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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: dutch508 on May 05, 2013, 06:38:40 PM
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nadinbrzezinski (119,508 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022802897
Left wing libertarians.
I know, anybody mentions the L word and immediately Ron Paul comes to mind. Trust me, there are left wing Libertarians. I know one in the flesh and a few post here. The one I know in the flesh has no issue in admiring it. Heck, the word revolution comes out often.
What I find amazing is the contradictions in the political ideology. It s all also about the individual, but agrees with union rights, and higher minimum wage...and home schooling cause the schools are not teaching nothing.
It is amazing, but a window to a different way of thinking
What are they teaching then?
LostOne4Ever (162 posts)
1. Wouldn't a left wing Libertarian
Wouldn't a left wing Libertarian pretty much be a normal liberal?
Yeah... How can we tell the deference, oh mighty NADz?
nadinbrzezinski (119,508 posts)
2. Nope not at all
Last edited Sun May 5, 2013, 05:48 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)
On the bright side this is why the Libertarians will never get power in a major way.
Liberals are about us, libertarians are about me and I.
Another major difference, a liberal sees government as useful, libertarians mostly fear it
What? That makes no sense! So you are saying that Left Wing Libertarians are pointless? Or that theya re the same as normal leftists? Or that... oh, ****, who knows...
nadinbrzezinski (119,508 posts)
4. These folks do believe in things
Like the ACA, limited, and higher minimum wage. Their RW counterparts reject those two, for example.
Realize, liberals (classic) Conservative and Libertarian thought (again in the classic sense) come from the same ideological source in the 18th century
Oh, teach us more, oh mighty NADz!!
nadinbrzezinski (119,508 posts)
14. No, they are not anarchists
Though I would say this applies to a few extreme RW fanatics who hate all government. (Norquist is that you?)
What? Black Block are right wing?
nadinbrzezinski (119,508 posts)
17. You welcome
We are at a dangerous political moment where a lot of the classical references no longer apply. I mean my RW extremists in many ways are or have morphed into Anarchist radicals.
We are seeigna trend and close to crossing the rubicscon! Yup.
graham4anything (8,490 posts)
18. More and more since I first said it, it is an 80-20 world with the extreme fringe being 20
and the 20 being 10-15 republican, but 5-10 saying they are democratic
there is a big difference between the republican group in that they tend to vote for the rpeublican candidate for top office
whereas the democratic fringe NOT voting for the democratic candidate, but voting 3rd party and/or for the republican and then blaming the democratic people in office for 100% of lifes problems to them
It is getting more dangerous than any period in American history.
and probably the vast majority of the guns can be found in those 20%, and then they use the gun issue to get others on their side (much like Ron and Rand Paul and David Duke recruit people by using a sliver of an issue to corral them into their cult) and they use every single anti-government conspiracy theory to foister their extreme views and hatred
imho
I am confused.
80% are normal (being DU means leftists)
20% is extreme fringe? = 15% Republicans, 5% Democrats = Gun owners?
BUT 15% fringe REP vot REP and 5% fringe DEMS vote...Nader?
nadinbrzezinski (119,508 posts)
22. Very correct.
And I am glad you know this.
That is because classical liberalism has a lot in common with the classic forms of libertarianism.
WTF!?!?
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Nads the Incomprehensible
Realize, liberals (classic) Conservative and Libertarian thought (again in the classic sense) come from the same ideological source in the 18th century
What a word salad she tossed! :whatever: Pepito the Donkey down in Ensenada was especially fond of her salad-tossing ability.
Nads the Incomprehensible found the keys to teh Google again.
Some people call themselves "left-libertarians". "Left-libertarianism" is a misnomer, as it rejects the basic principles of classical liberalism (the basis of libertarianism): the natural rights of individual liberty (control of the self) and the right to possess and control one's own property, free and voluntary association, and free market capitalism.
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Fear my mole, for he is I. :tongue:
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nadinbrzezinski (119,508 posts)
2. Nope not at all
Last edited Sun May 5, 2013, 05:48 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)
On the bright side this is why the Libertarians will never get power in a major way.
Liberals are about us, libertarians are about me and I.
Another major difference, a liberal sees government as useful, libertarians mostly fear it
The bitch is crazy. No one is more about 'me' than the liberals. The liberal mantra is: GIVE ME! GIVE ME! GIVE ME!
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The bitch is crazy. No one is more about 'me' than the liberals. The liberal mantra is: GIVE ME! GIVE ME! GIVE ME!
No more to illustrate that, then the "Grate Omnimpotetent gNads".
Even her sock-puppets are getting annoyed.
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nadinbrzezinski (119,508 posts)
22. Very correct.
And I am glad you know this.
That is because classical liberalism has a lot in common with the classic forms of libertarianism.
WTF!?!?
She's not as wrong as usual on this, probably by sheer accident. 'Classical Liberalism' would actually mean in the days of the mid-18th to mid-19th Centuries, when it stood for elected governments over monarchies and despots, and stood for the individual rights of man (As in our Bill of Rights), a movement with definite threads to modern Libertarianism. Of course what 'Liberal' meant in those days has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with what Liberals stand for today, which is erecting government structures that would provide the Ever-Flowing Bowl of Celtic myth in benefits to layabouts, chiselers, class and race pimps, community organizers, and a self-styled Leftist intelligentsia who are too thoughtful to work.
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Yay, another lecture on politics from the nad. They are now talking about that silly political compass test, the one that's outdated and meant for Europeans to begin with, but how did I miss:
Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)
Sun May 5, 2013, 06:09 PM
sad-cafe (605 posts)
10. do you just type every thought that comes into your mind?
Really, what is the discussion you wish to get from this?
Response to sad-cafe (Reply #10)
Sun May 5, 2013, 07:37 PM
Brother Buzz (8,244 posts)
26. Gets boring sitting in a coffee house hoping for a long day of traffic collisions and medical aids
"hope I get a long day of traffic collisions, and medical aids"
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