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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: SSG Snuggle Bunny on April 19, 2013, 08:38:13 AM
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They don't.
Max Baucus on Obamacare: "I just see a huge train wreck coming..."
Max Baucus, facing an election next year, suddenly is "very concerned not enough is being done so far. Very concerned."
In the following video Baucus grills Kathleen Sebelius on Wednseday April 17, 2013 on the implementation of the Affordable Care Act.
at 9:25 President Obama explains why he didn't fight for Single Payer.
"You've got this system that's already in place. We don't want a huge disruption as we go into health care reform where suddenly we're trying to completely re-invent one sixth of the economy.."--Barack Obama
If you want to see exactly what is wrong with Congress skip to 13;21 where Amy Goodman reveals the financial holdings of key congresspeople involved with "Health Insurance Reform".
Harry Reid: $50,000 invested in a health care index,
Judd Gregg=$560,000 worth of stock holdings in major health care companies
Family of Jane Harman: 3.2 million dollars in more than 20 health care companies
John Kerry: at least 5.2 million dollars in companies such as merck and eli lilly
Chris Dodd: Wife serves on the boards of 4 health care companies
Max Baucus:
As chairman of the Senate Finance Committee, Baucus called the first Senate meeting of interested parties before the committee to discuss health care reform, including representatives from pharmaceutical groups, insurance companies, and HMOs and hospital management companies. The meeting was controversial because it did not include representatives from groups calling for single-payer health care.
Advocate groups attended a Senate Finance Committee meeting in May 2009 to protest their exclusion as well as statements by Baucus that "single payer was not an option on the table." Baucus later had eight protesters removed by police who arrested them for disrupting the hearing.
Many of the single-payer advocates claimed it was a "pay to play" event. A representative of the Business Roundtable, which includes 35 memberships of health maintenance organizations, health insurance and pharmaceutical companies, admitted that other countries, with lower health costs, and higher quality of care, such as those with single-payer systems, have a competitive advantage over the United States with its private system.
At the next meeting on health care reform of the Senate Finance Committee, Baucus had five more doctors and nurses removed and arrested
Baucus has used the term "uniquely American solution" to describe the end point of current health reform and has said that he believes America is not ready yet for any form of single payer health care. This is the same term the insurance trade association, America’s Health Insurance Plans (AHIP), is using. AHIP has launched the Campaign for an American Solution, which argues for the use of private health insurance instead of a government backed program. Critics have said that Medicare is already effectively a single-payer system
Baucus has been criticized for his ties to the health insurance and pharmaceutical industries, and has been one of the largest beneficiaries in the Senate of campaign contributions from these industries. From 2003 to 2008, Baucus received $3,973,485 from the health sector, including $852,813 from pharmaceutical companies, $851,141 from health professionals, $784,185 from the insurance industry and $465,750 from HMOs/health services, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. A 2006 study by Public Citizen found that between 1999 and 2005 Baucus, along with former Senate majority leader Bill Frist, took in the most special-interest money of any senator
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Baucus
Uniquely American Indeed...
elleng (39,776 posts)
1. Looked in the mirror, eh, max???
babylonsister (143,755 posts)
2. Max Baucus is concerned about Max Baucus, period. nt
Honeycombe8 (17,536 posts)
3. Regarding the holdings & connections w/care providers...
the only one that concerns me is that Dodd's wife was on the board of several providers. That's different from investing.
Even average people with mutual funds in 401ks are invested in health care companies, no doubt.
Wealthy people are invested in literally every industry in the world. That's what investing is about.
The thing that affects this most, though, is the law that Reid & Senate (I think it was the Senate) that just reversed the law that required them to post holdings resulting from possible insider information. That is, we ALL knew what might happen to the health care industry. But Reid might know something the public doesn't know that affects say, the oil and gas industry, so he might move to sell his investments in that industry. That is illegal.
Kerry is soooo rich that I can't imagine he'd base a vote for a law on a few million dollars. That's like $50 to me. And Kerry knows that being diversified, no matter what Congress does, his investments are going to be affected in one way or the other.
Remember how the Little Tyrants were sure Iraq was about Cheney's Halliburton holdings?
They don't.
Lyric (12,289 posts)
4. I noted his name on the list of background check "Nays"
I guess I shouldn't have been surprised.
green for victory (576 posts)
10. He's preparing to be re-elected.
GoCubsGo (12,782 posts)
6. The only "train wreck" you are seeing is the one you look at in the mirror.
Useless jerk.
blm (89,501 posts)
8. Kerry was for public option, and actually for universal healthcare, so, why pretend he was a
part of the problem?
green for victory (576 posts)
11. I was just typing what Amy Goodman was saying...
not pretending anything.
a kennedy (6,906 posts)
9. I hate this guy........
not a Democrat at all in my book. Ugh.....
Actually, he is.
He wrote it.
You cheered it.
When SCOTUS upheld it you cheered again like Palestinians on 9/11...
...and for the exact same reason.
sendero (24,960 posts)
12. Oh gee really?
Who could have predicted that a 2600+ page piece of legislation with so many provisions that no one, not even the ostensible authors, could ever really understand it, would have potential problems?
The Tea Party, but you asshats were too busy fabricating charges of racism.
That's been my problem with ACA all along, it is TOO COMPLEX TO UNDERSTAND THE INTERACTIONS AND SIDE EFFECTS.
And no one really does so it is no surprise that folks are "worried".
bullwinkle428 (11,333 posts)
13. With "Democrats" like this, who needs Republicans?
You helped WRITE the ****ing thing, Baucus!!
This bill will get you plenty more Republicans in 2014 and they WON'T give you bills like this.
Cleita (64,055 posts)
14. He helped write the ACA from what I have heard.
These Repub...er not, flip flop and lie all the time.
Even when it's not our fault, it's our fault.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022707839
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And agan, which party was it that held both Houses of Congress when this was passed? And by a rather comfortable margin?
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Response to green for victory (Original post)
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 09:28 AM
Javaman (40,325 posts)
18. trainwreck for the repukes...
they could have been a part of this but they chose party over the people.
this will have such a long term positive effect upon the American people that the repukes are pulling their hair out over it.
:rotf: :mental: Repukes were LOCKED OUT OF THE ROOM, DUmbass.
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:rotf: :mental: Repukes were LOCKED OUT OF THE ROOM, DUmbass.
Yeah, we're the one's pulling our hair out while the author of the bill calls it a train wreck.
That's a true believer there.
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Response to green for victory (Original post)
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 09:28 AM
Javaman (40,325 posts)
18. trainwreck for the repukes...
they could have been a part of this but they chose party over the people.
this will have such a long term positive effect upon the American people that the repukes are pulling their hair out over it.
How the eff do you read that article and come to THAT conclusion?
Good Lord they are stupid.
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How the eff do you read that article and come to THAT conclusion?
Good Lord they are stupid.
It's not stupid if it's deliberate and malicious.
It's deliberate and malicious.
The Proglodyte knows ObamaCare is going to blow-up in the faces during an election year and the GOP will embed the shrapnel in a baseball and beat them around the head and neck with it.
They need an alibi and FAST!
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Yeah, we're the one's pulling our hair out while the author of the bill calls it a train wreck.
That's a true believer there.
When has DU been anything but true believers?