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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: GOBUCKS on April 29, 2013, 03:47:07 PM
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Mon Apr 29, 2013, 02:38 PM
nadinbrzezinski (119,297 posts)
On Labor…and it’s[sic] Crisis
The role of the Union is to represent the interests of it’s[sic] members.†(West Coat activist with the SEIU)
“The Role of the union…is to represent the interest of the Working Class.†(South African Union leader)
Page ix of 304 of Solidarity Divided
This contrast is telling of the role of the Union and how labor sees itself in the US. In other places of the world labor sees itself as part of a movement to gain worker rights, not part of the middle class. This is not about a middle class lifestyle, but getting a safe work place, and decent pay, and respect from employers.
Outside the United States (and some of the First Word, such as Canada), this is a struggle between the owners of capital and workers. It is sounds somewhat revolutionary, for Americans it surely does, radical even. But current labor leadership in the US keeps losing not just members, but historic gains. I will say part of it lies in an uncomfortable truth, leaders have forgotten who they work for, and why.
No wonder the unions still growing, (SEIU for example) are doing such for a simple reason…the rank and file members come from countries where militant labor exists, which is not present in the US. But still leaders of these Unions are still trapped in the ideas that have led to the current failure of organized labor…and this is a reality.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022772453
God, I hate when DUmmies can't form a possessive pronoun.
The bug boy starts treading on thin ice, contradicting nadin:
Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)
Mon Apr 29, 2013, 03:40 PM
mike_c (31,443 posts)
1. I am a union leader and I beg to differ...
...with your comment that "leaders have forgotten who they work for, and why," although I honestly don't know whether my experience is typical or not. AND my union is an SEIU affiliate. But at any rate, the membership IS the union in my union, the California Faculty Association (SEIU 1983). The officers are ALL working faculty members. I do union work AND teach a full load of classes AND conduct my research AND mentor graduate students AND work in campus governance, etc, as do ALL the other CFA officers and activists. We do employ staff members at several offices around California but they have their own union, separate from CFA and with whom we bargain a contract independent of our own contract with the California State University.
So we (the union leaders) are not in any way separate from our membership. We are members, and any member can participate in union leadership if they wish.
Response to mike_c (Reply #1)
Mon Apr 29, 2013, 03:51 PM
nadinbrzezinski (119,297 posts)
3. Yup, you work for members, not the working class
This is part of the crisis Mike...
We, in labor, have forgotten, to try to accommodate with capital, who we work for.
That is the point of the authors...one I happen to agree with from looking at Labor's failure, and the surrender of the strike as a tool.
FYI, the two authors of solidarity divided have many years in labor.
Here, useful link
http://www.ucpress.edu/book.php?isbn=9780520261563
The crazy bald dwarf is part of "labor"? The crazy bald dwarf, who has never earned a dime outside her dozens of fantasy careers?
A hardcore communist chimes in:
Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)
Mon Apr 29, 2013, 03:51 PM
byeya (1,632 posts)
2. Too many unions are undemocratic in their structure and too many unions want to "partner"
with the bosses instead of oppose them and try to institute workplace democracy.
Response to byeya (Reply #2)
Mon Apr 29, 2013, 03:52 PM
nadinbrzezinski (119,297 posts)
4. Exactly
And it is time rank and file take over labor.
Nutcasee nadin is upset that unions are simply communist front organizations and not openly communist.
Mon Apr 29, 2013, 04:04 PM
nadinbrzezinski (119,297 posts)
6. My hubby's union is a perfect example
He has had to go around his local leadership to take on issues that affect him. Local leadership is the best union management could have or hope for
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Oh geezuz.
The cousin gives me diarrhea of the brain. Or something.
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Response to byeya (Reply #2)
Mon Apr 29, 2013, 03:52 PM
nadinbrzezinski (119,297 posts)
4. Exactly
And it is time rank and file take over labor.
The addled retired submarine chief is a postal worker. By law, his union can't strike, and has no bargaining power for wages or benefits.
What, exactly, is the rank of file of the postal worker's union going to do any differently from the current union leadership?
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Outside the United States (and some of the First Word, such as Canada), ....so Canada is a first word country....French or English.
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(http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6204/6081050457_24abef50ba.jpg)
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Outside the United States (and some of the First Word, such as Canada), ....so Canada is a first word country....French or English.
nadin gets the last word. No word on the First Word.
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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)
Mon Apr 29, 2013, 03:51 PM
byeya (1,632 posts)
2. Too many unions are undemocratic in their structure and too many unions want to "partner"
with the bosses instead of oppose them and try to institute workplace democracy.
Bullshit. Most unions if not all have a very adversarial relationship with the companies. Unions believe just what democrats in general do. If something is bad for the company, then it's good for the employees and vice versa.
More laws and regulations stifle business and hurt workers, yet the dems keep doing that and the unions keep voting for them.
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nadin gets the last word. No word on the First Word.
:-) :-) :-)
You know, I wish the blob was in charge of unions. They would evaporate in less than a month.
I already had a headache before I read her nonsense. Bitch made it much worse.
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I wouldn't let her be in charge of sunshine and lollipops. Both would be in danger as soon as she took over
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I would love to have some DUchebag explain to me what any union has ever done to help a company become more competitive or help it survive in the marketplace.
Picture a football team where they tell management that running backs will only take the ball 10 times a game, that defense will only play for 15 minutes every game, and that kickers will not attempt any field goal over 30 yards.
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Oh geezuz.
The cousin gives me diarrhea of the brain. Or something.
She's fully indoctrinated.
She wrote:
This contrast is telling of the role of the Union and how labor sees itself in the US. In other places of the world labor sees itself as part of a movement to gain worker rights, not part of the middle class. This is not about a middle class lifestyle, but getting a safe work place, and decent pay, and respect from employers.
Which is nadinese for:
Petite bourgeoisie (French pronunciation: ​[pÉ™tit buÊÊ’wazi]), also petty bourgeoisie (literally small bourgeoisie), is a French term (sometimes derogatory) referring to a social class comprising semi-autonomous peasantry and small-scale merchants whose politico-economic ideological stance is determined by reflecting that of a haute (high) bourgeoisie, with which the petite bourgeoisie seeks to identify itself, and whose bourgeois morality it strives to imitate.[1]
The term is politico-economic, and references historical materialism. It originally denoted a sub-stratum of the middle classes in the 18th and early-19th centuries. In the mid-19th century, the pre-eminient theorist of socio-politico-economy, Karl Marx, and other Marxist theorists used the term petite bourgeoisie to identify the socio-economic stratum of the bourgeoisie that comprised small-scale capitalists such as shop-keepers and workers who manage the production, distribution, and/or exchange of commodities and/or services owned by their bourgeois employers. [2][3]
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Historically, Karl Marx predicted that the petite bourgeoisie were to lose in the course of economic development. In the event, R. J. B. Bosworth suggested that they were to become the political mainstay of Fascism, which political reaction was their terroristic response to the inevitable loss of power (economic, political, social) to the haute bourgeoisie.[4]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petite_bourgeoisie
Note in the passage I emphasized how it comports with two of the Proglodytes favorite tropes about us:
1) we vote against our own best interests because we're dumb enough to think the 1% will allow us to join their country club and
2) all terrorist attacks are the fault of the Tea Party even if it isn't our fault. If we didn't set the bomb we provoked the bomb setters in to hating us
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bourgeoisie
If nadin tried to call them that, the only thing she'd get right would be the "b".
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If nadin tried to call them that, the only thing she'd get right would be the "b".
Yeah, if you spotted her the letter.
Her experience with petit bourgeoisie is limited to the guy who runs the Ensenada donkey show.
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Her experience with petit bourgeoisie is limited to the guy who runs the Ensenada donkey show.
The difference between nada and that guy is that I have some small amount of respect for the guy running the burro extravaganza.