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Title: SC Secretary Of State Declares Sanford Winner.
Post by: Tucker on May 07, 2013, 07:37:22 PM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014477430

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Source: SC SoS site.

breaking....

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hlthe2b (47,179 posts)
1. As pissed as I am by this, I can just imagine how his ex-wife feels about this...

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South Carolina politics is just a moron-filled cesspool.

Only post so far.

To quote the bald dwarf. "And so it begins."
Title: Re: SC Secretary Of State Declares Sanford Winner.
Post by: EagleKeeper on May 07, 2013, 07:43:06 PM
As much as I disliked Sanford I just have to laugh that he defeated the Dem, this is going to be a great campfire.
Title: Re: SC Secretary Of State Declares Sanford Winner.
Post by: Tucker on May 07, 2013, 07:44:37 PM
As much as I disliked Sanford I just have to laugh that he defeated the Dem, this is going to be a great campfire.

Most likely 30+ campfires. Each one more important the any other one. It's the DUmmy way.
Title: Re: SC Secretary Of State Declares Sanford Winner.
Post by: Rebel on May 07, 2013, 07:46:05 PM
Are these ****ing idiots really getting on the social conservative kick with their past, and who they support? I mean, REALLY!!!!  :lmao:
Title: Re: SC Secretary Of State Declares Sanford Winner.
Post by: thundley4 on May 07, 2013, 07:46:39 PM
He cheated on his wife and his opponent had an arrest record. 
Title: Re: SC Secretary Of State Declares Sanford Winner.
Post by: Rebel on May 07, 2013, 07:49:29 PM
He cheated on his wife and his opponent had an arrest record. 

No one cared about the arrest record. She's a Prog. A Prog running on the SC coast.
Title: Re: SC Secretary Of State Declares Sanford Winner.
Post by: Undies on May 07, 2013, 07:51:06 PM
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BlueStater (2,951 posts)
5. This says more about the asshole voters in SC than anything else.

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The rest of the country laughs at them. They now have a disgraced, hypocritical adulterer as one of their congressmen and once again have shown their own hypocrisy and stupidity. They must be so proud.

Ted Kennedy anyone?  Bill Clinton?

Is this post a joke?
Title: Re: SC Secretary Of State Declares Sanford Winner.
Post by: Tucker on May 07, 2013, 07:58:37 PM
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aaaaaa5a (3,691 posts)
9. Remember, Strom Thurmond was elected here.

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With his record, what made anyone think South Carolinians would look poorly on Sanford?


The voter turnout so far was only 19%. This means only the political right showed up. This group is fueled by a love of the Confederacy and a hatred of women, the north, people who live on the coasts, and minorities.


She had no chance..

 :lol:
Title: Re: SC Secretary Of State Declares Sanford Winner.
Post by: EagleKeeper on May 07, 2013, 07:59:18 PM
Heh...from the mouth of babes.

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Response to onehandle (Original post)Tue May 7, 2013, 08:51 PM
 Kablooie (8,818 posts)
20. They probably are voting against the Democrat instead of for the Republican.
Title: Re: SC Secretary Of State Declares Sanford Winner.
Post by: Mr Mannn on May 07, 2013, 08:17:45 PM
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SansACause (51 posts)
2. I live in a slave state, too.

Nothing, absolutely nothing, is going to get these rednecks to vote for their own self-interests. Not even when the Republican candidate is someone as vile as Sanford.
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KoKo (69,269 posts)
34. But...there was DU Post..that Obama's Justice Department was Monitoring this Election!~

What happened...He won fare and square? So...it's good. No voter problems there and Eric Holder put his whole Justice Department on it (according to a DU Post here) so...it's good.

It's what the "People of SC" wanted. FAIR VOTE...Monitored by Obama Justice Department.

Hey...what can one do? It's all LEGAL!
Soooooo, its only a fair vote if the Rat wins? O
Title: Re: SC Secretary Of State Declares Sanford Winner.
Post by: jukin on May 07, 2013, 08:30:03 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

Suck it DUches.
Title: Re: SC Secretary Of State Declares Sanford Winner.
Post by: thundley4 on May 07, 2013, 08:39:12 PM
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SansACause (51 posts)
2. I live in a slave state, too.

Nothing, absolutely nothing, is going to get these rednecks to vote for their own self-interests. Not even when the Republican candidate is someone as vile as Sanford.

Who are the selfish greedy assholes?  Oh yeah, it's the DUmmies.  They only vote for their own self interests, (freebies), while we vote for what we think is better for the country as a whole.
Title: Re: SC Secretary Of State Declares Sanford Winner.
Post by: Delmar on May 07, 2013, 08:45:48 PM
(http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/i475/Delmar59/stephen-colbert-sad_zps9f022076.png) (http://s1095.photobucket.com/user/Delmar59/media/stephen-colbert-sad_zps9f022076.png.html)

Hey Stephen, why the long face?

 :rotf: :rotf:
Title: Re: SC Secretary Of State Declares Sanford Winner.
Post by: Tucker on May 07, 2013, 08:46:42 PM
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mountain grammy (1,467 posts)
27. Yep, there were many qualified Dems running last year. Military veterans, smart, good ideas, and

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they lost. Even with money, they lost. Gerrymandering has done its job. While we slept, Republicans rigged the system in their favor. That's their main mission whenever they get the chance, unlike Democrats who want to govern.

It's amazing that they choose to forget the gerrymandering that the democrat party has did in california. It's possible that they will never be another Republican elected to national office in that state.
Title: Re: SC Secretary Of State Declares Sanford Winner.
Post by: Tucker on May 07, 2013, 08:51:11 PM
Wow.

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Mr. David (23 posts)
46. Unverified election machines.

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Please do a complete hand count, and audit it. Sanford is a ****ing cheater, and South Carolina has shown its ineptiness to elect someone sane.

Sanford needs to face a lawsuit and ordered to concede the election because of the black boxes.

The stoooopid is strong with this one.
Title: Re: SC Secretary Of State Declares Sanford Winner.
Post by: Delmar on May 07, 2013, 08:55:26 PM
(http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/i475/Delmar59/sad-stephen_zps01b85148.png) (http://s1095.photobucket.com/user/Delmar59/media/sad-stephen_zps01b85148.png.html)

Buck up Stephen, it's not the end of the world.  Your sister might be a loser, but you've still got your award-winning television show.

 :crybaby: :bwah: :sosad:
Title: Re: SC Secretary Of State Declares Sanford Winner.
Post by: delilahmused on May 07, 2013, 08:57:02 PM
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Mr. David (23 posts)
46. Unverified election machines.

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Please do a complete hand count, and audit it. Sanford is a ****ing cheater, and South Carolina has shown its ineptiness to elect someone sane.

Sanford needs to face a lawsuit and ordered to concede the election because of the black boxes.

Bev has a sock puppet?

Cindie
Title: Re: SC Secretary Of State Declares Sanford Winner.
Post by: Delmar on May 07, 2013, 09:01:13 PM
(http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/i475/Delmar59/k-medium_zpsaeb9debc.jpg) (http://s1095.photobucket.com/user/Delmar59/media/k-medium_zpsaeb9debc.jpg.html)

Think back to happier times.
Title: Re: SC Secretary Of State Declares Sanford Winner.
Post by: Freeper on May 07, 2013, 09:04:36 PM
Nice to see some DUmmy tears once again.

Title: Re: SC Secretary Of State Declares Sanford Winner.
Post by: Delmar on May 07, 2013, 09:12:15 PM
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Response to onehandle (Original post)Tue May 7, 2013, 09:56 PM
Martak Sarno (5 posts)
69. Where was Obama?

Remember when a President actually took the time to do a little help out for a candidate for his own party? How many times did Obama visit South Carolina?

I'm sure his excuse will be he was concerned he might hurt her chances in a Red State. Uh huh!
Just like many of the Democratic candidates in 2010 he didn't campaign for.

Safe bet--golfing.
Title: Re: SC Secretary Of State Declares Sanford Winner.
Post by: thundley4 on May 07, 2013, 09:16:31 PM
Safe bet--golfing.

Doing anything he can to get Benghazi out of the news.
Title: Re: SC Secretary Of State Declares Sanford Winner.
Post by: dandi on May 07, 2013, 09:22:42 PM
To paraphrase Mark Twain, "The reports of the Republican Party's death are greatly exaggerated."

 :-)
Title: Re: SC Secretary Of State Declares Sanford Winner.
Post by: Vagabond on May 07, 2013, 09:26:26 PM
Mark Sanford has to have set the record for longest booty call ever.  So at least he has that going for him.
Title: Re: SC Secretary Of State Declares Sanford Winner.
Post by: A7X_foREVer on May 07, 2013, 09:43:11 PM
Their tears make me laugh
Title: Re: SC Secretary Of State Declares Sanford Winner.
Post by: GOBUCKS on May 07, 2013, 09:50:02 PM
To paraphrase Mark Twain, "The reports of the Republican Party's death are greatly exaggerated."
Well, anything is better than a democrat win, but they'll try their best with their partners in the media to make this embarrassing douchebag the face of the party.

At the very best, it's a damaging Pyrrhic victory.
Title: Re: SC Secretary Of State Declares Sanford Winner.
Post by: Texacon on May 07, 2013, 10:49:31 PM
WTH is a slave state?! What does that mean?  Are there master states over them?

KC
Title: Re: SC Secretary Of State Declares Sanford Winner.
Post by: jukin on May 07, 2013, 10:56:55 PM
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Response to onehandle (Original post)Tue May 7, 2013, 09:56 PM
Martak Sarno (5 posts)
69. Where was Obama?

Remember when a President actually took the time to do a little help out for a candidate for his own party? How many times did Obama visit South Carolina?

I'm sure his excuse will be he was concerned he might hurt her chances in a Red State. Uh huh!
Just like many of the Democratic candidates in 2010 he didn't campaign for.

So far 0bama is 0 and whomever he has tried to help. By 0 not being there is was a far closer race.
Title: Re: SC Secretary Of State Declares Sanford Winner.
Post by: DLR Pyro on May 07, 2013, 11:07:53 PM
WTH is a slave state?! What does that mean? 
dems are sore losers
Title: Re: SC Secretary Of State Declares Sanford Winner.
Post by: Skul on May 08, 2013, 04:33:57 AM
Interesting that you mention this part.
Well, anything is better than a democrat win, but they'll try their best with their partners in the media to make this embarrassing douchebag the face of the party.

At the very best, it's a damaging Pyrrhic victory.
Wandering around the DUmp, I found this....
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022813475

Wed May 8, 2013, 03:13 AM

 Are_grits_groceries (12,508 posts)

The silver lining with Sanford's win

 The SC GOP and the GOP as a whole now have a walking and talking hot mess on their hands.
 
Sanford will be catnip to the media so his face and antics will be news. Along with him will be his fiancé. That should make quite the picture at social gatherings. That will serve as a constant reminder to gawd and everybody about his prior shenanigans.
 
He is truly a wild card and crazier than a s***house mouse. Sanford will now believe that every idea he has should be made known and acted upon.
 
The SC Congressional Delegation members are gritting their teeth. They now automatically take a backseat to Markie.
 
As Sanford proves to be the latest poster child for the GOP, they know he will not be judged nearly as kindly by a national audience. He will suck up their oxygen right at a time when they are tryng to get away from his ilk.
 
They wanted him. They got him. Here's hoping he puts everybody on blast and is the gift that keeps on giving to his opponents.
Title: Re: SC Secretary Of State Declares Sanford Winner.
Post by: txradioguy on May 08, 2013, 05:22:54 AM
Safe bet--golfing.

Safer bet...he was asked to stay away.
Title: Re: SC Secretary Of State Declares Sanford Winner.
Post by: JohnnyReb on May 08, 2013, 05:36:14 AM
Sorry that the good folks in that district couldn't have sent you any better but things are what they are.....hey, Tim Scott did hold that seat...and he was black before he became a republican.
Title: Re: SC Secretary Of State Declares Sanford Winner.
Post by: miskie on May 08, 2013, 05:40:26 AM
I'm not sure that Sanford will be much of an 'embarrassment' regardless of how hard the media tries. Regardless of what I think about his behavior,  the simple truth is about half of marriages crash and burn.

If this doesn't become a habit with Sanford, I suspect it will be forgotten about by everyone save for his detractors.
Title: Re: SC Secretary Of State Declares Sanford Winner.
Post by: Tucker on May 08, 2013, 05:50:41 AM
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Response to onehandle (Original post)Tue May 7, 2013, 09:56 PM
Martak Sarno (5 posts)
69. Where was Obama?

Remember when a President actually took the time to do a little help out for a candidate for his own party? How many times did Obama visit South Carolina?

I'm sure his excuse will be he was concerned he might hurt her chances in a Red State. Uh huh!
Just like many of the Democratic candidates in 2010 he didn't campaign for.

Maybe he was afraid that he would be put in chains by slave masters.
Title: Re: SC Secretary Of State Declares Sanford Winner.
Post by: AprilRazz on May 08, 2013, 06:04:21 AM
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BlueStater (2,951 posts)
5. This says more about the asshole voters in SC than anything else.

The rest of the country laughs at them. They now have a disgraced, hypocritical adulterer as one of their congressmen and once again have shown their own hypocrisy and stupidity. They must be so proud.
But it is OK when something like that happens in a lib area.
(http://ionenewsone.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/marion-barry.jpg)
This guys groupies picked him up from prison with much fanfare and reelected him mayor.
But it is ok if a dim is smoking crack, with a hooker, on camera, in a city with a huge crack problem at the time. I am pretty sure his wife was ok with it. But he is a black dim so we all know that there is nothing to see here.
Title: Re: SC Secretary Of State Declares Sanford Winner.
Post by: Karin on May 08, 2013, 07:19:01 AM
^^^ Good point. 

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Sanford will be catnip to the media so his face and antics will be news.

No, I don't think there are going to be any "antics."  I think he'll keep a low, quiet profile.  He's not going to get any choice committee assignments.  He'll be as bland as my own congressman, who's nearly invisible. 

Yay for the Dem loss. 

Title: Re: SC Secretary Of State Declares Sanford Winner.
Post by: Mr Mannn on May 08, 2013, 08:06:44 AM

No, I don't think there are going to be any "antics."  I think he'll keep a low, quiet profile.  He's not going to get any choice committee assignments.  He'll be as bland as my own congressman, who's nearly invisible. 

Yay for the Dem loss. 


I agree.
But. The fact that Sanford with all his baggage still won by nearly 10% is very telling about the mood of the country. Normally a scandal like his would destroy a politician. When the voters saw the democrat alternative, Sanford won in a landslide. The more Obamacare bites, 1000+ page amnesty bills, gun grabbing, and 2nd term arrogance....maybe people are beginning to wake up. I hope so.

For me, I will chalk this vote up as a bright ray of hope.
Title: Re: SC Secretary Of State Declares Sanford Winner.
Post by: 67 Rover on May 08, 2013, 08:13:44 AM
I am sure they will feel the same way when Wiener runs for Mayor of N.Y. right?
Title: Re: SC Secretary Of State Declares Sanford Winner.
Post by: Chris_ on May 08, 2013, 08:18:18 AM
Someone else isn't happy about Sanford. :popcorn:
(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff68/kayaktn/sanford_zps1532481b.jpg) (http://s237.photobucket.com/user/kayaktn/media/sanford_zps1532481b.jpg.html)
Title: Re: SC Secretary Of State Declares Sanford Winner.
Post by: A7X_foREVer on May 08, 2013, 08:24:13 AM
I am sure they will feel the same way when Wiener runs for Mayor of N.Y. right?


My thoughts too
Title: Re: SC Secretary Of State Declares Sanford Winner.
Post by: Tucker on May 08, 2013, 08:25:49 AM
I am sure they will feel the same way when Wiener runs for Mayor of N.Y. right?

Their reasoning will be that Wiener has never advocated for fidelity whereas Conservatives believe in family unity. They will point out that Sanford is hypocritical while Wiener is not.

Convoluted reasoning is how they get from A to Z with nothing in between.
Title: Re: SC Secretary Of State Declares Sanford Winner.
Post by: Ballygrl on May 08, 2013, 08:27:25 AM
Megan McCain took a verbal smackdown at Twitchy, again she had to delete a Tweet :lmao:

I don't have a dog in this fight, but I'm happy that the Democrats got beat and Stephen Colbert got a smackdown.

http://twitchy.com/2013/05/08/lib-celebs-meghan/

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Meghan McCain ✔ @MeghanMcCain

Really republicans? We're gonna get behind Mark Sanford and claim gay couples will ruin marriage. This is why young people don't vote GOP!!!

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Kristin Chenoweth ✔ @KChenoweth

@MeghanMcCain youre right MM!!

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Meghan McCain ✔ @MeghanMcCain

@KChenoweth thanks girl, I'm so over this.

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Kristin Chenoweth ✔ @KChenoweth

@meghanMcCain me too. We have to stick together! :) u rock.

Oooooops

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Jennifer Weber @JennyPennifer

@MeghanMcCain @KChenoweth Yeah because we know the McCains (John 'n Cindy) are such shining examples of marital fidelity. #Not

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YOUR DADDY WAS AN ADULTERER MEGHAN: Meghan McCain: 'Any Republican who voted for Sanford but is against gay marriage bit.ly/YtdLr6—
Mary Forbes (@MaryForbes14)

http://twitchy.com/2013/05/07/meghan-mccain-any-republican-who-voted-for-sanford-but-is-against-gay-marriage-is-a-hypocrite/

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Hawk @HawkinsUSA

Right on @MeghanMcCain! I agree, we need less politicians who would have an affair then marry and more people like John McCai... oh wait...

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A. J. Delgado @missADelgado

.@meghanmcain -- the product of one man leaving his wife for a younger woman -- complains about Sanford. Who's the hypocrite now, Meghan?

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David Burge @iowahawkblog

@MeghanMcCain if it wasn't for politicians cheating on their wives, you wouldn't exist.

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Meghan McCain ✔ @MeghanMcCain

That's right, go apeshit on my feed, right wing extremists.

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Eric Kohn @iEricKohn

Hey, remember when @MeghanMcCain wrote "Forgive Mark Sanford"? Here: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2009/06/29/forgive-mark-sanford.html … cc: @EWErickson

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Meghan McCain ✔ @MeghanMcCain

My beliefs and opinions are always fluid and I often change my opinion as I grow and get older. Unlike people that never question anything.



Title: Re: SC Secretary Of State Declares Sanford Winner.
Post by: Ballygrl on May 08, 2013, 08:28:09 AM
Someone else isn't happy about Sanford. :popcorn:
(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff68/kayaktn/sanford_zps1532481b.jpg) (http://s237.photobucket.com/user/kayaktn/media/sanford_zps1532481b.jpg.html)

I just posted that too! :lmao:
Title: Re: SC Secretary Of State Declares Sanford Winner.
Post by: Rebel on May 08, 2013, 09:23:23 AM
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2009/06/29/forgive-mark-sanford.html

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Meghan McCain ✔ @MeghanMcCain

My beliefs and opinions are always fluid and I often change my opinion as I grow and get older. Unlike people that never question anything.

That's because you lack political conviction.
Title: Re: SC Secretary Of State Declares Sanford Winner.
Post by: 98ZJUSMC on May 08, 2013, 09:25:21 AM
It's amazing that they choose to forget the gerrymandering that the democrat party has did in california. It's possible that they will never be another Republican elected to national office in that state.

It's a (D)Umbocrat invention.  What the hell are they talking about?  I can think of 5-6 (at least) (D)Umbocrats who are barely qualified to flip my burgers,  much less hold political office.

and why isn't historian Blob correcting these factually challenged (D)Ummies (BIRM)?
Title: Re: SC Secretary Of State Declares Sanford Winner.
Post by: 98ZJUSMC on May 08, 2013, 09:26:13 AM
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2009/06/29/forgive-mark-sanford.html

That's because you lack political conviction.

Among other things.

(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff68/kayaktn/sanford_zps1532481b.jpg)

Iowahawk rocks.
Title: Re: SC Secretary Of State Declares Sanford Winner.
Post by: txradioguy on May 08, 2013, 09:32:31 AM
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2009/06/29/forgive-mark-sanford.html

That's because you lack political conviction a brain.

Fixed.  :-)

Oh and MM...it's not "extremists" going wild on your twitter feed...it's people with more than a 15 second attention span remembering what you've said in the past.  That is called accountbility.  AND the fact you lack that or refuse to be held to it..is a decidely Libtard trait.
Title: Re: SC Secretary Of State Declares Sanford Winner.
Post by: wasp69 on May 08, 2013, 10:41:36 AM
Someone else isn't happy about Sanford. :popcorn:
(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff68/kayaktn/sanford_zps1532481b.jpg) (http://s237.photobucket.com/user/kayaktn/media/sanford_zps1532481b.jpg.html)

 :lmao:
Title: Re: SC Secretary Of State Declares Sanford Winner.
Post by: Ptarmigan on May 08, 2013, 10:55:11 AM
SC Dem Candidate Colbert-Busch Already Has an Arrest Record
http://www.independentsentinel.com/2013/05/sc-dem-candidate-colbert-busch-already-has-an-arrest-record/

It was either an adulterer or someone with a criminal record. Though adultery is illegal in some states, it is rarely enforced.


The truth about the Sanford victory
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/05/08/truth-about-sanford-victory/

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Just as a Republican could never win Nancy Pelosi’s district, Nancy Pelosi helped Mark Sanford rally conservatives to his side in a very Republican district.

Elizabeth Colbert-Busch showed her shallowness on a number of issues, including not recognizing what “Toomey-Manchin” is in a very Second Amendment state.  (If Ms. Colbert-Busch is reading this, that would be the gun control measure that failed in the United States Senate)  

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Sanford, for all his personal faults, is a master of retail politics.  He opted for large, wooden, spray-painted campaign signs put in the front windows of local shops and the side of roads.  

He toured the district aggressively while the Democrat held meet-and-greets with rich donors.  

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They opposed Sanford, a strident fiscal conservative, in the primary and did not help him against the Democrats.  
Title: Re: SC Secretary Of State Declares Sanford Winner.
Post by: Ballygrl on May 08, 2013, 10:58:35 AM
From Twitchy:

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And dear ol’ dad not only cheated on wife number one, but Sen. John McCain opposes gay marriage and his PAC reportedly sent $2,500 to Sanford for Congress.

:lmao:
Title: Re: SC Secretary Of State Declares Sanford Winner.
Post by: Ptarmigan on May 08, 2013, 02:20:51 PM
Donna Brazile on Mark Sanford victory: ‘Women lose’
http://twitchy.com/2013/05/07/donna-brazile-on-mark-sanford-victory-women-lose/

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Donna Brazile        ✔
@donnabrazile

Sanford wins. Women lose.
8:14 PM - 7 May 2013

Playing the gender card.  :mental:
Title: Re: SC Secretary Of State Declares Sanford Winner.
Post by: DLR Pyro on May 08, 2013, 02:35:22 PM
Donna Brazile on Mark Sanford victory: ‘Women lose’
http://twitchy.com/2013/05/07/donna-brazile-on-mark-sanford-victory-women-lose/

Playing the gender card.  :mental:
besides the race card, it's all they got left
Title: Re: SC Secretary Of State Declares Sanford Winner.
Post by: Karin on May 08, 2013, 03:31:07 PM
The comments at the twitchy link are all good, and summarize all the loathsome behavior demokrat men have inflicted on women.  I liked this one, short & sweet:

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Steve_J • 18 hours ago
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A woman died and Ted Kennedy kept winning.
Title: Re: SC Secretary Of State Declares Sanford Winner.
Post by: thundley4 on May 08, 2013, 04:55:43 PM
I agree.
But. The fact that Sanford with all his baggage still won by nearly 10% is very telling about the mood of the country. Normally a scandal like his would destroy a Republican politician. When the voters saw the democrat alternative, Sanford won in a landslide. The more Obamacare bites, 1000+ page amnesty bills, gun grabbing, and 2nd term arrogance....maybe people are beginning to wake up. I hope so.

For me, I will chalk this vote up as a bright ray of hope.

FIFY