nadinbrzezinski (120,624 posts)
On complaints on the media (http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022927803)
The latest kerfunkle, as usual, revealed the deep distrust in American media. Yup, it's real. People simply don't like reporters, we are evil (and apparently making six to seven figure incomes). Not just that, we are pampered.
Well, first off journos rarely make that much money. Do some journos make thatt pay? Absolutely, but most reporters do not.
But let's assume you are right...what are you doing to change it? I work in local INDEPENDENT media...and we go after stories that the big boys don't, or won't. Whether those are back country wild fires (this weekend has real potential), or the ever so exciting local boards. These boards are where a lot of decisions that directky affect you are made, even city councils, places that can be snoozers.
Here is the best part...those stories get poor readership. It matters little what you do with writing and photos. They just do not generate interest, and are boring...(which they tend to be, especially when they get technical)
When it is mentioned that this is not cheap, and the jeep does not run on sweet kisses, people turn around and go away. Why? It costs money, but don't bother asking for support. This brings me back to indie media. It exists, it works to bring you another perspective, but reporters are some greedy monsters raking it in... (http://www.democraticunderground.com/emoticons/sarcasm.gif)
Why do we worry about the AP spy case? Most AP reporters are not raking it in either. But it is how it will affect the willingness of sources to speak to reporters. It matters litte if this is the Grossmont Unified School Board, or the Julan Fire Board ( talk of local) or national security. I guess we will have to go back to unlit garages at three in the morning, and disposable phones. After all, we really should have the government approve negative stories on the government. Yup, that will really happen...
Now it looks like DOJ is thinking of going back to the rules put in place by the Church Committee after Watergate. I guess those are special rights or something.
Now let me bask in the glory of raking it in...NOT
Kali (33,985 posts)
1. kerfunkle?
Love the way you include yourself as a journalist. I think the wind turbine threads complete with blades traveling miles and cancer clusters, may have finally turned the tide on that charade for both you, your "editor," and your "publication."
Personally, I haven't seen anybody around here express dislike of (real) reporters or call them greedy monsters. Sounds like made up bullshit to me. Yes there is justified distrust of mainstream media and some of the "stars" that present "news" but including yourself with the serious independent journalists bringing real information to the public, and including them in with the big machine of mainstream media is just inane.
likesmountains 52 (2,884 posts)
2. I think it's a cross between a kerfuffle and a carbuncle...
Kali (33,985 posts)
8. the best I can conclude is this has to be some kind of performance art
sadly, I just don't think so.
Brickbat (14,488 posts)
3. Working for free isn't going to help anything. So don't tell yourself it is.
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Neither will getting your facts wrong, which you do regularly.
MineralMan (54,106 posts)
5. I'm afraid I don't understand what your post is about.
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Could you clarify? What is your complaint, exactly?
If you have a link to something that prompted this post, that might help.
MineralMan (54,106 posts)
7. After working as a full-time paid journalist for over 24 years,
I have never heard any journalist refer to him or herself as a "journo." The term is simply not used. I don't know anyone who uses that term. I've heard other journalists refer to poor journalists as "hacks." I've hear journalists simply use the word "writer" to describe themselves. Other terms are also in use, both positive and negative.
Journo? Never. Maybe the jargon has changed since 2004, when I stopped writing for publications. I doubt it.
nadinbrzezinski (120,623 posts)
On complaints on the media
The latest kerfunkle, as usual, revealed the deep distrust in American media. Yup, it's real. People simply don't like reporters, we are evil (and apparently making six to seven figure incomes). Not just that, we are pampered.
Well, first off journos rarely make that much money. Do some journos make thatt pay? Absolutely, but most reporters do not.
But let's assume you are right...what are you doing to change it? I work in local INDEPENDENT media...and we go after stories that the big boys don't, or won't. Whether those are back country wild fires (this weekend has real potential), or the ever so exciting local boards. These boards are where a lot of decisions that directky affect you are made, even city councils, places that can be snoozers.
Here is the best part...those stories get poor readership. It matters little what you do with writing and photos. They just do not generate interest, and are boring...(which they tend to be, especially when they get technical)
When it is mentioned that this is not cheap, and the jeep does not run on sweet kisses, people turn around and go away. Why? It costs money, but don't bother asking for support. This brings me back to indie media. It exists, it works to bring you another perspective, but reporters are some greedy monsters raking it in...
Why do we worry about the AP spy case? Most AP reporters are not raking it in either. But it is how it will affect the willingness of sources to speak to reporters. It matters litte if this is the Grossmont Unified School Board, or the Julan Fire Board ( talk of local) or national security. I guess we will have to go back to unlit garages at three in the morning, and disposable phones. After all, we really should have the government approve negative stories on the government. Yup, that will really happen...
Now it looks like DOJ is thinking of going back to the rules put in place by the Church Committee after Watergate. I guess those are special rights or something.
Now let me bask in the glory of raking it in...NOT
Star Member Kali (33,985 posts)
1. kerfunkle?
Love the way you include yourself as a journalist. I think the wind turbine threads complete with blades traveling miles and cancer clusters, may have finally turned the tide on that charade for both you, your "editor," and your "publication."
Personally, I haven't seen anybody around here express dislike of (real) reporters or call them greedy monsters. Sounds like made up bullshit to me. Yes there is justified distrust of mainstream media and some of the "stars" that present "news" but including yourself with the serious independent journalists bringing real information to the public, and including them in with the big machine of mainstream media is just inane.
Star Member likesmountains 52 (2,884 posts)
2. I think it's a cross between a kerfuffle and a carbuncle...
Star Member Kali (33,985 posts)
8. the best I can conclude is this has to be some kind of performance art
sadly, I just don't think so.
Brickbat (14,488 posts)
3. Working for free isn't going to help anything. So don't tell yourself it is.
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Neither will getting your facts wrong, which you do regularly.
Star Member MineralMan (54,106 posts)
5. I'm afraid I don't understand what your post is about.
Last edited Fri May 31, 2013, 03:01 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)
Could you clarify? What is your complaint, exactly?
If you have a link to something that prompted this post, that might help.
Star Member Rex (34,791 posts)
6. Why would America trust anyone that makes up bullshit instead of reporting facts?
This thread wins the Irony of the Year award. For many different reasons.
Star Member MineralMan (54,106 posts)
7. After working as a full-time paid journalist for over 24 years,
I have never heard any journalist refer to him or herself as a "journo." The term is simply not used. I don't know anyone who uses that term. I've heard other journalists refer to poor journalists as "hacks." I've hear journalists simply use the word "writer" to describe themselves. Other terms are also in use, both positive and negative.
Journo? Never. Maybe the jargon has changed since 2004, when I stopped writing for publications. I doubt it.
Star Member maddezmom (130,988 posts)
9. "...but reporters are some greedy monsters raking it in"
Where was this stated?
There are greedy people in the media like Alex Jones, Glen Beck, Rush and even a few that once were thought of well have jumped the shark like Woodward...but I don't think anyone is knocking legit media or journalist.
Your complaint about low readership of your articles may be routed in the fact they aren't interesting to people outside your area. The other fact is when articles aren't based in reality the readers tune out because they don't trust the said media or journalist.
Sorry ScubaGuy, but I got that posted before you did. :cheersmate:
It's all good.
I'm sure my own number of "topics posted" would be a couple thousand higher than it is, if I hadn't been half a minute behind so many others, in posting a campfire.
Kerfunkle...I think that's my favorite so far. I know we've got an ongoing list of her various careers (linguist should be one of those) but do we have a "Nadism" dictionary? Some of these are just priceless!
Cindie
Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)
Star Member SidDithers (27,254 posts) Fri May 31, 2013, 04:48 PM
13. Media who get it wrong are a bigger problem than media who are paid well...
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http://eastcountymagazine.org/node/8382
Sid
Sorry ScubaGuy, but I got that posted before you did. :cheersmate:
And here I thought she was gone to go get some crunchy news now that Eric holder wants to talk to the press but only if it's off the record.
She wishes she didn't know that shit.
Response to hrmjustin (Reply #21)
Fri May 31, 2013, 05:34 PM
nadinbrzezinski (120,658 posts)
22. Yeah they are
I know the local photog for AP and Reuters, as well as a coupe reporters.
They love what they do, but
GoneOffShore (11,152 posts) Fri May 31, 2013, 08:17 PM
34. And the hits just keep on coming.
But we all need a fantasy life of some sort.
And as I'm on the Iggy list, this won't be seen.
Kali (33,985 posts)
8. the best I can conclude is this has to be some kind of performance art
sadly, I just don't think so.
My poor, poor fellow pretend reporter. I think I'll play her game...
I watched a movie once then gave my opinion of it to a friend - I'm a film critic.
I replaced the windshield wipers on my vehicle - I'm a mechanic.
I put a bandage on a relative's cut - I'm a doctor.
I looked at the clouds and decided it may rain - I'm a meteorologist.
I caught some fish and give them to someone who paid me with a 'thank you' - I'm a professional fisherman.
I've mowed the grass - I'm a landscape specialist.
I've pointed out the constellation Orion to my wife - I'm an astronomer.
I've rowed a boat while fishing - I'm a boat captain.
I've visited native American archeological sites - I'm an archeologist.
I replaced an electrical outlet - I'm an electrician.
I've said that nadin is condescending - I'm a master of the obvious.
we are evil
we are pampered
the jeep does not run on sweet kisses
It costs money, but don't bother asking for support.
let me bask in the glory of raking it in
Zero pay, and the addled submarine rider has to foot the expenses.
Response to Skidmore (Reply #38)
Fri May 31, 2013, 09:29 PM
nadinbrzezinski (120,687 posts)
40. East County Magazine
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http://www.eastcountymagazine.org/
It is a local paper.
It is independent media.
Soon, we will be doing Radio
http://knsj.org/
Local public radio.
Oh and if you are ever in San Diego, follow viejasalerts on twitter. I do East county traffic and fire warnings every day
Pay is by piece...and incidentally, thank you weather and wind lords...I could just stay home. (Bad, as in real bad cold).
I know some folks don't believe it, but my husband and I are credentialed press, meaning we can get behind public safety lines to cover fires, for example. And to be honest, that is those folks problem.
I have posted articles here. Even an editorial or two, in fact
By the way, if you read the DUmp thread to the end, be aware that DUmmy hrmjustin is the nutcase's sockpuppet.
Sounds like someone asked Crazy Miriam for a little gas money and just got laughter.
Zero pay, and the addled submarine rider has to foot the expenses.
By the way, if you read the DUmp thread to the end, be aware that DUmmy hrmjustin is the nutcase's sockpuppet.
Response to hrmjustin (Reply #41)Fri May 31, 2013, 09:39 PM
nadinbrzezinski (120,688 posts)
42. We could not live from it,
But we have both won awards.
Response to hrmjustin (Reply #43)Fri May 31, 2013, 09:44 PM
nadinbrzezinski (120,688 posts)
44. Tom's photo was taken from the hip
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Literally. I won one on suicide. This year entering both for breaking news, I get a lot of that since I used to do it, and in photography.
Go, I wondered the same about hrmjustin, but unless one of the Abbotts set up a elaborate sock, he's just a mama's boy from the NY. What I wonder:
https://www.facebook.com/justin.allen.31521?fref=ts :panic:
any relation to skinner?
hrmjustin (9,849 posts) Fri May 31, 2013, 09:34 PM
41. I think it is great that you do this Nadin!
nadinbrzezinski (120,688 posts) Fri May 31, 2013, 09:39 PM
42. We could not live from it,
But we have both won awards.
hrmjustin (9,849 posts) Fri May 31, 2013, 09:41 PM
43. Well deserved I am sure!
nadinbrzezinski (120,688 posts) Fri May 31, 2013, 09:44 PM
44. Tom's photo was taken from the hip
Literally. I won one on suicide. This year entering both for breaking news, I get a lot of that since I used to do it, and in photography.
This one I took last year at Ranchita
after which a photograph
And it is still one of my favorites.
hrmjustin (9,849 posts) Fri May 31, 2013, 09:50 PM
47. That is a great picture my friend.
It capture a lot in one shot. You have a good eye!
nadinbrzezinski (120,688 posts) Fri May 31, 2013, 09:55 PM
48. This one, a week before was far more difficult to take
after which another photograph
Six tries, use the truck as a brace. But the other one I prefer
hrmjustin (9,849 posts) Fri May 31, 2013, 09:57 PM
49. No this one is very good yet very scary.
As I said you have a great eye.
nadinbrzezinski (120,688 posts) Fri May 31, 2013, 10:14 PM
50. This is one Tom took. A man fell down a well
after which a third photograph
This s during the rescue
hrmjustin (9,849 posts) Fri May 31, 2013, 10:16 PM
51. looks good!
Did you guys have to take a class on picture taking.
nadinbrzezinski (120,688 posts) Fri May 31, 2013, 10:19 PM
52. Tom did in the service
I did as an elective back in the dark ages, when you still used 35mm film and did work in black and white.
We have a secret. We take a lot of shots. The fire truck and smoke. The conditions were so bad that between the two of us we shot 100 photos, a low number, four were usable. We usually have a problem choosing the good ones.
He uses a full format, I use a kid's camera (Nikon 5100). It fits my hands. I can't reach all the controls on his.
hrmjustin (9,849 posts) Fri May 31, 2013, 10:21 PM
53. I imagine there would be a lot of bad photos.
Do you have to ware protective gear when you cover the fires?
nadinbrzezinski (120,688 posts) Fri May 31, 2013, 10:27 PM
54. Yup, nomex tshirt, nomex wild land fire coat and boots
If it's in the urban area, I'll be fine with hiking boots, but the heavy boots live in the jeep
I got a bandana with an activated charcoal filter. It helps.
hrmjustin (9,849 posts) Fri May 31, 2013, 10:29 PM
55. I am asthmatic so I could never do something like this.
nadinbrzezinski (120,688 posts) Fri May 31, 2013, 10:31 PM
56. I am crazy. It s very much under control
But I do carry my albuterol.
Why with a cold, it's a no-no
hrmjustin (9,849 posts) Fri May 31, 2013, 10:37 PM
57. Yea I know how it is. The rain lastweek was horrible on me and now the heat is just as bad.
nadinbrzezinski (120,688 posts) Fri May 31, 2013, 10:31 PM
56. I am crazy. It s very much under control
But I do carry my albuterol.
Why with a cold, it's a no-no
hrmjustin (9,849 posts) Fri May 31, 2013, 10:21 PM
53. I imagine there would be a lot of bad photos.
Do you have to ware protective gear when you cover the fires?
I agree with Cindie. We need a list of HER words. For posterity.
(http://flattdesigns.com/smokey/Bear%20on%20Camera.jpg)
Above : Nadin, Cub Reporter sets up 'the good rig'
I agree with Cindie. We need a list of HER words. For posterity.
(http://flattdesigns.com/smokey/Bear%20on%20Camera.jpg)
Above : Nadin, Cub Reporter sets up 'the good rig'
nadinbrzezinski (120,688 posts) Fri May 31, 2013, 09:39 PM
42. We could not live from it,
But we have both won awards.
nadinbrzezinski (120,688 posts) Fri May 31, 2013, 09:39 PMNutcase nadin's biggest award BY FAR is her 2011 DUmmy of the Year victory.
42. We could not live from it,
But we have both won awards.
nadinbrzezinski (120,688 posts) Fri May 31, 2013, 09:39 PM
42. We could not live from it,
But we have both won awards.
Well, I would think not since it's a volunteer position. The stupid is strong in this one.If DU had a stupid award, she would receive that retroactively.....
Well, I would think not since it's a volunteer position.
I think it's great that Sid keeps reminding them about the Jay Polk kerfunkle.
Which one of you has the masters degree in moling? :???:
Masters? How sweet. Our moles have PhDs.
She was on the verge of getting Crazy Miriam to pay part of her gasoline bill, but that fell through.
And, regrettably, the nutcase's journo and photog expenses aren't even deductible.
But at least she and the addled submarine rider have both won awards.
She got DUmmy of the Year, and he got a Good Conduct Medal.
I win awards too. Things like Employee of the Month and stuff... literally.