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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: franksolich on July 31, 2013, 06:54:00 PM
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023380776
Oh my.
The Straight Story (43,708 posts) Wed Jul 31, 2013, 02:52 PM
Latest cigarette tax increase (MA) from 2.51 to 3.51 pack, about $10/pack now
As the Commonwealth of Massachusetts began collecting an additional dollar from cigarette smokers via a tax increase Wednesday, the reaction on the streets of Springfield was mixed.
To David Glantz, owner of Buckeye Bros. Smoke Shop on Main Street in the South End, the increase -- from $2.51 to $3.51 in tax per pack -- represents a potential threat to his sales. Glantz said that as name-brand cigarettes like Marlboros and Newports rise to about $10 a pack, he expects to take a financial hit.
"If they were raising the taxes in all states at the same time, it would be one thing. But so many people will just travel to New Hampshire where the taxes are less and stock up rather than buying locally, I'll probably lose some business," Glantz said. "Plus, you have people going to Westover (Air Reserve Base) and having someone with a base pass buy them there to avoid the state taxes. It just isn't fair for stores like mine."
Springfield resident Jon Athan, 27, says he's smoked for about six years and he feels the tax increase is exploiting people with addictions.
http://www.masslive.com/politics/index.ssf/2013/07/western_massachusetts_resident.html
Now if we would just raise the gas tax that much (killing the earth with fossil fuels), fast food (a desire not a need), alcohol (bad for health, contributes to crime), soda and anything other than tap water (bad for you, uses fossil fuels to make and transport), etc we would be not only consistent but we would all be happier.
HiPointDem (20,315 posts) Wed Jul 31, 2013, 03:38 PM
1. Governments get $33 billion+ a year from taxing smokers. Add that to higher insurance premiums.
Which are going to get even higher under obamacare.
Yeah, those smokers are leeching off the 'healthy' people, sure they are.
bunnies (11,078 posts) Wed Jul 31, 2013, 03:47 PM
2. Well... Now when they come up here for booze...
they can just get butts too. Im sure all the cigarette stores on the MA/NH border are thrilled to hear this.
srican69 (836 posts) Wed Jul 31, 2013, 04:08 PM
3. I used to work in the merchant marine
the bond store sold us cartons of cigarettes for about 8 or 9 dollars .,, i've never smoked so I don't know how many packs were in each - but there were quite a few ..
we also could buy 1 Litre Black Label Whisky for $13 and a 24 beer case ( Henieken and like) for about 6 bucks ..
those were the days
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I can't wait until states start taxing marijuana at the same level as cigarettes. :popcorn:
:stoner: :stoner: :stoner: :stoner: :stoner:
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Illinois cigarette taxes are high enough that it is cheaper to drive to Missouri and buy several cartons, that is even with the high price of gas.
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Illinois cigarette taxes are high enough that it is cheaper to drive to Missouri and buy several cartons, that is even with the high price of gas.
I wonder how true that is, nationally.
Around here, in northeastern Nebraska, I'll bet the majority of cigarette sales are to people from South Dakota, Minnesota, and Iowa. Our cigarette taxes aren't low, but they seem to be a Hell of a lot lower than in these neighboring states.
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I wonder how true that is, nationally.
Around here, in northeastern Nebraska, I'll bet the majority of cigarette sales are to people from South Dakota, Minnesota, and Iowa. Our cigarette taxes aren't low, but they seem to be a Hell of a lot lower than in these neighboring states.
Places like Chicago and NYC that also have higher taxes than the states have large black markets for cigarettes. Illinois saw less of an increase in tax revenues than they thought they would.
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srican69 (836 posts) Wed Jul 31, 2013, 04:08 PM
3. I used to work in the merchant marine
the bond store sold us cartons of cigarettes for about 8 or 9 dollars .,, i've never smoked so I don't know how many packs were in each - but there were quite a few ..
we also could buy 1 Litre Black Label Whisky for $13 and a 24 beer case ( Henieken and like) for about 6 bucks ..
those were the days
Yeah, welcome to 1996, dumbass. Merchant Marine? Only in your ghey fantasies.
And for the record, tax-free "at-sea" smokes were $3 a carton, a bottle of Jack was $8, and a case of beer was $4. That was around 1987.
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They raised the taxes so much on cigs here it made me quit smoking. 4 years free!
This is just another way the government tells you what you can do. They don't want you to smoke so they raise taxes on it to stop you.
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They raised the taxes so much on cigs here it made me quit smoking. 4 years free!
This is just another way the government tells you what you can do. They don't want you to smoke so they raise taxes on it to stop you.
They don't want successful businesses so they raise taxes on them.
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Funny how DUmmies recognize raising taxes will force people to look for ways of not paying said tax.
Can they not understand how this works on a larger scale?
Never mind.
KC
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It's at that point where we're gonna see black market cigarettes start making the rounds and the tax revenues collapse between that and people quitting outright. In two years, the politicians will be shocked, shocked I say, at the lack of tax revenue.
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Funny how DUmmies recognize raising taxes will force people to look for ways of not paying said tax.
Can they not understand how this works on a larger scale?
[snip]
Uhhh, potato? [/DUmmy] :confused:
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If they could only figure out a way to tax conservatism.
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If they could only figure out a way to tax conservatism.
Other than the fact that they're DUmbasses, why couldn't they? I mean, Spain figured out how to tax sunlght (http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/07/spain-privatizes-sun-light-2724502.html?utm_campaign&utm_term=http%3A%2F%2Fb4in.info%2FsDuu&utm_source=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tumblr.com%2Fdashboard&utm_content=awesm-publisher&utm_medium=tumblr-link), so why wouldn't the goon squad slap a tax on counterrevolutionary thought crimes and the like?
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They tax menthol cigarettes even more.
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Illinois cigarette taxes are high enough that it is cheaper to drive to Missouri and buy several cartons, that is even with the high price of gas.
Much, much cheaper. My ride to Paducah is only 25 minutes and I save over $2.50/pk on Generics. Our prices in So. Ill are about half that of crook county, anyway.
Oh, for the days of the $4.00 cartons (with coupon) of Dorals at Scott AFB.
Quote from: Texacon on Today at 07:24:38 pm
Funny how DUmmies recognize raising taxes will force people to look for ways of not paying said tax.
Can they not understand how this works on a larger scale?
[snip]
As usual, they instantly shed the mask and go full fascist demanding countrywide tyranny so that their vaginal soreness eases, or something.
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They raised the taxes so much on cigs here it made me quit smoking. 4 years free!
This is just another way the government tells you what you can do. They don't want you to smoke so they raise taxes on it to stop you.
That would explain why government doesn't want us to drive cars, have houses with lights and heat, start and run businesses, or have health care.
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If they could only figure out a way to tax conservatism.
BS for planting that idea between their two brain cells.
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Funny how DUmmies recognize raising taxes will force people to look for ways of not paying said tax.
Can they not understand how this works on a larger scale?
:racist:
or something
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Indian Reservations. Take a road trip.
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Indian Reservations. Take a road trip.
My supervisor will go with me on certain field visits--the ones that are near Indian reservations. He buys a couple of cartons of cigs at a time.
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Yet the tobacco farmers still receive subsidies.
"We can sell the small tabletop machines to customers so they can roll them at home," Kelley said. "The Obama administration keeps talking about how they're not putting new taxes on people. But this is another tax on the poorest people."
http://www.goerie.com/article/20120707/NEWS02/307069913/New-law-angers-roll-your-own-cigarette-shops-customers
We had 3 RYO (roll your own) cig shops in my town, $22 bucks a carton for most. They used expensive pneumatic machines that could control the tightness of the cigarettes and custom make cigarettes to how a person liked them to burn, etc. They had to close. The company up North somewhere that made the machines was doing really well, that company had to quit making the machines....it was in a Midwestern state.
Now I see we have one store that has reopened in my town. I don't know if you still let you use their machine or if they just sell supplies, but they have the sign out front for $22 a carton plus sales tax.
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Yet the tobacco farmers still receive subsidies.
http://www.goerie.com/article/20120707/NEWS02/307069913/New-law-angers-roll-your-own-cigarette-shops-customers
We had 3 RYO (roll your own) cig shops in my town, $22 bucks a carton for most. They used expensive pneumatic machines that could control the tightness of the cigarettes and custom make cigarettes to how a person liked them to burn, etc. They had to close. The company up North somewhere that made the machines was doing really well, that company had to quit making the machines....it was in a Midwestern state.
Now I see we have one store that has reopened in my town. I don't know if you still let you use their machine or if they just sell supplies, but they have the sign out front for $22 a carton plus sales tax.
They shut the one in my town down for awhile.....they're back open but can no longer roll them for you....you have buy supplies and do it at home yourself.
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Now if we would just raise the gas tax that much (killing the earth with fossil fuels), fast food (a desire not a need), alcohol (bad for health, contributes to crime), soda and anything other than tap water (bad for you, uses fossil fuels to make and transport), etc we would be not only consistent but we would all be happier
Please, go kill yourself. :thatsright:
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Please, go kill yourself. :thatsright:
We would be happier! :cheersmate:
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They shut the one in my town down for awhile.....they're back open but can no longer roll them for you....you have buy supplies and do it at home yourself.
That sucks.
The shops spent 30k on those machines and a lot of the RYO smoke shops had two or three machines as their business took off.
More manufacturing jobs lost in the United States. I could not find the article about the guy that was forced out of business by the law, his company was quickly expanding production to keep up with the demand for the machines. Loose tobacco already took about a huge increase in tax a few years ago under Obama, it's not like the tobacco was not being taxed, just not enough!
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This sounds suspiciously like a 'regressive tax' to me - wheres the outrage ?
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Next they will be trying to tax the new e-cigarettes.
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The state of WV did that a while back when Nazi Joe Manchin was gov. He was a notorius anti-tobacco nazi. Now WV is a small state so everyone went to Kentucky and Virginia and bought them and the expected revenue never came to pass. To make matters worse when everyone made their cig runs, they would fill up the gas tank too. The border stores screamed bloody murder to no avail. I used to do it myself. It took me 2 gals of gas to get to Kentucky and back and I saved a lot... made sure I was running on empty to fill up the tank. I stopped when Kentucky raised their cig taxes to match WV.
Not a legislature session goes by that some fool idiot proposes raising the tax. So far, it never hasn't come to pass cause the current gov has said he will veto any bill raising taxes of any kind. Now that we got obozocare coming, and the war on coal draining revenues, I expect it to pass this year to fund the medicaid expansion.
When that happens, I will do what I did last time as I am sure everyone else will.
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The state of WV did that a while back when Nazi Joe Manchin was gov. He was a notorius anti-tobacco nazi. Now WV is a small state so everyone went to Kentucky and Virginia and bought them and the expected revenue never came to pass. To make matters worse when everyone made their cig runs, they would fill up the gas tank too. The border stores screamed bloody murder to no avail.
Same thing happened in Tennessee. The state put AFT agents on the border to pull people over and hand out fines.
The agents on patrol duty probably cost the state more than they made in "revenue", but Democrats are immune to those kinds of lessons.
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Same thing happened in Tennessee. The state put AFT agents on the border to pull people over and hand out fines.
The agents on patrol duty probably cost the state more than they made in "revenue", but Democrats are immune to those kinds of lessons.
Don't surprise me, Chris. Way I understand it is you can have up to 4 cartons. I think that may be WV law though. We just went down I-64 and there was really no way they could stop traffic for that. If that happened then we was gonna take the back roads. Too many for them to watch them all... especially the dirt ones. :cheersmate: :cheersmate:
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I think the limit here is 3, but I don't smoke.
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Same thing happened in Tennessee. The state put AFT agents on the border to pull people over and hand out fines.
The agents on patrol duty probably cost the state more than they made in "revenue", but Democrats are immune to those kinds of lessons.
Wow. When I was younger every vacation resulted in bringing home cigarettes for my grandfather from the Southern states, as well as a few fireworks and Coors beer.
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Before my wife quit smooking (2005) I could get her a carton for around $18-20. That price has since doubled.
Around here, truck stops sell cartons for around $35-50, depending on your brand of choice. You can spot the tourists from up north because they practically empty the shelves. I've actually seen someone from NY throwing suitcases into the dumpster to make room in their car for the cigs they bought!
When I was driving for a delivery company, several of us drivers (myself included) were approached to haul 1,000+ carton loads from NC to WV for a nice chunk on change (I'm talking 3 loads would have doubled my yearly income!) Nobody took the offer, mainly because we didn't own our trucks, but it was DAMNED tempting!
Governments love them some cigs, considering everything over 30 cents/pack is taxes.
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Before my wife quit smooking (2005) I could get her a carton for around $18-20. That price has since doubled.
Around here, truck stops sell cartons for around $35-50, depending on your brand of choice. You can spot the tourists from up north because they practically empty the shelves. I've actually seen someone from NY throwing suitcases into the dumpster to make room in their car for the cigs they bought!
When I was driving for a delivery company, several of us drivers (myself included) were approached to haul 1,000+ carton loads from NC to WV for a nice chunk on change (I'm talking 3 loads would have doubled my yearly income!) Nobody took the offer, mainly because we didn't own our trucks, but it was DAMNED tempting!
Governments love them some cigs, considering everything over 30 cents/pack is taxes.
A couple of or three years back, there was a group of Muslims in N.C. buying cigarettes in N.C. and selling them further north to finance "Jihad". You may have saved yourself a lot of trouble turning down the easy money.
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A couple of or three years back, there was a group of Muslims in N.C. buying cigarettes in N.C. and selling them further north to finance "Jihad". You may have saved yourself a lot of trouble turning down the easy money.
Yep. But all that occurred pre-2000.
Imagine what I could make today...
Bootleg cigs and moonshine. :hyper: Boggles the mind...
I'd be like Santa Clause, except I'd have to work 2-3 days a year, vs. just one. :rotf:
And I'd still be working 2-3 days more than the DUmmies would! :lmao:
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Yep. But all that occurred pre-2000.
Imagine what I could make today...
Bootleg cigs and moonshine. :hyper: Boggles the mind...
I'd be like Santa Clause, except I'd have to work 2-3 days a year, vs. just one. :rotf:
And I'd still be working 2-3 days more than the DUmmies would! :lmao:
Some form of lesser taxed cigarettes going north to higher taxed blue states as been going on since the 1950's I know. We sold packs for 19 to 23 cents in 1957....cartons for $1.65 to $1.85....and truckers would load up when they headed up north.
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Before my wife quit smooking (2005) I could get her a carton for around $18-20. That price has since doubled.
Around here, truck stops sell cartons for around $35-50, depending on your brand of choice. You can spot the tourists from up north because they practically empty the shelves. I've actually seen someone from NY throwing suitcases into the dumpster to make room in their car for the cigs they bought!
When I was driving for a delivery company, several of us drivers (myself included) were approached to haul 1,000+ carton loads from NC to WV for a nice chunk on change (I'm talking 3 loads would have doubled my yearly income!) Nobody took the offer, mainly because we didn't own our trucks, but it was DAMNED tempting!
Governments love them some cigs, considering everything over 30 cents/pack is taxes.
I always remember billboard signs in North Carolina back in the late 70s advertising smokes (they were all major brands back then) for $2.19 a carton.
Huge numbers of semis were loading trailers with retail cigarettes in NC, and smuggling them into New York, where state taxes drove the price to nearly $10. It's illegal, of course, but it was a very organized criminal operation.
"60 Minutes" had an episode on it with the governor of New York complaining about no cooperation from North Carolina authorities, and the governor of North Carolina suggesting New York taxes must be too high.
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I always remember billboard signs in North Carolina back in the late 70s advertising smokes (they were all major brands back then) for $2.19 a carton.
Huge numbers of semis were loading trailers with retail cigarettes in NC, and smuggling them into New York, where state taxes drove the price to nearly $10. It's illegal, of course, but it was a very organized criminal operation.
"60 Minutes" had an episode on it with the governor of New York complaining about no cooperation from North Carolina authorities, and the governor of North Carolina suggesting New York taxes must be too high.
Cooperation is by definition a 2 way street, except if you are a lib. Then libs want everything their way, narcissism selfishness and all.
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So let me see if I have this straight.
Cigarettes and alcohol are legal. But at least in some jurisdictions, they are heavily taxed, so there is a profitable black market for cheap booze and cigarettes.
Libs want to legalize drugs because it will destroy the black market. But since they LUVS them some taxes, they will be expensive. So there will be an incentive for the black market to undercut the legal price.
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So let me see if I have this straight.
Cigarettes and alcohol are legal. But at least in some jurisdictions, they are heavily taxed, so there is a profitable black market for cheap booze and cigarettes.
Libs want to legalize drugs because it will destroy the black market. But since they LUVS them some taxes, they will be expensive. So there will be an incentive for the black market to undercut the legal price.
You got it.
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Same thing happened in Tennessee. The state put AFT agents on the border to pull people over and hand out fines.
The agents on patrol duty probably cost the state more than they made in "revenue", but Democrats are immune to those kinds of lessons.
I think they'd love to do that here in Massachusetts up on the New Hampshire border. Only problem being that most of the state legislature runs up there a couple times a month to stock up on booze and cigarettes and that could just get embarrassing.
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I think they'd love to do that here in Massachusetts up on the New Hampshire border. Only problem being that most of the state legislature runs up there a couple times a month to stock up on booze and cigarettes and that could just get embarrassing.
If only they were smart enough to take the family car that did not have Mass House/Senate official plates. The arrogance is unbelievable.