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Title: Would you be willing to give up the 4th Amendment to stop guns?
Post by: Freeper on April 22, 2013, 09:45:33 PM
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FrodosPet (978 posts)

Would you be willing to give up the 4th Amendment to stop guns?

   
If the strictest gun registration or sales prohibition were passed, the reality is there are already hundreds of millions of guns in America. Realistically, the only way to get rid of the guns would be to literally sweep the country. Every closet, every attic, crawl space, shed, even hole in the ground can potentially hold a lot of guns.

In the interest of REALLY getting guns off the street, would anybody here be willing to surrender some of the protections of the 4th Amendment under the condition that the warrantless searches are ONLY for guns, and that the authorities have to ignore any drugs, papers, sex toys, stolen goods, etc that they may come across?

Me neither.

It's more important to focus on the culture and mindset of violence, and not just fixate the hardware of it.

http://sync.democraticunderground.com/10022734429

Well DUmmy it's like this, if we allow them to neuter the second amendment then they can disregard every other amendment all in the name of safety.
Besides if they throw out the 4th and search all of our houses it would be worth it to save just one life. Right?

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gcomeau (2,891 posts)
1. Ummm, no.

You don't have to get rid of all the guns overnight. You do it over time through attrition. You dry up the supply, every time an illegal weapon is confiscated in the normal course of police work it gets destroyed and not put back in circulation, etc...

Yes, that take a long time, but it works and you don't have to have the police kicking people's doors in across the country. Don't be silly. (And it *also* changes the culture. Again slowly, over time, but that's the only effective way to do that anyway)

This is how the left works, they know they can't get their way overnight so they always find ways to slowly chip away at our rights and then when the final blow comes everyone wonders how it happened.

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Robb (37,934 posts)
2. Absurd assumption there. Why "sweep up" at all?

Why not simply wait for people to break the law, and then charge them -- like we do with nearly every other law?

That is crazy talk at DU.

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rustydog (8,064 posts)
3. Absurd plain and simple

turn in your banned or restricted guns OR, WHEN you are caught with them or WHEN they are utilized, you will face serious punishment.
WHEN you try to buy ammo for the banned, restricted firearm, authorities will be notified and you get charged...There are several ways to go about this without the Big, evil Gubmint, Nazi takeover inferences.

 :mental:

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Warpy (68,469 posts)
11. The Fourth has already been gutted thanks to

the stupid war on drugs plus the war against terrorism. You should have said goodbye to that one by the late 80s.

As for giving up civil liberties in order to curtail a bunch of loonies with weapons of mass murder, it's a preposterous idea.

Just make them get liability and theft insurance on those things. They'll get turned in by the truckload.

Then let's make people get liability insurance for their speech.  :mental:

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Avalux (28,928 posts)
16. Good heavens. Your post is a bit extreme, isn't it?

No one is advocating for the confiscation of guns. Passing gun regulations must be done, and so must the way our culture views violence and weapons. Better yet - the way our culture values human life.

There is a lot of no ones then since a whole buttload of DUmmies want just that.
Hell most libs want that, but won't admit it so they can continue to slowly chip away at our rights.

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coldmountain (27 posts)
18. At this point, almost anything to beat gun terror

What good's freedom if you're dead

I'd rather be dead than to be a slave to the government.

Title: Re: Would you be willing to give up the 4th Amendment to stop guns?
Post by: delilahmused on April 22, 2013, 09:51:59 PM
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FrodosPet (978 posts)

Would you be willing to give up the 4th Amendment to stop guns?

   
If the strictest gun registration or sales prohibition were passed, the reality is there are already hundreds of millions of guns in America. Realistically, the only way to get rid of the guns would be to literally sweep the country. Every closet, every attic, crawl space, shed, even hole in the ground can potentially hold a lot of guns.

In the interest of REALLY getting guns off the street, would anybody here be willing to surrender some of the protections of the 4th Amendment under the condition that the warrantless searches are ONLY for guns, and that the authorities have to ignore any drugs, papers, sex toys, stolen goods, etc that they may come across?

Me neither.

It's more important to focus on the culture and mindset of violence, and not just fixate the hardware of it.

And here I thought I was being ironic...illustrating absurdity to show the absurd. Yet, here comes a DUmmie, being serious about it. Are sex toys illegal? I didn't know that.

Cindie
Title: Re: Would you be willing to give up the 4th Amendment to stop guns?
Post by: 98ZJUSMC on April 22, 2013, 10:01:42 PM
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It's more important to focus on the culture and mindset of violence

Mis-stated problems lead to useless, counterproductive and unenforceable legislation, (D)Ummy.  Amongst the reasons you will never, ever admit, lies both your answers and the solutions.   :hammer:
Title: Re: Would you be willing to give up the 4th Amendment to stop guns?
Post by: JohnnyReb on April 23, 2013, 04:15:45 AM
And here I thought I was being ironic...illustrating absurdity to show the absurd. Yet, here comes a DUmmie, being serious about it. Are sex toys illegal? I didn't know that.

Cindie

They should be. Women should be restricted to the same type of manually operated sex toys women were using when the constitution was written.

Hey, it's the same line of reasoning DUmmies and DUmmie womynz use for weapons.
Title: Re: Would you be willing to give up the 4th Amendment to stop guns?
Post by: txradioguy on April 23, 2013, 04:23:10 AM
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FrodosPet (978 posts)

Would you be willing to give up the 4th Amendment to stop guns?

Would you be willing to give up the third so I could occupy your house when I feel like it?
Title: Re: Would you be willing to give up the 4th Amendment to stop guns?
Post by: JohnnyReb on April 23, 2013, 04:38:13 AM
Would you be willing to give up the third so I could occupy your house when I feel like it?

Funny you should mention that....when the guns are gone that might be the way liberals plan to solve the problem of homelessness. Everybody gets a homeless person.
Title: Re: Would you be willing to give up the 4th Amendment to stop guns?
Post by: AprilRazz on April 23, 2013, 04:50:18 AM
And here I thought I was being ironic...illustrating absurdity to show the absurd. Yet, here comes a DUmmie, being serious about it. Are sex toys illegal? I didn't know that.

Cindie
Probably more of a zoning issue. You are not allowed to keep farm animals in a shoebox apartment in the city.
Title: Re: Would you be willing to give up the 4th Amendment to stop guns?
Post by: diesel driver on April 23, 2013, 06:20:35 AM
Let me get this straight:

FrodosPetMoron seems to think the cops would ONLY be looking for guns (which are LEGAL), and overlook anything else like drugs, kiddie porn, plans for world domination, etc. (which are ILLEGAL).

Yeah, right! 

 :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:  :lmao:

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Title: Re: Would you be willing to give up the 4th Amendment to stop guns?
Post by: Big Dog on April 23, 2013, 08:01:34 AM
Education for DUmmies who want to suspend the 4th Amendment:

This is a handgun:
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag72/conscave/naa_ranger_zps77c65760.jpg)

This is a bag of marijuana, which is illegal to possess under Federal law:
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag72/conscave/r_zps9e447832.jpeg)

Any search of your home, or that of your fellow DUmmies, thorough enough to find this:
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag72/conscave/naa_ranger_zps77c65760.jpg)

Will find this:
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag72/conscave/r_zps9e447832.jpeg)

How many of your fellow DUmmies are you prepared to sacrifice to the criminal justice system?

Unintended consequences, bitches.
Title: Re: Would you be willing to give up the 4th Amendment to stop guns?
Post by: FiddyBeowulf on April 23, 2013, 08:10:10 AM
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rustydog (8,064 posts)
3. Absurd plain and simple

turn in your banned or restricted guns OR, WHEN you are caught with them or WHEN they are utilized, you will face serious punishment.
WHEN you try to buy ammo for the banned, restricted firearm, authorities will be notified and you get charged...There are several ways to go about this without the Big, evil Gubmint, Nazi takeover inferences.
DUmmie must think certain guns can only shoot one caliber of ammo. Sad thing is there are people making gun laws using the same sort of logic.
Title: Re: Would you be willing to give up the 4th Amendment to stop guns?
Post by: diesel driver on April 23, 2013, 08:13:56 AM
Education for DUmmies who want to suspend the 4th Amendment:

This is a handgun:
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag72/conscave/naa_ranger_zps77c65760.jpg)

This is a bag of marijuana, which is illegal to possess under Federal law:
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag72/conscave/r_zps9e447832.jpeg)

Any search of your home, or that of your fellow DUmmies, thorough enough to find this:
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag72/conscave/naa_ranger_zps77c65760.jpg)

Will find this:
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag72/conscave/r_zps9e447832.jpeg)

How many of your fellow DUmmies are you prepared to sacrifice to the criminal justice system?

Unintended consequences, bitches.

A search would find the pot long before the gun.  I don't think they've trained the "gun sniffing dog" yet.
Title: Re: Would you be willing to give up the 4th Amendment to stop guns?
Post by: NHSparky on April 23, 2013, 08:27:44 AM
Actually, dogs can and have been trained to find explosives and use that to find guns that have been tossed, etc.

DUmmies?  If you're willing to give up ANY freedom to take away freedom from another, you're no longer worthy of discussion.  Poof-begone.

Finally, every time you idiots propose something like that, gun sales skyrocket.  For every weapon you try to ban, ten more take its place.  Case in point, my pretty little Sig that I picked up not long ago.  Yes, ammo for it now is ridiculously expensive, but even that won't last forever.

Barack Obama wants to round up your guns, but all he's accomplished is being the best friend the gun companies have ever had.  60 MILLION weapons sold in the last five years, DUmmies.  Think about THAT.
Title: Re: Would you be willing to give up the 4th Amendment to stop guns?
Post by: DefiantSix on April 23, 2013, 08:30:05 AM
DUmmies?  If you're willing to give up ANY freedom to take away freedom from another, you're no longer worthy of discussion.  Poof-begone.


:werd:
Title: Re: Would you be willing to give up the 4th Amendment to stop guns?
Post by: DumbAss Tanker on April 23, 2013, 08:32:09 AM
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Robb (37,934 posts)
2. Absurd assumption there. Why "sweep up" at all?

Why not simply wait for people to break the law, and then charge them -- like we do with nearly every other law?

That's pretty much what we do about illegal gun use now, but it doesn't seem to satisfy you sonsabitches.
Title: Re: Would you be willing to give up the 4th Amendment to stop guns?
Post by: Big Dog on April 23, 2013, 08:38:41 AM
Actually, dogs can and have been trained to find explosives and use that to find guns that have been tossed, etc.

DUmmies?  If you're willing to give up ANY freedom to take away freedom from another, you're no longer worthy of discussion.  Poof-begone.

Finally, every time you idiots propose something like that, gun sales skyrocket.  For every weapon you try to ban, ten more take its place.  Case in point, my pretty little Sig that I picked up not long ago.  Yes, ammo for it now is ridiculously expensive, but even that won't last forever.

Barack Obama wants to round up your guns, but all he's accomplished is being the best friend the gun companies have ever had.  60 MILLION weapons sold in the last five years, DUmmies.  Think about THAT.

Sixty million and two, as of yesterday!

(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag72/conscave/birthdayguns_zps70c6a180.jpg)
Happy birthday to me, happy birthday to me...

Memorandum for King Hussein and his DUmmy sycophants- Molon labe, mother****ers.

Hi5 to you for the bolded quote, Sparky.
Title: Re: Would you be willing to give up the 4th Amendment to stop guns?
Post by: diesel driver on April 23, 2013, 08:49:34 AM
Actually, dogs can and have been trained to find explosives and use that to find guns that have been tossed, etc.

DUmmies?  If you're willing to give up ANY freedom to take away freedom from another, you're no longer worthy of discussion.  Poof-begone.

Finally, every time you idiots propose something like that, gun sales skyrocket.  For every weapon you try to ban, ten more take its place.  Case in point, my pretty little Sig that I picked up not long ago.  Yes, ammo for it now is ridiculously expensive, but even that won't last forever.

Barack Obama wants to round up your guns, but all he's accomplished is being the best friend the gun companies have ever had.  60 MILLION weapons sold in the last five years, DUmmies.  Think about THAT.

I thought of that after I posted, but finding a bag of pot or any other drug should be MUCH easier for a dog than finding a gun.

As far as Barry and gun sales, yep, he's been a gun dealer's best friend.  Count me in for 5 of those 60 million in the last 5 years, as well as renewing my CCW permit, my wife and step-son getting their CCW's, and spending a lot of Sunday afternoons sighting them all in.

Title: Re: Would you be willing to give up the 4th Amendment to stop guns?
Post by: JohnnyReb on April 23, 2013, 08:56:24 AM
Would you be willing to give up the 4th Amendment to stop guns? ....to stop guns from what?
Title: Re: Would you be willing to give up the 4th Amendment to stop guns?
Post by: diesel driver on April 23, 2013, 09:02:41 AM
Sixty million and two, as of yesterday!

(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag72/conscave/birthdayguns_zps70c6a180.jpg)
Happy birthday to me, happy birthday to me...

Memorandum for King Hussein and his DUmmy sycophants- Molon labe, mother****ers.

Hi5 to you for the bolded quote, Sparky.

Cool.  You can be like Chuck Connors in "The Rifleman" with that top one.   :-)
Title: Re: Would you be willing to give up the 4th Amendment to stop guns?
Post by: diesel driver on April 23, 2013, 09:06:20 AM
Would you be willing to give up the 4th Amendment to stop guns? ....to stop guns from what?

NO!

My 2nd Amendment rights PROTECT my 4th Amendment rights, as well as the other 8.

Title: Re: Would you be willing to give up the 4th Amendment to stop guns?
Post by: Wineslob on April 23, 2013, 09:20:27 AM
Would you be willing to give up the 4th Amendment to stop guns? ....to stop guns from what?


You know......shooting people..................all by themselves.
Title: Re: Would you be willing to give up the 4th Amendment to stop guns?
Post by: JohnnyReb on April 23, 2013, 09:23:46 AM

You know......shooting people..................all by themselves.

Right. The problem isn't guns, it's people that are the problem.
Title: Re: Would you be willing to give up the 4th Amendment to stop guns?
Post by: Big Dog on April 23, 2013, 09:29:04 AM
Cool.  You can be like Chuck Connors in "The Rifleman" with that top one.   :-)

I am going to call it my "Model 1892 assault rifle".  :-)

Part of my growing John Moses Browning collection. Keeping my eyes open for a P35 Hi Power and an Auto 5 shotgun.
Title: Re: Would you be willing to give up the 4th Amendment to stop guns?
Post by: Mr Mannn on April 23, 2013, 09:31:19 AM
It is rather revealing just how little regard socialists have for constitutional freedoms.
Title: Re: Would you be willing to give up the 4th Amendment to stop guns?
Post by: diesel driver on April 23, 2013, 09:33:09 AM
Right. The problem isn't guns, it's people that are the problem.

Bumper sticker material:

Guns Don't Kill People, I DO!
Title: Re: Would you be willing to give up the 4th Amendment to stop guns?
Post by: JohnnyReb on April 23, 2013, 09:33:56 AM
It is rather revealing just how little regard socialists have for constitutional freedoms.

They don't give a damn about constitutional freedoms......just free stuff that they don't have to work for.
Title: Re: Would you be willing to give up the 4th Amendment to stop guns?
Post by: JohnnyReb on April 23, 2013, 09:35:54 AM
Bumper sticker material:

Guns Don't Kill People, I DO!

 :lmao:

I might alter it a little for my own use.........

Guns Don't Kill People......but I will.
Title: Re: Would you be willing to give up the 4th Amendment to stop guns?
Post by: Undies on April 23, 2013, 09:41:00 AM
And here I thought I was being ironic...illustrating absurdity to show the absurd. Yet, here comes a DUmmie, being serious about it. Are sex toys illegal? I didn't know that.

Cindie

Our founders never envisioned a self-whirling TechTonic Dildo3000.
Title: Re: Would you be willing to give up the 4th Amendment to stop guns?
Post by: JohnnyReb on April 23, 2013, 09:42:54 AM
Our founders never envisioned a self-whirling TechTonic Dildo3000.

 :lmao: I'm feeling brave....Ima gonna go google that. :-)
Title: Re: Would you be willing to give up the 4th Amendment to stop guns?
Post by: BlueStateSaint on April 23, 2013, 10:41:47 AM
:lmao: I'm feeling brave....Ima gonna go google that. :-)

Tell us what you get for the results . . . :whistling:
Title: Re: Would you be willing to give up the 4th Amendment to stop guns?
Post by: 67 Rover on April 23, 2013, 11:51:40 AM
I am going to call it my "Model 1892 assault rifle".  :-)

Part of my growing John Moses Browning collection. Keeping my eyes open for a P35 Hi Power and an Auto 5 shotgun.

Auto 5 12ga or the "sweet sixteen"?  I have a sweet sixteen from the early fifties that is the prettiest to look at and a joy to shoot.  One benefit is that ammo is still not difficult to come by and is usually the only thing left on the shelves these days.
Title: Re: Would you be willing to give up the 4th Amendment to stop guns?
Post by: Big Dog on April 23, 2013, 12:07:49 PM
Auto 5 12ga or the "sweet sixteen"?  I have a sweet sixteen from the early fifties that is the prettiest to look at and a joy to shoot.  One benefit is that ammo is still not difficult to come by and is usually the only thing left on the shelves these days.

I'd go for a twelve, just to keep things simple. No problems with 12ga shells out here, and 16ga is too rare in this part of the country.

 :yum: at your Humpback.
Title: Re: Re: Would you be willing to give up the 4th Amendment to stop guns?
Post by: DLR Pyro on April 23, 2013, 12:09:05 PM
The feds say it is not feasible or logical to round up the 11 million + illegal aliens living in the U.S. and yet the DUmmies think they can and should round up the millions of guns owned by responsible and legal U.S. citizens. Talk about misplaced priorities.
Title: Re: Would you be willing to give up the 4th Amendment to stop guns?
Post by: USA4ME on April 23, 2013, 12:21:00 PM
Quote from:
rustydog

3. Absurd plain and simple turn in your banned or restricted guns OR, WHEN you are caught with them or WHEN they are utilized, you will face serious punishment.

WHEN you try to buy ammo for the banned, restricted firearm, authorities will be notified and you get charged...There are several ways to go about this without the Big, evil Gubmint, Nazi takeover inferences.

This is how stupid you primitives are.  If you are condoning "turn in your banned or restricted guns OR, WHEN you are caught with them or WHEN they are utilized, you will face serious punishment" and "WHEN you try to buy ammo for the banned, restricted firearm, authorities will be notified and you get charged," then you are automatically condoning "Big, evil Gubmint, Nazi takeover."

That's right, rustydog primitive, *you're* the fascist.

.
Title: Re: Would you be willing to give up the 4th Amendment to stop guns?
Post by: DumbAss Tanker on April 23, 2013, 12:54:44 PM
I'd go for a twelve, just to keep things simple. No problems with 12ga shells out here, and 16ga is too rare in this part of the country.

 :yum: at your Humpback.

Oh Hell yeah.  The Auto 5 and Remington Model 11 are my all-time favorite autoloading shotguns
Title: Re: Re: Would you be willing to give up the 4th Amendment to stop guns?
Post by: Big Dog on April 23, 2013, 01:09:17 PM
The feds say it is not feasible or logical to round up the 11 million + illegal aliens living in the U.S. and yet the DUmmies think they can and should round up the millions of guns owned by responsible and legal U.S. citizens. Talk about misplaced priorities.

Good point, and worth another DUmmy tutorial:

This is a handgun:
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag72/conscave/naa_ranger_zps77c65760.jpg)

This handgun is ~5 inches  long.

This is an illegal undocumented Democrat, illegally entering the United States, and the loyal dog he is leaving behind to almost certain death:
(http://www.pierretristam.com/images2/i07a/0405-wetbacks.jpg)

This illegal undocumented Democrat is ~66 inches tall.

Any search of Democrat neighborhoods thorough enough to find this:
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag72/conscave/naa_ranger_zps77c65760.jpg)

Will find this:
(http://www.pierretristam.com/images2/i07a/0405-wetbacks.jpg)

How many illegal undocumented Democrats are you willing to sacrifice, to confiscate firearms?
Title: Re: Would you be willing to give up the 4th Amendment to stop guns?
Post by: Ptarmigan on April 23, 2013, 03:15:15 PM
Stupid is really strong.  :mental:
Title: Re: Would you be willing to give up the 4th Amendment to stop guns?
Post by: miskie on April 23, 2013, 05:29:36 PM
Cool.  You can be like Chuck Connors in "The Rifleman" with that top one.   :-)

I hear it through the grapevine that Nads is updating the script for a whole new production. Suffice it to say, "The Riffledwarf" is sure to be a box office smash !