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The Bar => Introductions & Subsequent Welcomes => Topic started by: Lanie on June 10, 2008, 06:07:26 PM
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I've decided to become a contributing member if it's okay with certain people here. It's important that people know that I'm not all about a certain subject.
My name is Lanie. I'm seeking special education licensure because I want to teach and it's in really high demand. I also think that those who have disabilities can be empowered in ways that most don't realize.
I'm a Catholic. Go to mass once a week. Everytime I'm in the bookstore, I normally seek out the religious material. I particularly like Max Lucado and Joyce (can't remember her last name). I have no boyfriend, but open minded to guys who doesn't go at 90 mph.
I like to take afternoon walks, but it's getting dangerously hot lately.
Okay.
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You are free to stay, go, post, donate, whatever.
Just be good to my friends and all will be well.
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You are free to stay, go, post, donate, whatever.
Just be good to my friends and all will be well.
I could say the same thing about them and *my* friends, but they wouldn't listen.
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You are free to stay, go, post, donate, whatever.
Just be good to my friends and all will be well.
I could say the same thing about them and *my* friends, but they wouldn't listen.
We aren't fuddy-duddies here. You have to have a high post count or you get razzed.
Code of the West and all....
;)
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You are free to stay, go, post, donate, whatever.
Just be good to my friends and all will be well.
I could say the same thing about them and *my* friends, but they wouldn't listen.
We aren't fuddy-duddies here. You have to have a high post count or you get razzed.
Code of the West and all....
;)
I know certain people well enough around here to know the post counts have nothing to do with it.
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ok, i dont have the official flow chart for all the various message boards.
Lanie, are you the member also known as Bridget? If so, I know who you are I think...
but your post was suspiciously short :popcorn: :-)
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I second Freedumb's post.
By all means, contribute to CC. We welcome it. And the rest of you need to take her at her word until proven otherwise.
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I second Freedumb's post.
By all means, contribute to CC. We welcome it. And the rest of you need to take her at her word until proven otherwise.
Thank you. :)
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Welcome!
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Welcome! :cheersmate:
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You are free to stay, go, post, donate, whatever.
Just be good to my friends and all will be well.
I could say the same thing about them and *my* friends, but they wouldn't listen.
We aren't fuddy-duddies here. You have to have a high post count or you get razzed.
Code of the West and all....
;)
I know certain people well enough around here to know the post counts have nothing to do with it.
Everyone with small post counts immediately falls back on "it is what you do with it." ;)
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I second Freedumb's post.
By all means, contribute to CC. We welcome it. And the rest of you need to take her at her word until proven otherwise.
Is Hell freezing over already?
Just what we need, another freakin' worthless libtard here.
You're welcome at CU, gidget, go over there and play with gator.
Given the hours of fun I have had with TNO, I suggest not to be so hasty.
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I second Freedumb's post.
By all means, contribute to CC. We welcome it. And the rest of you need to take her at her word until proven otherwise.
Is Hell freezing over already?
Just what we need, another freakin' worthless libtard here.
You're welcome at CU, gidget, go over there and play with gator.
Nah. Hell is still pretty hot. :fuelfire: :naughty:
But we're better than the baseless accusations hurled our way. This isn't an echo chamber. Who needs to cut people off at the knees when we have the facts on our side? I don't speak for everyone but I'd like to think that we're not afraid of a little debate. Liberals, trolls, and hit & run posters weed themselves out if they don't break the rules and get tossed.
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I second Freedumb's post.
By all means, contribute to CC. We welcome it. And the rest of you need to take her at her word until proven otherwise.
Is Hell freezing over already?
Just what we need, another freakin' worthless libtard here.
You're welcome at CU, gidget, go over there and play with gator.
Nah. Hell is still pretty hot. :fuelfire: :naughty:
But we're better than the baseless accusations hurled our way. This isn't an echo chamber. Who needs to cut people off at the knees when we have the facts on our side? I don't speak for everyone but I'd like to think that we're not afraid of a little debate. Liberals, trolls, and hit & run posters weed themselves out if they don't break the rules and get tossed.
What are the rules? I read a post from WE saying "No rules, I hate them" or something.
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I second Freedumb's post.
By all means, contribute to CC. We welcome it. And the rest of you need to take her at her word until proven otherwise.
Is Hell freezing over already?
Just what we need, another freakin' worthless libtard here.
You're welcome at CU, gidget, go over there and play with gator.
Ah, let her stay. At least she's polite. And she can spell!
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I also think that those who have disabilities can be empowered in ways that most don't realize.
Empowered?
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Lanie - the rules were posted when you first registered here. There are also forum-specific rules and guidelines for posting stickied in the pertinent sections.
Here's a cut and paste -
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We still allow TNO to post here, so there obviously aren't many rules.
We approach the "I wouldn't be in a club that would have me as a member" event horizon.
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Another rule is keep your posts under 1,500 words. :fuelfire: :-)
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Another rule is keep your posts under 1,500 words. :fuelfire: :-)
Except Coach
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I second Freedumb's post.
By all means, contribute to CC. We welcome it. And the rest of you need to take her at her word until proven otherwise.
Is Hell freezing over already?
Just what we need, another freakin' worthless libtard here.
You're welcome at CU, gidget, go over there and play with gator.
Ah, let her stay. At least she's polite. And she can spell!
No, I can't. :D
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Lanie - the rules were posted when you first registered here. There are also forum-specific rules and guidelines for posting stickied in the pertinent sections.
Here's a cut and paste -
You agree, through your use of this forum, that you will not post any material which is false, defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, adult material, or otherwise in violation of any International or United States Federal law. You also agree not to post any copyrighted material unless you own the copyright or you have written consent from the owner of the copyrighted material. Spam, flooding, advertisements, chain letters, pyramid schemes, and solicitations are also forbidden on this forum.
Note that it is impossible for the staff or the owners of this forum to confirm the validity of posts. Please remember that we do not actively monitor the posted messages, and as such, are not responsible for the content contained within. We do not warrant the accuracy, completeness, or usefulness of any information presented. The posted messages express the views of the author, and not necessarily the views of this forum, its staff, its subsidiaries, or this forum's owner. Anyone who feels that a posted message is objectionable is encouraged to notify an administrator or moderator of this forum immediately. The staff and the owner of this forum reserve the right to remove objectionable content, within a reasonable time frame, if they determine that removal is necessary. This is a manual process, however, please realize that they may not be able to remove or edit particular messages immediately. This policy applies to member profile information as well.
You remain solely responsible for the content of your posted messages. Furthermore, you agree to indemnify and hold harmless the owners of this forum, any related websites to this forum, its staff, and its subsidiaries. The owners of this forum also reserve the right to reveal your identity (or any other related information collected on this service) in the event of a formal complaint or legal action arising from any situation caused by your use of this forum.
You have the ability, as you register, to choose your username. We advise that you keep the name appropriate. With this user account you are about to register, you agree to never give your password out to another person except an administrator, for your protection and for validity reasons. You also agree to NEVER use another person's account for any reason. We also HIGHLY recommend you use a complex and unique password for your account, to prevent account theft.
After you register and login to this forum, you will be able to fill out a detailed profile. It is your responsibility to present clean and accurate information. Any information the forum owner or staff determines to be inaccurate or vulgar in nature will be removed, with or without prior notice. Appropriate sanctions may be applicable.
Please note that with each post, your IP address is recorded, in the event that you need to be banned from this forum or your ISP contacted. This will only happen in the event of a major violation of this agreement.
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Okay, thank you.
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Another rule is keep your posts under 1,500 words. :fuelfire: :-)
Except Coach
franksolich, of course, is the exception that proves the rule. His long reads are damn interesting. :cheersmate:
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I also think that those who have disabilities can be empowered in ways that most don't realize.
Empowered?
Everybody likes to feel that they can do things for themselves. I once heard this story discussing this man who was in an institution his entire life. They didn't think he could learn anything. But somebody did think he could learn letters and sounds. So he worked with him to find ways he could learn it. One day, the instructor tried to get this man to spell something. He wouldn't spell that particular word, but he spelt out "thank you". I realize that story is rare, but it made me cry. Okay, me sensitive. Later.
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I also think that those who have disabilities can be empowered in ways that most don't realize.
Empowered?
Everybody likes to feel that they can do things for themselves. I once heard this story discussing this man who was in an institution his entire life. They didn't think he could learn anything. But somebody did think he could learn letters and sounds. So he worked with him to find ways he could learn it. One day, the instructor tried to get this man to spell something. He wouldn't spell that particular word, but he spelt out "thank you". I realize that story is rare, but it made me cry. Okay, me sensitive. Later.
Rare but an interesting story nonetheless.
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I've decided to become a contributing member if it's okay with certain people here. It's important that people know that I'm not all about a certain subject.
My name is Lanie. I'm seeking special education licensure because I want to teach and it's in really high demand. I also think that those who have disabilities can be empowered in ways that most don't realize.
I'm a Catholic. Go to mass once a week. Everytime I'm in the bookstore, I normally seek out the religious material. I particularly like Max Lucado and Joyce (can't remember her last name). I have no boyfriend, but open minded to guys who doesn't go at 90 mph.
I like to take afternoon walks, but it's getting dangerously hot lately.
Okay.
In other words:
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I've decided to become a contributing member if it's okay with certain people here. It's important that people know that I'm not all about a certain subject.
My name is Lanie. I'm seeking special education licensure because I want to teach and it's in really high demand. I also think that those who have disabilities can be empowered in ways that most don't realize.
I'm a Catholic. Go to mass once a week. Everytime I'm in the bookstore, I normally seek out the religious material. I particularly like Max Lucado and Joyce (can't remember her last name). I have no boyfriend, but open minded to guys who doesn't go at 90 mph.
I like to take afternoon walks, but it's getting dangerously hot lately.
Okay.
In other words:
(http://www.esreality.com/files/inlineimages/2008/64124-attention20whore3lm9.jpg)
Look who is talking.
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Are you the same Lanie that used to be at FR?
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Are you the same Lanie that used to be at FR?
No.
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Are you the same Lanie that used to be at FR?
No.
Just curious as to the name,that one ended up at CP.
Welcome to CC. :)
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Are you the same Lanie that used to be at FR?
No.
Just curious as to the name,that one ended up at CP.
Welcome to CC. :)
Thanks. :)
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I second Freedumb's post.
By all means, contribute to CC. We welcome it. And the rest of you need to take her at her word until proven otherwise.
Is Hell freezing over already?
Just what we need, another freakin' worthless libtard here.
You're welcome at CU, gidget, go over there and play with gator.
Ah, let her stay. At least she's polite. And she can spell!
No, I can't. :D
U do beter thn a teh 'tards. :-)
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I also think that those who have disabilities can be empowered in ways that most don't realize.
Empowered?
Everybody likes to feel that they can do things for themselves. I once heard this story discussing this man who was in an institution his entire life. They didn't think he could learn anything. But somebody did think he could learn letters and sounds. So he worked with him to find ways he could learn it. One day, the instructor tried to get this man to spell something. He wouldn't spell that particular word, but he spelt out "thank you". I realize that story is rare, but it made me cry. Okay, me sensitive. Later.
While I am glad that this story inspired you, I question it is a real event that occurred. I could go off on a soapbx here, but will refrain from doing so. Students present with varying levels of abilities, strengths and weaknesses. Every student is capable of learning. That is the simple premise you need to embrace while obtaining your goal of becoming a special education teacher.
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I have a couple of questions for lanie Don't recall your stance on abortion but How do you reconcile being Catholic with being pro-choice?{If you are pro choice} Number two...Why do some of these people apparently despise you, do you think?
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I have a couple of questions for bridget. Don't recall your stance on abortion but How do you reconcile being Catholic with being pro-choice?{If you are pro choice} Number two...Why do some of these people apparently despise you, do you think?
i havent talked to Lanie much at all over the years... i do know she has a rep for long posts, but i dont know what the content is.
Lanie, thats a good question up above... why do you think people react to you like they do?
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I have a couple of questions for bridget. Don't recall your stance on abortion but How do you reconcile being Catholic with being pro-choice?{If you are pro choice} Number two...Why do some of these people apparently despise you, do you think?
i havent talked to Lanie much at all over the years... i do know she has a rep for long posts, but i dont know what the content is.
Lanie, thats a good question up above... why do you think people react to you like they do?
Two reasons.
1) I showed up in response to stuff being said about people on another board, friends of mine. I found it as offensive as some of you all might find what I said to them. Normally not the way to get on the right foot.
2) Certain posters flat out admit to not wanting liberals here. They're free to put me on ignore.
I'm normally a very nice person. If I'm spoken to in a normal manner, then I have no problem with responding respectfully. If I'm treated really badly, then I admit that I have problems behaving. I've often held back bad words, but it's nearly impossible if ten to fifteen people are piling on. I just see no point in being nice then. I realize that I'm not a perfect poster, but I've found in different cyber environments, people don't have a problem with me. Most people agree that I'm a nice person at other places. I am a nice person, and a smart person. I won't listen to anybody tell me differently anymore. Now, if somebody wants to pick apart my argument, then I'm open minded to that.
As for how I reconcile being a pro-choice Catholic, I'm saving that for a day when I haven't already been bulldozed for no good reason. I probably won't post here a lot because people here are not nice from what I can tell. And yes, I am getting too old to put up with that. And no, I won't hold myself as the only person responsible for things going wrong because I get along just fine in other environments (oddly enough, none of them liberal and real life is even one of them).
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As for how I reconcile being a pro-choice Catholic, I'm saving that for a day when I haven't already been bulldozed for no good reason. I probably won't post here a lot because people here are not nice from what I can tell. And yes, I am getting too old to put up with that. And no, I won't hold myself as the only person responsible for things going wrong because I get along just fine in other environments (oddly enough, none of them liberal and real life is even one of them).
Sorry, but you can't be. Catholicism is not a buffet plan like many Protestant churches. With Catholicism, you take the whole thing or you just aren't a Catholic. You might be a good something else, but you are NOT a Catholic.
Endorsement of murder of any kind, especially the murder of innocent babies, is a Mortal Sin.
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As for how I reconcile being a pro-choice Catholic, I'm saving that for a day when I haven't already been bulldozed for no good reason. I probably won't post here a lot because people here are not nice from what I can tell. And yes, I am getting too old to put up with that. And no, I won't hold myself as the only person responsible for things going wrong because I get along just fine in other environments (oddly enough, none of them liberal and real life is even one of them).
Sorry, but you can't be. Catholicism is not a buffet plan like many Protestant churches. With Catholicism, you take the whole thing or you just aren't a Catholic. You might be a good something else, but you are NOT a Catholic.
Endorsement of murder of any kind, especially the murder of innocent babies, is a Mortal Sin.
Yes the Catechism is crystal clear about abortion. Abortion is only justified when saving the mother's life (not health, but "life")
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As for how I reconcile being a pro-choice Catholic, I'm saving that for a day when I haven't already been bulldozed for no good reason. I probably won't post here a lot because people here are not nice from what I can tell. And yes, I am getting too old to put up with that. And no, I won't hold myself as the only person responsible for things going wrong because I get along just fine in other environments (oddly enough, none of them liberal and real life is even one of them).
Sorry, but you can't be. Catholicism is not a buffet plan like many Protestant churches. With Catholicism, you take the whole thing or you just aren't a Catholic. You might be a good something else, but you are NOT a Catholic.
Endorsement of murder of any kind, especially the murder of innocent babies, is a Mortal Sin.
That applies to sex before marriage, contraceptives and pretty much everything else the Catholic religion has a stance on. If she has been baptized then she is Catholic, and her beliefs are between her and God. Whether or not she can receive communion, or should be excommunicated is up to her parish, not us.
I am a cradle to grave Catholic who misses mass on many occassions, have great issue with the Pope concerning the Church's position on infertility treatment, and a few other things I find to be just silly. A Bishop performed my wedding ceremony, and dang if he doesn't consider me a Catholic. Imagine?
Catholics aren't supposed to judge others by the way. I learned that when I was five I think -- the nuns beat it into me in Catholic School. :)
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As for how I reconcile being a pro-choice Catholic, I'm saving that for a day when I haven't already been bulldozed for no good reason. I probably won't post here a lot because people here are not nice from what I can tell. And yes, I am getting too old to put up with that. And no, I won't hold myself as the only person responsible for things going wrong because I get along just fine in other environments (oddly enough, none of them liberal and real life is even one of them).
Sorry, but you can't be. Catholicism is not a buffet plan like many Protestant churches. With Catholicism, you take the whole thing or you just aren't a Catholic. You might be a good something else, but you are NOT a Catholic.
Endorsement of murder of any kind, especially the murder of innocent babies, is a Mortal Sin.
That applies to sex before marriage, contraceptives and pretty much everything else the Catholic religion has a stance on. If she has been baptized then she is Catholic, and her beliefs are between her and God. Whether or not she can receive communion, or should be excommunicated is up to her parish, not us.
I am a cradle to grave Catholic who misses mass on many occassions, have great issue with the Pope concerning the Church's position on infertility treatment, and a few other things I find to be just silly. A Bishop performed my wedding ceremony, and dang if he doesn't consider me a Catholic. Imagine?
Catholics aren't supposed to judge others by the way. I learned that when I was five I think -- the nuns beat it into me in Catholic School. :)
I wasn't judging (at least on the Catholic part)-- I was providing the objective analysis. One of the hallmarks of Catholicism is its adherence to the catechism. You can stray, but you are supposed to see your sin, promise not to repeat it, and request atonement. If you disagree on peripheral issues, fine. Did you have a discussion with said Bishop about your difference with the Church? Or did you lie by omission and hide your true feelings? I didn't make the rules, I am just describing them.
As far as murdering babies, well you ARE supposed to see evil and identify it as such. Someone who says "we shouldn't judge" is abdicating the ability to discern.
ps: I am an ex-Catholic. But I know the doctrine very, very well.
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As for how I reconcile being a pro-choice Catholic, I'm saving that for a day when I haven't already been bulldozed for no good reason. I probably won't post here a lot because people here are not nice from what I can tell. And yes, I am getting too old to put up with that. And no, I won't hold myself as the only person responsible for things going wrong because I get along just fine in other environments (oddly enough, none of them liberal and real life is even one of them).
Sorry, but you can't be. Catholicism is not a buffet plan like many Protestant churches. With Catholicism, you take the whole thing or you just aren't a Catholic. You might be a good something else, but you are NOT a Catholic.
Endorsement of murder of any kind, especially the murder of innocent babies, is a Mortal Sin.
That applies to sex before marriage, contraceptives and pretty much everything else the Catholic religion has a stance on. If she has been baptized then she is Catholic, and her beliefs are between her and God. Whether or not she can receive communion, or should be excommunicated is up to her parish, not us.
I am a cradle to grave Catholic who misses mass on many occassions, have great issue with the Pope concerning the Church's position on infertility treatment, and a few other things I find to be just silly. A Bishop performed my wedding ceremony, and dang if he doesn't consider me a Catholic. Imagine?
Catholics aren't supposed to judge others by the way. I learned that when I was five I think -- the nuns beat it into me in Catholic School. :)
I wasn't judging (at least on the Catholic part)-- I was providing the objective analysis. One of the hallmarks of Catholicism is its adherence to the catechism. You can stray, but you are supposed to see your sin, promise not to repeat it, and request atonement. If you disagree on peripheral issues, fine. Did you have a discussion with said Bishop about your difference with the Church? Or did you lie by omission and hide your true feelings? I didn't make the rules, I am just describing them.
As far as murdering babies, well you ARE supposed to see evil and identify it as such. Someone who says "we shouldn't judge" is abdicating the ability to discern.
ps: I am an ex-Catholic. But I know the doctrine very, very well.
HAHA, no I did not lie to the Bishop. He is a family friend and knows my feelings pretty clearly, as do many other priests that I have had discussions with on the issue of infertility treatment.
I know the doctrine rather well myself, and until she is excommunicated then she is Catholic. It is a very rare breed of Catholic who embraces the religion in its entirety, nuts to soup -- as I think is the case for pretty much every religion.
Kerry and Kennedy are still Catholics by the way. They receive communion, and have not been excommunicated even though they are extremely vocal and high profile about their position on abortion.
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HAHA, no I did not lie to the Bishop. He is a family friend and knows my feelings pretty clearly, as do many other priests that I have had discussions with on the issue of infertility treatment.
I know the doctrine rather well myself, and until she is excommunicated then she is Catholic. It is a very rare breed of Catholic who embraces the religion in its entirety, nuts to soup -- as I think is the case for pretty much every religion.
Kerry and Kennedy are still Catholics by the way. They receive communion, and have not been excommunicated even though they are extremely vocal and high profile about their position on abortion.
So modern American Catholicism has rejected Doctrine. So being a Catholic has lost all meaning. And how the Eucharist doesn't burn the tongue of everyone in the kennedy clan is beyond me -- but that is between God and them.
Not enforcing it doesn't change doctrine, any more than not enforcing immigration laws makes the illegal aliens any less illegal.
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HAHA, no I did not lie to the Bishop. He is a family friend and knows my feelings pretty clearly, as do many other priests that I have had discussions with on the issue of infertility treatment.
I know the doctrine rather well myself, and until she is excommunicated then she is Catholic. It is a very rare breed of Catholic who embraces the religion in its entirety, nuts to soup -- as I think is the case for pretty much every religion.
Kerry and Kennedy are still Catholics by the way. They receive communion, and have not been excommunicated even though they are extremely vocal and high profile about their position on abortion.
So modern American Catholicism has rejected Doctrine. So being a Catholic has lost all meaning. And how the Eucharist doesn't burn the tongue of everyone in the kennedy clan is beyond me -- but that is between God and them.
Not enforcing it doesn't change doctrine, any more than not enforcing immigration laws makes the illegal aliens any less illegal.
Not enforcing it does not change doctrine, but it also does not make your statement that Lanie is not a Catholic true. She is by baptism, and will be until the day she is excommunicated -- that is doctrine also.
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HAHA, no I did not lie to the Bishop. He is a family friend and knows my feelings pretty clearly, as do many other priests that I have had discussions with on the issue of infertility treatment.
I know the doctrine rather well myself, and until she is excommunicated then she is Catholic. It is a very rare breed of Catholic who embraces the religion in its entirety, nuts to soup -- as I think is the case for pretty much every religion.
Kerry and Kennedy are still Catholics by the way. They receive communion, and have not been excommunicated even though they are extremely vocal and high profile about their position on abortion.
So modern American Catholicism has rejected Doctrine. So being a Catholic has lost all meaning. And how the Eucharist doesn't burn the tongue of everyone in the kennedy clan is beyond me -- but that is between God and them.
Not enforcing it doesn't change doctrine, any more than not enforcing immigration laws makes the illegal aliens any less illegal.
Not enforcing it does not change doctrine, but it also does not make your statement that Lanie is not a Catholic true. She is by baptism, and will be until the day she is excommunicated -- that is doctrine also.
You didn't understand my point. Catholicism doesn't allow picking and choosing. Yes, at the periphery there are many subjects that are up for discussion and dispute. Abortion is not one of those.
If you are a Catholic, it is because you believe it is God's Church. As such, when you stray from Doctrine, you stray from the Church and thus from God. Cheating on Doctrine and not getting caught is like cheating on your spouse and not getting caught. It doesn't mean you aren't unfaithful. You may continue to be married de jure, but you certainly are not married de facto.
So my statement is accurate.
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HAHA, no I did not lie to the Bishop. He is a family friend and knows my feelings pretty clearly, as do many other priests that I have had discussions with on the issue of infertility treatment.
I know the doctrine rather well myself, and until she is excommunicated then she is Catholic. It is a very rare breed of Catholic who embraces the religion in its entirety, nuts to soup -- as I think is the case for pretty much every religion.
Kerry and Kennedy are still Catholics by the way. They receive communion, and have not been excommunicated even though they are extremely vocal and high profile about their position on abortion.
So modern American Catholicism has rejected Doctrine. So being a Catholic has lost all meaning. And how the Eucharist doesn't burn the tongue of everyone in the kennedy clan is beyond me -- but that is between God and them.
Not enforcing it doesn't change doctrine, any more than not enforcing immigration laws makes the illegal aliens any less illegal.
Not enforcing it does not change doctrine, but it also does not make your statement that Lanie is not a Catholic true. She is by baptism, and will be until the day she is excommunicated -- that is doctrine also.
You didn't understand my point. Catholicism doesn't allow picking and choosing. Yes, at the periphery there are many subjects that are up for discussion and dispute. Abortion is not one of those.
If you are a Catholic, it is because you believe it is God's Church. As such, when you stray from Doctrine, you stray from the Church and thus from God. Cheating on Doctrine and not getting caught is like cheating on your spouse and not getting caught. It doesn't mean you aren't unfaithful. You may continue to be married de jure, but you certainly are not married de facto.
So my statement is accurate.
No actually it isn't. If you followed the Kerry excommunication discussions back in 2004 you would see where the Vatican stands on this specific issue. It is not your place, or my place for that matter, to make judgement on a Catholic's status with their religion or Church. That applies to Kennedy and Kerry also.
She is pro-choice, that If is between here and her parish as to her standing in the Church. If the Catholic religion had an all or nothing mandate they would have pretty much no members. Anywhere. The Catholic religion allowed practicing gays priests to perform mass did they not?
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No actually it isn't. If you followed the Kerry excommunication discussions back in 2004 you would see where the Vatican stands on this specific issue. It is not your place, or my place for that matter, to make judgement on a Catholic's status with their religion or Church. That applies to Kennedy and Kerry also.
She is pro-choice, that If is between here and her parish as to her standing in the Church. If the Catholic religion had an all or nothing mandate they would have pretty much no members. Anywhere. The Catholic religion allowed practicing gays priests to perform mass did they not?
No, it is. As I said, Catholicism IS an "all or nothing" doctrine. Skirting the issues doesn't change the underlying fundamentals. You are arguing de jure and I am arguing de facto.
And please, O Please, provide a link where the Vatican has acknowledged gay priests, much less allowed them to perform mass.
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I'm surprised no one has offered her a "No one gives a ****". What she's doing is Freudian. "Ok, I've changed my mind", "You guys should be elated and on your knees thanking me since the great Bridget/Lanie has decided to grace you with my presence".
No Lanie, to be honest? I don't give a ****. You offered nothing to establish yourself here. That's the problem. You're a liberal. This is a conservative site. I know I keep dropping Mia's name, but she established herself here. She could spout any liberal talking point she wanted, and we'd politely disagree. She might even get a little ragging. ...but she knows we're all friends to her here. You, however, took the different approach. You came in with your political ass on your shoulder. You didn't get to know anyone here, even though most knew you.
So, you can take your high and mighty attitude and shove it straight up your ass.
But have fun on CC.
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I'm surprised no one has offered her a "No one gives a ****". What she's doing is Freudian. "Ok, I've changed my mind", "You guys should be elated and on your knees thanking me since the great Bridget/Lanie has decided to grace you with my presence".
No Lanie, to be honest? I don't give a ****. You offered nothing to establish yourself here. That's the problem. You're a liberal. This is a conservative site. I know I keep dropping Mia's name, but she established herself here. She could spout any liberal talking point she wanted, and we'd politely disagree. She might even get a little ragging. ...but she knows we're all friends to her here. You, however, took the different approach. You came in with your political ass on your shoulder. You didn't get to know anyone here, even though most knew you.
So, you can take your high and mighty attitude and shove it straight up your ass.
But have fun on CC.
Well, we are pretty sure Mia is hawt. Lanie hasn't proferred anything to suggest she is also. So, we are waiting for proof.
And I have pretty much taken out her "Catholic but Murder Supporter" thing.
But, all things being equal, hawt wins out.
Just sayin'
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I'm surprised no one has offered her a "No one gives a ****". What she's doing is Freudian. "Ok, I've changed my mind", "You guys should be elated and on your knees thanking me since the great Bridget/Lanie has decided to grace you with my presence".
I do not have that attitude on here. There's a lot of people I don't know. There's people here I know who I haven't been mean to at all because they don't have a certain attitude toward me. I have had a jerky attitude with those who IMO were already being mean, but that's about it.
As for getting to know certain people, I already do know certain people. I've known them for years. That's how I developed certain opinions of them in the first place (I'm talking probably four or five people here, not the entire board). In fact, I thought things were better between me and certain people than they were until I was spoken to a certain way (insults when I didn't insult them before). I go by what's said to me here.
You talk about Miss Mia. That sounds legitimate, but I'd be interested in knowing how she got to that point first. I want to contribute stuff, but as I'm going along, I'd like to know I'm being given a chance. I'll test it out later.
To briefly answer the other person's question. I asked my RCIA director about my liberal beliefs and she said to stick with RCIA. Then I confessed to a priest who wasn't concerned about it (although he did tell me I had the wrong idea about gay rights). I confessed my liberal beliefs to a second priest, who said it wasn't a sin. I then confessed to a third priest who then asked if I had done it. I said I had not. He said that we're allowed to disagree regarding political ideas (sort of going toward the idea that the guilty party is those personally involved). Then I confessed to skipping church one week and he got all over me (so it's not like he was afraid to speak up). I realize there might come a point when a priest or somebody above his head tries to get me to stop being pro-choice. I figure I'll cross that bridge if I get to it. I think if I show my respect to authority in church that I probably won't be pushed to change this very often.
Meanwhile, being involved in special ed gives me a different pov on this subject lately because I've often looked at some of the kids I worked with and thought "Some would abort them before birth". That then makes me question whether abortion being legal doesn't add fuel to the "Some lives are important and some aren't" fire. The problem was there before Roe, but I don't think Roe is helping, so I am having second thoughts lately.
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No actually it isn't. If you followed the Kerry excommunication discussions back in 2004 you would see where the Vatican stands on this specific issue. It is not your place, or my place for that matter, to make judgement on a Catholic's status with their religion or Church. That applies to Kennedy and Kerry also.
She is pro-choice, that If is between here and her parish as to her standing in the Church. If the Catholic religion had an all or nothing mandate they would have pretty much no members. Anywhere. The Catholic religion allowed practicing gays priests to perform mass did they not?
No, it is. As I said, Catholicism IS an "all or nothing" doctrine. Skirting the issues doesn't change the underlying fundamentals. You are arguing de jure and I am arguing de facto.
And please, O Please, provide a link where the Vatican has acknowledged gay priests, much less allowed them to perform mass.
Gay pedophile priests being moved from church to church, ring any bells at all? Nah, the Vatican had no knowledge of that. Riiight.
Oh and I guess that there is probably a few dozen or so "real" Catholics in the world then.
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No actually it isn't. If you followed the Kerry excommunication discussions back in 2004 you would see where the Vatican stands on this specific issue. It is not your place, or my place for that matter, to make judgement on a Catholic's status with their religion or Church. That applies to Kennedy and Kerry also.
She is pro-choice, that If is between here and her parish as to her standing in the Church. If the Catholic religion had an all or nothing mandate they would have pretty much no members. Anywhere. The Catholic religion allowed practicing gays priests to perform mass did they not?
No, it is. As I said, Catholicism IS an "all or nothing" doctrine. Skirting the issues doesn't change the underlying fundamentals. You are arguing de jure and I am arguing de facto.
And please, O Please, provide a link where the Vatican has acknowledged gay priests, much less allowed them to perform mass.
Gay pedophile priests being moved from church to church, ring any bells at all? Nah, the Vatican had no knowledge of that. Riiight.
Oh and I guess that there is probably a few dozen or so "real" Catholics in the world then.
I said acknowledged. You really don't understand my argument. And you really don't know your Catechism.
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We need a new forum called The Crusades I think. :evillaugh:
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Yes, this Welcome thread has taken some rather interesting turns. :-)
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We need a new forum called The Crusades I think. :evillaugh:
(http://luciferknight.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/spanish_inquisition.jpg)
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No actually it isn't. If you followed the Kerry excommunication discussions back in 2004 you would see where the Vatican stands on this specific issue. It is not your place, or my place for that matter, to make judgement on a Catholic's status with their religion or Church. That applies to Kennedy and Kerry also.
She is pro-choice, that If is between here and her parish as to her standing in the Church. If the Catholic religion had an all or nothing mandate they would have pretty much no members. Anywhere. The Catholic religion allowed practicing gays priests to perform mass did they not?
No, it is. As I said, Catholicism IS an "all or nothing" doctrine. Skirting the issues doesn't change the underlying fundamentals. You are arguing de jure and I am arguing de facto.
And please, O Please, provide a link where the Vatican has acknowledged gay priests, much less allowed them to perform mass.
Gay pedophile priests being moved from church to church, ring any bells at all? Nah, the Vatican had no knowledge of that. Riiight.
Oh and I guess that there is probably a few dozen or so "real" Catholics in the world then.
I said acknowledged. You really don't understand my argument. And you really don't know your Catechism.
::)
Next.
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We need a new forum called The Crusades I think. :evillaugh:
OOOH! OOOH!!! I want to mod it! Pleeeeeeeeeeeeease??????
I'm a nice Catholic girl. :-)
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No actually it isn't. If you followed the Kerry excommunication discussions back in 2004 you would see where the Vatican stands on this specific issue. It is not your place, or my place for that matter, to make judgement on a Catholic's status with their religion or Church. That applies to Kennedy and Kerry also.
She is pro-choice, that If is between here and her parish as to her standing in the Church. If the Catholic religion had an all or nothing mandate they would have pretty much no members. Anywhere. The Catholic religion allowed practicing gays priests to perform mass did they not?
No, it is. As I said, Catholicism IS an "all or nothing" doctrine. Skirting the issues doesn't change the underlying fundamentals. You are arguing de jure and I am arguing de facto.
And please, O Please, provide a link where the Vatican has acknowledged gay priests, much less allowed them to perform mass.
Gay pedophile priests being moved from church to church, ring any bells at all? Nah, the Vatican had no knowledge of that. Riiight.
Oh and I guess that there is probably a few dozen or so "real" Catholics in the world then.
Being gay and being a pedophile are two different things.
Homosexuality is about attraction toward the same gender.
Pedophilia is about attraction toward kids.
Not the same.
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We need a new forum called The Crusades I think. :evillaugh:
OOOH! OOOH!!! I want to mod it! Pleeeeeeeeeeeeease??????
I'm a nice Catholic girl. :-)
Your avatar's cute. :)
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Being gay and being a pedophile are two different things.
Homosexuality is about attraction toward the same gender.
Pedophilia is about attraction toward kids.
Not the same.
The priests (male) molested boys or did they molest girls?
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Being gay and being a pedophile are two different things.
Homosexuality is about attraction toward the same gender.
Pedophilia is about attraction toward kids.
Not the same.
The priests (male) molested boys or did they molest girls?
I think it was all or mostly boys. However, the bible says a case looks legit until somebody else examines it. So let me try it.
Some experts think molestors are fixated at an early point of child development and that some are in a form of regression.
http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/HTML/facts_molestation.html
Perpetrators in the first category – those with a more or less exclusive interest in children – have been labeled fixated. Fixation means "a temporary or permanent arrestment of psychological maturation resulting from unresolved formative issues which persist and underlie the organization of subsequent phases of development" (Groth & Birnbaum, 1978, p. 176).
Regressed offenders have developed an adult sexual orientation but under certain conditions (such as extreme stress) they return to an earlier, less mature psychological state and engage in sexual contact with children.
Using the fixated-regressed distinction, Groth and Birnbaum (1978) studied 175 adult males who were convicted in Massachusetts of sexual assault against a child. None of the men had an exclusively homosexual adult sexual orientation. 83 (47%) were classified as "fixated;" 70 others (40%) were classified as regressed adult heterosexuals; the remaining 22 (13%) were classified as regressed adult bisexuals. Of the last group, Groth and Birnbaum observed that "in their adult relationships they engaged in sex on occasion with men as well as with women. However, in no case did this attraction to men exceed their preference for women....There were no men who were primarily sexually attracted to other adult males..." (p.180).
So heterosexuals are getting convicted of this far more often.
http://www.minddisorders.com/Ob-Ps/Pedophilia.html
Some researchers attribute pedophilia to arrested emotional development; that is, the pedophile is attracted to children because he or she has never matured psychologically. Some regard pedophilia as the result of a distorted need to dominate a sexual partner. Since children are smaller and usually weaker than adults, they may be regarded as nonthreatening potential partners. This drive for domination is sometimes thought to explain why most pedophiles are males.
What could this possibly have to do with being attracted to the same gender? Nothing that I can tell.
More info, including that a lot of pedophiles are married.
http://www.crimelibrary.com/criminal_mind/psychology/pedophiles/7.html
So most who are convicted of this are heterosexual, many of them are married, and the characteristics do not have anything to do with gender preference.
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Damn, I don't think I've ever seen a welcome thread turn political.
Homosexuals do not = pedophiles. To suggest such is asinine. There are many pedo's out there that have wives and families. They're still f'n douche bags who should be tapped in the forehead with a f'n .45ACP.
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If they are having sex with other males, regardless of the age of the other male, they are homosexuals. All the psychobabble in the world can't change the act into something it is not.
There is no such thing as "bisexual", BTW. They're just queers who sometimes have sex with correct sex.
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If they are having sex with other males, regardless of the age of the other male, they are homosexuals. All the psychobabble in the world can't change the act into something it is not.
Thank you Undies, well said.
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To briefly answer the other person's question. I asked my RCIA director about my liberal beliefs and she said to stick with RCIA. Then I confessed to a priest who wasn't concerned about it (although he did tell me I had the wrong idea about gay rights). I confessed my liberal beliefs to a second priest, who said it wasn't a sin. I then confessed to a third priest who then asked if I had done it. I said I had not. He said that we're allowed to disagree regarding political ideas (sort of going toward the idea that the guilty party is those personally involved). Then I confessed to skipping church one week and he got all over me (so it's not like he was afraid to speak up). I realize there might come a point when a priest or somebody above his head tries to get me to stop being pro-choice. I figure I'll cross that bridge if I get to it. I think if I show my respect to authority in church that I probably won't be pushed to change this very often.
What a load of shit, quit stinking up the place.
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Welcome. :cheersmate:
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To briefly answer the other person's question. I asked my RCIA director about my liberal beliefs and she said to stick with RCIA. Then I confessed to a priest who wasn't concerned about it (although he did tell me I had the wrong idea about gay rights). I confessed my liberal beliefs to a second priest, who said it wasn't a sin. I then confessed to a third priest who then asked if I had done it. I said I had not. He said that we're allowed to disagree regarding political ideas (sort of going toward the idea that the guilty party is those personally involved). Then I confessed to skipping church one week and he got all over me (so it's not like he was afraid to speak up). I realize there might come a point when a priest or somebody above his head tries to get me to stop being pro-choice. I figure I'll cross that bridge if I get to it. I think if I show my respect to authority in church that I probably won't be pushed to change this very often.
What a load of shit, quit stinking up the place.
You think I lied? If so, I'd be happy to let you meet him so he can give you an earfull too (after getting to know you of course).
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You think I lied? If so, I'd be happy to let you meet him so he can give you an earfull too (after getting to know you of course).
Well at least you know your liberal beliefs are wrong and felt the need to confess them......TWICE. :-)
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You think I lied? If so, I'd be happy to let you meet him so he can give you an earfull too (after getting to know you of course).
Well at least you know your liberal beliefs are wrong and felt the need to confess them......TWICE. :-)
Three times.
I didn't say they were wrong. I just know that abortion and homosexual marriage goes against the Catholic church. It's good to be upfront with the priests about it. I didn't want to feel like I was sneaking into the church.
The Catechism also says that we need to treat homosexuals with respect.
(runs).
lol.
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The Catechism also says that we need to treat homosexuals with respect.
(runs).
lol.
Yeah, love the sinner and not the sin.....
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The Catechism also says that we need to treat homosexuals with respect.
(runs).
lol.
Yeah, love the sinner and not the sin.....
:)
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No actually it isn't. If you followed the Kerry excommunication discussions back in 2004 you would see where the Vatican stands on this specific issue. It is not your place, or my place for that matter, to make judgement on a Catholic's status with their religion or Church. That applies to Kennedy and Kerry also.
She is pro-choice, that If is between here and her parish as to her standing in the Church. If the Catholic religion had an all or nothing mandate they would have pretty much no members. Anywhere. The Catholic religion allowed practicing gays priests to perform mass did they not?
No, it is. As I said, Catholicism IS an "all or nothing" doctrine. Skirting the issues doesn't change the underlying fundamentals. You are arguing de jure and I am arguing de facto.
And please, O Please, provide a link where the Vatican has acknowledged gay priests, much less allowed them to perform mass.
Gay pedophile priests being moved from church to church, ring any bells at all? Nah, the Vatican had no knowledge of that. Riiight.
Oh and I guess that there is probably a few dozen or so "real" Catholics in the world then.
Being gay and being a pedophile are two different things.
Homosexuality is about attraction toward the same gender.
Pedophilia is about attraction toward kids.
Not the same.
They are both.
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We need a new forum called The Crusades I think. :evillaugh:
OOOH! OOOH!!! I want to mod it! Pleeeeeeeeeeeeease??????
I'm a nice Catholic girl. :-)
Your avatar's cute. :)
Isn't she a doll? That's my baby on her first birthday. :-)
(I'm a very proud mommy, in case you can't tell.)
And just to jump in on this gay priests/pedophilia bandwagon...not all pedophile priests are gay. A pastor at a church here in DC was accused of molesting girls, and he admitted to it. So one cannot make a sweeping generalization that all pedophile priests are gay.
SECOND: There are gay seminarians. I knew several in college-and yes, I went to a Catholic college, WITH a seminary across the street. Many of them were closeted to everyone but themselves, and my suspicion is that they entered the priesthood as a way to convince themselves that they could be good Catholics and serve their God without succumbing to the homosexual lifestyle that the Church forbids. Now some seminaries accept and tolerate openly gay priests (St. Mary's in Baltimore, Theological College in DC, and Notre Dame among them) but the Church has stated that this is NOT acceptable. Why the American bishops see fit to disregard rulings from Rome is beyond me. Anyway, the Church has a stated policy on the difference between homosexuals and the homosexual lifestyle. Gay is OK! Just don't go committing sodomy.
THIRD: When John Kerry or any of the Kennedys has the gall to openly disregard the rules and tenets of the faith that they claim to adhere to, it behooves the Church to excommunicate them. Why this wasn't done is beyond me. Especially since these are people who are very public, very vocal figures. Every time one of them takes Communion, it just galls me. You can go ahead and disagree, but to do so very blatantly and then disregard the Church's order to cease receiving Communion is just beyond the pale.
ETA some links:
http://www.tldm.org/News5/seminaries.htm (http://www.tldm.org/News5/seminaries.htm) I'm kinda iffy on this website, but they have a good article on the seminaries that accept gay priests.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/bal-te.md.issues13jul13,0,7727631.story (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/bal-te.md.issues13jul13,0,7727631.story) Story from the Baltimore Sun about 'The Pink Palace.'
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THIRD: When John Kerry or any of the Kennedys has the gall to openly disregard the rules and tenets of the faith that they claim to adhere to, it behooves the Church to excommunicate them. Why this wasn't done is beyond me. Especially since these are people who are very public, very vocal figures. Every time one of them takes Communion, it just galls me. You can go ahead and disagree, but to do so very blatantly and then disregard the Church's order to cease receiving Communion is just beyond the pale.
VM While I agree with your opinion on both of those families. If the Catholic church were to just start excommunicating people for being "cafeteria catholics" there wouldn't be much of a church left here in the US. The majority of catholics in this country do not follow the churches doctrine to the letter.
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THIRD: When John Kerry or any of the Kennedys has the gall to openly disregard the rules and tenets of the faith that they claim to adhere to, it behooves the Church to excommunicate them. Why this wasn't done is beyond me. Especially since these are people who are very public, very vocal figures. Every time one of them takes Communion, it just galls me. You can go ahead and disagree, but to do so very blatantly and then disregard the Church's order to cease receiving Communion is just beyond the pale.
VM While I agree with your opinion on both of those families. If the Catholic church were to just start excommunicating people for being "cafeteria catholics" there wouldn't be much of a church left here in the US. The majority of catholics in this country do not follow the churches doctrine to the letter.
Better to sacrifice your principles for a larger congregation.
Makes sense.
Just one question: If you (anyone) don't agree with Catholicism, why (pretend to) be a Catholic?
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THIRD: When John Kerry or any of the Kennedys has the gall to openly disregard the rules and tenets of the faith that they claim to adhere to, it behooves the Church to excommunicate them. Why this wasn't done is beyond me. Especially since these are people who are very public, very vocal figures. Every time one of them takes Communion, it just galls me. You can go ahead and disagree, but to do so very blatantly and then disregard the Church's order to cease receiving Communion is just beyond the pale.
VM While I agree with your opinion on both of those families. If the Catholic church were to just start excommunicating people for being "cafeteria catholics" there wouldn't be much of a church left here in the US. The majority of catholics in this country do not follow the churches doctrine to the letter.
Better to sacrifice your principles for a larger congregation.
Makes sense.
Just one question: If you (anyone) don't agree with Catholicism, why (pretend to) be a Catholic?
Free, I don't necessarily think it's a matter of not agreeing with the church,more so that people are imperfect and fail at it on occasion. You mentioned being catholic at one time. Did you always follow the doctrine to the letter? If so then you are rare in this country. I also believe that when it comes to faith some people really lean on the tradition of it all. Picking and choosing the doctrine based on what they agree with. Freewill.....it is a bitch! :-)
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THIRD: When John Kerry or any of the Kennedys has the gall to openly disregard the rules and tenets of the faith that they claim to adhere to, it behooves the Church to excommunicate them. Why this wasn't done is beyond me. Especially since these are people who are very public, very vocal figures. Every time one of them takes Communion, it just galls me. You can go ahead and disagree, but to do so very blatantly and then disregard the Church's order to cease receiving Communion is just beyond the pale.
VM While I agree with your opinion on both of those families. If the Catholic church were to just start excommunicating people for being "cafeteria catholics" there wouldn't be much of a church left here in the US. The majority of catholics in this country do not follow the churches doctrine to the letter.
Better to sacrifice your principles for a larger congregation.
Makes sense.
Just one question: If you (anyone) don't agree with Catholicism, why (pretend to) be a Catholic?
I always agree with that, that a club as the right to set it's own rules. And it's not like in the old days or most of recorded history where one can be tortured for having the "wrong" beliefs or believing things contrary to the current king or whatever, so instead of trying to reform a club you don't agree with, start your own club or join an existing one that shares your values.
If one thinks killing babies is a-okay or starving people based on one's opinion their intelligence or inconvenience, there's always Planned Parenthood or the Church of Scientology.
Plenty o' choices to go around these days and people still choose, well the majority of them anyway, to be unhappy. And the funny thing is, most people choose to be unhappy about what other people choose to believe and those same people choose to be unhappy right back at them. As if in the big, wide, vast, wonderful world or Universe, there is only one way to think about things. And if the social milieu we were born into doesn't agree with how we think now, then it has to change! :lmao:
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THIRD: When John Kerry or any of the Kennedys has the gall to openly disregard the rules and tenets of the faith that they claim to adhere to, it behooves the Church to excommunicate them. Why this wasn't done is beyond me. Especially since these are people who are very public, very vocal figures. Every time one of them takes Communion, it just galls me. You can go ahead and disagree, but to do so very blatantly and then disregard the Church's order to cease receiving Communion is just beyond the pale.
VM While I agree with your opinion on both of those families. If the Catholic church were to just start excommunicating people for being "cafeteria catholics" there wouldn't be much of a church left here in the US. The majority of catholics in this country do not follow the churches doctrine to the letter.
Better to sacrifice your principles for a larger congregation.
Makes sense.
Just one question: If you (anyone) don't agree with Catholicism, why (pretend to) be a Catholic?
Free, I don't necessarily think it's a matter of not agreeing with the church,more so that people are imperfect and fail at it on occasion. You mentioned being catholic at one time. Did you always follow the doctrine to the letter? If so then you are rare in this country. I also believe that when it comes to faith some people really lean on the tradition of it all. Picking and choosing the doctrine based on what they agree with. Freewill.....it is a bitch! :-)
I don't know why this is so difficult for people. By doctrine and catechism, when you break the rules and DO NOT accept your sin, ask forgiveness, and promise NOT TO SIN AGAIN, then you remove yourself spiritually from the Church. You cease to be a Catholic in the eyes of God.
This isn't my "judgment" -- is CANONICAL.
If you don't agree with what the Church says, fine -- leave the Church: You already have anyway. If you believe that abortion is OK, then you are NOT a Catholic. Whether you go to Mass, perform the Sacraments, and go through the motions, that just means you are a poseur. God kicks you out, since He sees all.
There is a name for a cafeteria Catholic: a Protestant.
At least be honest with yourself and God.
That s why I left the Church -- I found too many illogicalities, even though I believe in God and His Son, Christ. I could have stayed, but to what end?
Just because The Church in the US has become corrupt and survival-oriented doesn't change Doctrine.
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THIRD: When John Kerry or any of the Kennedys has the gall to openly disregard the rules and tenets of the faith that they claim to adhere to, it behooves the Church to excommunicate them. Why this wasn't done is beyond me. Especially since these are people who are very public, very vocal figures. Every time one of them takes Communion, it just galls me. You can go ahead and disagree, but to do so very blatantly and then disregard the Church's order to cease receiving Communion is just beyond the pale.
VM While I agree with your opinion on both of those families. If the Catholic church were to just start excommunicating people for being "cafeteria catholics" there wouldn't be much of a church left here in the US. The majority of catholics in this country do not follow the churches doctrine to the letter.
Better to sacrifice your principles for a larger congregation.
Makes sense.
Just one question: If you (anyone) don't agree with Catholicism, why (pretend to) be a Catholic?
Free, I don't necessarily think it's a matter of not agreeing with the church,more so that people are imperfect and fail at it on occasion. You mentioned being catholic at one time. Did you always follow the doctrine to the letter? If so then you are rare in this country. I also believe that when it comes to faith some people really lean on the tradition of it all. Picking and choosing the doctrine based on what they agree with. Freewill.....it is a bitch! :-)
I don't know why this is so difficult for people. By doctrine and catechism, when you break the rules and DO NOT accept your sin, ask forgiveness, and promise NOT TO SIN AGAIN, then you remove yourself spiritually from the Church. You cease to be a Catholic in the eyes of God.
This isn't my "judgment" -- is CANONICAL.
If you don't agree with what the Church says, fine -- leave the Church: You already have anyway. If you believe that abortion is OK, then you are NOT a Catholic. Whether you go to Mass, perform the Sacraments, and go through the motions, that just means you are a poseur. God kicks you out, since He sees all.
There is a name for a cafeteria Catholic: a Protestant.
At least be honest with yourself and God.
That s why I left the Church -- I found too many illogicalities, even though I believe in God and His Son, Christ. I could have stayed, but to what end?
Just because The Church in the US has become corrupt and survival-oriented doesn't change Doctrine.
You are absolutely right :cheersmate:
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THIRD: When John Kerry or any of the Kennedys has the gall to openly disregard the rules and tenets of the faith that they claim to adhere to, it behooves the Church to excommunicate them. Why this wasn't done is beyond me. Especially since these are people who are very public, very vocal figures. Every time one of them takes Communion, it just galls me. You can go ahead and disagree, but to do so very blatantly and then disregard the Church's order to cease receiving Communion is just beyond the pale.
VM While I agree with your opinion on both of those families. If the Catholic church were to just start excommunicating people for being "cafeteria catholics" there wouldn't be much of a church left here in the US. The majority of catholics in this country do not follow the churches doctrine to the letter.
Exactly. However it is not just this country.
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