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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: SSG Snuggle Bunny on June 27, 2013, 09:03:18 PM
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Not that it's hard to predict dogs eating out of the cat box.
HipChick (9,743 posts)
What White People Don't Understand About Rachel Jeantel
A predominantly white jury is not going to like Rachel Jeantel. Let's just be real here.
The 19-year-old Miami native is an easy target for obvious, yet shallow reasons. But let's not forget why she's actually on the stand in George Zimmerman's second degree murder trial. Rachel was the last person to speak to a living, breathing Trayvon Martin. The guilt, shame and sorrow she must feel is something most of us will never be able to comprehend. You could hear it in her voice, see it in her jittery body language. She is feeling the wrath of this highly publicized case.
Rachel was thrown head first into this murder story, unwillingly. And although she had repeatedly said she did not want to be a witness, did not even want to believe she was the last person Trayvon spoke to, Rachel took the stand for all the right reasons. She was asked to by the family of her deceased friend and feeling part of the burden for his death, she wanted to help.
Rachel was raw, emotional, aggressive and hostile, and she was unapologetically herself.
And if the 5 white jurors (excluding the 1 Latina) are like most white people I know,
TRANSLATION: I can't be racist, I have white friends.
they are unfortunately not going to like Rachel. They won't understand her, especially not her defensive nature, and this will unfortunately work against her. Even though it shouldn't.
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Less intelligent and more confused.
Less intelligent because of the "language barrier" and more confused because of the lawyers' failure to understand who Rachel is, where she comes from, what kind of life she lives.
So, if someone had a life experience where a racial group was constantly committing crimes against them they are to be forgiven, right?
It seems the middle-aged white men on both sides of this case are totally unaware of what Rachel's life is like - a 19-year-old high school student of Haitian descent who knows nothing more than the few block radius she has grown up in. The cultural differences here are exponential.
Read more: http://globalgrind.com/news/what-white-people-dont-understand-about-rachel-jeantel-trayvon-martin-blog#ixzz2XSQAkpOz
geckosfeet (8,958 posts)
1. Jury selection is critical - a 6 woman (5 white) jury is not favorable to Rachel's experience.
JI7 (40,669 posts)
9. there have been some white people who get her, i think it's a race and class thing
i don't know about these jurors. but to me it seemed especially white women were kind of sympathetic and understanding of her.
KT2000 (9,826 posts)
12. the defense lawyer knows
who she is and how to get her confused.
Those People: They're easily confused
Yesterday he "did not get" her reference to 48 hours. But he most likely did. He used the opportunity to laugh at her because she had given him a valid reason for not contacting anyone.
She knew the experience in chronological order - he purposely drilled her about events out or order.
He knows well that teens text and made it strange that someone else posed as Rachel to sent a text to Trayvon.
Most of the time when he said he did not understand her, he did - or should have.
The lawyer is doing everything he can to make her look less intelligent so she can't be believed because she is not coming across as a liar.
I wish the prosecutor would point out that her mother was out of the country and Rachel was dealing with all of this alone.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023114243
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Rachel was raw, emotional, aggressive and hostile, and she was unapologetically herself.
And she was also a 19-year-old high school student.
You run with that, DUmmies.
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And she was also a 19-year-old high school student.
You run with that, DUmmies.
Who can't read.
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Rachel Jeantel is the zenith of liberal social policy. Keep people comfortable enough so they have no ambition or desire to improve themselves.
Lyndon Johnson is smiling from Hell.
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48 hours
Did she mean the show "The First 48"? I doubt that she was talking about Eddie Murphy and Nick Nolte shooting up fag bars.
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She said under oath that "creepy ass cracker" isn't racist. Who (besides libs) will pretend to believe that ?
edit quote
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023106694
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Who can't read.
And is a bigot.
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Who can't read.
But I bet she has her Obama Phonetm.
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But I bet she has her Obama Phonetm.
....and she's not afraid to use it.
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....and she's not afraid to use it.
Yep, she couldn't wait to get out of the court room to use her obama phone...she asked the judge before she left if she could use it....
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And if the 5 white jurors (excluding the 1 Latina) are like most white people I know,
they are unfortunately not going to like Rachel.
I don't know who wrote this article, but I found this very offensive. The writer doesn't know this "Latina" from Adam. Who's to say what she thinks? Who's to say what the white women think? I just don't understand the pidgeonholing that the liberal crowd does.
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Now I'm confused.
I thought that Zimmerman was on trial, not this semi-literate 19 year old who couldn't tell the truth if it hit her on her rather large backside.
Straighten me out about this "jury of one's peers" thingy........[/sarcasm]
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DUmmies, I watched her her. DUmb-as-a-stump. Lies through her teeth. Can't get her story straight.
In a word, A lousy "witness".
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DUmmies, I watched her her. DUmb-as-a-stump. Lies through her teeth. Can't get her story straight.
In a word, A lousy "witness".
Witless is closer to the truth.
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The racism of the black community is being put on parade and the liberals don't like it. They are twisting themselves up in knots internet wide, to make excuses for why anyone other than whites have a right to think the way they do.
It's rather amusing to watch.
KC
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heaven05 (2,594 posts)
319. Need
you ask or are you just trying to 'trap' me in my words? I wish the jury reflected the racial demographics of society at large. Since you asked. That there are racist on that jury? Who knows. But one hispanic, and five whites, that is not a jury to reflect the dead victim's interests here. Just my opinion and I don't think Trayvon will see any type of justice.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023126347
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heaven05 (2,594 posts)
319. Need
you ask or are you just trying to 'trap' me in my words? I wish the jury reflected the racial demographics of society at large. Since you asked. That there are racist on that jury? Who knows. But one hispanic, and five whites, that is not a jury to reflect the dead victim's interests here. Just my opinion and I don't think Trayvon will see any type of justice.
The jury is not supposed to reflect Mr Martin's peers you buffoon.
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Now I'm confused.
I thought that Zimmerman was on trial, not this semi-literate 19 year old who couldn't tell the truth if it hit her on her rather large backside.
Straighten me out about this "jury of one's peers" thingy........[/sarcasm]
Marv--I hope your entire post was sarcasm and not just your last line.
Now, were I the DA in this case, would I have charged Zimmerman with murder? No. Manslaughter, maybe, based on the extent of the injuries Trayvon inflicted upon Zimmerman before he was shot. Even that might be a stretch given that Zimmerman had blood on the BACK AND FRONT of his head and a broken nose as a result of the beating inflicted upon him.
But the DA, having overreached, brings this "star" witness in, who turns out to be more of a liability than anything else to the prosecution's case.
If you had to go to the jury now, Zimmerman is going to walk. Basically, my whole impression of her testimony was, "This is the best you got?"
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Rachel Jeantel is the zenith of liberal social policy. Keep people comfortable enough so they have no ambition or desire to improve themselves.
Lyndon Johnson is smiling from Hell.
Exactly Chris. It should suck to be poor in my opinion. I grew up fairly poor. It made me want to get an education and not be poor. I do understand that there will always be a certain percentage of people that will be habitually poor for whatever reason... but for the most part, anyone with full mental processes can rise above being poor. Some of the wealthiest folks I know have no college education. What they have is a trade. Plumbers make darn good money. A good mechanic can make some good coin. A friend of mine growing up has 5 pawn shops and makes big bucks.
There is success out there for anyone that decides to work for it.
Sitting in your section 8 housing and waiting on the government welfare check is not going to make anyone successful.
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I don't like her because she says, "Retarded/tarded" on the stand of a murder trial.
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I don't like her because she says, "Retarded/tarded" on the stand of a murder trial.
Cut her some slack, she did tack a sir on the end of it.
That’s real retarded, sir. That’s real retarded to do that, sir.
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The racism of the black community is being put on parade and the liberals don't like it. They are twisting themselves up in knots internet wide, to make excuses for why anyone other than whites have a right to think the way they do.
It's rather amusing to watch.
KC
Yes, it is.
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Speaking as a white person, I am not buying her testimony at all.
Why? not because of her poor speech or surly manner.
No. It's because she LIED. Everything the b!tch said on day one, was shown to be a LIE on day two.
Her freaking story changed 12 times depending to whom she was talking too.
I can't believe she was ever on the phone with Travon...because she LIED. She is a LIAR. She sat in front of a nation and told LIES. Perjury is a crime under normal circumstances...I guess not in this case.
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Perjury is a crime under normal circumstances...I guess not in this case.
Or in Bill Clinton's case.
KC
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Having been on a few juries in the past, I would dismiss her testimony in a flat second.
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Not that it's hard to predict dogs eating out of the cat box.
TRANSLATION: I can't be racist, I have white friends.
So, if someone had a life experience where a racial group was constantly committing crimes against them they are to be forgiven, right?
KT2000 (9,826 posts)
12. the defense lawyer knows
who she is and how to get her confused.
Those People: They're easily confused
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023114243
When they watch COPS and America's Most Wanted, the fact that the perps are better than 40% of the show, while only being 12% of the population, makes it a white conspiracy and racist!
Exactly Chris. It should suck to be poor in my opinion. I grew up fairly poor. It made me want to get an education and not be poor. I do understand that there will always be a certain percentage of people that will be habitually poor for whatever reason... but for the most part, anyone with full mental processes can rise above being poor. Some of the wealthiest folks I know have no college education. What they have is a trade. Plumbers make darn good money. A good mechanic can make some good coin. A friend of mine growing up has 5 pawn shops and makes big bucks.
There is success out there for anyone that decides to work for it.
Sitting in your section 8 housing and waiting on the government welfare check is not going to make anyone successful.
Can't have that! The DemoncRats would run outa voters!
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Marv--I hope your entire post was sarcasm and not just your last line.
Now, were I the DA in this case, would I have charged Zimmerman with murder? No. Manslaughter, maybe, based on the extent of the injuries Trayvon inflicted upon Zimmerman before he was shot. Even that might be a stretch given that Zimmerman had blood on the BACK AND FRONT of his head and a broken nose as a result of the beating inflicted upon him.
But the DA, having overreached, brings this "star" witness in, who turns out to be more of a liability than anything else to the prosecution's case.
If you had to go to the jury now, Zimmerman is going to walk. Basically, my whole impression of her testimony was, "This is the best you got?"
One does not have to sustain any level of injury to claim self defense. One only needs to think that eminent harm is coming their way. George took a lot of injury prior to using his weapon.
P/S/ It was another bad day for the prosecution. All of their witnesses confirmed George's story. Also VNN put out his SSN and address on air. I think old George is going to be a 1%er after he gets done with all the media companies.
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Also during one of Zimmerman's recorded testimonies, he said Trayvon was reaching for his weapon. He said afterward he pushed Trayvon off of him got on his back and pushed his hands out to his sides.
I had wondered how Trayvon gotten his hands back under him since the media and social networks kept saying Trayvon died instantly.
I went to wikipedia for Zimmerman...in the autopsy section it says Trayvon probably lived a few seconds. In that time he could have pulled his hands under him.
Guess we have to wait for the coroners's testimony to know for sure.
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I think the very expensive lesson of this trial will be 'forcing a D.A. to prosecute a case when he or she feels there is inadequate evidence to do so is stupid - and in some cases dangerous.'
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Star Member Little Star (11,869 posts)
Who are the George Zimmerman trial jurors?
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geek tragedy (27,394 posts)
1. 5 white, one hispanic, zero African-American. Zimmerman is totally walking. nt
Little Star (11,869 posts)
3. How about B-51 who doesn't think Zimmerman did anything wrong? WTF?...
How the hell did she even get on the jury?
madaboutharry (21,272 posts)
4. "by being active on neighborhood watch."
She didn't say he didn't do anything wrong by shooting him.
Little Star (11,869 posts)
6. ok. But she was obviously wrong he killed a innocent kid.
Obviously.
dkf (33,899 posts)
5. No AA alternates even. Weird.
Maybe the prosecution is throwing the case. I would say the overcharging may also be in Zs favor.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023149469
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There's no men on the jury either. What about it, DUmmies?
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Why are they so racist in their fight against racism?
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Why are they so racist in their fight against racism?
How very Zen of you :D
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How very Zen of you :D
I know, right?!? I'm good. ;)
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Indeed. :-)
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Why are they so racist in their fight against racism?
The same reason they're sexist and racist when it comes to their "fight" for whatever -ism they're pushing. It isn't so much about elevating the individual as it is pushing the liberal agenda.
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It's pretty obvious why there are no black people on the jury. Most of them found him guilty five minutes after the news broke of the incident. They didn't care about the facts then, and they don't now.
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The DUmmies twisted themselves into knots profiling Zimmerman as a "white Hispanic".
The voir dire process gave them exactly that: a jury made up of a white Hispanic's peers, reflecting the ratio of Whites to Hispanics in the United States.
I think they'd be happy about it.
Paradoxically, the DUmmies would have only been happy if the jury was made up of six members of the Black Panther Party.
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Meet The Real Trayvon Martin: Evidence Emerges He Was A Drug Dealer And Gang Banger Who Punched A Bus Driver Just Days Before Allegedly Attacking George
http://patdollard.com/2012/03/was-trayvon-martin-a-drug-dealing-gangbanger/
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I am still waiting for the other shoe to drop. The shoe that Trayvon was in some way connected to the rash of burglaries that had been going on.