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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: SSG Snuggle Bunny on August 22, 2013, 05:57:48 PM
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Freddie Stubbs (28,703 posts)
Army: We won't provide transgender Manning with hormone treatment or sex reassignment surgery
Source: The Miami Herald
Convicted WikiLeaks soldier Bradley Manning confirmed today that she is transgender and asked to be referred to as Chelsea and with female pronouns.
Mannings' lawyer, David Coombs told the Today show that he hoped officials at the military prison in Fort Leavenworth, Kan., will accommodate Manning's request for hormone treatment, but the Army said it doesn't provide it or sex-reassignment surgery.
Here is the complete military statement:
We are aware that counsel representing the soldier convicted under the name Bradley Manning conveys that his client now openly identifies as female.
Read more: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/gaysouthflorida/2013/08/army-we-wont-provide-transgender-manning-with-hormone-treatment-or-sex-reassignment-surgery.html
jessie04 (821 posts)
1. That is disgusting Transphobic discrimination at its worst.
Would the term "drama queen" be inappropriate?
Bully Taw (173 posts)
13. he can do whatever he wants in prison....
as long as he, himself, pays for it.
JustAnotherGen (7,287 posts)
6. So does the US Military
Provide these services to ALL soldiers? If they do - and Manning is under their jurisdiction- it's a fair request. If they don't - then I don't think Manning has a leg to stand on with this request.
It took how many years for us to get rid of DADT? Not being snarky - but this fight could go on for the next 35 years . . .
frazzled (9,642 posts)
10. The Army does not permit transgendered individuals to serve at all
The Palm Center, a California-based research institute that examined issues associated with the military’s “don’t ask, don’t tell†policy for more than a decade, received a $1.35 million grant to study transgender service in the American military, according to a report from BuzzFeed.
Under current military policy, transgender individuals are barred from serving because “gender dysphoria†— a medical and psychological term used to describe the experiences of transgender and gender nonconforming individuals, and which is not marked as a disorder in the DSM-V — is classified by the military as a mental illness. Gender-affirming surgeries can also medically disqualify prospective troops, according to Pentagon regulations.
Because military policy bars transgender troops, it is currently unknown how many may be serving while remaining in the closet.
http://www.salon.com/2013/07/31/research_institute_receives_1_35_million_to_examine_transgender_service_in_u_s_military/
My question is this: why did Manning's lawyers not help to secure hormonal or other treatments during the past three years, since the arrest? I presume it is because they did not want to have Manning go to trial in some kind of transition state. If it's a humane issue now, why wasn't it then? There's a bit of grandstanding to this, on the part of the attorneys, who have now said they will do "anything" to secure treatment.
Ilsa (32,726 posts)
8. I heard an AP report and the commentary afterwards
Indicated that the Army must provide Chelsea Manning with medical care, and that includes transgender hormone therapy. The doctors will testify that it is part of her medical care.
JI7 (41,617 posts)
12. what if others give or raise money for this ? would they allow her to get the surgery
and whatever other things she will need ?
kestrel91316 (46,938 posts)
14. I'm not sure where Manning got the idea that s/he would be entitled to such while in prison.
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S/he can wait. This is not a medical condition that requires treatment.
They SHOULD provide her/him with counseling in prison to help her/him cope, and if s/he needs meds to prevent psychological distress, that too.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014573042
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The homobrigade will go ape shut.
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Well this should keep the gay mafia focused on something other than molesting children for a moment or two.
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The homobrigade will go ape shut.
Nads? Is that you?
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I wonder if 'gender reassignment surgery' will be covered under Obamacare ? Somehow, I doubt it.
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Ilsa (32,726 posts)
8. I heard an AP report and the commentary afterwards
Indicated that the Army must provide Chelsea Manning with medical care, and that includes transgender hormone therapy. The doctors will testify that it is part of her medical care.
It ain't a her, dipshit. It's a him. I can call a VW bug a Cadillac all day long, but it doesn't change the fact that it's a VW bug. I can even take the VW bug to a body shop and have them do all sorts of stuff in an attempt to make it look like a Cadillac, but in the end it's still just a VW bug.
Like me go ahead and clue you in on several other things...
1) BamBam isn't a genius. Much like cow dung, he's just smarter than you.
2) Cuba isn't a paradise.
3) UGP is neither a cat nor a male.
4) Nads is neither trained nor a historian nor a journalist.
5) DU isn't a think tank UNLESS 'think' is just a misspelling of 'stink'.
6) Just because you like a perversion doesn't make it normal.
7) I despise all of you leeching, ignorant bastards.
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Ilsa (32,726 posts)
8. I heard an AP report and the commentary afterwards
Indicated that the Army must provide Chelsea Manning with medical care, and that includes transgender hormone therapy. The doctors will testify that it is part of her medical care.
Ummm.... no. The purpose of Army Medicine is "To Conserve Fighting Strength", and USDB convicts are entitled to essential medical care only.
See AR 40-501, paragraph 3-35 (Medical Standards for Retention):
3–35. Personality, psychosexual conditions, transsexual, gender identity, exhibitionism,
transvestism, voyeurism, other paraphilias, or factitious disorders; disorders of impulse control not
elsewhere classified
a. A history of, or current manifestations of, personality disorders, disorders of impulse control not elsewhere
classified, transvestism, voyeurism, other paraphilias, or factitious disorders, psychosexual conditions, transsexual,
gender identity disorder to include major abnormalities or defects of the genitalia such as change of sex or a current
attempt to change sex, hermaphroditism, pseudohermaphroditism, or pure gonadal dysgenesis or dysfunctional residuals
from surgical correction of these conditions render an individual administratively unfit.
b. These conditions render an individual administratively unfit rather than unfit because of physical illness or
medical disability. These conditions will be dealt with through administrative channels, including AR 135–175, AR
135–178, AR 635–200, or AR 600–8–24.
The Army will not pay for hormones or plastic surgery designed to render a Soldier unfit for continued service - including Soldiers confined at USDB.
Manning's queer attorney should have done his homework.
I wish I didn't know this. Plonk, plonk.
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He lied on his initial enlistment questioner. Just 1 more charge.
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I'd have no problem with his cell mate performing a dickectomy with a rust old hacksaw blade. A prison Bobbit so to speak.
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Transphobic discrimination at its worst
Yep, of all the episodes of transphobical meditation this is the worst I can remember.
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Have no idea what the military protocol is but a 7.62 or 5.56 procedure will fix it perfectly. :)
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Prison is about punishment, not indulging delusions
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Well, I'll volunteer to slice "her" balls off.
Cindie
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I wonder if 'gender reassignment surgery' will be covered under Obamacare ? Somehow, I doubt it.
That's so transphobic of you...didn't you see in the quotes, chopping his bits off is now called 'gender affirming surgery'?
Could somebody pass the sick-bag please.
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It ain't a her, dipshit. It's a him. I can call a VW bug a Cadillac all day long, but it doesn't change the fact that it's a VW bug. I can even take the VW bug to a body shop and have them do all sorts of stuff in an attempt to make it look like a Cadillac, but in the end it's still just a VW bug.
Like me go ahead and clue you in on several other things...
1) BamBam isn't a genius. Much like cow dung, he's just smarter than you.
2) Cuba isn't a paradise.
3) UGP is neither a cat nor a male.
4) Nads is neither trained nor a historian nor a journalist.
5) DU isn't a think tank UNLESS 'think' is just a misspelling of 'stink'.
6) Just because you like a perversion doesn't make it normal.
7) I despise all of you leeching, ignorant bastards.
:hi5: :hi5: :hi5:
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Bully Taw (173 posts)
13. he can do whatever he wants in prison....
as long as he, himself, pays for it.
:rotf: No he can't. He's in prison! DUmbass.
We now see what their shiny object of the day is.
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:rotf: No he can't. He's in prison! DUmbass.
We now see what their shiny object of the day is.
Bubba's blue glossy.....also called a blue vein thobber is some places.
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Bully Taw (173 posts)
13. he can do whatever he wants in prison....
as long as he, himself, pays for it.
It's Ft. Leavenworth, not Cook County, retard. Where do these academic titans come up with this shit......
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These people should be locked up in a mental institution.
JI7 (41,617 posts)
12. what if others give or raise money for this ? would they allow her to get the surgery
IT'S NOT A HER! IT'S A HE!!!!!
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The little freak can shit in one hand and get hormonal injections in the other and see which one gets full first.
:censored:
It ain't gonna happen on the government dime, and even if the freak community pays for it, I don't see either the USDB being on board to transport a long-term prisoner off-site for it, or a freak-doctor being willing and able to come into the prison for the non-surgical stuff.
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The primitives are really going nutso on whether to refer to the little freak as a he or a she. If they had any ability to think at all, they'd just default to using the term "Manning" and drop all references to either sex. But no one over there has the ability to think that far ahead.
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Cutting off a man's sex organ and then creating a hole in his pelvic region in order to receive other men's erect penises in order to simulate the normal sex act is not day surgery. I cannot imagine a prison going to so much trouble for a perfectly healthy inmate.
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Cutting off a man's sex organ and then creating a hole in his pelvic region in order to receive other men's erect penises in order to simulate the normal sex act is not day surgery. I cannot imagine a prison going to so much trouble for a perfectly healthy inmate.
A h^ FROM ME, They did it to themselves, being homosexual or transgendered is no longer a physical or mental disorder, it is now considered as a natural state of being.
Why pay for a perfectally healthy person that has no mental or health issues to get, drugs or surgery to turn them into something they are not.
So they believe they are a different sex, or believe they are a Raccoon, Law and science now says this not a mental or physical problem. So why should we allow the criminals to demand surgery that is not life saving, just because one of them decides it is a good idea to make them happy to have a transplanted boob in their forehead. ?
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To Big Dog...
Plonk Plonk Plonk went the trolley...
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0odXnKhKBxQ[/youtube]
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The primitives are really going nutso on whether to refer to the little freak as a he or a she. If they had any ability to think at all, they'd just default to using the term "Manning" and drop all references to either sex. But no one over there has the ability to think that far ahead.
Finally...
zipplewrath
47. Actually there's another point of view
When discussing the actions of the member of the military that committted the acts, one refers to them by their "military" name. When discussing the person currently pursuing gender modification, they use the current name. One can avoid it all by merely saying "Manning", or Cpl. Manning.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3520409
The primitive zipplewrath obviously reads CC.
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The little freak can shit in one hand and get hormonal injections in the other and see which one gets full first.
:censored:
It ain't gonna happen on the government dime, and even if the freak community pays for it, I don't see either the USDB being on board to transport a long-term prisoner off-site for it, or a freak-doctor being willing and able to come into the prison for the non-surgical stuff.
Reality check for lurking DUmmies:
1. He can't get the hormone injections and surgical mutilation he wants at Munson Army Health Center, Ft Leavenworth KS.
2. He can't get the hormone injections and surgical mutilation he wants at St. John Hospital, Leavenworth KS.
3. He can't get the hormone injections and surgical mutilation he wants at St. Luke's Northland (formerly Cushing Hospital), Leavenworth KS.
4. He can't get the hormone injections and surgical mutilation he wants at Dwight D. Eisenhower VA Medical Center, Leavenworth KS.
5. The Army will not transfer him to another prison to receive elective surgery, even if it is paid for with private funds.
6. The Army will not transport him back and forth to a civilian facility which would perform the elective surgery he wants.
If Obama's sequester had not done so much damage to the Army, poor Private Chelsea Cupcake would be able to realize his dream to squat when he pees. That thought should make you hate King Hussein, lurking DUmmies.
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If Obama's sequester had not done so much damage to the Army, poor Private Chelsea Cupcake would be able to realize his dream to squat when he pees. That thought should make you hate King Hussein, lurking DUmmies.
They'll just do what they always do and blame the Rethugs for it.
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Bradley now is Chelsea lately.
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Reality check for lurking DUmmies:
1. He can't get the hormone injections and surgical mutilation he wants at Munson Army Health Center, Ft Leavenworth KS.
2. He can't get the hormone injections and surgical mutilation he wants at St. John Hospital, Leavenworth KS.
3. He can't get the hormone injections and surgical mutilation he wants at St. Luke's Northland (formerly Cushing Hospital), Leavenworth KS.
4. He can't get the hormone injections and surgical mutilation he wants at Dwight D. Eisenhower VA Medical Center, Leavenworth KS.
5. The Army will not transfer him to another prison to receive elective surgery, even if it is paid for with private funds.
6. The Army will not transport him back and forth to a civilian facility which would perform the elective surgery he wants.
If Obama's sequester had not done so much damage to the Army, poor Private Chelsea Cupcake would be able to realize his dream to squat when he pees. That thought should make you hate King Hussein, lurking DUmmies.
You're forgetting that this is the new jug-eared military, where homo troopers can get special leave to travel to a state where queer marriages can be performed.
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Reality check for lurking DUmmies: . . .
If Obama's sequester had not done so much damage to the Army, poor Private Chelsea Cupcake would be able to realize his dream to squat when he pees. That thought should make you hate King Hussein, lurking DUmmies.
You nailed it there. H5 given.
ETA: He never made it to CPL, DUmb****s. He'll forever be known as a PVT.