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Current Events => Breaking News => Topic started by: txradioguy on July 14, 2013, 03:28:42 PM
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On Sunday afternoon, the Obama Department of Justice announced that it would pursue investigation into George Zimmerman. That announcement came just hours after Zimmerman was acquitted for second-degree murder and manslaughter in the killing of Trayvon Martin, and within one day of the NAACP calling on the DOJ for an investigation.
Here is the Department of Justice statement in full:
As the Department first acknowledged last year, we have an open investigation into the death of Trayvon Martin. The Department of Justice’s Criminal Section of the Civil Rights Division, the United States Attorney’s Office for the Middle District of Florida, and the Federal Bureau of Investigation continue to evaluate the evidence generated during the federal investigation, as well as the evidence and testimony from the state trial. Experienced federal prosecutors will determine whether the evidence reveals a prosecutable violation of any of the limited federal criminal civil rights statutes within our jurisdiction, and whether federal prosecution is appropriate in accordance with the Department’s policy governing successive federal prosecution following a state trial.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/07/14/DOJ-investigate-Zimmerman
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".....we have an open investigation with closed minds into the death of Trayvon Martin."
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This is complete bullshit. The Feds have ZERO right to interfere in a states business in my opinion.
What are they going to do, dig through all the saved NSA data and pull up some unrelated obscure bullshit?
KC
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This is complete bullshit. The Feds have ZERO right to interfere in a states business in my opinion.
What are they going to do, dig through all the saved NSA data and pull up some unrelated obscure bullshit?
KC
Burden of proof is less in a Fed case than a state case. They'll get the "justice" that was "denied" in the trial that just ended.
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Gee, there's a shocker....
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I hate these people.
If they do, I hope Zimmerman counter sues.
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Burden of proof is less in a Fed case than a state case. They'll get the "justice" that was "denied" in the trial that just ended.
I'm hearing Gregg Jarrett say that it might not be an easy case to prosecute--something about a DOJ report, with FBI "goodness" saying that there was no indication of a civil rights violation . . .
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Black Panthers denying peoples civil right to vote goes unpunished but a mans right to defend his community and himself must be abolished/punished.
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I'm hearing Gregg Jarrett say that it might not be an easy case to prosecute--something about a DOJ report, with FBI "goodness" saying that there was no indication of a civil rights violation . . .
When has that ever mattered to this administration?
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I'm hearing Gregg Jarrett say that it might not be an easy case to prosecute--something about a DOJ report, with FBI "goodness" saying that there was no indication of a civil rights violation . . .
By Patrik Jonsson, Staff writer / July 12, 2012
FBI report: No evidence George Zimmerman is racist
An FBI investigation into the shooting of black teenager Travyon Martin concluded that there's no evidence the suspect, George Zimmerman, was motived by racial bias or hatred.
After interviewing 30 people familiar with George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch captain charged with killing African-American teenager Trayvon Martin, FBI agents found no evidence that the shooting was driven by racial bias or animus.
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2012/0712/FBI-report-No-evidence-George-Zimmerman-is-racist
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WHY Breitbart runs with this bogus CR@P is beyond me!
My guess is that they 'stole' the report from an Onion (satire) Like site!
The report is bogus .. just like the site!
(Onion anyone?)
Remember last month's report by the same site?
Fake ... DOJ & FBI Raid News Media Offices After
Releasing an Alarming Story on President Obama!
http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2013/06/bogus-report-dojfbi-raid-news-offices.html
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WHY Breitbart runs with this bogus CR@P is beyond me!
My guess is that they 'stole' the report from an Onion (satire) Like site!
The report is bogus .. just like the site!
(Onion anyone?)
Remember last month's report by the same site?
Fake ... DOJ & FBI Raid News Media Offices After
Releasing an Alarming Story on President Obama!
http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2013/06/bogus-report-dojfbi-raid-news-offices.html
You're saying the DoJ purposely put out a false statement? It's not just Breitbart that's reporting it. Ny Daily New is as well. The NAACP has already put out on social media they are working with DoJ to start the criminal proceedings.
Are you saying they are all reporting on some made up statement?
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You're saying the DoJ purposely put out a false statement? It's not just Breitbart that's reporting it. Ny Daily New is as well. The NAACP has already put out on social media they are working with DoJ to start the criminal proceedings.
Are you saying they are all reporting on some made up statement?
That is my guess.
The DOJ investigated the Racists bunk months ago and found none!
Too .. You cannot file Civil Rights charges against an 'ordinary' citizen!
(Civil Rights charges can only be filed against a government, State or Federal employee!)
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That is my guess.
The DOJ investigated the Racists bunk months ago and found none!
Too .. You cannot file Civil Rights charges against an 'ordinary' citizen!
(Civil Rights charges can only be filed against a government, State or Federal employee!)
That is what I thought. Wasn't sure though.
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/07/14/naacp-asking-obama-administration-to-pursue-zimmerman-civil-case/ (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/07/14/naacp-asking-obama-administration-to-pursue-zimmerman-civil-case/)
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That is my guess.
The DOJ investigated the Racists bunk months ago and found none!
Too .. You cannot file Civil Rights charges against an 'ordinary' citizen!
(Civil Rights charges can only be filed against a government, State or Federal employee!)
Weren't the cops in the Rodney King case charged with federal civil rights violations?
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/07/14/naacp-asking-obama-administration-to-pursue-zimmerman-civil-case/ (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/07/14/naacp-asking-obama-administration-to-pursue-zimmerman-civil-case/)
Smoke and Mirrors!
As stated above .. Already investigated!
What is the POS (Obama) gonna say?
Justice has prevailed?
Of course the POS (Obama) tends to ignore laws that he doesn't like so .. Who can really know?
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Weren't the cops in the Rodney King case charged with federal civil rights violations?
That's his point, Thundley. The COPS -being government employees - were charged. Zimmerman isn't a government employee, ergo he can't be (legitimately) charged with violating St. Skittles' civil rights.
Of course, the counter-argument to this is that the cops on scene of St.Skittles martyrdom determined that it was a clean shoot right at the very beginning, and the state prosecutor's office took it upon itself to press bogus charges anyway, so we can certainly say that the standard of prosecutorial incompetence demands that Comrade Holder press charges anyway, regardless of what the facts support.
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Weren't the cops in the Rodney King case charged with federal civil rights violations?
They were COPS!
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A HATE crime would/could be prosecuted under law 'but' That has been debunked!
Not only that but Zimmerman was found innocent by way of self protection .. WHICH IS NOT the same verdict as OJ Simpson enjoyed!
OJ was found not guilty of murder NOT innocent of murder due to self protection!
I see the OJ comparison bandied about .. all over the place so I thought that I would throw in the above!
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I'm not saying you're wrong mrclose, but I think we need to remember that this is administration that is not bound by rules/laws.
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I'm not saying you're wrong mrclose, but I think we need to remember that this is administration that is not bound by rules/laws.
Sadly, I can't argue with that!
To expand on the OJ case ... OJ was sued .. In Civil Court by the Goldman's which was Not a civil rights issue!
A lesser degree of evidence is needed in that kind of case than in OJ's Criminal case!
The civil case found that OJ could have had the opportunity to kill his wife and her friend so the Goldman's won the suit.
Zimmerman was found not guilty due to self defense.
Nowhere are the two the same!
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More likely to sic the IRS on him. That seems to be the weapon of choice these days. No administration in my memory has gone after private citizens and groups whom they consider enemies the way this one has.
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Florida law grants George Zimmerman immunity from civil action if he is found not guilty due to self-defense.
(1) A person who uses force as permitted in s. 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force, unless the person against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer ...
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?mode=View%20Statutes&SubMenu=1&App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=776.032&URL=0700-0799/0776/Sections/0776.032.html
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More likely to sic the IRS on him. That seems to be the weapon of choice these days. No administration in my memory has gone after private citizens and groups whom they consider enemies the way this one has.
Most likely. This admin is grossly out of line with our constitution. They do not think they have to follow the laws of the land cause they "make the laws" may all of them drown in their own blood someday soon.
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An element of a civil rights prosecution is that the deprivation is caused by an actor who is taking state action under color of authority; i.e., police officers.
It has been used against other than law enforcement officers but must always involve some sort of state action.
The DOJ may be considering just ignoring the state action requirement and hope the case is heard by a liberal judge who doesn’t care what the law is, or maybe trying to argue that Block Watch is the functional equivalent of a police department.
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An element of a civil rights prosecution is that the deprivation is caused by an actor who is taking state action under color of authority; i.e., police officers.
It has been used against other than law enforcement officers but must always involve some sort of state action.
The DOJ may be considering just ignoring the state action requirement and hope the case is heard by a liberal judge who doesn’t care what the law is, or maybe trying to argue that Block Watch is the functional equivalent of a police department.
Finally you nailed it. At this point, it is impossible to quote laws and statutes, and expect the Obama administration to adhere to any of them.
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Finally you nailed it. At this point, it is impossible to quote laws and statutes, and expect the Obama administration to adhere to any of them.
Sadly (And with great remorse) I cannot disagree with you! :rant:
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Finally you nailed it. At this point, it is impossible to quote laws and statutes, and expect the Obama administration to adhere to any of them.
Actually it might be instructive, try this exercise.
This is a snippet of the description of "color of law" as described by the FBI.
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/civilrights/color_of_law
Color of Law Abuses
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U.S. law enforcement officers and other officials like judges, prosecutors, and security guards have been given tremendous power by local, state, and federal government agencies—authority they must have to enforce the law and ensure justice in our country. These powers include the authority to detain and arrest suspects, to search and seize property, to bring criminal charges, to make rulings in court, and to use deadly force in certain situations.
Preventing abuse of this authority, however, is equally necessary to the health of our nation’s democracy. That’s why it’s a federal crime for anyone acting under “color of law†willfully to deprive or conspire to deprive a person of a right protected by the Constitution or U.S. law. “Color of law†simply means that the person is using authority given to him or her by a local, state, or federal government agency.
The operative term being a "local agency". So far I'm seeing alot of ambiguity as to whether an HOA can be considered a local agency.
If anyone can provide a federally accepted definition of an HOA, that would be helpful.
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Here is what I have found so far as a description of an HOA is, at least in Florida.
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0700-0799/0720/0720.html
(2) The Legislature recognizes that it is not in the best interest of homeowners’ associations or the individual association members thereof to create or impose a bureau or other agency of state government to regulate the affairs of homeowners’ associations. However, in accordance with s. 720.311, the Legislature finds that homeowners’ associations and their individual members will benefit from an expedited alternative process for resolution of election and recall disputes and presuit mediation of other disputes involving covenant enforcement and authorizes the department to hear, administer, and determine these disputes as more fully set forth in this chapter. Further, the Legislature recognizes that certain contract rights have been created for the benefit of homeowners’ associations and members thereof before the effective date of this act and that ss. 720.301-720.407 are not intended to impair such contract rights, including, but not limited to, the rights of the developer to complete the community as initially contemplated.
Obviously there is more to it then this snippet, but I found equally ambiguous.
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Actually it might be instructive, try this exercise.
This is a snippet of the description of "color of law" as described by the FBI.
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/civilrights/color_of_law
The operative term being a "local agency". So far I'm seeing alot of ambiguity as to whether an HOA can be considered a local agency.
If anyone can provide a federally accepted definition of an HOA, that would be helpful.
Florida HOA's have the authority to fine residents for breaking their rules.
If the fines are not paid the HOA can refer the matter to the courts>
(Just like you and I could. Civil)
They have no Police or arresting powers.
That is why Zimmerman was asking for the police!
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Florida HOA's have the authority to fine residents for breaking their rules.
If the fines are not paid the HOA can refer the matter to the courts>
(Just like you and I could. Civil)
They have no Police or arresting powers.
That is why Zimmerman was asking for the police!
Your probably right, I was just trying to tease out a way that the DOJ could get their nose into the tent.
BTW, I've never lived within the confines of an HOA, do they collect any money that goes to *anything* other then the HOA?
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That is my guess.
The DOJ investigated the Racists bunk months ago and found none!
Too .. You cannot file Civil Rights charges against an 'ordinary' citizen!
(Civil Rights charges can only be filed against a government, State or Federal employee!)
That isn't true...
If I apply to live in an apartment and the apartment owners are black and deny me because I am white, I can file a civil rights suite against them.
Now that is under the Fair Housing Act. But I can site more examples. But basically only a government or private entity can violate someones civil right, not a single person. The way I understand it.
Now in the case of Zimmerman as you said he is an individual so no Civil Right violation can be filled.
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That isn't true...
If I apply to live in an apartment and the apartment owners are black and deny me because I am white, I can file a civil rights suite against them.
Now that is under the Fair Housing Act. But I can site more examples. But basically only a government or private entity can violate someones civil right, not a single person. The way I understand it.
Now in the case of Zimmerman as you said he is an individual so no Civil Right violation can be filled.
The suit would (as you said) fall under the Fair Housing Act.
Not the Civil Rights Act.
Just like the EOE Act .. Not Civil Rights.
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But basically only a government or private entity can violate someones civil right, not a single person.
Under the Federal Civil Rights act only Those acting under “Color of law†authority given to him or her by a local, state, or federal government agency can be brought to task.
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Like the great one J.G. said "how sweet it is" that Zimmerman was found not guilty.