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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Freeper on August 18, 2013, 01:17:20 PM
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Star Member cali (85,306 posts)
Beyond its deplorable beliefs and goals, why do so many Egyptians support the MB
and who are those supporters? Well, a lot of them are poor and yes uneducated. In other words, the downtrodden. I've seen a lot of people claiming that the people of Egypt support the military coup. It's true that a lot do; maybe the majority, but a good chunk of the population supports the MB. Short of massacring thousands and imprisoning tens of thousands more, the Islamists and supporters of the MB aren't going away. Will al-Sissi go that far? Who knows, but it if he feels he has enough support, it wouldn't shock me.
I wouldn't deny for a second that the beliefs and goals of the MB are despicable, but people support them for reasons extending beyond those beliefs or goals. They support them because for a long time the MB has been the most effective charitable organization in a nation with a lot of poor people. The MB runs charitable hospitals, schools and provides support for the poor.
In Egypt, Muslim Brotherhood’s charitable works may drive political support
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2011-04-08/world/35262222_1_freedom-and-justice-party-muslim-brotherhood-independents
Between Piety and Politics: Social Services and the Muslim Brotherhood
Beyond its political wing, the Muslim Brotherhood has garnered support among Egypt's population for its decades of experience providing social services to the poor. In 2009, as a graduate student, Nadine Farag researched public health in Cairo's slums -- here's her first-hand account of what she saw.
By Nadine Farag
In Ezbet-el-Haggana, a slum on the outskirts of Cairo, residents struggle daily to survive. Staggering unemployment, inflated food prices and problems securing housing make life here both difficult and uncertain.
I was in Haggana in the summer of 2009, conducting research on how social issues, such as unemployment and gender inequality, impact public health in slums. In conversations with residents, I quickly learned that their biggest problem was the inadequacy of basic social services. Many homes lack running water, and power shortages occur frequently during the night. There is no police presence to protect residents and they are chronically fearful for the safety of their families, especially at night. One man told me, "The youth know that there are no repercussions for what they do." The roads are unpaved and lined with trash, although residents pay a monthly sum to the local government authority for their garbage to be collected. There is only one government medical clinic in the area, with a single doctor. One young mother complained that she waited two hours for the government doctor to see her sick baby, but he left the clinic before seeing the child. "Doctors don't have hearts," she said.
The outlook of the residents was infused with a sense of hopelessness. They told me that the government doesn't care about them because they are poor, and they voiced their deepest fears that life will never get better for them as a result. But while the former Mubarak government seemed to have forgotten these people, Islamic organizations around Egypt -- particularly the Muslim Brotherhood -- have not.
Social service provision has been a core activity for the Muslim Brotherhood since the early 1930s, predating the group's political mobilization. The Brotherhood has long viewed social outreach as a way to demonstrate its ideological commitment to alleviating poverty, reducing inequality and increasing social responsibility.
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http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/revolution-in-cairo/inside-muslim-brotherhood/piety-and-politics.html
Profile: Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12313405
21 May 2013 – Poverty and food insecurity in Egypt have risen significantly over the last three years, according to a joint reports released today by the United Nations food agency and partners.
An estimated 13.7 million Egyptians or 17 per cent of the population suffered from food insecurity in 2011, compared to 14 per cent in 2009, according to the report by UN World Food Programme (WFP) and the Egyptian Central Agency for Public Mobilization and Statistics (CAPMAS).
“This increase in food insecurity, malnutrition and poverty rates has not happened overnight, during this year or even during the past year,†said WFP Egypt Representative and Country Director GianPietro Bordignon.
“People’s inability to have adequate and nutritious food is largely attributed to rising poverty rates and a succession of crises from 2005 - including the avian influenza epidemic in 2006, the food, fuel and financial crises of 2007–09 and a challenging macroeconomic context in recent years.â€
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http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=44961#.UhDNn6yBp5U
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023481414
Sounds like how 0bama got a second term, people want what they perceive as freebies.
Star Member arely staircase (7,191 posts)
1. a lot of fundies in Egypt
fundies suppor fundies. keeping the women folk in their place is popular in those circles, even among a lot of uneducated women.
Usually fundy is what they call Christians, so is this DUmpmonkey really blaming Christians? Or is he actually daring to criticize the religion of pieces?
Star Member msongs (31,631 posts)
9. gee maybe out of control heterosexual baby making causes a lot of these problems nt
Msongs is a heterophobe.
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I saw this earlier, and thought, "man, the bitter old Vermontese cali primitive has got to get out more."
She's been betraying an abysmal ignorance of people outside of New England, a lack of knowledge and insight a college-educated woman shouldn't have.
She's always trying to draw parallels between people and philosphies as they generally are in the western world, with people and philosophies of the Islamic word.
cali, dear, there are no parallels; they don't think like we do, even in the general senses.
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The thing that flies yet again over the Primitives pointy heads is that the majority of Egyptians DO NOT support the MoBros.
Hence the reason the Military stepped in and removed the cancer that was Morsi.
The MoBros are however more vocal and violent and that is what you're seeing on TV.
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Sun Aug 18, 2013, 09:51 AM
cali (85,324 posts)
Beyond its deplorable beliefs and goals, why do so many Egyptians support the MB
That is an easy one.
Nearly all Egyptians are muzzies.
All muzzies, without exception, are vicious, primitive savages.
By the way, when I was a kid, we were taught about "Moslems". They were primitive savages, but not especially dangerous. In fact, they were comically stupid and incompetent whenever they would try to fight the Israelis or the red-dot Indians.
The word "muslim" was reserved for crazies like Malcolm X, the black muslims.
Now they're all "muslim". When did that change happen? Why?
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I saw this earlier, and thought, "man, the bitter old Vermontese cali primitive has got to get out more."
She's been betraying an abysmal ignorance of people outside of New England, a lack of knowledge and insight a college-educated woman shouldn't have.
She's always trying to draw parallels between people and philosphies as they generally are in the western world, with people and philosophies of the Islamic word.
cali, dear, there are no parallels; they don't think like we do, even in the general senses.
They can't imagine that anyone could possibly think differently than they do. In fact it scares them to death when someone does. Just look at all the energy spent on trying to get Rush off the air.
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Now they're all "muslim". When did that change happen? Why?
I'd say sometime in 2001 . . . even though the conditions were actually right for the change to take place in 1993.
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SO, a DUmmie went to Egypt, stayed awhile and couldn't see the problems with Islam(forest) for all the Muslims(trees).
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I saw this earlier, and thought, "man, the bitter old Vermontese cali primitive has got to get out more."
She's been betraying an abysmal ignorance of people outside of New England, a lack of knowledge and insight a college-educated woman shouldn't have.
She's always trying to draw parallels between people and philosphies as they generally are in the western world, with people and philosophies of the Islamic word.
cali, dear, there are no parallels; they don't think like we do, even in the general senses.
Not just "No", but, "Hell no".
That one can't even be trusted with adults.
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Not just "No", but, "Hell no".
That one can't even be trusted with adults.
The problem with the primitives is that they think there's like-minded primitives all over the world.
The blunt fact is, outside of North America and western Europe, and fringe places such as Japan and Australia, there aren't.
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In conversations with residents, I quickly learned that their biggest problem was the inadequacy of basic social services. Many homes lack running water, and power shortages occur frequently during the night. There is no police presence to protect residents and they are chronically fearful for the safety of their families, especially at night. One man told me, "The youth know that there are no repercussions for what they do." The roads are unpaved and lined with trash, although residents pay a monthly sum to the local government authority for their garbage to be collected. There is only one government medical clinic in the area, with a single doctor. One young mother complained that she waited two hours for the government doctor to see her sick baby, but he left the clinic before seeing the child. "Doctors don't have hearts," she said.
I thought this was about the ME, not Detroit...
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...the Islamists and supporters of the MB aren't going away
This wasn't an issue under Mubarak.
This is exactly the issue we warned of when Obama was running around running his mouth about his BS "Arab Spring" fantasy.
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The thing that flies yet again over the Primitives pointy heads is that the majority of Egyptians DO NOT support the MoBros.
Hence the reason the Military stepped in and removed the cancer that was Morsi.
The MoBros are however more vocal and violent and that is what you're seeing on TV.
Exactly.
What the news is reporting does not reflect the reality on the ground.
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What the news is reporting does not reflect the reality on the ground.
And it won't be. It wasn't during that fake "Arab Spring" crap two years ago either.
What the media will continue to do is carry the water for this Administration to provide them some cover for the fact they totally screwed the pooch and supported the absolutely worst possible choice for Egypt.
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First time he has posted in several months....Egyptian muslim ....long read but you may find it interesting.
http://www.sandmonkey.org/
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This wasn't an issue under Mubarak.
This is exactly the issue we warned of when Obama was running around running his mouth about his BS "Arab Spring" fantasy.
That is true. Mubarak, Saddam, Assad, and Khadafi may have had a few rough edges, but they kept the craziest of the muzzies tamped down, at least domestically, which had to hamper their international terror activity. (Khadafi was one of the crazies until Reagan dropped a bomb on his tent.)
Now with support from our jug-eared Kenyan, the wildest muzzie crazies are being put in charge. Killing a few headliners with drones doesn't change the drift of that.
In Egypt, if the army is forced to hold elections, the muzzie brotherhood will win again, because all muzzie populations are vicious savages through and through. In middle east countries, military dictatorships are civilization's best hope.
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Uhhh, Cali, the MB IS ISLAM. :thatsright: