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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: franksolich on July 27, 2013, 08:03:39 PM
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023355195
Oh my.
It's a primitive discussion of the new passports, and the cousin butts in:
nadinbrzezinski (123,979 posts) Sat Jul 27, 2013, 04:56 PM
9. Having a passport is just common sense
I got to renew mine. Combined with my Mexican passports that will be like 16th travel document. My mom had the common sense to get my first when I was three and needed to travel for medical reasons.
Bay Boy (1,265 posts) Sat Jul 27, 2013, 05:00 PM
12. Huh?
you needed a passport to travel to Mexico for medical reasons?
nadinbrzezinski (123,979 posts) Sat Jul 27, 2013, 05:07 PM
19. Last time I checked Boston is not in Mexico
But hey, I said I needed one to travel for medical reasons. That implies outside of Mexico. Is this to hard to comprehend?
Oh and I forgot, you do need a passport to travel to Mexico these days.
tabbycat31 (5,208 posts) Sat Jul 27, 2013, 05:16 PM
25. If you can afford it, yes
People have been telling me for years that I should always have a valid passport.
I will get one when I know I will need it (I have no connections outside the country). If I need ID, I will use my drivers license.
There's no sense in me paying ~$100 for something that will get no use.
(I have a very old passport from when I was a child. I have not left the country since. I haven't traveled for leisure since 2005, and my travel for work is all domestic as I work in US politics).
nadinbrzezinski (123,979 posts) Sat Jul 27, 2013, 05:17 PM
28. Well, I need mine valid
Since I got family outside the US and have been challenged at elections by poll workers.
I will add, as a daughter of a holocaust survivor, that is also a compulsion.
tabbycat31 (5,208 posts) Sat Jul 27, 2013, 05:19 PM
30. If you have family outside the US that makes sense
As for voting, I'm a perennial absentee voter (I work on campaigns for a living and I'm never around to vote in person).
I also vote in a state without voter ID laws, but my drivers license should do the trick.
nadinbrzezinski (123,979 posts) Sat Jul 27, 2013, 05:23 PM
37. In 2004 I got challenged in Cali
Whipped it out, voted, and called the registrar. Saith poll worker has not worked my precinct ever since
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nadinbrzezinski (123,979 posts) Sat Jul 27, 2013, 05:08 PM
20. You must be one of those Americans
That have never ever travelled outside the US...I know, icky.
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nadinbrzezinski (123,979 posts) Sat Jul 27, 2013, 07:51 PM
72. I do, and it is n ugly archetype
Only the very liberal, rich, coastal elite...travels unlike real Americans.
uppityperson (75,953 posts) Sat Jul 27, 2013, 06:11 PM
62. Yup, it is SOOooooo extravagant to hop over the border in Canada, eh?
Did you know that to drive from Skagway, AK to Anchorage you need a passport as you go through Canada? And that is "extravagant"? Good grief. You are sounding like my stalker Frank.
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gNads, the international manatee of mystery, has a shoebox full of passports:
British West Florida
Bumbunga
North Dumpling Island
Outer Baldonia
Westarctica
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nadinbrzezinski (123,979 posts) Sat Jul 27, 2013, 05:17 PM
28. Well, I need mine valid
Since I got family outside the US and have been challenged at elections by poll workers.
I will add, as a daughter of a holocaust survivor, that is also a compulsion.
huh. Haven't seen that before...
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nadinbrzezinski (123,979 posts) Sat Jul 27, 2013, 04:56 PM
I got to renew mine. Combined with my Mexican passports that will be like 16th travel document. My mom had the common sense to get my first when I was three and needed to travel for medical reasons.
Her treatment was obviously unsuccessful.
But sixteen is a hell of a number of passports for someone still shy of fifty.
Either Crazy Miriam gives her fake passports for her undercover assignments, or she counts a plane ticket as a "travel document".
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16? That is impossible, and she is a lying full of shit. There are very few countries that allow a dual citizenship.
and why the hell, would you go to Mexico for medical reasons?? I am beginning to think she has what I have.. It might explain the hairloss, and slight obesity factor.
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Her treatment was obviously unsuccessful.
But sixteen is a hell of a number of passports for someone still shy of fifty.
Either Crazy Miriam gives her fake passports for her undercover assignments, or she counts a plane ticket as a "travel document".
- when one considers how old Nads must be to have such a rich resumé, living though 16 passports isn't surprising.
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huh. Haven't seen that before...
Obviously a "stretchy."
Her grandparents and father, then a young child, managed to get out of Poland circa 1938-1939, just before the second world war, and emigrated to Mexico.
Lately she's been alleging her father was a Polish partisan based in the forests, fighting against the Germans and rescued by the Red Army. That tale falls apart immediately, because the Poles were at the time about as anti-Semitic as the German socialists, and would've never tolerated a kid of Judaic descent among them. And the Red Army, upon entering Poland, would've either sent him to the gulag or killed him.
I suspect the cousin's original tale has more veracity.
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why the hell, would you go to Mexico for medical reasons??
Well, the nutcase claims her mexican family sent her to the U.S. as a child when she was first diagnosed with terminal condescension. The hair loss, obesity, and dwarfism were side effects of the treatment.
Many desperate Americans have gone to mexico for treatment at the countless quack clinics that operate there. Remember the miracle cancer drug laetrile? That's what drew actor Steve McQueen to mexico where, like every other patient in the quack clinics, he promptly died.
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16? That is impossible, and she is a lying full of shit. There are very few countries that allow a dual citizenship.
and why the hell, would you go to Mexico for medical reasons?? I am beginning to think she has what I have.. It might explain the hairloss, and slight obesity factor.
Before passports were required I know a lot of people that went to Mexico for medical and dental treatments. One lady had braces put on her teeth in Mexico at a considerable cost savings.
Now I don't hear about it as often other then one older gentleman that has plans on taking a vacation to Mexico to have a couple root canals done.
In Las Vegas often the Mexican doctors and dentists are caught practicing in motel rooms or in the back of grocery stores. They come up to care for those that are afraid of deportation or those without insurance. Sounds like a good way to catch an infection to me.
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Well, the nutcase claims her mexican family sent her to the U.S. as a child when she was first diagnosed with terminal condescension. The hair loss, obesity, and dwarfism were side effects of the treatment.
Good one! Awesome.
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tabbycat31 (5,208 posts) Sat Jul 27, 2013, 05:16 PM
25. If you can afford it, yes
People have been telling me for years that I should always have a valid passport.
I will get one when I know I will need it (I have no connections outside the country). If I need ID, I will use my drivers license.
There's no sense in me paying ~$100 for something that will get no use.
In the first place, it takes $150 and about 2-3+ weeks to get one, helluva long time to wait should the SHTF and you need to leave...TODAY!
I paid $500 for a pistol that I never INTEND to use (outside of target practice), BUT, I consider a passport and a gun the same way: It's better to have them and not need them, than to need them and not have them.
DUmmie tabbynumbers sure as hell was never involved with Scouting. :rotf:
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Obviously a "stretchy."
Her grandparents and father, then a young child, managed to get out of Poland circa 1938-1939, just before the second world war, and emigrated to Mexico.
Lately she's been alleging her father was a Polish partisan based in the forests, fighting against the Germans and rescued by the Red Army. That tale falls apart immediately, because the Poles were at the time about as anti-Semitic as the German socialists, and would've never tolerated a kid of Judaic descent among them. And the Red Army, upon entering Poland, would've either sent him to the gulag or killed him.
I suspect the cousin's original tale has more veracity.
I have not seen anything she has said to make me believe she is Jewish.
If I remember correctly the Germans also went after the Communists and Liberals. Her family could have been a member of quite a number of targeted groups. The Christian family that hid Ann Frank also ended up in the camps as did Nuns, Priests, and people with any grandparents of Jewish decent.
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<<<would be happy to be put on "ignore" by my good friend vesta, but alas as a moderator, can't be ignored by a member.
The cousin's admitted too many times to count, to being of Polish-Judaic derivation, vesta, dear; she's mentioned it a lot of times throughout the years, but perhaps you were otherwise preoccupied and not paying attention?
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<<<would be happy to be put on "ignore" by my good friend vesta, but alas as a moderator, can't be ignored by a member.
The cousin's admitted too many times to count, to being of Polish-Judaic derivation, vesta, dear; she's mentioned it a lot of times throughout the years, but perhaps you were otherwise preoccupied and not paying attention?
Frank, I cannot understand, anyone putting you on ignore..You are a very sweet person, and you like cats!!
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<<<would be happy to be put on "ignore" by my good friend vesta, but alas as a moderator, can't be ignored by a member.
The cousin's admitted too many times to count, to being of Polish-Judaic derivation, vesta, dear; she's mentioned it a lot of times throughout the years, but perhaps you were otherwise preoccupied and not paying attention?
Well, actually vesta's point may be worth examination, as I read it, she is saying that although Nads has often claimed to be of Polish Judaic extraction, she is above all a DUmmie, even an archetypical DUmmie, and DUmmies always lie, and so it is indeed possible she is actually no more Jewish than Fauxahontas is Cherokee, and her family may well have left Poland more for political reasons than because of some five-degrees-of-separation connection to The Tribe.
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Before passports were required I know a lot of people that went to Mexico for medical and dental treatments. One lady had braces put on her teeth in Mexico at a considerable cost savings.
Now I don't hear about it as often other then one older gentleman that has plans on taking a vacation to Mexico to have a couple root canals done.
Medical tourism is still pretty big. Panama and Costa Rica seem to have taken most of the business that Mexico used to receive in that regards. Thailand is another big destination, with advanced treatments unavailable in the USA.
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advanced treatments unavailable in the USA.
That is invariably a synonym for "quackery".
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That is invariably a synonym for "quackery".
Only if your mind doesn't grasp how the medical industry is regulated.
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Frank, I cannot understand, anyone putting you on ignore..You are a very sweet person, and you like cats!!
Right there, he's pushing it. :whistling:
:tongue: @Coach.
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Right there, he's pushing it. :whistling:
:tongue: @Coach.
Oh, but I'm not a cat person.
They just came with the territory.
And not being a primitive, I accept anyone coming my way, even if a nuisance.
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16? That is impossible, and she is a lying full of shit. There are very few countries that allow a dual citizenship.
and why the hell, would you go to Mexico for medical reasons?? I am beginning to think she has what I have.. It might explain the hairloss, and slight obesity factor.
Mexican doctors will remove you testicles with no questions asked. That where the Heaven's Gate cult went when U.S. doctors refused to do it.
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Mexican doctors will remove you testicles with no questions asked. That where the Heaven's Gate cult went when U.S. doctors refused to do it.
Metrosexual DUmpmonkies have them??2?22?
Oh, sorry, maybe the girl DUmpmonkies do.
Ask gNads.
Never mind, don't. Please don't.
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and have been challenged at elections by poll workers.
Oh, horseSHIT, nads. Based on what, your ****ed up accent? Yeah, you and about 30 million other Californians.
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Mexican doctors will remove you testicles with no questions asked.
That's because they are the only body parts a mexican doctor can reliably locate and identify.
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Only if your mind doesn't grasp how the medical industry is regulated.
I just grasp how everyone who travels overseas for "advanced treatments" seems to very quickly expire.
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Medical tourism is still pretty big. Panama and Costa Rica seem to have taken most of the business that Mexico used to receive in that regards. Thailand is another big destination, with advanced treatments unavailable in the USA.
Las Vegas was pushing medical tourism for the past couple years. We do get a lot of seasonal residents from Canada that need medical procedures done during the winter months. They are also marketing to other nations overseas.
That is interesting about Thailand, Panama and Costa Rica.
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Any chance Joe Biden the red dot Indian is related to cousin nads, at least in dishonesty ?
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I just grasp how everyone who travels overseas for "advanced treatments" seems to very quickly expire.
That's a very limited and flawed view. Certainly we have in America the capability for what's generally considered the best medical care in the world. However due to FDA regulations, certain prescription medications which are proven to successfully work elsewhere are not available. Additionally, due to legislative regulations and other self-imposed regulations by the medical industry certain treatment options such as stem-cell treatment are not available to be offered here.
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Las Vegas was pushing medical tourism for the past couple years. We do get a lot of seasonal residents from Canada that need medical procedures done during the winter months. They are also marketing to other nations overseas.
That is interesting about Thailand, Panama and Costa Rica.
It really is amazing how the medical tourism industry has taken off! It makes sense in a lot of ways. I've spoken before about my uncle, but when he went to Thailand for treatment the hospital was essentially a gigantic luxury hospital and recovery spa-hotel only serving very well off foreigners. The treatments there extended his life for nearly a decade with a remarkable quality of life improvement. All that after the specialists at the best hospitals here; Mayo, John Hopkins, etc all said he was on his way out as there was nothing else they could do.
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That's a very limited and flawed view. Certainly we have in America the capability for what's generally considered the best medical care in the world. However due to FDA regulations, certain prescription medications which are proven to successfully work elsewhere are not available. Additionally, due to legislative regulations and other self-imposed regulations by the medical industry certain treatment options such as stem-cell treatment are not available to be offered here.
Really?
Is the Mayo Clinic offering some kind of bait and switch when they talk about their stem cell program (http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/stem-cell-transplant/MY00089)?
How about Johns Hopkins? (http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/institute_cell_engineering/research_programs/)
Maybe UCLA (https://www.stemcell.ucla.edu/)?
University of Nebraska Medical Center? (http://www.unmc.edu/stemcells/)
How about the new Stem Cell Program at the University of Kansas Medical Center (http://www.kumc.edu/Documents/public%20affairs/Fact%20sheet%20--%20Midwest%20Stem%20Cell%20Therapy%20Center.pdf)?
It's a scam, I tell ya!
:whatever: :whatever: :whatever:
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Really?
Is the Mayo Clinic offering some kind of bait and switch when they talk about their stem cell program (http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/stem-cell-transplant/MY00089)?
How about Johns Hopkins? (http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/institute_cell_engineering/research_programs/)
Maybe UCLA (https://www.stemcell.ucla.edu/)?
University of Nebraska Medical Center? (http://www.unmc.edu/stemcells/)
How about the new Stem Cell Program at the University of Kansas Medical Center (http://www.kumc.edu/Documents/public%20affairs/Fact%20sheet%20--%20Midwest%20Stem%20Cell%20Therapy%20Center.pdf)?
It's a scam, I tell ya!
:whatever: :whatever: :whatever:
That's great to hear they've started investigating stem-cell treatment now. Again, he went to several of those hospitals, and ten years ago they weren't. :whatever: :whatever: :whatever:
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gNads, the international manatee of mystery, has a shoebox full of passports:
British West Florida
Bumbunga
North Dumpling Island
Outer Baldonia
Westarctica
By George Zimmerman! you are onto something! short arms, short legs, round fatty belly! A Manatee is cute but 3 out of 4 is acceptable!
(http://marquinhohotel.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2011/manatee-cartoon-i11.png)
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Every time you use your CCW permit as a voting ID, somewhere a liberals head explodes. :-)
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Every time you use your CCW permit as a voting ID, somewhere a liberals head explodes. :-)
That's awesome!
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Really?
Is the Mayo Clinic offering some kind of bait and switch when they talk about their stem cell program (http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/stem-cell-transplant/MY00089)?
It's a scam, I tell ya!
The foreign quack clinics remind me of the disclaimer at the end of tacky TV infomercials: "Not sold in any store!"
In the Philippines they have "psychic surgeons" who remove tumors without using a scalpel.
Predictably, the FDA refuses to recognize their science.
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The foreign quack clinics remind me of the disclaimer at the end of tacky TV infomercials: "Not sold in any store!"
In the Philippines they have "psychic surgeons" who remove tumors without using a scalpel.
Predictably, the FDA refuses to recognize their science.
There's certainly quack clinics, both over seas and here in the states as well. Although through regulation we're certainly protected from some of the extremist quackery.
I do not believe the FDA doesn't regulate surgical techniques. While having quite the plethora of areas under the public health umbrella to oversee; they're primarily in charge of food safety, pharmaceutical drugs, tobacco, supplements, medical devices, etc.
Not but a few years ago, in the time frame I mentioned earlier, I'm sure you recall the backlash against stem-cell treatment in this country. There were those without more than a cursory of knowledge, whom were stating that it's all based on dead babies and against God. It's certainly nice to hear that America's medical community has finally been able to work around the legislation put up to block the practice/research. Of course it's taken nearly a decade apparently.
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There's certainly quack clinics, both over seas and here in the states as well. Although through regulation we're certainly protected from some of the extremist quackery.
I do not believe the FDA doesn't regulate surgical techniques. While having quite the plethora of areas under the public health umbrella to oversee; they're primarily in charge of food safety, pharmaceutical drugs, tobacco, supplements, medical devices, etc.
Not but a few years ago, in the time frame I mentioned earlier, I'm sure you recall the backlash against stem-cell treatment in this country. There were those without more than a cursory of knowledge, whom were stating that it's all based on dead babies and against God. It's certainly nice to hear that America's medical community has finally been able to work around the legislation put up to block the practice/research. Of course it's taken nearly a decade apparently.
Fetal stem cells have shown almost no promise. Adult stem cells have been the superstars.
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Fetal stem cells have shown almost no promise. Adult stem cells have been the superstars.
Exactly - pretty much every advance in stem cell research has come from adult stem cells, not fetal.
I theorize that the fetal cells are designed to multiply like rabbits, then die out fairly quickly. -Whereas the adult variants are far more even tempered, and are less prone to go out in a blaze of reproductive glory.
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Exactly - pretty much every advance in stem cell research has come from adult stem cells, not fetal.
I theorize that the fetal cells are designed to multiply like rabbits, then die out fairly quickly. -Whereas the adult variants are far more even tempered, and are less prone to go out in a blaze of reproductive glory.
Yes, what is it that nads says, needless to say ? Needless to say this has been a big disappointment for the pro abortion lobby.
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Fetal stem cells have shown almost no promise. Adult stem cells have been the superstars.
Pardon my confusion, but what does that have to do with what you quoted of me? Not trying to argue, just not sure.
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Pardon my confusion, but what does that have to do with what you quoted of me? Not trying to argue, just not sure.
This quote from you piqued my interest...
"whom were stating that it's all based on dead babies and against God."
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This quote from you piqued my interest...
"whom were stating that it's all based on dead babies and against God."
Ah. Yeah, it really was a shame at the time when so many seemed to have that mindset. Especially in light of, as you affirmed, it was the adult stem cells which presented the applicable medical breakthroughs.
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Ah. Yeah, it really was a shame at the time when so many seemed to have that mindset. Especially in light of, as you affirmed, it was the adult stem cells which presented the applicable medical breakthroughs.
FWIW, ever since the beginning of the public stem cell debate some folkes have always been able to differentiate between fetal and adult stem cells.
So I guess I am confused about this "mindset" that you speak of.
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FWIW, ever since the beginning of the public stem cell debate some folkes have always been able to differentiate between fetal and adult stem cells.
So I guess I am confused about this "mindset" that you speak of.
Agreed, there certainly were some. However there was also some with very vocal opposition to any stem cell treatment, which were whom I was referencing.
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Agreed, there certainly were some. However there was also some with very vocal opposition to any stem cell treatment, which were whom I was referencing.
I feel as though this thread has been hi-jacked so I'll bow out of this discussion. If you wish to continue this discussion I'd be happy to join you in a different thread.
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I feel as though this thread has been hi-jacked so I'll bow out of this discussion. If you wish to continue this discussion I'd be happy to join you in a different thread.
Some of these posts should go over there with it. For context.