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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Revolution on May 27, 2013, 12:21:20 AM
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OK, before I post the DUmmie OP, the way I want the game to work is thusly: Everyone (starting ith myself, obviously) lists a reason why OWS should be/stay gone. Should be easy enough. We have a plethora of evidence.
Star Member Ken Burch (31,257 posts)
Why would anybody who isn't a right-wing greedhead WANT OWS gone?
Clearly, if OWS and their influence were to totally vanish, there'd be nobody out there prepared to step up with any BETTER ideas or any better strategy.
Also, there's no reason to think a non-OWS, "leader-based" Left would still be radical at all or would have any more effectiveness. And all the "leader" does, in the vast majority of cases, is to water the program and the message down to nothing. That approach is doomed to failure, as is the insistence of having a single "media" face to alternative politics and economics. The "face" always gets co-opted and ends up deciding that the status quo is peachy keen after all...after which, the "face" ends up hanging out with Hillary in Davos.
If you disagreed with some of what OWS did, fine, offer critiques, propose a more detailed program, great, get it out there somehow. But remember...in early 2010, OWS was the ONLY group with an anti-corporate, anti-greed message that anybody anywhere was listening to-the only one that anybody outside the Left "chorus" was listening to.
Get rid of any sign that OWS was ever here, and we'd have no Left at all. OWS emerged because nothing else at all was working and nothing else at all was getting a widespread hearing for any progressive alternative to the status quo. Nobody else out there on the Left had anything going that mattered.
So don't wish for something that can't do the Left any possible good.
Without the "controversial" attention-seeking tactics OWS was using, we didn't have anything. And we'll go all the way back to that if those of you who hate on OWS get your way and banish it to the historical dustbin.
All "respectability" ever leads to is dilution and defeat.
Kenny's Thread (http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022906361)
That bolded line by Kenny is a pretty telling opinion, and actually says a lot about what he thinks of the left in general. (Minus OWS)
Onto the first reason.
1. They have no clue what they're talking about.
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Clearly, if OWS and their influence were to totally vanish, there'd be nobody out there prepared to step up with any BETTER ideas or any better strategy.
Um, OWS had no coherent ideas for what they stood for. Their basic message was "take from the rich and give to us".
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Um, OWS had no coherent ideas for what they stood for. Their basic message was "take from the rich and give to us".
Where's the #2 reason, Thundley?
Don't wreck my game! :tongue:
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Where's the #2 reason, Thundley?
Don't wreck my game! :tongue:
Reason number 2: Most of the filthy OWS hippies have outstanding warrants they need to be picked up on, prosecuted, and incarcerated for. The rest just need to finish dying of the drug resistant TB they were passing around those filthy encampments - in level 4 quarantine.
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3. If you have to make part of your camp a "rape-free zone," you have problems.
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4. Their "leaders" who were out there protesting "against the 1%", were members of the 1%!
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4. Rainboy boy. :loser:
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4. Their "leaders" who were out there protesting "against the 1%", were members of the 1%!
:cheersmate: I did notice on the films that the number of protestors wearing $150.00 sneakers and playing with their lap tops and high price electronics made up a good 2/3 of the encampments. Now these kids were about college age so someone was paying for their toys and education.
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Up Twinkles to this thread!
Yes, we should pay attention to people like this:
[youtube=425,350]qaVvzTyMcls[/youtube]
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Number this one however you wish.
The whole OWS movement is built upon the negative premise that the game is rigged against you and you can never win. That is never how a free people advance their own society. There's plenty of opportunity out there, you just have to keep your eyes open, your mind activated, and have a willingness to work hard. OWS is the antithesis of this as they want things given to them simply because they exist. Try as they might, no one is going to give you something for nothing (think "living wage"), and if they ever get the society they want, it will quickly fall apart as the producers in life will go off the grid and produce only for themselves, leaving the moochers to die.
To summarize it in one quick blurb, I would say:
#? - OWS's negative viewpoints are a dangerous premise for a healthy society.
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Number this one however you wish.
The whole OWS movement is built upon the negative premise that the game is rigged against you and you can never win. That is never how a free people advance their own society. There's plenty of opportunity out there, you just have to keep your eyes open, your mind activated, and have a willingness to work hard. OWS is the antithesis of this as they want things given to them simply because they exist. Try as they might, no one is going to give you something for nothing (think "living wage"), and if they ever get the society they want, it will quickly fall apart as the producers in life will go off the grid and produce only for themselves, leaving the moochers to die.
To summarize it in one quick blurb, I would say:
#? - OWS's negative viewpoints are a dangerous premise for a healthy society.
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Somehow I don't blame the kids, I blame the spineless parents that have not, or cannot object to their kids actions.
Example Peter Falk the actor. Too many of us we were very surprised when he cut off all support to his 22 year old daughter. He put her in college paid all her bills under the understanding she would live in a dorm room, not associate with drug users and get B grades. He bought her a sports car [kept it in his name] paid for her vacations and expensive clothing.
Came the time she demanded he pay her rent for an off campus apartment as she could not study in the dorm and her grades were dropping to C- . Peter found out she had moved in a boyfriend that had a history of drug dealing and her grades were still dropping. She was ready to drop out or be kicked out.
Peter came down on her hard, no more support for anything, she had to get a job, kick the boyfriend out, return his car and live a year on her own.
The pampered daughter took the next step and sued her own father. This was in California and the Court sided with his daughter. Reason, her father with all his money had to support her regardless of any agreement. The parent that could afford to support, educate, an adult child was duty bound to do so.
The reason Peter put restrictions on supporting her was religious, he was Catholic and there for went against her rights as an adult to choose her own faith and life style.
Every time I saw Colombo on TV I could not help but think how lucky I was to be by Hollywood Standards as poor as ditch dirt.
Poor folks can just kick an adult child out when their conducts becomes outrageous, the very wealthy have no such choice, either be sued or murdered by ones own children.
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Up Twinkles to this thread!
Yes, we should pay attention to people like this:
Nuts, you beat me to my up twinkles. :-) How about people like this?
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uE2M7g_IWSE[/youtube]
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I...uh...think we're on #7 whoever wants it. :rotf:
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Nuts, you beat me to my up twinkles. :-) How about people like this?
Holy shit, what the **** is that? :thatsright:
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Holy shit, what the **** is that? :thatsright:
My wish is that they both can go to a "marxist" country like china. I'd love to see the maoist apply for gender surgery there.
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Nuts, you beat me to my up twinkles. :-) How about people like this?
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uE2M7g_IWSE[/youtube]
Now you know my up and down twinkles video is better! :lmao: :tongue:
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Up Twinkles to this thread!
Yes, we should pay attention to people like this:
[youtube=425,350]qaVvzTyMcls[/youtube]
Watch it with the sound off and it looks like the coach of a gay softball team calling for a bunt.
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4. Their "leaders" who were out there protesting "against the 1%", were members of the 1%!
When it's all said and done, this is the essential truth. When you are trying to protest an unfair situation and you are in the upper 50% WORLDWIDE, well.....
...your message rings a little hollow.
Besides the fact that it is complete and utter bullshiite.
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Now you know my up and down twinkles video is better! :lmao: :tongue:
Yeah, it is. I was left holding the bag with maoist guy and rainbow shirt bum. :-)
Watch it with the sound off and it looks like the coach of a gay softball team calling for a bunt.
:rotf: You're right.
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First off the idiot OP missed OWS by a year and a half,it was 9/17/2011 when it first was crapped out of the sky.
The reason it went away and is gone is that they were nothing but vermin who wanted to party/riot and bitch about freebies they wanted.
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Stephen Bannon's excellent "Occupy Unmasked" was (possibly still is) on Netflix. If you have not had a chance to watch this I highly recommend it.
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And now, No. 5:
The Larch
The Larch
And now, No. 6
OWS was an astroturf movement from the start and they way they got a big crowd to Zuccotti Park by lying and promising/promoting a free concert by Radio Head, who are most likely a corporate entity. I didn't bother to nadin it but in my function as a trained historian who has followed the trends across the Rubicon many, many times, that is my impression of Radio Head.
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Ooh, this is a fun game!
I've got a few:
No. 7: They camped out in parks and other public areas that were supposed to be enjoyed by everyone, and left those areas looking like garbage dumps and smelling like port- a- potties (Being true, enlightened liberals and dedicated environmentalists, the Occupiers of course do not believe in such fascistic, right- wing concepts as cleaning up after themselves).
No. 8: To rebuke Burch's claim about how only evil right-wing boogeymen want OWS gone, there's also all the innumerable regular citizens who were adversely affected in a variety of ways by the Occupiers. Think of all the people who were prevented from going about their work and lives by the Occupiers blocking and backing up traffic for no good reason. Think of all the hardworking people who have to get up early to get to work and need as much sleep as possible to perform well, yet were barely able to get a wink of sleep due to the Occupiers' drum circles and other such noise code violations keeping them awake all hours of the night. Think of the working class people whose places of business were invaded and disrupted by the Occupiers (i.e. at a McDonalds, an Occupier came storming in demanding free food, and when the employees refused, he went into a seething rage, physically attacking a customer and smashing a register's credit card scanner). Something tells me none of those people shed a lot of tears when the Occupiers finally left their cities.
No. 9: The numerous and well- documented health code/ safety code violations present in the Occupy camps, which were breeding grounds for rats, lice, and a whole host of diseases. There's a reason why the public employees who cleaned up emptied OWS camps had to wear hazmat suits while doing so.
No. 10: Ever since OWS began really losing popularity around January of 2012, it was taken over by the more deranged and fanatical fringe elements of it who relied on increasingly radical extremist tactics (i.e. Members of Occupy Cleveland conspiring to bomb a bridge on May Day 2012, Occupy Oakland Patriarchy protesting AGAINST a conference designed around fighting against child sex trafficking, etc.) that further turned all sane American citizens against them. Burch praises OWS for not having a "Leader," but the problem is, with no leader to speak for a movement, any fringe nutjob can take the movement in any direction they want, which is exactly what happened with OWS and why its public support further plummeted.
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Sorry, Revolution, I gotta break the rules here. I want Occupy all over the place this summer.
Why? This time they will be directly across the street from Tea Partiers. No one can help but notice the difference.
The media is starting to crack. What could possibly give the upstart conservative blogosphere a jackpot of goofiness to talk about?
Even more, I want 'em in traffic. I want 'em hassling the good people as we go to work. And all of this should happen while the Tea Party can run ads of the major Dems praising these throwback hippy doofuses to the sky.
And then it's time for some anarchists to join the party. Let's replay the 1968 Dem convention over and over and over and over again, only this time on youtube, tumblr, facebook, twitter, 4chan, pinterest, and whatever the hell new site pops up between now and then.
The longer these fools are up front and center, the easier it is to draw an actual, logical comparison between them and the Tea Party, something that hasn't been done yet. Let's see it happen.
Bring 'em back. The Summer of (pepper) Spray is here!
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The rapes...drugs...prostitution...unsanitary living conditions and the degenerates that were hiding in there...nah...can't imagine why normal people would want OWS gone.
:whatever:
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The rapes...drugs...prostitution...unsanitary living conditions and the degenerates that were hiding in there...nah...can't imagine why normal people would want OWS gone.
:whatever:
Oh I don't think EVERYONE that shows up for a protest agrees with it.
I am not Normal People I guess, anytime there is a big protest be it a Naked bike ride to protest the cost of tea in Vermont, it is interesting to watch the loonies do their stuff. Gay parades are a hoot if one does not run into a relative marching.
Yes I did become interested in the 70's with the anti war marches in SF. Would take a picknick lunch to a hill to watch the hippies and police tangle. Just once when the wind shifted and all the pepper spray came in my direction did I wonder what the heck I was doing there.
I did drive to a site in Napa when all that free food was given as a ransom for Patty Hearst. All the big 18 wheelers loaded with food that the people receiving it were selling in the parking lot for $5.00 a bag to the White and Latino on lookers. A good deal for the onlookers, the poor got money for a nickel bag and the buyers had a weeks free grocery's.
I became addicted to watching all the foolishness of others in California. To this day on a limited budget these protests over most anything is just about the only free entertainment I can get.
This is like free admittance to a Zoo, all these exotic humans, reminds me of the old carnival freak shows that displayed deformed humans.
I say bring it on, especially in the summer when TV just has re runs and one gets tired of the beach.
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I for one don't want "OWS gone". They do a FINE job of showing us "1%ers" what they really want.
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Oh I don't think EVERYONE that shows up for a protest agrees with it.
I am not Normal People I guess, anytime there is a big protest be it a Naked bike ride to protest the cost of tea in Vermont, it is interesting to watch the loonies do their stuff. Gay parades are a hoot if one does not run into a relative marching.
Yes I did become interested in the 70's with the anti war marches in SF. Would take a picknick lunch to a hill to watch the hippies and police tangle. Just once when the wind shifted and all the pepper spray came in my direction did I wonder what the heck I was doing there.
I did drive to a site in Napa when all that free food was given as a ransom for Patty Hearst. All the big 18 wheelers loaded with food that the people receiving it were selling in the parking lot for $5.00 a bag to the White and Latino on lookers. A good deal for the onlookers, the poor got money for a nickel bag and the buyers had a weeks free grocery's.
I became addicted to watching all the foolishness of others in California. To this day on a limited budget these protests over most anything is just about the only free entertainment I can get.
This is like free admittance to a Zoo, all these exotic humans, reminds me of the old carnival freak shows that displayed deformed humans.
I say bring it on, especially in the summer when TV just has re runs and one gets tired of the beach.
Outstanding post H-5. What did you do with Vesta???
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The rapes...drugs...prostitution...unsanitary living conditions and the degenerates that were hiding in there...nah...can't imagine why normal people would want OWS gone.
:whatever:
Yep, the occupoopers went Detroit faster than democrats and unions.
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Yep, the occupoopers went Detroit faster than democrats and unions.
Occupy Detroit (http://www.occupy-detroit.us/), from the makers of "Why Bother?"