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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Ballygrl on July 02, 2013, 06:02:34 PM
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That's the comment some fool made in reference to Obama delaying Obamacare until after the mid-terms:
HUGE: White House Delaying Key Obamacare Provision For A Year
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014525425#post3
rsmith6621 (6,694 posts)
1. Jeez Who Wrote The White House A Check
...to make this happen. I know that there have been employers from major corporations that have been laying off employees currently because of this mandate so what now will the corps hire them back.....likely not.
This is not a victory for employees.
Ilsa (32,143 posts)
2. Shit. If the ACA doesn't get implemented, when are
the big savings supposed to materialize? I'm scared the whole thing is going to be undone and we'll be left with nothing to provide healthcare.
Help.
Bandit (19,830 posts)
3. IMO this Republican Health Insurance Bill is as corrupt as most politicians.
Why should the government force business to provide health insurance for it's employees. It is not the responsibility of business to provide such care and for the government to fine business $100,000. or more if they refuse to do what should be the responsibility of Government. Afterall the main purpose of Government is to maintain the Health and Welfare of the Nation.. That is not the main purpose of Business. It does not surprise me in the slightest that so many Americans are opposed to this horible piece of legislation.
pampango (14,135 posts)
14. How many republicans voted for this "Republican Health Insurance Bill"?
The number was pretty close to 0 was it not? There were certainly more more members of the Progressive Caucus voting for it than republicans.
Bandit (19,830 posts)
15. Who wrote the Bill?
It was written by the very same man that wrote Romney's Health Care Bill and is almost word for word...It originated in the Heritage Foundation as a rebuttal to Hillary's Health Care proposals. It was opposed almost unanimously by Democrats in 1995.
Yo_Mama (3,898 posts)
26. Whatever it is, it isn't Republican
GOP pretty much was thumbs down on it then and has kept running against it ever since.
This was supposed to be the great Democratic triumph.
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Le Taz Hot (14,727 posts)
27. But *I* can't opt out of the mandate
without paying a premium in 2014. How nice.
Yo_Mama (3,898 posts)
28. I think I figured it out - it's health care workers (low-paid)
The reimbursements for nursing home/home health care are mostly fixed by Medicare and Medicaid, and they are very low.
The rates paid literally won't pay for health insurance. These groups got exemptions from the current requirements early on.
So next year, either the government will have to increase reimbursement rates or I think there would be a huge staffing problem.
Otherwise I can see no explanation.
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Does 0bama know of this?
This is way past indoctrination.
Way past just being stupid.
Does 0bama know of this?
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Ilsa (32,143 posts)
2. Shit. If the ACA doesn't get implemented, when are
the big savings supposed to materialize? I'm scared the whole thing is going to be undone and we'll be left with nothing to provide healthcare.
Help.
Seriously WTF!! :banghead:
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Ilsa (32,143 posts) 2. Shit. If the ACA doesn't get implemented, when are
the big savings supposed to materialize? I'm scared the whole thing is going to be undone and we'll be left with nothing to provide healthcare.
Help.
About the same time that Skittle shitting unicorn shows up.
Until then, we ALL are SOL! :hammer:
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Sometimes the tree of liberty must be watered...
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It's a pity the ****ers didn't read and comprehend the ramifications of the bill before they passed it.
:ownit:
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Who paid off Obama.. Cracka, Please.
This delay is simply to try to stop Democrats from losing seats in 2014 over a massively unpopular bill that can't be blamed on Republicans, since none of them were involved in its creation, and none of them voted for it. If left as-is, everybody would be good and pissed off by election time, so Obama usurped congressional authority (once again) to do an end-run around it.
However -
I feel its entirely short-sighted. Employers aren't going to delay the changes they are making to comply, meaning people are going to get their hours cut, and part of their paycheck disappeared for nothing.
..And people will be extra pissed-off come 2016.
Bill & Hill must be super happy with The One tonight. Wouldn't surprise me to learn that Obama might wake up to find a whore's horse's head in his bed..
( Actually, I was probably right the first time, since its Bubba we're talkin' bout. )
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This theme of not being able to see 2 minutes ahead in life is something liberals do on every issue, so why should this be different. If they had gotten single payer, they'd be going "What do you mean that since the gov't is paying they'll have access to all my medical records and conversations with my doctor?" There's no thought behind their blank stares, it's just what sounds good at the moment and let's roll with it.
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rsmith6621 (6,694 posts)
1. Jeez Who Wrote The White House A Check
...to make this happen. I know that there have been employers from major corporations that have been laying off employees currently because of this mandate so what now will the corps hire them back.....likely not.
This is not a victory for employees.
There is a reason why we consider you drooling infants stupid. We do not make these decisions hastily nor haphazardly.
You. Are. Stupid.
Embrace it.
It is cognizantly impossible for you boobs to see past your overweening emotional states. You accept lies as truth and refuse to accept reality. You consider all of those who disagree with you as fascist, yet.......you cheer, and gleefully employ, fascistic tactics to assuage your adolescent emotional impulses without thought. You want to help the poor, but are shocked when your constant finger painting hammers the poor most.
This is what happens when children are in charge. Now, move out of the goddammed way and let the adults fix this mess.
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This theme of not being able to see 2 minutes ahead in life is something liberals do on every issue, so why should this be different. If they had gotten single payer, they'd be going "What do you mean that since the gov't is paying they'll have access to all my medical records and conversations with my doctor?" There's no thought behind their blank stares, it's just what sounds good at the moment and let's roll with it.
Its how it always is, and how it always will be with them.
I always find it amazing how the self-proclaimed mostest smartest bestest peeps in the known galaxy base all of their major decisions on emotion and not intelligence. And it bites them on their collective asses every time. If any of them bothered to read the bill - and if their media cheerleaders bothered to report the bill - nobody would be surprised today by what is inside the bill. Instead they all gave each other high fives and slapped each others asses over how wonderful the bill is on the surface, without bothering to use any of that self-proclaimed intellect to actually determine what the bill and its likely effects will be.
Dumbasses.
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Ilsa (32,143 posts) 2. Shit. If the ACA doesn't get implemented, when are
the big savings supposed to materialize? I'm scared the whole thing is going to be undone and we'll be left with nothing to provide healthcare.
Help.
HA HA HA HA HA HA!!! :rotf: :lmao: :rofl:
Oh, hell. You just can't fix that kind of stupid.
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Ilsa (32,143 posts)
2. Shit. If the ACA doesn't get implemented, when are
the big savings supposed to materialize? :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: I'm scared the whole thing is going to be undone and we'll be left with nothing to provide healthcare.
Help.
You have nothing done or undone, retard. You will be fined, as a tax, mind you.
...and then you can all munch Skittles and convince yourselves how wonderful you are.
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It is scary but when you actually confront these morons most think it is instant and automatic free healthcare.
They have no idea at all what is in store.
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It is scary but when you actually confront these morons most think it is instant and automatic free healthcare.
They have no idea at all what is in store.
which is why they voted for obama in the first place.
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What's this ? Blank stares from obumazombies ? That's to go along with the blank check they gave to owebuma. Now chant after me, o bum a...
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It is scary but when you actually confront these morons most think it is instant and automatic free healthcare.
They have no idea at all what is in store.
some of them...a few I have talked to have actually said "yea when the AHA fails we will get single payer I can't wait" :manipulated: ...I'm not sure which is the bigger moron myself....In my opinion bad anyway you look at it.
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These idiots cheered when it was passed, they cheered again when the SC upheld it, now all of a sudden they want to disown it and blame it on the repukes, the same repukes who for once did the right thing and voted against it. I swear goldfish have better memories than these fools.
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Now even O is running away from parts of it.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/white-house-delay-key-provision-214100703.html;_ylt=Ag038nC6MH4KEWt4pw_ijDajuodG;_ylu=X3oDMTNkM2twNmtmBG1pdANGaW5hbmNlIEluZmluaXRlIEJyb3dzZSBTcGxpdARwa2cDM2EyZWVmYWYtNDk5NS0zMDM5LWJmMjUtNzVlNTE3YjZjNTUzBHBvcwNsMQRzZWMDbWVkaWFpbmZpbml0ZWJyb3dzZWxpc3Q-;_ylg=X3oDMTJuZDFiN2JqBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDMWYxMGNkYzEtOGYzYi0zN2NjLTgxYmYtYTc3NTgwMDcyZmI5BHBzdGNhdANuZXdzBHB0A3N0b3J5cGFnZQ--;_ylv=3
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You know who has to be more ticked off about this? Hillary, if this gets shoved into 2015 and people are in an uproar? that doesn't bode well for the Democrats in 2016, unless she finds a way to distance herself from it.
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Now even O is running away from parts of it.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/white-house-delay-key-provision-214100703.html;_ylt=Ag038nC6MH4KEWt4pw_ijDajuodG;_ylu=X3oDMTNkM2twNmtmBG1pdANGaW5hbmNlIEluZmluaXRlIEJyb3dzZSBTcGxpdARwa2cDM2EyZWVmYWYtNDk5NS0zMDM5LWJmMjUtNzVlNTE3YjZjNTUzBHBvcwNsMQRzZWMDbWVkaWFpbmZpbml0ZWJyb3dzZWxpc3Q-;_ylg=X3oDMTJuZDFiN2JqBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDMWYxMGNkYzEtOGYzYi0zN2NjLTgxYmYtYTc3NTgwMDcyZmI5BHBzdGNhdANuZXdzBHB0A3N0b3J5cGFnZQ--;_ylv=3
Comment from the Yahoo link :lmao:
Oh....so we have to pass it to see what's in it....and now we have to delay it so we DON'T see what's in it
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All smart business people look out at a five-year horizon for their strategic plans. Delaying this piece for a year doesn't make it go away. The 29 hour weeks, full layoffs, and hiring avoidance will continue.
OMG, it looks like RSmith got something right for once in his life. :panic:
Carl, you're right. The morons think it's automatic and free. Just look at EC's co-workers, who continue to believe this. I think it's willfull ignorance and wishful thinking.
What a cluster****.
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All smart business people look out at a five-year horizon for their strategic plans. Delaying this piece for a year doesn't make it go away. The 29 hour weeks, full layoffs, and hiring avoidance will continue.
OMG, it looks like RSmith got something right for once in his life. :panic:
Carl, you're right. The morons think it's automatic and free. Just look at EC's co-workers, who continue to believe this. I think it's willfull ignorance and wishful thinking.
What a cluster****.
Many do get that it is insurance and not a direct payment from the government but it seems they are thinking the government is buying it for them and then they get free healthcare with insurance paying the bill.
They have no clue what the basic bronze plan will cost them out of pocket.
It is clear the delay in the employer mandate is to get past the 2014 elections as it is a jobs killer.
The problem is with no delay in the individual mandate companies can simply end insurance without the tax and now it is up to the person to get it.
They have created a catch 22 for themselves.
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WORKERS REPLACED BY ROBOTS
MANAGEMENT REPORTS FEWER PERSONEL PROBLEMS
LOWER COST AND ABSENTISM ALSO SITED
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And they wonder why they are called DUmmies or DUmbasses.
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Response to Tony_FLADEM (Original post)
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 06:18 PM
GentryDixon (1,696 posts)
6. I give up on this administration...
I just put my Obama magnets in my recycle bin. Enough is enough.
:lmao: Can't just throw them in the trash. Have to use the recycle bin. Moonbat. All that stuff ends up in the landfill with your other junk.
Response to quakerboy (Reply #63)
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 08:33 PM
MannyGoldstein (22,024 posts)
65. Maybe the law truly will be a disaster
There may be unanticipated consequences
Ya Think???
It's a fun read over there. Anguish, anxiety, confusion.
Oh, and Prosense does not walk into the room.
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:lmao: Can't just throw them in the trash. Have to use the recycle bin. Moonbat. All that stuff ends up in the landfill with your other junk.
Ya Think???
It's a fun read over there. Anguish, anxiety, confusion.
They've discovered it ain't gonna be free.... :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
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Safetykitten (3,866 posts)
61. "this republiccan health insurance"...this is the funniest thing I have read in months here. WE OWN
IT. Democrats OWN this.
This DUmmie actually has had a moment of clarity. You are correct DUmmie, you voted for it now you own it.
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IIRC, there was the first (& only) term congressman from NOLA that voted for the cACA so it is an entirely owned by the repukes.
If the GOP were smart (lol) they would sue to make 0bama adhere to the law that has his name on it. This is a full on dictatorship move. Lord 0bama has done this lots of times with no consequences (recess appointments, DREAM, anyone). The executive cannot ignore legislation. This truly is an impeachable offense. The HOR coud vote it up to the senate and Let the fireworks begin as all the donks that voted for it fail to impeach. Great ad material for 2014.
On edit: Bobby Jindal just gave 0bama the pimp hand on twitter.
"You know things are bad when you can’t even successfully implement your own bad ideas."
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Just a link. There's no point in copy select posts because all 150+ posts are dripping with golden, glistening Proglodyte agony over the state of ObamaCoup.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014525425
They are simply miserable.
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^Misery loves company. One man's misery is another's ecstasy.
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RGR375 (52 posts)
80. Just remember!
When morality meats reality morality loses. The reality is somebody has to pay for this.
Really?!?! B-b-but....tax the rich!!111111!!!1elevenTY!!1!!
I'm dropping my health insurance at the end of the year because of premiums doubling. We cant even pay for this the cost has already almost tripled
:ownit:
and we are broke as a nation even if we do eat the rich.
See. And all it took was a simple clubbing.
AngryOldDem (8,860 posts)
73. I wish I could opt out of the hike in my self-insurance.
Got a letter Saturday that informed me I'll be paying almost $100 more a month beginning in August. I'm looking into other options, but am not optimistic. This could not have come at a worse time for me.
I'm sure a part of this increase is directly because of the ACA.
Ya think?
:ownit:
TransitJohn (5,037 posts)
75. Shocked, shocked, I tell ya!
Chess Move
Politics of the real
You never loved him
You didn't get your pony
Public option wasn't possible
****ing retarded
Racist
etc.
etc.
:rotf:
Safetykitten (3,945 posts)
76. Correct.
:rotf: :rotf:
SMC22307 (37 posts)
85. He sure roped the dopes, eh? (n/t)
:rotf: :rotf: :rotf:
Alhena (1,893 posts)
83. The vast majority of Obamacare is still on schedule ...
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we'll find out how good or bad a thing that is when it arrives. :hyper:
The heart of the program is the system of exchanges, and those haven't been delayed. It seems pretty clear that the young and healthy will be hurt financially and the older and sick will be helped by these exchanges.
Oh, you're going to find out. :hammer:
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"RGR375 (52 posts)
80. Just remember!
When morality meats reality morality loses. The reality is somebody has to pay for this."
I hope that "meat" is bacon flavored. I just love mixed nut metaphors !
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