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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Mary Ann on May 30, 2013, 07:32:29 AM
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undergroundpanther (11,537 posts) Thu May 30, 2013, 03:27 AM
do we really need a money system?
I'm gonna say this,and I know some will think I'm crazy, but all I ask of you, is to try to look beyond this money system and into another way of being..
I think the world doesn't even need a monetary system .
And I think it would be far better off without one. really.
No need for money no need for the evil that comes from it.
Every single human being on the planet has a job to do,what gives the person joy,what fascinates him,what makes him curious or what he likes to build invent design.. He does his job and is compensated with every comfort man has made or will make in moderation. Humans like to make and create, think learn explore and invent it is in our nature.Man is entitled to what humankind creates together simply by being alive part of the human tribe, we all are entitled to all that humans manufacture design and create together. Some may produce more than others,regardless there is enough for all.Look at all the things that go to waste because not enough profit can be made off it.
If there was no need for profit how much would go to waste?
I do what ever it is I do,in return I have a decent home car T.V. kids pets and time to enjoy all that is in my pursuit of moderate happiness. There is enough.
Without money no one gets rich and no one has power over and equality is realized.
I think the banksters are scared to death if we fell out of love with money,if we realized as long as we love money more than life we are stuck playing this insane rigged token game that allows exploiters of humankind to 'modify our behaviors' .We are taught to fear telling the truth when a corporation hurts people, we are taught that saying no to a bully boss is wrong ,treating others with kindness will make us vulnerable, or sharing means we have less for ourselves..etc.. Our lives are dominated ,used up playing a sick token game that needs not even exist for human beings to be able to exist together.I think the token money game hold us all hostage, our lives,dreams,morality, by the love of money.
Just a thought.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022920665
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undergroundpanther
Humans like to make and create, think learn explore and invent it is in our nature.Man is entitled to what humankind creates together simply by being alive part of the human tribe, we all are entitled to all that humans manufacture design and create together.
How many of you liberal/progressive lumps do we have laying around everyday now wanting others to see to your every need? How many more would lay around and do nothing yet expect "their portion" if we're "entitled to all that humans manufacture design and create together?" Way too many, that's how much. You libs are lazy as it is. No reason to add fuel to the fire.
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In other words, this DUmmie doesn't want to do anything and expects to live comfortably.
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In other words, this DUmmie doesn't want to do anything and expects to live comfortably.
Yup.
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Every single human being on the planet has a job to do,what gives the person joy,what fascinates him,what makes him curious or what he likes to build invent design.. He does his job and is compensated with every comfort man has made or will make in moderation. Humans like to make and create, think learn explore and invent it is in our nature.Man is entitled to what humankind creates together simply by being alive part of the human tribe, we all are entitled to all that humans manufacture design and create together. Some may produce more than others,regardless there is enough for all.Look at all the things that go to waste because not enough profit can be made off it.
First of all, some one already thought this up and wrote a book about it. His name was Karl Marx.
Secondly, who is going to sweep the floors, clean the toilets, empty the trash cans because I don't see these activities and those like them to be something that fascinates people or makes them curious. I play in a band and I can tell you from experience that most every one wants to be the lead guitarist or singer and if everyone is a lead guitarist or singer then who plays bass and drums?
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...who is going to sweep the floors, clean the toilets, empty the trash cans...?
No Proglodytes, that's for sure.
And apparently they don't even want to pay to have someone else do it for them.
Proglodytes: they're lazy, demanding AND stingy.
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undergroundpanther (11,537 posts)
He does his job and is compensated
With what, DUmbass?
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The Subway Cat DUmmy.
It figures.
The bitch suckles from the teats of her hated mother and the taxpayers. She hasn't earned a dime in her miserable life.
She has no appreciation for the emotional value of 'earning'.
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I do what ever it is I do,in return I have a decent home car T.V. kids pets and time to enjoy all that is in my pursuit of moderate happiness. There is enough.
Subway cat, you don't have any of those things. You certainly do not have kids, and you most assuredly do not have happiness.
Usually her threads are completely ignored, but some people responded. One DUmmie keeled over mid-post:
Response to undergroundpanther (Original post)
Thu May 30, 2013, 05:15 AM
me b zola (17,398 posts)
10. Agree with you
My husband is a tinkerer/innovator. His skills are wasted at mindless jobs to pay our mortgage. We long to be free of this house in the city where we ca be free(er) to
The Castle of Arrrrrgh!
Even Crackers weighs in, but he misses the point of Subway's insane premise:
Response to undergroundpanther (Original post)
Thu May 30, 2013, 06:35 AM
graham4anything (9,400 posts)
25. I would get rid of paper money and coins. I myself only use $4 bucks a week in cash.
Everything else is credit card.
Paper money/coins are 100% antiquidated and there would be NO robberies if no one had any paper money.
get rid of it.
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graham4anything (9,400 posts)
Paper money/coins are 100% antiquidated and there would be NO robberies if no one had any paper money.
get rid of it.
Yeah, because no one ever gets robbed for anything other than money.
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They never stop to ask WHY every advanced civilization from Mesoamerica to ancient China and all points in-between that ever came crawling out of the caves used money and how the two facts are inextricably linked. They just assume it is an invention of greedy white people that was imposed on the rest of the world.
They only people who resent money are those who aren't worth a damn.
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Most people aren't particularly creative, and sustaining a society that can deliver the creature comforts the DUmmtard wants 'In moderation' for all involves doing a whole lot of shitty, dangerous, or unpleasant jobs nobody wants to do at all.
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The DUches have the logical thinking and maturity of a four year old.
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I do what ever it is I do,in return I have a decent home car T.V. kids pets and time to enjoy all that is in my pursuit of moderate happiness. There is enough.
UP has confused the 'pursuit of happiness' with that 'acquisition of happiness'. No one has a right to be happy, only a right to seek and hopefully find happiness. She is wanting a guarantee of happiness which doesn't exist in this world and it would suck if it did. In most cases what can't be lost gets taken for granted and in this case happiness would soon be replaced with boredom.
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Read this http://pjmedia.com/zombie/
or this http://pjmedia.com/zombie/page/3/ You have to scroll down to the "farm" the Occupoopers ummm.......ran?
Every single human being on the planet has a job to do,what gives the person joy,what fascinates him,what makes him curious or what he likes to build invent design.. He does his job and is compensated with every comfort man has made or will make in moderation. Humans like to make and create, think learn explore and invent it is in our nature.Man is entitled to what humankind creates together simply by being alive part of the human tribe, we all are entitled to all that humans manufacture design and create together. Some may produce more than others,regardless there is enough for all.Look at all the things that go to waste because not enough profit can be made off it.
Stupid beyond stupid. :thatsright:
EPIC FAIL DUmbasses.
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How many bongs, tie-dye T-shirts and baskets can the world use?
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Do you know who Underwear Pantler is sounding like right now?
(http://www.trbimg.com/img-5153ce3c/turbine/la-apphoto-tucson-shooting-records-jpg-20130327/600/474x600)
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How many bongs, tie-dye T-shirts and baskets can the world use?
Exactly.
I'm curious as to what this DUmmie would contribute.
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HMMM I wonder where this brain trust lives, I wonder if he'd change his tune if someone helped themselves to his "decent car, home, tv" after all everything is to be shared right?
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I'm gonna say this,and I know some will think I'm crazy
Yup.
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Well, Dori, here's your answer.
Response to CJCRANE (Reply #6)
Thu May 30, 2013, 05:23 AM
undergroundpanther (11,537 posts)
13. ...
I have something in my mind I want to create to put on canvas or see in beads,I do it for the joy of making beauty.
Beads.
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Well, Dori, here's your answer.
Beads.
Thanks :-)
So who do you suppose is going to supply her with the beads and thread? What if no one wants to make them?
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HMMM I wonder where this brain trust lives, I wonder if he'd change his tune if someone helped themselves to his "decent car, home, tv" after all everything is to be shared right?
Baltimore. And it's not a he. It's a, well, it's unclear what gender it is. It doesn't even know.
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HMMM I wonder where this brain trust lives, I wonder if he'd change his tune if someone helped themselves to his "decent car, home, tv" after all everything is to be shared right?
UGP was born female, but believes she is really a male panther trapped in a female body. With udders. She has had many, many dealings with the mental health system, but nothing seems to have helped her. She is at odds with most of her family, as well as with "bullies" which seems to be defined as anyone who disagrees with her and/or tries to convince her to live in a more socially acceptable manner. She is one of those pathetic individuals who alienates everyone around her. Nothing is ever her fault, and she has been a victim of something or other, ever since she was born. And lately, I think she is getting worse.
To her credit, one of my moles once posted a (true) story about a problem involving someone I know, and she replied in a very warm, concerned, and helpful way. At that time, I decided to boycott all threads making fun of her, because I saw a side of her I hadn't known existed. This time, I just couldn't help myself.
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If Obama quits printing money the Dummies would no longer have any monthly benefits.
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UGP was born female, but believes she is really a male panther trapped in a female body. With udders.
That was then, this is now.
The generous taxpayers of Maryland have since paid to have her tits surgically removed.
She is awaiting a taxpayer-financed dickontomy operation.
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Remember when she/he acquired a gay, male boyfriend? We didn't know what to think!
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There's only one good use for "beads" that I know of.
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undergroundpanther (11,537 posts)
He does his job and is compensated
With what, DUmbass?
Chocolate Unicorns and Skittles. Which, of course, will be the new money.
Taking the place of money......
Which we no longer need......
OK, these adolescents are giving me a headache again.
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How many bongs, tie-dye T-shirts and baskets can the world use?
So, in the fanciful (D)Umpconomy, 3 bongs, 3 tie-dye shirts and a basket will get me a new car?
:thatsright:
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She is awaiting a taxpayer-financed dickontomy operation.
Another name for it is an "addadicktomy" (nod to Rush Limbaugh).
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What we need will be doled out to us, Huh?
I do what ever it is I do,in return I have a decent home car T.V. kids pets and time to enjoy all that is in my pursuit of moderate happiness. There is enough.
You don't need that home. Here is a small apartment, and you only have to share a bathroom with 5 other families.
You don't need that TV. Here is a radio. It gives you music and govt approved news.
You don't need that car. Here is gov't provided mass transit. Besides, it's healthy to walk.
When you depend on govt to give you what you need. Your needs will be defined by the govt.
Welcome to your nightmare.
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Boils down to...Ugpee doesn't have any.
Nobody else should either.
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What we need will be doled out to us, Huh?
You don't need that home. Here is a small apartment, and you only have to share a bathroom with 5 other families.
You don't need that TV. Here is a radio. It gives you music and govt approved news.
You don't need that car. Here is gov't provided mass transit. Besides, it's healthy to walk.
When you depend on govt to give you what you need. Your needs will be defined by the govt.
Welcome to your nightmare.
:hi5: :hi5:
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:hi5: :hi5:
You're right. I dropped on his butt, too.
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Remember when she/he acquired a gay, male boyfriend? We didn't know what to think!
Nor did they.
It was like that limerick,
They spent all the night in a terrible fight
Over who would do what and to whom.
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Grab a hoe DUmbit...there are weeds to be killed if you want food.
I bet a summer long of growing its own food would shave a couple hundred pounds off the ****ed up parasite.
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WOO HOO!!! I get to ride my motorcycle, go SCUBA diving and travel for my work.
KC
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Spitfire of ATJ (7,523 posts)
40. All of our oldest archeological finds have shown our nature is to form communities...
....where even the least of us are cared for.
Right Wingers like to believe in the whole "survival of the fittest" crap (as if they would naturally win that contest) but that is NOT human nature. Greed is not a virtue and has not been the driving force of civilization.
I thought all RWers were Christo-fascist theocrats.
undergroundpanther (11,537 posts)
9. Why not just share what you have
with the people who need?
loli phabay (2,937 posts)
41. sounds good, but why would you toil twenty hours a day
To just feed someone who sits watching you and gives nothinh in return. If I was to supply you with food what services would you give in return and would they be valuable to me rather than just somethomg you want to do. Sorry buy a few beads or some pieve of your art might work once but not a lifetime.
magellan (12,580 posts)
60. Children give nothing in return.
Neither do sick partners, disabled siblings and debilitated old folks. Yet we all toil for one or the other at some point, because we love them, or at the least feel it's our duty to care for them.
Are the children of a single mother with a HS diploma and a minimum wage job of less value than those of a married couple who are both high earners? Capitalism says yes. A market based economy will always assign a currency value to people and resources. It rewards greed and punishes those who, for whatever reason, are unable to game the system in their favor.
We think that's a natural state only because its been imposed on us for so long by those at the top of the resource chain...but it isn't natural, or necessary. There's more than enough for everyone.
Capitalism does not value what you have. Only other people can do that.
So, try to impress them.
Socialism, OTOH, only values your productivity to the state. See: Mao, "Useless Eaters"
Silent3 (6,841 posts)
35. "Control land"? Really?
The people who most need to be controlled are the ones who least want to be controlled. They wouldn't go live in "control land", they'd come into your naive utopia and tear it apart. Simple "not tolerating" these intrusions be enough to stop it. Preventing them from happening would require police and/or military personal. Who is going to do that work instead of raising sheep or creating beautiful tapestries or whatever else you imagine your idealized populace doing of their own accord?
loli phabay (2,937 posts)
42. corruption wouldnt ne the main issue it would be laziness
Why would anyone work their ass off only to have people watchong them wanting the fruits of their labours.
hunter (16,228 posts)
111. People "working their asses off" is how we got into this mess.
No matter, nature always deals with innovative "hard working" species that experience exponential growth the same way, and it won't be pretty.
The "innovation" of money has caused one of the great mass extinction events in earth's history, and we are in the midst of it.
Next stop on this wild ride our civilization dies.
It will be noted by the survivors that money wasn't such a good idea.
We could probably bring this civilization down for a safe landing by creating a world of "lazy" people who walk very softly on the earth and don't have too many babies, but we won't.
Will that be "abstinence only" or will you have a massive pharmaceutical concern mass-produce BC as it is supported by equally massive infrastructure, engineering, construction, distribution, resource harvesting, manufacturing, servicing, support, healthcare, recreational recovery, education --
Well, ****, that pretty much looks exactly like the civilization you claim is dying.
This civilization will hit the ground nose first, engines at full throttle, and all the money in the world won't matter. There will be nothing left of it but a smoldering toxic hole.
It's what killed the dinosaurs.
You'd be amazed how much money they could hold in those little T-Rex arms.
It's happened before to other "successful" innovative species throughout the long history of life, and it will happen to us. We're nothing special just because we wear clothes. All the energy flows, all the resource flows, all the population curves look the same as all those other species that crashed.
Have a nice day!
Or I could just kill you and take your shit.
I have all the guns so I'd have twice the resources with half the population demand.
Douglas Carpenter (15,179 posts)
30. when the earth is owned by labor and there is joy and peace for all in the workers' commonwealth
that is to be. But for right now we need to concentrate on an agenda for a foreseeable future.
Real universal healthcare
You gonna *grow* and MRI machine?
A real economic security net
No.
You proglodytes would be the first to die because whoever didn't grow or hunt their dinner would starve.
Real representation for workers in management
Who needs representation in a perfectly egalitarian society?
Oh! Wait!
That's the bullshit job you're going to appoint yourself into so you don't have to work while you insist we support you because you represent us for some reason once greed, war, disease, etc have been eliminated.
An end to this unsustainable global military empire
If it's unsustainable why do you fear it?
The development of a more cooperative based economy and society
My economic model is very cooperative: you keep what you produce until you voluntarily agree to an exchange.
Even these ideas are revolutionary enough. Abolishing money, private property and the wage system are a bit farther down the road. But every step toward progress is a step toward the day when it will be possible to remove the last vestiges of class privilege. But for now let us concentrate on what is possible for the foreseeable future,
I think I'll just kill you and take your shit.
Not from greed but because you are a poison of tyranny and weakness.
"Join in the only battle where no one can fail. For though we fall and die our deeds shall rise and prevail." - William Morris
Him too.
*******ed pussies
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Every single human being on the planet has a job to do,what gives the person joy,what fascinates him,what makes him curious or what he likes to build invent design.. He does his job and is compensated with every comfort man has made or will make in moderation. Humans like to make and create, think learn explore and invent it is in our nature.Man is entitled to what humankind creates together simply by being alive part of the human tribe, we all are entitled to all that humans manufacture design and create together. Some may produce more than others,regardless there is enough for all.Look at all the things that go to waste because not enough profit can be made off it.
So, we're all happily doing what we want: writing blog posts sadly lacking any useful substance, looking for ways to acquire body parts we weren't born with, reading Kant, stringing love beads, painting squares on canvas as if they were the 2nd coming of Mondrian, growing pot, whatever. And because you're following your passion, whether said passion is useful to the whole community or not (the collective and their needs be damned) that same community should give you whatever comfort you believe you need.
But, despite the pollyanna-ish selfishness and greed, how will you get those big screen TV's, iPads, strap ons, dishwashers, maid services if everyone's following their "wants"? Why would I WANT to work on an assembly line making TV's and dishwashers (meaning I can only pretend to be Mondrian in my spare time), while someone else does totally useless shit all day long because "it makes them happy" gets the same compensation. Assembly line work is tedious, but necessary. It's the only way to crank out the quantity needed to make sure everyone gets whatever they want.
And then there's distribution. Let's say there's a family: 2 parents & 3 kids. Both parents work at jobs that help the community (one on an assembly making computer components and the other making soap...okay that won't help you but others might think it necessary). They've chosen a modest 3 bedroom home with a large backyard so they can have a dog & a cat, a small garden & maybe a few chickens. They're living their lives, doing their jobs so you can have a free laptop and suddenly, you come along and decide you want their house. You've decided you deserve a three bedroom house because your writing is so deep and profound. Besides, Blackie the Ghost Chicken has been complaining he doesn't have a big enough yard to haunt. There are only so many 3 bedroom houses to go around because who wants to pound nails in the hot sun all day long when they can be sitting at the beach writing (or pretending to write) poetry instead?
Or, what if this poor family has to suffer life in a studio apartment because some blogger following it's passion has equal claim to it's desires as people who actually work building those luxuries you think everyone should have?
Cindie
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One thing in its post got me very worried:
I do what ever it is I do,in return I have a decent home car T.V. kids pets and time to enjoy all that is in my pursuit of moderate happiness. There is enough.
I had always assumed that U.G.P's narcissism would extent to declining the opportunity to have children...the thought of it producing a litter fills me with dread.
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Heh ... sometimes the lunacy of people at DU just amaze me. I have been reading their (99%) mostly crap for about 2 years now. The only reason this paticular moron wants to get rid of all money systems is they seem to think it will provide some kind of "equality". Even if you "could" go to some kind of strictly barter system, wouldnt the items being bartered be considered "money" ? You would still have people who had more than others, who would be considered "rich" and did not want others to come in and take what they had worked for.
Oh first post here. I classify myself as an independent because I always look at both sides of the fence and make up my own mind about things. That being said, I usually fall on the right side of the fence in my decision, although I have been known to lean left at times.
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Oh first post here. I classify myself as an independent because I always look at both sides of the fence and make up my own mind about things. That being said, I usually fall on the right side of the fence in my decision, although I have been known to lean left at times.
Welcome to C.C.
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Proglodytes are motivated by ego.
They are convinced of their own superiority without having accomplished anything.
That they are incessant failures must then be blamed on others. They cannot blame themselves as they are superior.
That means the others must be liars and cheaters to deny them what they deserve since they are superior.
Hence the genesis of Proglodyte envy.
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Oh first post here. I classify myself as an independent because I always look at both sides of the fence and make up my own mind about things. That being said, I usually fall on the right side of the fence in my decision, although I have been known to lean left at times.
Hi, new guy.
We have an Introduction (http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/board,8.0.html) section. Go on over and tell us about yourself.
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Even if you "could" go to some kind of strictly barter system, wouldnt the items being bartered be considered "money" ? You would still have people who had more than others, who would be considered "rich" and did not want others to come in and take what they had worked for.
I don't think this particular DUmmie is interested in bartering. It wants to make pretty craft items when it feels like it, yet still wants everything handed to it/s/h. I wouldn't be surprised if this one spends a lot of time working on crafts at the hospital, as part of it's therapy.
A true barter system would be pretty much the same as money based on the principal of supply and demand.
By the way, welcome to CC. :)
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Surprisingly short and on track (Albeit still incredibly stupid) for one of subwaykitty's rants.
"I'm gonna say this,and I know some will think I'm crazy"
Um, everyone with any familiarity with your rants already doesn't just think, but KNOWS, that you're crazier than a s**thouse rat.
btw, notice how the kitty doesn't define what she means by "In moderation"? Would- be tyrants like her who use such terms never do.
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When some DUmmy talks about a barter system, I'm reminded of Swappigans (http://wegotthiscovered.com/tv/jokes-missed-arrested-development/3/) from Arrested Development.