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Title: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: Bainsbane on April 15, 2013, 12:38:47 AM
My point was the US has the highest homicide rate in the industrialized world, 1st work,  whatever you want to call it.  These statistics show as much.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
You'll need to sort that chart by rate, which it enables you to do.

A number of countries in the Global South have higher homicide rates, but none in Europe or other Ist world nations.  Russia's rate is higher.  It will amaze you to see all the nations lower than us, including Yemen, Libya, and India. 

Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: Bainsbane on April 15, 2013, 12:47:54 AM
If I wanted to mole, I wouldn't have used my DU name.  I wanted to confront you directly, so I did.  As. For asking nicely, before I came you had done nothing but insult me and then increased 100 fold the level of vulgarity once I posted.  Why you expect someone to be nice to you when you behave like degenerates is astounding. You justify abusing people because they exercise their democratic rights to free speech and vote differently from you?  It doesn't appear to me that most of you have any respect for democracy, the founding principles of our nation, and even yourselves.  Nothing I have said approaches the crass and vulgar comments you have directed at me. 
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: Bainsbane on April 15, 2013, 12:53:01 AM
Homicide rates per state, gun homicides per state for 2010. Like the other chart, this one is sortable.  It does not cover all gun deaths, accidents in particular.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States_by_state
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: Zathras on April 15, 2013, 12:58:36 AM
If I wanted to mole, I wouldn't have used my DU name.  I wanted to confront you directly, so I did.  As. For asking nicely, before I came you had done nothing but insult me and then increased 100 fold the level of vulgarity once I posted.  Why you expect someone to be nice to you when you behave like degenerates is astounding. You justify abusing people because they exercise their democratic rights to free speech and vote differently from you?  It doesn't appear to me that most of you have any respect for democracy, the founding principles of our nation, and even yourselves.  Nothing I have said approaches the crass and vulgar comments you have directed at me.  

(http://mybroadband.co.za/photos/data/500/People_Who_Care.jpg)

By the way the irony in your post is so thick you can cut it with a knife. You come from DU and complain about the way we've treated you for being liberal but come from a website that does the same 10 fold to those that do not go along with the hive mind that is DU. Hypocrisy, thy name is Bainsbane.
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: Bainsbane on April 15, 2013, 01:00:31 AM
Families.   The interesting thing about children born out of wedlock and divorce, both are higher in rural areas (red) than cities (blue).  So your beliefs and action don't correspond.

As for obfuscation, I can't answer someone's question when I don't even know what she means.  If she believes specific municipal policies have led to high murder rates in S Chicago, she should specify which ones she means.  She hasn't even said what she means by ideology.
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: Zathras on April 15, 2013, 01:02:14 AM
Families.   The interesting thing about children born out of wedlock and divorce, both are higher in rural areas (red) than cities (blue).  So your beliefs and action don't correspond.

As for obfuscation, I can't answer someone's question when I don't even know what she means.  If she believes specific municipal policies have led to high murder rates in S Chicago, she should specify which ones she means.  She hasn't even said what she means by ideology.

You still here? Don't you have a cult meeting to go to?
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: sybilll on April 15, 2013, 01:02:49 AM
THIS disclosure at the very beginning of that utterly laughable Wiki page strips it of any validity whatsoever:

List of countries by intentional homicide rate per year per 100,000 inhabitants. The reliability of underlying national murder rate data may vary.[1] The legal definition of "intentional homicide" differs among countries. Intentional homicide may or may not include infanticide, assisted suicide or euthanasia.[2]
 
Intentional homicide demographics are affected by changes in trauma care, leading to changed lethality of violent assaults, so the intentional homicide rate may not necessarily indicate the overall level of societal violence.[3] They may also be underreported for political reasons.[4][5] Another problem for the comparability of the following figures is that some data may include attempts. In general the values in these lists should not include attempts except when mentioned otherwise.

Honest question. Do you DUmmies realize that anyone can, and does edit Wiki, and it is about as reliable as your astrology forecast?
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: Bainsbane on April 15, 2013, 01:03:54 AM
(http://mybroadband.co.za/photos/data/500/People_Who_Care.jpg)

Interesting since so many here have been talking about me.   If that's true and you really don't care, none of you will talk about me ever again because no one talks about people who don't interest them.  
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: Bainsbane on April 15, 2013, 01:05:05 AM
THIS disclosure at the very beginning of that utterly laughable Wiki page strips it of any validity whatsoever:

List of countries by intentional homicide rate per year per 100,000 inhabitants. The reliability of underlying national murder rate data may vary.[1] The legal definition of "intentional homicide" differs among countries. Intentional homicide may or may not include infanticide, assisted suicide or euthanasia.[2]
 
Intentional homicide demographics are affected by changes in trauma care, leading to changed lethality of violent assaults, so the intentional homicide rate may not necessarily indicate the overall level of societal violence.[3] They may also be underreported for political reasons.[4][5] Another problem for the comparability of the following figures is that some data may include attempts. In general the values in these lists should not include attempts except when mentioned otherwise.

Honest question. Do you DUmmies realize that anyone can, and does edit Wiki, and it is about as reliable as your astrology forecast?



Find a more reliable source and post it then.
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: Zathras on April 15, 2013, 01:07:28 AM
Interesting since so many here have been talking about me.   If that's true and you really don't care, none of you will talk about me ever again because no one talks about people who don't interest them.  

It's because of the absolute stupidity you bring here and the entertainment value it provides. It's really no surprise since you're a DUmbass and as we know you DUmbasses are about a sharp as a bowling ball and dumber than a bag of rocks when it comes to the real world.

And just be glad you weren't banned outright for being a liberal like they do to anyone who doesn't follow the hive mind like they do where you came from.
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: Zathras on April 15, 2013, 01:08:17 AM


Find a more reliable source and post it then.

You're the one posting the info....don't expect us to do your work for you.
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: Lacarnut on April 15, 2013, 01:13:52 AM
My point was the US has the highest homicide rate in the industrialized world, 1st work,  whatever you want to call it.  These statistics show as much.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
You'll need to sort that chart by rate, which it enables you to do.

A number of countries in the Global South have higher homicide rates, but none in Europe or other Ist world nations.  Russia's rate is higher.  It will amaze you to see all the nations lower than us, including Yemen, Libya, and India. 

Good. If only we could eliminate liberals, low IQ voters and wiggers. Gang bangers killing sprokets. Hang out in the hood and somebody is going to shoot your dumb ass.  :bawl: 
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: Bainsbane on April 15, 2013, 01:37:51 AM
You're the one posting the info....don't expect us to do your work for you.

I posted information.  You want to deny it because you don't like what you see.  I don't like it either.  The solution is to try to change the situation rather than denying reality.  The number one reason the US has such a high homicide rate is gun proliferation.  It is possible to do something about that while still protecting 2nd amendment rights.  Tell your representatives to quit rolling over for the gun lobby and put human life above profits by backing some common sense measures designed to keep guns out of the hands of criminals. 
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: Bainsbane on April 15, 2013, 01:41:05 AM
It's because of the absolute stupidity you bring here and the entertainment value it provides. It's really no surprise since you're a DUmbass and as we know you DUmbasses are about a sharp as a bowling ball and dumber than a bag of rocks when it comes to the real world.

And just be glad you weren't banned outright for being a liberal like they do to anyone who doesn't follow the hive mind like they do where you came from.

Because someone exercises their Democratic rights and holds an opinion that differs from yours, you call them a dumbass.  That doesn't say much for your own intellectual abilities.  I miss conservatives like William F Buckley who could engage in thoughtful discussion, was well read, had a keen mind, and didn't insult people who disagreed with him. 
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: Bainsbane on April 15, 2013, 01:42:02 AM
Good. If only we could eliminate liberals, low IQ voters and wiggers. Gang bangers killing sprokets. Hang out in the hood and somebody is going to shoot your dumb ass.  :bawl: 

Low IQ voters?  You really want to go there? 
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: Zathras on April 15, 2013, 01:43:10 AM
I posted information.  You want to deny it because you don't like what you see.  I don't like it either.  The solution is to try to change the situation rather than denying reality.  The number one reason the US has such a high homicide rate is gun proliferation.  It is possible to do something about that while still protecting 2nd amendment rights.  Tell your representatives to quit rolling over for the gun lobby and put human life above profits by backing some common sense measures designed to keep guns out of the hands of criminals. 

Heh heh, my representatives in DC are all Dems DUmbass and the only thing they care about is their own power, nothing more. They don't give a damn about me DUmbass nor do yours care about you, no matter what you think.
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: Bainsbane on April 15, 2013, 01:45:10 AM
Good. If only we could eliminate liberals, low IQ voters and wiggers. Gang bangers killing sprokets. Hang out in the hood and somebody is going to shoot your dumb ass.  :bawl: 

Funny you should mention the hood because some of the states with the highest homicide rates are in the South.
It's unfortunate you're more concerned with stereotype than facts.  
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: Bainsbane on April 15, 2013, 01:46:17 AM
Heh heh, my representatives in DC are all Dems DUmbass and the only thing they care about is their own power, nothing more. They don't give a damn about me DUmbass nor do yours care about you, no matter what you think.

And you think Republicans are different? What do you do in DC?
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: Bainsbane on April 15, 2013, 01:47:18 AM
Heh heh, my representatives in DC are all Dems DUmbass and the only thing they care about is their own power, nothing more. They don't give a damn about me DUmbass nor do yours care about you, no matter what you think.

In terms of power, you know your federal representative has none, right? 
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: Lacarnut on April 15, 2013, 01:49:48 AM
Low IQ voters?  You really want to go there? 

Sounds like the shoe fits in your case. You have been informed previously, quoting questionable sources like wikipedia is a sure fire indication of low intelligence. English must not be your first language.
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: Zathras on April 15, 2013, 01:50:43 AM
Because someone exercises their Democratic rights and holds an opinion that differs from yours, you call them a dumbass.  That doesn't say much for your own intellectual abilities.
 

What does it say about your intellectual abilities when you come from a website that does the exact same thing and then bitch about us doing the same thing as that nest of oxygen thieves that you call comrade does. Hypocrisy, thy name is Bainsbane.

Oh and DUmbass comes from Democrat Underground message board and the symbol of your political party, an ass...DUmbass, get it?
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: Bainsbane on April 15, 2013, 01:54:19 AM
MN Education.  Republican Gov Tim Pawlenty single handed destroyed MN's education rankings.  For the last year he determined the state budget entirely by himself, but long before then he had decimated education.  He took millions from the schools as part of a shell game to pretend he had balanced the budget.  The state is gradually paying back the money Pawlenty took.  Lesson:  Republican governor's who have an eye on the Presidency are terrible.  He treated the state as a pawn in his game to please the national GOP, and the only way thar us possible is to screw over Americans.  He ruined education and made it so that the wealthy actually pay a lower percentage in taxes than the middle class.  
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: Zathras on April 15, 2013, 01:57:31 AM
In terms of power, you know your federal representative has none, right? 

Keep thinking that DUmbass...whatever keeps you warm at night.  Who makes the laws? Who votes in taxes on the people? Not you or me DUmbass. It's our representatives who have that power, not little old you and me and they don't give a damn about us until it comes time to vote. Then they come promising the moon and the stars to the low information voters and, once they have bought their vote with shiny beads and trinkets, ignore the people that put them in power yet again.
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: Bainsbane on April 15, 2013, 01:59:36 AM
Sounds like the shoe fits in your case. You have been informed previously, quoting questionable sources like wikipedia is a sure fire indication of low intelligence. English must not be your first language.

You people love to attack sources but rarely have any of your own.  Look at exit polls from 2008 and 2012.  Those with advanced degrees overwhelmingly vote Democratic.  Over 90% of scientists are Democrats.  Polls show Republicans, in general, lack basic knowledge of the most basic science.  The problem is you only believe what suits your preconceived ideas and refuse to consider ant other information.  Wikipedia compiles information and says where their data come from. Those charts give the original sources.  You can easily check them out yourselves.  The lazy I don't like your source comment shows you have nothing to contribute.
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: Bainsbane on April 15, 2013, 02:00:52 AM
Keep thinking that DUmbass...whatever keeps you warm at night.  Who makes the laws? Who votes in taxes on the people? Not you or me DUmbass. It's our representatives who have that power, not little old you and me and they don't give a damn about us until it comes time to vote. Then they come promising the moon and the stars to the low information voters and, once they have bought their vote with shiny beads and trinkets, ignore the people that put them in power yet again.

Are you telling me that you didn't even know than DC doesn't get a vote in the House or Senate?
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: Bainsbane on April 15, 2013, 02:03:09 AM
Sounds like the shoe fits in your case. You have been informed previously, quoting questionable sources like wikipedia is a sure fire indication of low intelligence. English must not be your first language.

Thanks for confirming you're completely incapable of advancing a substantive argument of any kind.  With each post you both confirm who the low information voters are.
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: txradioguy on April 15, 2013, 02:06:29 AM
MN Education.  Republican Gov Tim Pawlenty single handed destroyed MN's education rankings.  For the last year he determined the state budget entirely by himself, but long before then he had decimated education.  He took millions from the schools as part of a shell game to pretend he had balanced the budget.  The state is gradually paying back the money Pawlenty took.  Lesson:  Republican governor's who have an eye on the Presidency are terrible.  He treated the state as a pawn in his game to please the national GOP, and the only way thar us possible is to screw over Americans.  He ruined education and made it so that the wealthy actually pay a lower percentage in taxes than the middle class.  

And I'm sure you have a link somewhere that backs this up?

I mean after all you had to have learned how to cite your sources somewhere along the way to allegedly getting your PhD. right?
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: sybilll on April 15, 2013, 02:11:51 AM


Find a more reliable source and post it then.
If you really want it, I could give you an entire page of links to statistics which evidence that gun-free zones don't work, and the outcomes of gun banning are equally less successful.  But, I have another honest question. I live in a large metropolitan city that is riddled with gang related gun crimes and murders. Do any of you really think a lawless gang member will abide by any laws requiring background checks?  You liberals have pushed me to explore getting training to get a concealed carry permit, which I will do by the book, but if I were inclined, I could go to the south side of my city and procure an illegal gun within 15 minutes. How do you stop that?
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: txradioguy on April 15, 2013, 02:13:26 AM
You people love to attack sources but rarely have any of your own.

Pot..ths is kettle...you're black.



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Look at exit polls from 2008 and 2012.


How'd that exit poll strategy work for you in 2004?

How about we look at the exit poll results from 2010?

 
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Those with advanced degrees overwhelmingly vote Democratic.
 

Proof?

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Over 90% of scientists are Democrats.
 

Which means what?  That they'll lie and fudge data to advance a political agenda?  That they put ideology over the results of their research?


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Polls show Republicans, in general, lack basic knowledge of the most basic science.


Link?


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The problem is you only believe what suits your preconceived ideas and refuse to consider ant other information.


Projection.

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Wikipedia compiles information and says where their data come from. Those charts give the original sources.  You can easily check them out yourselves.  The lazy I don't like your source comment shows you have nothing to contribute.

When you wre getting your alleged PhD. would your professors have let you cite WikiPedia in your doctoral thesis as a credible source?  What about in your masters thesis?
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: txradioguy on April 15, 2013, 02:15:03 AM
Funny you should mention the hood because some of the states with the highest homicide rates are in the South.
It's unfortunate you're more concerned with stereotype than facts.  

Link?

I'm calling bullshit on this since Chicago is losing more people every month than we are losing soldiers in Afghanistan.
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: Lacarnut on April 15, 2013, 02:19:22 AM
MN Education.  Republican Gov Tim Pawlenty single handed destroyed MN's education rankings.  For the last year he determined the state budget entirely by himself, but long before then he had decimated education.  He took millions from the schools as part of a shell game to pretend he had balanced the budget.  The state is gradually paying back the money Pawlenty took.  Lesson:  Republican governor's who have an eye on the Presidency are terrible.  He treated the state as a pawn in his game to please the national GOP, and the only way thar us possible is to screw over Americans.  He ruined education and made it so that the wealthy actually pay a lower percentage in taxes than the middle class.  

That is what conservatives want. Everyone paying less taxes including the rich so that they will invest and start a new business resulting in more hiring. You are just too stupid or partisan to understand how the economy works.

The Obama economy is a complete failure with the rich taking their money offshore for fear that the government will steal it after they have already paid taxes on it. Why should they invest when Obama and Reid want to tax, tax and tax. These retards in DC do not understand that principal. FYI, many, many millionaires have left France. Same as here. You are probably not old enough to remember another tax that fell flat on it's face, and that was the luxury tax on expensive cars, boats and jewelry. The Feds took in less than half of the estimated revenues it projected and almost killed the boat builders in the northeast. Do you remember that? Dummie like you that adore your master Obama have not even seen the effects of Obamacare which will result in some groups paying 20 to 50% more on insurance premiums. Conclusion, I do not give a rat's ass what happening in MN. This dumb shit Obama and fools like you do not understand the downward spiral economic and social results his actions will place on this country. Yeah, you do sound like a low IQ Obama voter.  
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: txradioguy on April 15, 2013, 02:22:03 AM
Find a more reliable source and post it then.

Fine...you asked for it.

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In July 2012, The Guardian compiled a spreadsheet containing data on the number of guns per 100 people and the homicide by firearm rate for most countries around the world. However, both pieces of data were not available for each country. Eliminating countries with incomplete data sets leaves us with 107 countries to analyze. Here are the results:

(http://www.realclearscience.com/blog/firearmhomicide2.jpg)

You honestly thing Gun Free Zones work,

Here's three examples of why you're full of crap.

Pearl, MS

Aurora, CO

Newton, CT


Shall I continue?

Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: formerlurker on April 15, 2013, 05:30:25 AM
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MN Education.  Republican Gov Tim Pawlenty single handed destroyed MN's education rankings.  For the last year he determined the state budget entirely by himself, but long before then he had decimated education.  He took millions from the schools as part of a shell game to pretend he had balanced the budget.  The state is gradually paying back the money Pawlenty took.  Lesson:  Republican governor's who have an eye on the Presidency are terrible.  He treated the state as a pawn in his game to please the national GOP, and the only way thar us possible is to screw over Americans.  He ruined education and made it so that the wealthy actually pay a lower percentage in taxes than the middle class. 

I had no idea that governors had so much power.   Really, who knew?

Looking at Pawlenty's response to dismal Moody bond ratings (you know how much they love those one time revenue fixes to balance budget), I see the LEGISLATURE had no other choice.

That said, gutting services/education is what governors do.  See the tenure of Deval Patrick if you require further information.     
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: formerlurker on April 15, 2013, 05:50:44 AM
I will admit I didn't read much of this thread as anyone who truly brings Wikipedia as a source to an OP really doesn't deserve much of anyone's time.   That said, I did a google search that took all of 3 seconds to get this link:


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Annual homicides from firearms

According to the U.N. figures, the U.S. had 9,146 homicides by firearm in 2009. That year, Colombia and Venezuela both exceeded the U.S. total, with 12,808 and 11,115 firearm deaths, respectively. Three other nations topped the U.S. amount in the most recent year for which data is available: Brazil (34,678 in 2008), Mexico (11,309 in 2010) and Thailand (20,032 in 2000).

So the U.S. ranks high in this category, but not first. Even using the higher U.S. homicide figure of 11,493 in 2010 from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (cited here), the U.S. still doesn’t rank first internationally.

Annual homicide rate for firearms

Because the U.S. is so big, it's better to compare the frequency of firearm homicides per capita, usually expressed as firearm homicides per 100,000 in national population.

According to the U.N., the U.S. had 3.0 firearm homicides per 100,000 in population in 2009. But there were 14 other nations that had higher rates in 2009, primarily in Latin America and the Caribbean: Honduras (57.6), Jamaica (47.2), St. Kitts and Nevis (44.4), Venezuela (39.0), Guatemala (38.5), Colombia (28.1), Trinidad & Tobago (27.3), Panama (19.3), Dominican Republic (16.9), Bahamas (15.4), Belize (15.4), Mexico (7.9), Paraguay (7.3) and Nicaragua (5.9). Three other nations had higher rates in 2008: El Salvador (39.9), Brazil (18.1) and Ecuador (12.7).

So the U.S. doesn’t rank no. 1 when firearm homicides are adjusted for population.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jul/23/facebook-posts/the-us-is-no-in-gun-violence-is-it/

Which pulls information from the UN http://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/data-and-analysis/homicide.html


Murder by state/weapon (2010) - I don't know, seeing a lot of blue here:

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10tbl20.xls




Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: txradioguy on April 15, 2013, 05:53:32 AM
I expect her to call us stupid uneducated Republicans for refuting her Wikipedia "facts".
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: Big Dog on April 15, 2013, 06:35:57 AM


Find a more reliable source and post it then.

Ms. PhD,

Would you accept wikipedia as a source on an undergrad's paper? Would you accept wikipedia as a source for any serious purpose (business, government, or academic)?

You're sitting at the grownup table now, that DU bullshit won't fly here.
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: miskie on April 15, 2013, 06:40:37 AM
BB -

Alright, I'll play along.

The point of your post is to highlight the 'murderous' United States and its unrestricted 2nd amendment advocates, right ? Why don't you take a moment and look online and find out where the most murders are happening per capita in the United States.

-What you'll find is that nearly all of them are happening in 'Blue' cities in 'blue' states. Most of which already have tight gun control laws.

At which point you'll say something to the effect of "We need tighter gun regulation to stop the flow of guns from 'Red States' with lax gun laws into urban centers", right ?

Then Ill say this -

"What is so wrong with the education and social systems in blue states that the citizens don't understand firearm safety, and the ramifications of murder ? Are you suggesting that Democrats lack basic self-restraint, are unable to control themselves, and are far more likely to react with deadly force than the 2nd Amendment supporting 'rednecks' in conservative states and cities ? - That even with some of the toughest gun laws in the country, many blue cities are incapable of educating their citizens that gun violence is wrong ?

What absolutely classist - and dare I say RACIST - views you have. Most of the population in the most violent cities in America are minorities - and to suggest they are incapable of self-control - that they are incapable of following laws - that they are incapable of understanding the value of life - is deplorable. Shame on you."    

-Have a nice day.
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: JohnnyReb on April 15, 2013, 07:19:37 AM
I will admit I didn't read much of this thread as anyone who truly brings Wikipedia as a source to an OP really doesn't deserve much of anyone's time.   That said, I did a google search that took all of 3 seconds to get this link:


http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jul/23/facebook-posts/the-us-is-no-in-gun-violence-is-it/

Which pulls information from the UN http://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/data-and-analysis/homicide.html


Murder by state/weapon (2010) - I don't know, seeing a lot of blue here:

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10tbl20.xls


I did the addition in my head so I may be off a few.....10 or less....but I see hands, fist, feet, etc. out number riffles almost  2 to 1.... :tongue:
....and no mention of whether the riffles were assault riffles or not.
Riffles............................ 358

Hands, fist, feet. etc.........665

Out law hands, feet, fist, etc first then we'll talk about riffles.

I'm thinking Blue Commiefornia and red Texas have a large population of undocumented killers.
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: Vagabond on April 15, 2013, 07:30:50 AM
MN Education.  Republican Gov Tim Pawlenty single handed destroyed MN's education rankings.  For the last year he determined the state budget entirely by himself, but long before then he had decimated education.  He took millions from the schools as part of a shell game to pretend he had balanced the budget.  The state is gradually paying back the money Pawlenty took.  Lesson:  Republican governor's who have an eye on the Presidency are terrible.  He treated the state as a pawn in his game to please the national GOP, and the only way thar us possible is to screw over Americans.  He ruined education and made it so that the wealthy actually pay a lower percentage in taxes than the middle class.  

I got two words for you DUmbass......Martin O'Malley.  That Ass got into the Governor house claiming he "Would do for all Maryland schools what he had done for Baltimore's schools" as if it were some great thing.  In fact, test scores and student attendance in Baltimore got worse while he was there, but the liberal media never got around to mentioning that.  He balanced the state budget, not through judicious pruning, but by pushing the teacher's pensions on to the counties balance sheets and raising state taxes.  He refused to make cuts even when shown there was massive fraud going on in some programs.  Now, the education system falters, no jobs are effetively being created, and he just chased more manufacturing out of state.  This is a Democrat angling to be president.  Obama is a terrible president, butt the country is done if this idiot ever gets in the oval office.
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: Undies on April 15, 2013, 07:32:44 AM
You like statistics?  I like history.  

Here's a history lesson:

DUmbasses like you and your friends worship at the feet of failure.  Nothing about your anti-humanity ideology has an ounce of value.

Take socialism for example.  It has three categories:

1.  Already failed

2.  In the process of failing

3.  Future failure

Yet you DUmbasses keep pushing it.  Why?  Because it is anti-humanity and you little goons hate humanity.

You don't give a shit about "gun control".  What you and your fellow idiots care about is taking guns out of the hands of people in order to make it easier to force people to worship at the feet of failure -- right along with you.  It isn't anymore complicated than that.  You love misery for others because you hate humanity.
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: docstew on April 15, 2013, 07:40:27 AM
I posted information.  You want to deny it because you don't like what you see.  I don't like it either.  The solution is to try to change the situation rather than denying reality.  The number one reason the US has such a high homicide rate is gun proliferation.  It is possible to do something about that while still protecting 2nd amendment rights.  Tell your representatives to quit rolling over for the gun lobby and put human life above profits by backing some common sense measures designed to keep guns out of the hands of criminals. 

You posted infromation from wikipedia. Here's a hint when forming your argument (feel free to take this back to DU), if it's not acceptable reference material for a college course (and wikipedia isn't), then don't use it.
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: Happy Fun Ball on April 15, 2013, 07:47:23 AM
(http://thoughtfulwomen.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/yay1.jpg)
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: USA4ME on April 15, 2013, 07:49:28 AM
Look at exit polls from 2008 and 2012.  Those with advanced degrees overwhelmingly vote Democratic.  Over 90% of scientists are Democrats.

Which means nothing.  I know several people with PhD's who barely know how to tie their own shoes.  They have no concept of the real world and how things happen other than what they're read in a book or observed from their office on campus.  They don't run companies, they don't have to meet a payroll, they don't have to deal with the public.  Advanced degrees has not provided them business smarts.

This notion you have, and not only you but all libs, that you're smarter than conservatives is just the biggest falsehood you lie to yourselves about.  We're smarter than you, we make more money than you, we're extremely resourceful, and most important we're going to do whatever we want to do and there's nothing you can do about it.  We'll find ways to skirt around any gov't regulation that should have never been there in the first place.  We find ways to beat the system.  We'll exploit loopholes in order to do what needs to be done.  Good gracious, I'm living evidence of this.  I do this kind of stuff everyday.  You have to.  If I didn't it'd take forever to get things done.  I don't have that kind of time and I certainly don't see the point of wading through all the nonsense when I can just go through the back door and get the same results.

For whatever reason, these types of things completely escapes the political left.

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Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: SSG Snuggle Bunny on April 15, 2013, 07:56:16 AM
(http://robslink.com/SAS/democd59/murder_rate.png)


(http://jutiagroup.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/2008_election_county_results.jpg)



Save Lives: Don't Ban Guns, Ban Democrats
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: USA4ME on April 15, 2013, 08:01:43 AM
If I wanted to mole, I wouldn't have used my DU name.  I wanted to confront you directly, so I did.  As. For asking nicely, before I came you had done nothing but insult me and then increased 100 fold the level of vulgarity once I posted.  Why you expect someone to be nice to you when you behave like degenerates is astounding. You justify abusing people because they exercise their democratic rights to free speech and vote differently from you?  It doesn't appear to me that most of you have any respect for democracy, the founding principles of our nation, and even yourselves.  Nothing I have said approaches the crass and vulgar comments you have directed at me.

Do I expect someone to act nicely when they come onto private property?  Yeah, I do.  Especially if they're requesting we do something for them, like take down their pic, etc...

This is another life lesson for you.  Let's say you own a piece of property and you want to have it rezoned.  You don't bust into the door at the Planning Dept declaring how much smarter you think you are and how they're all idiots.  You don't appeal to them by saying they should rezone your property if they were descent, and if they don't then that's a poor reflection on them and they should just do what you ask.  Just try it if you don't believe me.  They'll toss you out on your ear.  You see, they control the situation.

There's a proper way to go about having property rezoned, just like there's a proper way for you to behave here, that is if you wanted your request to be honored.  Based upon how you've conducted yourself, the only reasonable conclusion I can make is you weren't serious about desiring to have your pic removed.

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Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: Zathras on April 15, 2013, 08:16:03 AM
Are you telling me that you didn't even know than DC doesn't get a vote in the House or Senate?

Ummm, please reread what I posted DUmbass. Nowhere in my post did I write that I LIVED in DC. I wrote that my representatives WERE IN DC. You really are dumber than a bag of rocks, you know that?
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: Zathras on April 15, 2013, 08:18:45 AM
MN Education.  Republican Gov Tim Pawlenty single handed destroyed MN's education rankings.  For the last year he determined the state budget entirely by himself, but long before then he had decimated education.  He took millions from the schools as part of a shell game to pretend he had balanced the budget.  The state is gradually paying back the money Pawlenty took.  Lesson:  Republican governor's who have an eye on the Presidency are terrible.  He treated the state as a pawn in his game to please the national GOP, and the only way thar us possible is to screw over Americans.  He ruined education and made it so that the wealthy actually pay a lower percentage in taxes than the middle class.  

If you want to see what happens when you DUmbasses are in charge of education (or an entire state for that matter) I have one word for you....California.
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: DumbAss Tanker on April 15, 2013, 08:19:13 AM
Interesting since so many here have been talking about me.  

People don't go to a circus to have a dialog with the clowns, just to laugh at their buffoonery.
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: txradioguy on April 15, 2013, 08:20:32 AM
People don't go to a circus to have a dialog with the clowns, just to laugh at their buffoonery.

OFT
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: Zathras on April 15, 2013, 08:22:37 AM
Thanks for confirming you're completely incapable of advancing a substantive argument of any kind.  With each post you both confirm who the low information voters are.

Yeah, the low info voters are people like you who sold their votes for "Bread & Circuses" provided by The Empty Suit and his minions. With every post you are showing that you don't have a clue and are one of those low info voters that fell for the lies and false promises of The Empty Suit.
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: USA4ME on April 15, 2013, 08:23:56 AM
... in rural areas (red) than cities (blue).

You keep running off to this red/blue state dynamic.  From what I've seen, the 50 states are, for the most part, different shades of purple.  That carries over to several different topics.

For instance, do I really care if states like NY and CA pay more into the Fed than they get back?  No, I don't.  They vote wrong virtually every presidental election and for their Senators.  Based upon the misery that causes good and descent people to have to deal with, it should cost them.   The NY's and CA's of the world need to pay some way for being so stupid.  This is a good start.

When it comes to education, obviously if you have 50 states and you rank them 1 to 50 then someone is going to be #1 and someone is going to be #50.  Does that mean that #50 is full of idiots?  Not at all.  There are students in every state pulling 4.0+ and making 2400 on their SAT.  So the opportunity is there for any student in any state, regardless if they're #1 or #50.  It's up to the student to grab the bull by the horns regardless of where they live; no one can make them study and do well.  There is no village larger than the individual.

There's more, but time is short.

Your whole "Dems/libs are smart and Repubs/Conservatives are stupid" just wears thin and doesn't work.  I've noted it plays well at DU, Kos, Puffington Host, etc... and to the choir, but that's it.  If you want to cling to it, go for it.  It doesn't take coin outta my pocket (it probably increases it) and I'm going to do whatever I want anyway regardless of whether some lib person or lib gov't body approves or not.

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Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: Vagabond on April 15, 2013, 08:29:41 AM
You people love to attack sources but rarely have any of your own.  Look at exit polls from 2008 and 2012.  

Can we also look at the Venezuela exit polls that showed the exact opposite of the outcome that Jimmah Cahtuh certified as a clean election?

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Those with advanced degrees overwhelmingly vote Democratic.  

Those with advanced degrees....covers a lot of territory, everything from Neurosurgeons to Women's Lib Doctorates to Masters in Electrical Engineering.  The fact is that most of those degrees are only useful in a university setting, and universities like keeping the government graft flowing, which means vote democrat.  Tell me how engineers and people like that vote.

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Over 90% of scientists are Democrats.

They mostly work in a system where the government or left leaning institutions pay them for their science.  There are a lot of reasons why "scientific studies" don't stand up to any scrutiny these days.

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Polls show Republicans, in general, lack basic knowledge of the most basic science.

Says somebody whose ideological fellow travlers tried to use the global warming scam to seize control over the lives of almost every person on this planet. 

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The problem is you only believe what suits your preconceived ideas and refuse to consider ant other information.

Wrong again, DUmbass.  Which side is it that wants to use proven disastrous political systems and unworkable economic systems without consideration that they don't work.  I'll give you a hint, you'll need a mirror.

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Wikipedia compiles information and says where their data come from. Those charts give the original sources.

Wikipedia can be modified by anyone at any time, and the sources may be incorrect or invalid.

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You can easily check them out yourselves.

No, you're the one that tried to prove something.  That you were wildly off the mark isn't our fault, miss phd.

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The lazy I don't like your source comment shows you have nothing to contribute.

Nope, lazy is not using original verified sources and references.
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: Zathras on April 15, 2013, 08:37:27 AM
Hey Bainsbane you ignorant slut...take a look at this thread (http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,86043.0.html) and then get back to us on how bad we are.
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: wasp69 on April 15, 2013, 08:46:43 AM
As. For asking nicely, before I came you had done nothing but insult me and then increased 100 fold the level of vulgarity once I posted.  Why you expect someone to be nice to you when you behave like degenerates is astounding.

From your very first post (http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,85948.msg1066708.html#msg1066708):
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Is life in the trailer park really so dull?

Pure as the driven snow and walking in with doves circling your haloed head.  We should be so ashamed...

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You justify abusing people because they exercise their democratic rights to free speech and vote differently from you? 

Why is it every single member of DU that has wiggled though our door cannot fathom the utter hypocrisy of tripe like this?  Do you even bother to read your own site?  Have you figured out why you still post here, even though you are a DUmp democrat?  Curious, isn't it, since we're such haters of free speech? 

Not one single member of CC has done any such thing of which you accuse, but I can point you to reams of much worse from your fellow DUmmies.  Everything from imprisonment to execution.  Tread lightly, "doctor", you're about to make a total fool out of yourself.

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It doesn't appear to me that most of you have any respect for democracy, the founding principles of our nation, and even yourselves. 

 :rotf:

That's funny, coming from a member of a site full of neo marxists and crypto fascists. 

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Nothing I have said approaches the crass and vulgar comments you have directed at me. 

Yeah?  Let's see, shall we?

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particularly in parts of the country where marriage between siblings is illegal. 
http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,85948.msg1066728.html#msg1066728

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I don't encounter a lot of Republicans.  Still, there is my sister's mother-in-law, but she's been diagnosed with Narcissistic Personality Disorder.  I can't help wondering if that isn't party wide.
http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,85948.msg1066732.html#msg1066732

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I suppose he's not popular among the base because he speaks in complete sentences.
http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,85948.msg1066830.html#msg1066830

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Household slaves.  I thought that was what freepers called wives.  Isn't that ya'll's notion  of the proper social order? 
http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,85948.msg1067088.html#msg1067088

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hardly surprising given that most Republicans think science is a communist conspiracy. 

And then there is Axis II disorders that, in appear to me, afflict some of the right's best known media personalities. Those are far less treatable. 
http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,85948.msg1067104.html#msg1067104

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How about you take a grade school science class.  Who makes change for you when you go to the store anyway?  You're the last person who needs to worry about abortion.  You don't need to be raising any kids.
http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,85948.msg1067354.html#msg1067354

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I just figured there are a lot more Republicans whose tastes run to the male and  prepubescent than I realized.
http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,85948.msg1067620.html#msg1067620

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Dealing with your level of ignorance is too tedious.   It's like deciphering a kindergarten scrawl.
http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,85948.msg1067635.html#msg1067635

:therock:
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: wasp69 on April 15, 2013, 08:49:53 AM
Homicide rates per state, gun homicides per state for 2010. Like the other chart, this one is sortable.  It does not cover all gun deaths, accidents in particular.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States_by_state

Here (http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/murder-rates-nationally-and-state) is one that uses more than one year of data.
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: wasp69 on April 15, 2013, 08:57:34 AM
Families.   The interesting thing about children born out of wedlock and divorce, both are higher in rural areas (red) than cities (blue).  So your beliefs and action don't correspond.

Proof, please.

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As for obfuscation, I can't answer someone's question when I don't even know what she means.  If she believes specific municipal policies have led to high murder rates in S Chicago, she should specify which ones she means.  She hasn't even said what she means by ideology.

You're lying.  If you are as educated and brilliant as you have portrayed yourself, "doctor", you should be able to understand simple questions:

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What have Obama and Democrats done to improve the lives of people in the inner city? in particular what have they done to improve the lives of people on the South Side of Chicago?

Very simple, very direct.  Do you really need it broken down further? 
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: wasp69 on April 15, 2013, 09:38:03 AM
MN Education.  Republican Gov Tim Pawlenty single handed destroyed MN's education rankings.  For the last year he determined the state budget entirely by himself, but long before then he had decimated education.  He took millions from the schools as part of a shell game to pretend he had balanced the budget.  The state is gradually paying back the money Pawlenty took.  Lesson:  Republican governor's who have an eye on the Presidency are terrible.  He treated the state as a pawn in his game to please the national GOP, and the only way thar us possible is to screw over Americans.  He ruined education and made it so that the wealthy actually pay a lower percentage in taxes than the middle class.  

One man did all of that?  In the absence of proof, I'm going to have to conclude that the rest of your state government (including your state D party) are ineffective weaklings in the face of an accused tyrant.

Sounds silly doesn't it?
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: wasp69 on April 15, 2013, 10:02:07 AM
My point was the US has the highest homicide rate in the industrialized world, 1st work,  whatever you want to call it.  These statistics show as much.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Russia's rate is higher. 

These two sentences from your post, juxtaposed against one another, completely invalidate whatever point you are trying to make regardless of the source. 

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It will amaze you to see all the nations lower than us, including Yemen, Libya, and India. 

How much honest reporting do you think goes on in Yemen and Libya?  Do you really believe those numbers, considering the disclaimer posted in the opening wiki paragraphs?

This looks more like an agenda than any type of honest discussion.
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: hillneck on April 15, 2013, 10:51:13 AM
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If I wanted to mole, I wouldn't have used my DU name.


How many times do we have to explain this.  Unlike your liberal echo chamber cesspools, we at CC do NOT ban, tombstone, or otherwise shun people with different points of view.  If you or any other person wants to come here and discuss issues that's fine, but be forewarned you best be prepared.  As usual you come here throwing some study because it suits your point of view.  If you're educated as you claim, then you know full well you can slant almost any poll or study.
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: thundley4 on April 15, 2013, 01:03:50 PM
Families.   The interesting thing about children born out of wedlock and divorce, both are higher in rural areas (red) than cities (blue).  So your beliefs and action don't correspond.


Keyword is born.  Those children are allowed to live in Red areas, whereas they are disposed of in Blue areas.
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: Ptarmigan on April 15, 2013, 01:43:42 PM
My point was the US has the highest homicide rate in the industrialized world, 1st work,  whatever you want to call it.  These statistics show as much.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
You'll need to sort that chart by rate, which it enables you to do.

A number of countries in the Global South have higher homicide rates, but none in Europe or other Ist world nations.  Russia's rate is higher.  It will amaze you to see all the nations lower than us, including Yemen, Libya, and India. 



You do know that crime rates are unreliable and should be taken with a grain of salt. Many countries with low crime rates are due to corruption and crime rarely being reported.
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: Ptarmigan on April 15, 2013, 01:47:00 PM
You people love to attack sources but rarely have any of your own.  Look at exit polls from 2008 and 2012.  Those with advanced degrees overwhelmingly vote Democratic.  Over 90% of scientists are Democrats.
Exit polls are not reliable. People with advanced degrees are not any more smarter than people with no advanced degree. Can you cite sources that scientists are Democrats?

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Polls show Republicans, in general, lack basic knowledge of the most basic science.  The problem is you only believe what suits your preconceived ideas and refuse to consider ant other information.
 
Huh? Source? I see many Democrats are just as ignorant about sciences. America lags behind in science. Just look at any public schools, which has teachers who are members of unions.

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Wikipedia compiles information and says where their data come from. Those charts give the original sources.  You can easily check them out yourselves.  The lazy I don't like your source comment shows you have nothing to contribute.
The links that Wikipedia have can be wrong. Also, Wikipedia is often frowned up as a source by teachers and professors alike.
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: JohnnyReb on April 15, 2013, 01:55:32 PM
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The links that Wikipedia have can be wrong. Also, Wikipedia is often frowned up as a source by teachers and professors alike.


I call it "whacky-pedia" myself.
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: Ptarmigan on April 15, 2013, 01:56:23 PM
Families.   The interesting thing about children born out of wedlock and divorce, both are higher in rural areas (red) than cities (blue).  So your beliefs and action don't correspond.

As for obfuscation, I can't answer someone's question when I don't even know what she means.  If she believes specific municipal policies have led to high murder rates in S Chicago, she should specify which ones she means.  She hasn't even said what she means by ideology.

Are you talking about rate or sheer numbers? They are two different things. One area can have a high rate, but low in actual numbers, while one area has low rate, but high actual numbers. Keep in mind rural areas have less people than urban areas.
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: miskie on April 15, 2013, 02:41:39 PM
Here (http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/murder-rates-nationally-and-state) is one that uses more than one year of data.

Uhoh !

I tried that in the guess the primitive gut thread. - For some reason, multiple years of data confuzzlate this person.
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: RayRaytheSBS on April 15, 2013, 02:44:01 PM
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You're lying.  If you are as educated and brilliant as you have portrayed yourself, "doctor", you should be able to understand simple questions:


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What have Obama and Democrats done to improve the lives of people in the inner city? in particular what have they done to improve the lives of people on the South Side of Chicago?


Very simple, very direct.  Do you really need it broken down further?

It's too simple Wasp, BB here reminds me of a woman who came in to try to join the Army in the Recruiting station I worked in. The woman had a master's degree, and the recruiter figured she was easily going to be in the highest percentile.

Long story short, she took the 50-question practice test, and had  a projected AFQT of 16. Just so you understand BB, the AFQT is on a scale from 1-100. This woman had a MASTER'S degree, and scored a 16 on a test of HIGH-school level education.

In my opinion, a College degree today is a piece of paper that showed you weren't tardy (in your case for 8-12 years), turned in your homework on time, and paid your loan payments on time. A Degree doesn't mean sh*t if you can 't apply some common sense along with it. And from everything I have read from your posts, you have chosen not to.
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: BlueStateSaint on April 15, 2013, 02:53:24 PM
I dealt with a few PhDs in my former job (13 years in a NYS DOH water testing laboratory).  My observation was this--as the book knowledge trickled in one ear, the common sense flooded out the other ear, at a velocity and pressure that most municipal fire departments would be proud to have in their hoses.

No change here.
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: wasp69 on April 15, 2013, 02:55:22 PM
It's too simple Wasp, BB here reminds me of a woman who came in to try to join the Army in the Recruiting station I worked in. The woman had a master's degree, and the recruiter figured she was easily going to be in the highest percentile.

Long story short, she took the 50-question practice test, and had  a projected AFQT of 16. Just so you understand BB, the AFQT is on a scale from 1-100. This woman had a MASTER'S degree, and scored a 16 on a test of HIGH-school level education.

In 22 years of service, I learned that college educated did not always equal smart.  Considering the nature of active duty service, I'm sure you have seen quite a few college graduates shuffled off to a corner where they could suck their thumb and not get anyone killed.  God knows I saw my fair share.

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In my opinion, a College degree today is a piece of paper that showed you weren't tardy (in your case for 8-12 years), turned in your homework on time, and paid your loan payments on time.

Engineers still have to earn their stripes, so it's not a total loss.
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: Big Dog on April 15, 2013, 03:53:25 PM
Gary Larson said it best...

(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag72/conscave/1363976387133cached_zps3f6703d8.png)
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: BadCat on April 15, 2013, 04:21:21 PM
Interesting since so many here have been talking about me.   If that's true and you really don't care, none of you will talk about me ever again because no one talks about people who don't interest them.  

Sure we will.  You are unattractive both physically and mentally and we will make fun of you for the rest of your worthless life.
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: BEG on April 15, 2013, 05:47:12 PM
Because someone exercises their Democratic rights and holds an opinion that differs from yours, you call them a dumbass.  That doesn't say much for your own intellectual abilities.  I miss conservatives like William F Buckley who could engage in thoughtful discussion, was well read, had a keen mind, and didn't insult people who disagreed with him. 

Oh the irony.   :whatever:
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: BEG on April 15, 2013, 05:51:41 PM
BB is a narcissist.
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: miskie on April 15, 2013, 06:02:18 PM
Oh the irony.   :whatever:

Indeed -

In my little exchange with her, she told me I have problems with reading comprehension, even though I said nothing dismissive about her. I'm sure the intent was to get me wound up. Little does she know, I can be exceedingly patient, and I will wait for someone to fall into a trap of their own design during any sort of debate. There are a couple of times in my own life where I waited for years for that moment to arrive.

As some of you may already know from reading my posts here, I have a very long memory.
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: delilahmused on April 15, 2013, 06:27:56 PM
I was a Lit major. I love the whole process of dissecting a book and exploring its intent & message. IMO, As I Lay Dying is the greatest masterpiece ever written (btw, it's just as easy to find conservative themes as liberal ones because literature is meant to be intepretive). However, I also have common sense and I've used that more in my life and it's been much more useful than anything I've read in heady, intellectual books. Cervantes & D.H. Lawrence have never been any help in any life situation. The most I've gotten from all my "book larnin'" is really good cat names from T. S. Lawrence.

All the PhD's in the world don't give you any special kind of "life skills". If so, everyone at DU would be busy running a business, getting that promotion over the boss they're "smarter" than, being CEO's or writing books that sell more than 50 copies. Dissertations  of Basho's haiku have absolutely no use to anyone.  Oddly enough, 17th century Samurai poets won't solve the debt crises or teach us how to deal with Islamic terrorists, how to stick to a budget or why democrats are so damned afraid of guns. When you do have extra time, you guys would spend it joyfully talking about your great life & how busy you've been. If your MA's and PhD's were so useful, you guys would be running the world instead of bitching about it.

What surprises me about you, though, a college freshman learns to do better research than you've done. You know damn good and well Wikipedia is NOT a reliable source since anyone can edit it to say what they want. A person who's truly interested in researching a subject to prove his assertions would use it as a starting point, but he would follow those footnote links used as "proof". Nor would he use just ONE source, especially such a dubious one. With the Internet, research is easier than ever. A cursory glance through google shows hundreds of resources from different think tanks, colleges, governments & individuals.

You're not interested in truth, you're only interested in looking good to your little friends at DU. Running back to them, showing them this thread and waiting for the pats on the back as they all say how you got the best of us. Common sense should tell you good research requires more than one source as proof. Obviously, you don't have any.

Cindie
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: Bainsbane on April 15, 2013, 06:37:55 PM
You do know that crime rates are unreliable and should be taken with a grain of salt. Many countries with low crime rates are due to corruption and crime rarely being reported.

Evidently no source is reliable to you, except a bloviating drug addict spewing crap on the radio.  Is that you excuse for knowing absolutely nothing  and denying reality.

All sources have flaws in one way or another.  The point is to examine them and consider what flaws and biases they have rather than reflexively dismissing them out of hand.  All that shows is your own refusal to face anything, which is pathetic.  It seems to be a right wing trait.  You decide what you want to believe in advance and then no amount of evidence will ever persuade you.  It's wilfull ignorance, the worst kind imaginable. 
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: Bainsbane on April 15, 2013, 06:39:24 PM
Ms. PhD,

Would you accept wikipedia as a source on an undergrad's paper? Would you accept wikipedia as a source for any serious purpose (business, government, or academic)?

You're sitting at the grownup table now, that DU bullshit won't fly here.

So find a better source, or are you too lazy?  If I cite the UN or WHO, you'll say they are no good either.  All you idiots believe is what you want to.  That's why you are the most ignorant people in human history.   
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: SSG Snuggle Bunny on April 15, 2013, 06:43:33 PM
So find a better source, or are you too lazy?  If I cite the UN or WHO, you'll say they are no good either.  All you idiots believe is what you want to.  That's why you are the most ignorant people in human history.

If we're so ignorant how come -- by your own claims -- we have all the media power, all the money to pay for everything, all the political power to stymie 0bama and all the guns to kept you pussies cowering under your therapists' desks?

And you Proglodytes are so smart you can't figure out how to undo all this on your own.
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: Bainsbane on April 15, 2013, 06:44:43 PM
It's too simple Wasp, BB here reminds me of a woman who came in to try to join the Army in the Recruiting station I worked in. The woman had a master's degree, and the recruiter figured she was easily going to be in the highest percentile.

Long story short, she took the 50-question practice test, and had  a projected AFQT of 16. Just so you understand BB, the AFQT is on a scale from 1-100. This woman had a MASTER'S degree, and scored a 16 on a test of HIGH-school level education.

In my opinion, a College degree today is a piece of paper that showed you weren't tardy (in your case for 8-12 years), turned in your homework on time, and paid your loan payments on time. A Degree doesn't mean sh*t if you can 't apply some common sense along with it. And from everything I have read from your posts, you have chosen not to.


A college degree today begins to make up for the appalling k-12 education. It's a baseline of qualification you need to get a job even at some McDonald's these days.  Without it, your chances of earning a decent living are much less.  
I have a PhD, which is an additional 10 years of education, proficiency in two foreign languages, major and minor comprehensive examinations, dissertation field work and a doctoral dissertation more than a BA.  A degree of any kind certainly is not an indicator of intelligence.  It just means the person had an opportunity to develop critical thinking skills and acquire a base of knowledge in a field.   There are some very well read people without college degrees.  People, however, who reject education and knowledge a priori have chosen to make themselves stupid.  Stupid is a choice.  Lack of opportunity does not make a person stupid.  Stupid is refusing to consider evidence and never challenging preexisting views.  
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: Bainsbane on April 15, 2013, 06:47:06 PM
As for not answering simple questions:  There is no doubt the question is simple; it's moronic.  I am not even going to try to get into someone's addled brain if they can't be bothered to layout what they mean.  I have no doubt your fixation on South Chicago is due to Fox News.  You people ape everything that your pet right wing media sources tell you. 

Now don't you have some more  bombs to set off? 
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: SSG Snuggle Bunny on April 15, 2013, 06:49:15 PM
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Stupid is refusing to consider evidence and never challenging preexisting views.

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I have no doubt your fixation on South Chicago is due to Fox News.  You people ape everything that your pet right wing media sources tell you.

Stupid **** is as stupid **** does.
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: Chris on April 15, 2013, 06:49:55 PM
Now don't you have some more  bombs to set off? 
Get the **** out.
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: miskie on April 15, 2013, 06:51:05 PM
Now don't you have some more  bombs to set off? 

Really ? I mean, REALLY ?

Once its determined that these bombs weren't planted by the TEA party, I expect an apology. (I have always lived in Massachusetts, save for college studies in London)
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: Freeper on April 15, 2013, 06:53:31 PM
Get the **** out.

The stupid bitch had to go there.  :banghead:
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: Lacarnut on April 15, 2013, 06:54:38 PM
So find a better source, or are you too lazy?  If I cite the UN or WHO, you'll say they are no good either.  All you idiots believe is what you want to.  That's why you are the most ignorant people in human history.   


I assume that the left wing liberal brain disorder that you posses prevents you from answering a simple question. Would you accept wikipedia as a source for an undergrad paper? There are two answers..yes or no. If you can not answer the question, the so called doctor of bullshit is the one that is dumb as a rock.
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: delilahmused on April 15, 2013, 06:56:47 PM
So find a better source, or are you too lazy?  If I cite the UN or WHO, you'll say they are no good either.  All you idiots believe is what you want to.  That's why you are the most ignorant people in human history.   


Uh, the UN WAS one of the resources used to disprove your "evidence".

Cindie
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: Kimberly on April 15, 2013, 06:57:53 PM
As for not answering simple questions:  There is no doubt the question is simple; it's moronic.  I am not even going to try to get into someone's addled brain if they can't be bothered to layout what they mean.  I have no doubt your fixation on South Chicago is due to Fox News.  You people ape everything that your pet right wing media sources tell you. 

Now don't you have some more  bombs to set off? 

If you were in front of me, I would slap you. You're a disgusting  miserable human being.
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: miskie on April 15, 2013, 06:58:53 PM
The stupid bitch had to go there.  :banghead:

Fair enough. She definitely overstepped some boundaries there. After I rushed home at 3PM, I immediately jumped on social media platforms and other places to make sure that nobody I know was affected by this tragedy. Thankfully, the missus (who's job is located on Mass. Ave) had the day off because of the holiday (Patriot's Day).  
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: BEG on April 15, 2013, 07:00:01 PM
As for not answering simple questions:  There is no doubt the question is simple; it's moronic.  I am not even going to try to get into someone's addled brain if they can't be bothered to layout what they mean.  I have no doubt your fixation on South Chicago is due to Fox News.  You people ape everything that your pet right wing media sources tell you. 

Now don't you have some more  bombs to set off? 

Wow, you finally self destructed. That didn't take long, like 99% of DUers you have absolutely no self control.
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: SSG Snuggle Bunny on April 15, 2013, 07:00:23 PM
Get the **** out.

Now she'll run back and report how she was banned because she overawed us with her brilliance.
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: Freeper on April 15, 2013, 07:01:38 PM
Now she'll run back and report how she was banned because she overawed us with her brilliance.

**** her.

Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: Chris_ on April 15, 2013, 07:02:13 PM
Now she'll run back and report how she was banned because she overawed us with her brilliance.
Not hardly.  Kind of hard to run away from a statement like that.

She's an educated idiot and has the paper to prove it.  Too bad that diploma didn't come with any sense.
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: MrsSmith on April 15, 2013, 07:28:42 PM
Now she'll run back and report how she was banned because she overawed us with her brilliance.
To the DUmp, that probably rates as a brilliant reply.  But then, they probably believe a PhD would actually quote Wiki for facts.  (For the record, my daughter was in Middle School when she was told not to reference Wiki in an papers.)  :-)
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: MrsSmith on April 15, 2013, 07:36:29 PM
As for not answering simple questions:  There is no doubt the question is simple; it's moronic.  I am not even going to try to get into someone's addled brain if they can't be bothered to layout what they mean.  I have no doubt your fixation on South Chicago is due to Fox News.  You people ape everything that your pet right wing media sources tell you. 

Now don't you have some more  bombs to set off? 
Our "fixation" with Chicago has far more to do with endlessly failing liberal policies than any news source.  The liberal failures are mirrored all over the country.  I know YOU don't realize that because your news source is heavily censored, but most of the country doesn't live in your liberal vacuum.   

Oh and BTW, the bombing suspect is reported to be a Saudi national ... probably one of those immigrants you side recruits to shore up your voting base when you have trouble getting enough people hauled out of their drug stupors and into the voting booth.
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: delilahmused on April 15, 2013, 07:53:12 PM
A college degree today begins to make up for the appalling k-12 education. It's a baseline of qualification you need to get a job even at some McDonald's these days.  Without it, your chances of earning a decent living are much less.  
I have a PhD, which is an additional 10 years of education, proficiency in two foreign languages, major and minor comprehensive examinations, dissertation field work and a doctoral dissertation more than a BA.  A degree of any kind certainly is not an indicator of intelligence.  It just means the person had an opportunity to develop critical thinking skills and acquire a base of knowledge in a field.   There are some very well read people without college degrees.  People, however, who reject education and knowledge a priori have chosen to make themselves stupid.  Stupid is a choice.  Lack of opportunity does not make a person stupid.  Stupid is refusing to consider evidence and never challenging preexisting views.  

Who owns the educations system? You guys have had it for decades. It's why most teachers vote democrat. Hell, my granddaughter's teacher told her her family was supposed to vote for 0bama. All we do is pour money into the system "it's for the children" dontcha know. Some of the poorest places in the country get the most of our education dollars and the schools still fail. And when poor children DO have opportunities for a better education through something like a voucher program in DC (put in place thanks to REPUBLICANS) you wait for the first opportunity to yank it from them despite its popularity. Just look at the numbers of families who took advantage of it! Of course, we can't have those children breaking the cycle of poverty and realize there's a whole big world out there, might get uppity enough to leave the plantation! One of the first things 0bama did was yank that program out from under some of our poorest children. Well, since some of those poor children were going to Sidwell Friends, perhaps 0bama didn't want the riff raff rubbing shoulders with his privileged little girls.

You keep referring to your PhD. So ****ing what? A PhD should know better than use Wikipedia as a source. And they would have enough ****ing sense to actually click on the links posted refuting their assertions and reading the evidence provided. Critical thinking skills and all that! Who the hell is rejecting education? Have you even bothered to find out what kind of education we have? No, you're too busy running around saying "neener, neener, neener! I have a PhD" and screaming like an idiot when someone posts a link to something (you know, like the UN) that argues against your "proof".

What an arrogant piece of work you are. And you've still proved nothing! This follows the typical pattern of all of you everytime you come over:

1. Post credentials showing how much "better & smarter" than us you are.
2. Making an assertion that requires proof and providing only one source.
3. Brag about education and credentials.
4. Yell and scream that if we don't want to believe it we can go do our own research.
(As an aside, I dare you to take any course that requires a paper proving your opinion. Provide a source from Wikipedia and tell the teacher if that isn't good enough they should do their own damn research.) That's essentially what you've done here.
5. Brag about PhD.
6. People on this board continue to provide links to studies that say the opposite of your assertion.
7. Continue bragging about your education.
8. Because you're losing the argument you start insulting people and throwing a tantrum (one would expect better behavior from a lofty, important person with a Phd).
7. Brag about PhD.
8. Make excuses for losers who have degrees but sit around on their asses feeling sorry for themselves because no one has said, "Oh, wow, you have a PhD in Wimmins Studies? Well, damn, come be the CEO the bank 0bama's grandma became rich at!"
9. Brag about credentials.
10. State that everyone who doesn't agree with you has rejected education.
11. Brag about PhD.
12. Try to make nice (briefly) by agreeing that people who don't have PhD's can be smart.
13. Brag about credentials.
14. Stupidly assert that the smartest people on the planet (DU, evidently) are simply lacking opportunity, thus the reason for their moaning, whining & leaching off everyone else. I guess those smart people aren't "smart" enough to make their OWN opportunity.  Probably because mean old rich Republicans keep them down (despite the fact that the richest people in government making the rules you and I live by are democrats).
15. Brag about PhD!

Cindie
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: diesel driver on April 15, 2013, 08:00:23 PM
Evidently no source is reliable to you, except a bloviating drug addict spewing crap on the radio.  Is that you excuse for knowing absolutely nothing  and denying reality.

All sources have flaws in one way or another.  The point is to examine them and consider what flaws and biases they have rather than reflexively dismissing them out of hand.  All that shows is your own refusal to face anything, which is pathetic.  It seems to be a right wing trait.  You decide what you want to believe in advance and then no amount of evidence will ever persuade you.  It's wilfull ignorance, the worst kind imaginable.  

I don't listen to Ed Shultz, what's your point?

A college degree today begins to make up for the appalling k-12 education. It's a baseline of qualification you need to get a job even at some McDonald's these days.  Without it, your chances of earning a decent living are much less. 
I have a PhD, which is an additional 10 years of education, proficiency in two foreign languages, major and minor comprehensive examinations, dissertation field work and a doctoral dissertation more than a BA.  A degree of any kind certainly is not an indicator of intelligence.  It just means the person had an opportunity to develop critical thinking skills and acquire a base of knowledge in a field.   There are some very well read people without college degrees.  People, however, who reject education and knowledge a priori have chosen to make themselves stupid.  Stupid is a choice.  Lack of opportunity does not make a person stupid.  Stupid is refusing to consider evidence and never challenging preexisting views. 

I guess that makes you STUPID.
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: Big Dog on April 15, 2013, 08:00:36 PM
So find a better source, or are you too lazy?  If I cite the UN or WHO, you'll say they are no good either.  All you idiots believe is what you want to.  That's why you are the most ignorant people in human history.   

Do you really want me to find credible sources for your posts? You are the prototypical DUmmy!

No wonder you have been posting on CC in the middle of the night. A lonely woman, living alone but for a cat or six, eating from a TV table, drinking wine and muttering to herself about the eeeevil Republicans. I have no doubt your past partners did all the work in bed.

Your cats are under the bed cowering in fear at your drunken muttering self, by the way.

Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: Ptarmigan on April 15, 2013, 08:03:22 PM
Did Bainsbane's feeling get hurt again. I have a form for her to fill out.

(http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/7236/hurtfeelingsreportl.jpg)

Oh wait, she is banned.  
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: Chris_ on April 15, 2013, 08:04:49 PM
You're getting a lot of mileage out of that picture.
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: diesel driver on April 15, 2013, 08:11:53 PM
Did Bainsbane's feeling get hurt again.



Oh wait, she is banned.  

Banned?  Oh, well, maybe it was for the best.

Anyone too stupid to change their avatar from the "base model" to something else shouldn't be around the adults.

(Although the caveman is/was an improvement over her actual pic.)  :lmao:
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: wasp69 on April 15, 2013, 08:19:59 PM
I know your sunny disposition and inflexible ideology got you shitcanned, but I'm going to respond to some of these because I know you'll be back to look.

You won't be able to help yourself.  ;)

Without it, your chances of earning a decent living are much less.  

Hardly.  I make north of 6 figures a year with nothing more than a West Virginia public high school education and a broad, flat skillset that allows me to be flexible enough to adapt with changing circumstances.  That, dear, is planning and application put to good use, no PhD required.

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I have a PhD, which is an additional 10 years of education, proficiency in two foreign languages, major and minor comprehensive examinations, dissertation field work and a doctoral dissertation more than a BA.

And you still cited wiki as a credible source?  Wow....

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Stupid is a choice.  Lack of opportunity does not make a person stupid.  Stupid is refusing to consider evidence and never challenging preexisting views.  

You just invalidated every single DUmp argument for wasting money on more useless social programs and had the irony bug bite your butt.  Oh, yes, so much smarter than everyone else.... 
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: wasp69 on April 15, 2013, 08:25:47 PM
As for not answering simple questions:  There is no doubt the question is simple; it's moronic.  I am not even going to try to get into someone's addled brain if they can't be bothered to layout what they mean.  I have no doubt your fixation on South Chicago is due to Fox News.  You people ape everything that your pet right wing media sources tell you. 

You can't answer it because you know Chicago has been in a democrat stranglehold for decades and it is another failed blue shithole of misery and death, just like the glittering jewel of democrat failure that is Detroit.

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Now don't you have some more  bombs to set off? 

Truly a shame you're so overcome with hate.  You are a living example as to why there are some things cup size cannot overcome.  Big tits can't offset a personality akin to a bent shitcan.
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: Lacarnut on April 15, 2013, 09:12:20 PM
A college degree today begins to make up for the appalling k-12 education. It's a baseline of qualification you need to get a job even at some McDonald's these days.  Without it, your chances of earning a decent living are much less.  
I have a PhD, which is an additional 10 years of education, proficiency in two foreign languages, major and minor comprehensive examinations, dissertation field work and a doctoral dissertation more than a BA.

The reasons college grads are working at McDonald is that they can not find jobs in their chosen field because of the bad economy. Your hero and master has provided the country with a horrible economic outlook. Higher taxes, Obamacare, regulations, etc have stiffled new business starts and expansion.

 I seriously doubt that your degrees are in economics. Many of his adviser's have fled the ship in the last 4years like drowning rats. Got news for you. I could train an 8th grader to do any job that a college grad a first year worker at McDonald's is doing. Birdbrain is so ignorant of the fact that many trades people make an excellent living. Plus, there are several US billionaires that got bored with college and dropped out.

It looks like those two major languages you highlighted does not include English. My guess is Ebonics and some other worthless language. Professional students that go to school 10 years after high school don't impress me. It just proves that many would rather stay in school rather than get a real job and get off their lazy ass. Papa must have plenty of dough.  

The doc must be a proctologist cause he sure spews a lot of crap.
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: Duke Nukum on April 15, 2013, 09:15:34 PM
Why are so many people with Ph.D's so freaking stupid? Why do so many people who allegedly have genius I.Q.'s unable to think their way out of a paper bag?

Just asking?
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: RayRaytheSBS on April 15, 2013, 09:25:06 PM
A college degree today begins to make up for the appalling k-12 education. It's a baseline of qualification you need to get a job even at some McDonald's these days.  Without it, your chances of earning a decent living are much less.  
I have a PhD, which is an additional 10 years of education, proficiency in two foreign languages, major and minor comprehensive examinations, dissertation field work and a doctoral dissertation more than a BA.  A degree of any kind certainly is not an indicator of intelligence.  It just means the person had an opportunity to develop critical thinking skills and acquire a base of knowledge in a field.   There are some very well read people without college degrees.  People, however, who reject education and knowledge a priori have chosen to make themselves stupid.  Stupid is a choice.  Lack of opportunity does not make a person stupid.  Stupid is refusing to consider evidence and never challenging preexisting views.  

Once again, who runs the teacher's unions? Oh yeah, the DEMOCRATS!  And BB (I know you are reading this), just because someone does not have a set of letters behind their name does NOT mean they have given up on learning, just on what you consider learning. As to your last comment, I want to thank you for finally saying what was on your mind. The right for you to speak your mind was guaranteed by the blood of patriots, people who you vilify over at DU. But guess what, that right goes both ways. And I have the right to say  :bigbird: :bigbird: :bigbird: :bigbird: :bigbird: :bigbird: :bigbird: :bigbird: :bigbird: :bigbird:
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: miskie on April 15, 2013, 09:27:13 PM
Why are so many people with Ph.D's so freaking stupid? Why do so many people who allegedly have genius I.Q.'s unable to think their way out of a paper bag?

Just asking?

Its been said before that advanced degrees are an exercise in learning more and more about less and less - and there might be something to that cliche. Its been my experience that many with advanced degrees have a vast amount of knowledge in one specific area...And nothing else.
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: USA4ME on April 15, 2013, 09:32:47 PM
Poor 275 lbs. BB.

I'll make this as clear as I can to you, BB, and every other primitive out there.  I'm smarter than you.  You can't even hope to catch up with how much futher I am ahead of each and every one of you.  You could collectively place your "intelligence" into one person and I would still think circles around you.  None of you on the island can keep up with us here at CC.  And there are millions of us out there.  And we'll always be a quintrillion steps ahead of you on our worst days.

BB, the only thing you did was prove you are willing to say things online you wouldn't dare say to us in person.  You're scared.  All of you primitives are scared.  And stupid.

.
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: Zathras on April 15, 2013, 09:40:52 PM
I miss conservatives like William F Buckley who could engage in thoughtful discussion, was well read, had a keen mind, and didn't insult people who disagreed with him.

Wow, what complete and utter Male Bovine Excrement spewing from your over educated pie hole. The above is an utter lie because, if you were actually interested in debating conservatives, you wouldn't hang out at a website that bans conservatives outright. But, then again, you're a DUmbass and lying comes second nature to you....along with hating America, bigotry and support of pedophilia.
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: Chris_ on April 15, 2013, 09:46:19 PM
I miss conservatives like William F Buckley who could engage in thoughtful discussion, was well read, had a keen mind, and didn't insult people who disagreed with him. 
Because DemocratUnderground has done so much to elevate the level of political discussion since its founding.
 :lmao:
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: delilahmused on April 15, 2013, 09:50:26 PM
Because DemocratUnderground has done so much to elevate the level of political discussion since its founding.
 :lmao:

And when you're dealing with children better to discuss "Goodnight Moon" instead of "Atlas Shrugged".

Cindie
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: Rebel on April 15, 2013, 09:55:54 PM
A college degree today begins to make up for the appalling k-12 education.

Who's controlled education since the late 70's and introduction of the NEA, you dumb bitch?

BTW, you may have a lawsuit against the creators of Southpark. I think "Miss Chokesondick" was patterned after you. Google it. You'll notice the resemblance.

BTW, what's your PhD in? If it's not a hard science, you'll have to excuse me if I'm not all that impressed. A PhD in some bullshit moonbat science isn't worth as much to me as a Bachelors in Electrical Engineering. Sorry, Prog, it is what it is.
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: chitownchica on April 15, 2013, 10:25:36 PM
I see the DUmbass has been banned, but I know she'll read this.  Did she ever say what her course of study was? I highly doubt she has a PhD.  I've never heard someone spout so many uneducated talking points in all my life.

Quote from: Bainsbane on Today at 06:47:06 pm
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As for not answering simple questions:  There is no doubt the question is simple; it's moronic.  I am not even going to try to get into someone's addled brain if they can't be bothered to layout what they mean.  I have no doubt your fixation on South Chicago is due to Fox News.  You people ape everything that your pet right wing media sources tell you.

Now don't you have some more  bombs to set off?  

Geez- how about a report from someone who lives right in the city? I'm in Lincoln Park, and whenever Obama's sons get bored, they take the red line to the north side and start trouble.  A few summers ago the LGBT center on Halsted felt bad for them and invited them to their meeting location. I'll bet some of your friends on DU can confirm the info I'm providing.  Boystown (gay area) was terrorized all summer.  It made for an interesting situation when two of the democrat's favorite groups came to blows.  Last summer the city kept closing Fullerton and Oak St. beaches because gangs would show up and  raise hell.  

It's a mad house on the south side. I feel sorry for innocent people who are trapped there, but they are going to have to take care of the  problems on their  own.  People are shot there every day.
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: Lacarnut on April 15, 2013, 10:27:04 PM
I am waiting to see how intelligent Obummer is. The Magic Negro has paid millions to keep his college records secret. Betcha his IQ and grades are not that great along with other posers like Gore and Kerry that graduated from Harvard/Ivy league universities. Sure have a bunch of educated idiots that come from those schools.
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: chitownchica on April 15, 2013, 10:29:53 PM
Oh, and the ****ing teachers unions are a joke here.  If Chicago allowed for vouchers, some of those kids could escape the hell hole that is the south side. You think the Dems want to allow that? Rahm is closing numerous schools, but I doubt the smart kids who want to escape will have any choice of where they go.

Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: Vagabond on April 15, 2013, 11:00:04 PM
In 22 years of service, I learned that college educated did not always equal smart.  Considering the nature of active duty service, I'm sure you have seen quite a few college graduates shuffled off to a corner where they could suck their thumb and not get anyone killed.  God knows I saw my fair share.

I still remember a certain young African-American female butter bar with a psychology degree that somehow wound up in the Signal Corps.  She was screwing up and making a lot of mistakes, mainly because her first platoon sergeant was too busy trying to get in her panties to teach her anything.  It led to her having a massive, unjustified ego and the belief that she could do and say anything she wanted to the much more experienced troops in her platoon.

The incident that sticks in my mind happened when we had a trouble call on one of our vans.  A modem that was well past it's service hours crapped out and after troubleshooting we (another soldier and I) replaced the problem card and had just finished the paperwork when she walked up and asked what the problem had been.  When the other soldier told her what the problem was she called him a liar.  I literally had to interpose myself to keep him from wringing her neck.
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: Lacarnut on April 15, 2013, 11:10:07 PM
Oh, and the ****ing teachers unions are a joke here.  If Chicago allowed for vouchers, some of those kids could escape the hell hole that is the south side. You think the Dems want to allow that? Rahm is closing numerous schools, but I doubt the smart kids who want to escape will have any choice of where they go.

Plenty of unfit teachers in the classroom throughout the US. My nephew got divorced from one and now separated from the other. Both of them are screwballs. The last one tried to commit suicide two years ago. She goes on sabbatical and comes back teaching. Evidently a mental disorder is not grounds to get rid of this loser. His soon to be ex does not weigh as much as the Doc but it is close. :lmao:    
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: Vagabond on April 15, 2013, 11:15:19 PM
A college degree today begins to make up for the appalling k-12 education. It's a baseline of qualification you need to get a job even at some McDonald's these days.  Without it, your chances of earning a decent living are much less.  
I have a PhD, which is an additional 10 years of education, proficiency in two foreign languages, major and minor comprehensive examinations, dissertation field work and a doctoral dissertation more than a BA.  A degree of any kind certainly is not an indicator of intelligence.  It just means the person had an opportunity to develop critical thinking skills and acquire a base of knowledge in a field.   There are some very well read people without college degrees.  People, however, who reject education and knowledge a priori have chosen to make themselves stupid.  Stupid is a choice.  Lack of opportunity does not make a person stupid.  Stupid is refusing to consider evidence and never challenging preexisting views.  

Nice how you choose to call people stupid and imply they can't make a living.  80% of Americans don't have a college degree.  A lot have what I have which is a few certifications that show we know our stuff.  College Education is really good for bleeding edge research and development, it is a good deal less useful in many other circumstances.
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: thundley4 on April 15, 2013, 11:31:58 PM
Nice how you choose to call people stupid and imply they can't make a living.  80% of Americans don't have a college degree.  A lot have what I have which is a few certifications that show we know our stuff.  College Education is really good for bleeding edge research and development, it is a good deal less useful in many other circumstances.

OTOH, look how many DUmmies claim to have college degrees yet  are scamming the welfare/disability/unemployment trains.
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: chitownchica on April 16, 2013, 01:05:21 AM
Plenty of unfit teachers in the classroom throughout the US. My nephew got divorced from one and now separated from the other. Both of them are screwballs. The last one tried to commit suicide two years ago. She goes on sabbatical and comes back teaching. Evidently a mental disorder is not grounds to get rid of this loser. His soon to be ex does not weigh as much as the Doc but it is close. :lmao:    

Ugh. Sounds like he's lucky to be away from both of them. 

Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: Zathras on April 16, 2013, 02:24:35 AM
I know the Dumbass is no longer around but I just can't resist


A college degree today begins to make up for the appalling k-12 education. It's a baseline of qualification you need to get a job even at some McDonald's these days.  Without it, your chances of earning a decent living are much less. So get back on the fry-o-lator and make me some fries DUmbass.  

I have a PhD, which is an additional 10 years of education, proficiency in two foreign languages, major and minor comprehensive examinations, dissertation field work and a doctoral dissertation more than a BA. In your case it was a wasted 14 years.  

A degree of any kind certainly is not an indicator of intelligence. You certainly prove this to be true judging by your inane postings. 

It just means the person had an opportunity to develop critical thinking skills and acquire a base of knowledge in a field. An opportunity that you failed to take advantage of.  

There are some very well read people without college degrees.  People, however, who reject education and knowledge a priori have chosen to make themselves stupid.  Stupid is a choice.  Lack of opportunity does not make a person stupid.  Stupid is refusing to consider evidence and never challenging preexisting views. I guess that makes you one of the most stupid people ever to walk the face of the earth then 

Someone needs to keep an eye on DU to see what story she spins to explain her time here.
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: txradioguy on April 16, 2013, 02:32:26 AM
Note to the Lurkers and the recently banned.

This was probably one of the worst attemtps at pwn3ng us ignorant racist Conservatives I've been privy to in quite a long time.

For those thinking of following in BB's footsteps...if you want to last here...don't follow her example.

If you'll notice she never answered direct questions put before her, she refused to cite sources for her statements and the one time she tried to back anything up...it was from Wiki.

She was arrogant, obtuse and without substance...quite the trifecta of "fail" for someone who claims to have a PhD. from UT.

BB was the embodiment of what happens when you only talk amongnst people who say the exact same things you do and do not allow or even entertain difference of opinion or thought...she was completely lost in the real world and it showed.

We're not scare of you, we don't quiver in your midst for fear of our beliefs being smashed.  Quite the opposite...we seek you idiots out we challenge you and we come prepared with facts...not fiction.

And we expect you to do the same.

Better luck next time.
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: diesel driver on April 16, 2013, 04:00:19 AM
Why are so many people with Ph.D's so freaking stupid? Why do so many people who allegedly have genius I.Q.'s unable to think their way out of a paper bag?

Just asking?

My first thought when I read that line was:

Joe Biden!   :lmao:

He's a genius.  Just ask him!   :rotf:
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: BadCat on April 16, 2013, 05:24:14 PM
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I have a PhD, which is an additional 10 years of education, proficiency in two foreign languages, major and minor comprehensive examinations, dissertation field work and a doctoral dissertation more than a BA.

Notice the ugly red manatee immediately mentions a "BA."  A "BA" is most worthless college degree they give, but it's common among liberals.  It basically means you never took a hard class.

Then SH/it says it took her 10 years PAST a "BA" to get a "PhD".  It takes most people 4 or 5 years past the Bachelor's degree, this idiot took 10!!!
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: JohnnyReb on April 16, 2013, 06:04:40 PM
It takes 10 years to get a PhD in Stupid ?????? Wow, that must be aw hard subject.
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: Big Dog on April 16, 2013, 06:16:53 PM
It takes 10 years to get a PhD in Stupid ?????? Wow, that must be aw hard subject.

I thought the rule was: If you spend 10 years at Clown College, they name an elephant after you....
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: chitownchica on April 16, 2013, 08:02:21 PM
Her PhD is probably like the stomp on Jesus prof at Florida Atlantic.  Here's his illustrious background:

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Dr. Poole’s research program focuses on the role mediated messages play in shaping individual attitudes and beliefs concerning issues of justice and inequality, and examines how leaders, organizations and other influential authorities dominate and oppress marginalized groups of people. In 2009, Dr. Poole completed his doctoral dissertation entitled: The Historic Presidential Campaign of 2008: A Content Analysis of Selected News Magazines Portrayal of Senator Barack Obama as a Mythical Hero in His Bid for the Presidency of the United States. His research has been presented at state, regional, national and international conferences. Presently, he is authoring the book, Obamamania: The Rise of a Mythical Hero, to be published by the Edwin Mellon Press. He has been teaching at the university level for six years.



This kind of bullshit degree is a joke.  Oh, and Dr. Poole is a Democrat official in Florida. Shocked?
Title: Re: International homicide rates, etc.
Post by: JohnnyReb on April 17, 2013, 04:21:26 AM
Her PhD is probably like the stomp on Jesus prof at Florida Atlantic.  Here's his illustrious background:



This kind of bullshit degree is a joke.  Oh, and Dr. Poole is a Democrat official in Florida. Shocked?

NO.