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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Freeper on April 18, 2013, 07:01:01 PM
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stopbush (11,330 posts)
Fancy That - Some RW Friends Of Ours Are Suddenly Supporters Of Obamacare
We're in our late 50s.
My wife was on the phone yesterday with a high school friend who gave her the bad news that her husband had not only lost his job - and with it, their health insurance - but that he wasn't feeling well, went to a doctor anyway and was diagnosed with a terminal illness. He has a few years to live.
The lady was freaking out because she believed that due to his diagnosis, they would not be able to get any insurance and would be facing financial ruin. My wife told her that under Obamacare, her husband couldn't be turned down for insurance. She had NO IDEA about that!
My wife had to hang up. A few hours later, she got a VM from her friend saying that they had gotten on the phone and had, indeed, secured health insurance for themselves. "You must be my lucky charm today" was the message.
These are old friends of my wife who always vote Republican, and who have in the past made mildly denigrating remarks about Ds of all sorts - Clinton, Obama. They're of the "we hate all those moochers" crowd, as both of them have had very long and successful professional careers, no kids, and a bank roll that allowed them to travel the world.
But when it all came crashing down for them - as it has for so many "moochers" in this country - it was Democratic policies that threw them a lifeline.
Fancy that.
http://sync.democraticunderground.com/10022703200
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thesquanderer (1,041 posts)
4. I thought no turn-down for PE conditions starts Jan 2014?
...and also, under current law even before Obamacare, PE conditions were okay if you had no lapse in coverage... which meant that the problem wasn't that someone who lost coverage due to a layoff wouldn't be able to get coverage, but rather, that it might be ridiculously expensive. I was under the impression that there's no change in any of that until Jan.
Oops :rotf:
leftstreet (22,033 posts)
5. How can he afford insurance if he lost his job?
That's great news for him, but they must still have some decent income?
calimary (30,365 posts)
9. Definitely. Do it gently, but seems to me a teachable moment has arrived.
And ABSOLUTELY offer a gentle reminder, as so eloquently put in the OP:
But when it all came crashing down for them - as it has for so many "moochers" in this country - it was Democratic policies that threw them a lifeline.
Offering gentle help connecting the dots will always be beneficial. NEVER a bad thing to have the veil (and the wool) lifted away from the eyes.
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Swamp Lover (390 posts)
10. Let them know that we voted for Obama because we love our country....
...and our countrymen!!!!!
You love the country so much that you want it fundamentally transformed into Europe. :mental:
SemperEadem (7,959 posts)
12. the thing is...
people like your wife's friend always have the attitude that there are "moochers" because given the same circumstances landing in their lives, mooching would be exactly what they would do. It's called projection.
It never crosses their minds that most folks who need Obamacare need it for exactly the very same reasons that they do at this moment in their lives--the difference being that now, they have to join the ranks of those who've been tossed on the garbage heap of society to shift for themselves and they're finding that just like those they've denigrated in the past, they would far rather have a job that paid enough for them to afford their own insurance so that they could face catastrophic illness costs without being turned out of their lives in exchange.
It's not news what the Affordable Care Act involved--all anyone had to do was to do a google search on it and go to the website and read up on it. No, the lucky charm is that the AFA exists for people like her; all she needed to do was to stop drinking the RW kool aid and being hateful... but karma is a you know what...
They really believe this shit. They honestly and truly believe that 0bamacare is going to make health care better. :banghead:
Spitfire of ATJ (6,676 posts)
18. I know someone who STILL rails against all things "Liberal",...
.....even though he's on Social Security and Medicare.
I pointed out those were Liberal ideas and the idiot didn't even know they were government programs.
This is what we get for electronic deposit.
They used to have to take this into the bank.
*picture of an old fashioned government check.*
Well DUmmy, you liberals have raided his paycheck his entire life so he is owed because he paid into it. What have you leeches done to earn anything ever?
These people are insane.
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My wife was on the phone yesterday with a high school friend who gave her the bad news that her husband had not only lost his job - and with it, their health insurance - but that he wasn't feeling well, went to a doctor anyway and was diagnosed with a terminal illness. He has a few years to live.
Let me guess. Did he work for Bain Capital?
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So far as I remember, social security and state run healthcare had its origins in the racial belief's of the 19th century kaiser. It had something to do with the Germans being racially superior so the state should take care of the trifles of life so the full flower of German superiority could bloom.
When times were good, I suppose it worked well enough but when hard times hit and more and more people were relying on the social welfare services, well, it led to quite a bit of strife.
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0bama told me in 2010 that I would pay less after the cACA passed.
In 2011 I paid more than 35% more.
In 2012 I paid more than 40% more. That includes the less than two week rebate I got.
This is not the "3000% less on our healthcare you are looking for."
I can't wait for 2014 and full implementation. It will be great if you think paying three times as much for 1/2 the product s great. However, I'm pretty compared to what will happen to medicare and there $750 billion haircut.
Why is tis $82B in cuts due to the sequester a heinous evil unknown in mankind's history so bad when a ten times cut in medicare a "SAVING" of medicare? I guess I will never know as I have reason.
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The rates are not even available yet for the ACA plans. :lmao:
Open enrollment starts in October and the states are not ready and the feds are not either.
The insurance exchanges for small businesses have been pushed forward another year.
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http://sync.democraticunderground.com/10022703200
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Oops :rotf:
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You love the country so much that you want it fundamentally transformed into Europe. :mental:
They really believe this shit. They honestly and truly believe that 0bamacare is going to make health care better. :banghead:
Well DUmmy, you liberals have raided his paycheck his entire life so he is owed because he paid into it. What have you leeches done to earn anything ever?
These people are insane.
You do realize that insane people all over the country are giving you the nasty eye and thinking, "we may be insane, but we ain't that fracking crazy!"
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I'm just glad that my wife's chemo will be completed this summer. It's been a rough year for her and she is still with us and doing well. If she had been diagnosed with cancer after 0bamacare kicks in in full, we would most likely be making her funeral arrangements.
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I'm just glad that my wife's chemo will be completed this summer. It's been a rough year for her and she is still with us and doing well. If she had been diagnosed with cancer after 0bamacare kicks in in full, we would most likely be making her funeral arrangements.
Glad the end is in sight. I will be keeping you two in my prayers. :)