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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: franksolich on June 03, 2013, 02:00:18 PM
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022938181
Oh my.
My good pal Manny.
MannyGoldstein (21,571 posts) Sun Jun 2, 2013, 10:59 PM
The IRS sucks? Then we need more sucking!
The IRS spent $50 million on conferences from 2010-2012. Officeholders from both political parties say this is outrageous!, outrageous!, presumably because government employees are somehow different than employees in every other industry in the world, and shouldn't have conferences. Or something. And stuff.
The IRS's total budget was about $35 billion during that period. So the $50 million spent on conferences is about one-tenth of one percent of their budget.
And during those three years, the IRS collected about $7.5 trillion in taxes. That's right, the IRS's cost for collecting taxes is less than one-half of one percent of what's collected.
One-half of one percent.
Can you imagine if a private-sector business business was that efficient? PayPal charges about six times that much to collect money. And they're cheap compared to their competition.
I am reminded of what Lincoln said when told that Gen. Grant was a drunk: "Tell me what brand of whiskey that Grant drinks. I would like to send a barrel of it to my other generals."
I'm tired of the assholes in Washington beating up on government workers. On whole, they do an excellent job.
former9thward (6,505 posts) Sun Jun 2, 2013, 11:10 PM
1. Employers send in taxes.
The IRS does not go out and "collect it". If you work for yourself you do the paperwork and send in the money. The IRS is not out there knocking on your door collecting your taxes. So yeah when you have everyone else doing the "collecting" it is pretty easy to be "efficient".
To compare the IRS with Pay pal or anything else is ridiculous. The IRS has the force of law and the threat of prison if you don't comply. Pay pal's cost of doing business would be pretty cheap too if it had that power.
MannyGoldstein (21,571 posts) Sun Jun 2, 2013, 11:25 PM
3. The IRS has to go collect monies owed. PayPal simply denies the transaction if the funds don't exist.
Much easier to be PayPal, I think.
Nye Bevan (11,055 posts) Sun Jun 2, 2013, 11:38 PM
6. Hmmm. I've been simply sending lots of money to the IRS for the past umpteen years without any effort at all on their part.
After which my good pal Manny gets into it deeper and deeper.
The whole campfire's, which is a medium-sized one, is well worth reading in its entirety at the link above.
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And during those three years, the IRS collected about $7.5 trillion in taxes. That's right, the IRS's cost for collecting taxes is less than one-half of one percent of what's collected.
What about the cost to private business to comply with the IRS's rules and regulations? It costs them hundreds of billions of dollars year after year.
After all, it's not the IRS that's under the thumb of the federal government every year.
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MannyGoldstein
...presumably because government employees are somehow different than employees in every other industry in the world, and shouldn't have conferences.
They are different. Gov't employees get paid via tax income receipts of which, it can be said, is money I don't voluntarily pay, therefore they get no frills. That should be part of the job they need to just accept.
You're just a little bit of a gov't sucker there, manny. Which also means you're a sucker for other scams, son.
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Manny is a fighter. :rotf:
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I have to ask why .5% of budget spent on lavish conferences is great but 2% cutback on a 7% increase in total government expenditures is the end of the world?
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Nye Bevan (11,055 posts) Sun Jun 2, 2013, 11:38 PM
6. Hmmm. I've been simply sending lots of money to the IRS for the past umpteen years without any effort at all on their part.
Quit sending them the money and you'll see what effort they will use to get it.
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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #4)
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 11:36 PM
Nye Bevan (11,055 posts)
5. So how many baseball games per year should every government employee attend at our expense,
in order to keep "employee morale" sufficiently high?
Two? Six? Ten?
Perhaps business owners who are DUers could weigh in here. Do you find the morale of your employees falling to unacceptably low levels when you don't have them attend a certain number of baseball games at your expense?
Response to dsc (Reply #12)
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 12:01 AM
Nye Bevan (11,055 posts)
23. Why should average people who *never* receive a bonus
pay for IRS employees to get bonuses?
Some unknown unterprimitiven calls him a Teabagger, and tells him to go to Freeperland.
Response to abelenkpe (Reply #45)
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 01:45 AM
Nye Bevan (11,055 posts)
46. Oh no. Rumbled.
I guess "must approve of taxpayer-funded sports tickets and conferences for IRS employees" should be added to DU's Terms of Service.
Meanwhile, I await my banning.
Response to abelenkpe (Reply #45)
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 11:16 AM
cali (80,525 posts)
55. sorry, it is an outrageous use of taxpayer dollars
I thought so when I went on them and I think so now. and shove your teabagger crap back up the hole it came from, honey.
Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 12:15 PM
cali (80,525 posts)
62. I don't give a flying **** of it's 1/100 of a percent, honey. It's still real money
and these conferences are largely a bullshit waste of it.
it's pathetic that anyone would defend this kind of wasteful spending.
50 million dollars is a lot of money.
They were the only two with any common sense. The rest were just sheeple, having been given instructions to worship all that is government and its employees. No matter what.
Manny, outside of the DU bubble, do you really think the general public is buying what you're selling?
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Look who pops up.
Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 12:14 PM
nadinbrzezinski (120,795 posts)
61. Manny I am tired of those buying the crap from the car thieve :lmao:
Who wants to privatize everything
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Remember how the DUmpmonkeys mourned the "devastating", "catastrophic" cuts to Meals on Wheels?
The cut was 5% of the 35% of their funding obtained from the federal government, or less than 2% overall.
That program has been "cut" to only $760 million federal dollars, when it had expected $800 million.
My god, old folks will be starving.
Bring out your dead.
Yet that catastrophic cut was less than what IRS spent on these conference boondoggles.
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They are different. Gov't employees get paid via tax income receipts of which, it can be said, is money I don't voluntarily pay, therefore they get no frills. That should be part of the job they need to just accept.
You're just a little bit of a gov't sucker there, manny. Which also means you're a sucker for other scams, son.
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I'm a government employee and I will gladly accept the pay for the work I do. No frills needed, or expected.