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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: franksolich on April 09, 2013, 10:33:07 PM
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/11581941
Oh my.
This, from someone who can afford a ham-bone for soup only once a year.
Yes, really, that's what she said a few months ago.
Horse with no Name (30,506 posts) Tue Apr 9, 2013, 03:34 PM
I bought a fabulous house. Need ceiling advice.
It is a fixer upper but I got it so cheap and the location is perfect so I couldn't pass it up! Although this means that I am remodeling two houses at once (my other house is going to my daughter so I will just be a bystander on that one,and yes, that is wishful thinking).
The ceiling in one room appeared to have a suspended ceiling....but there were a lot of damaged tiles so I started removing them to see what I had.
What I found was a ceiling of sheetrock with 1x2's hammered into the sheetrock to make a grid.
I have to be on a very tight budget....but I need some ideas on what to do with the ceiling...any takers?
Skippy from New York City pops in, although one wonders what someone from New York City would possibly know about house repairs:
NYC_SKP (48,074 posts) Tue Apr 9, 2013, 03:47 PM
1. Try to figure out why they did that, to hid sins?
Are there leaks, are there cracks, are you sure it's drywall and not plaster on wood lath?
Horse with no Name (30,506 posts) Tue Apr 9, 2013, 04:59 PM
3. There was a roof leak at one time and this is how they dealt with it
I am still removing tiles...not really sure what I am getting into but the living room is 800 sq ft. so I have a ways to go.
The homeowner disclosed that about the roof leak.
jeff47 (6,969 posts) Tue Apr 9, 2013, 04:23 PM
2. First, figure out what damaged the tiles because it probably damaged the ceiling.
For example, if it's water damage on the tiles, you should fix the leak before attempting to fix the ceiling.
After that, what you do depends on what exactly is wrong with the old ceiling. If it's just nail holes from the 1x2's, you're talking about a little spackle and some paint.
If the existing ceiling is damaged by something like a leak, but the damaged area is small (about 3" in diameter), remove the old material, and you can construct a patch that is supported by the old material. If you happen to be this lucky, I can explain how to do that in another post.
If there was a leak, it probably damaged a larger area. You'll need to replace the damaged ceiling, and then get out the paint. To fix it, remove the drywall/plaster in the damaged area. Then remove additional drywall/plaster until you have a roughly rectangular area that ends about 1/2 way through the ceiling joists (the wood that forms the structure behind the drywall/plaster). Your goal is to create a seam between the old and new drywall and have both sides of the seam anchored to the structure of the house. If most of the ceiling is damaged, it may be easier to tear down all of it and start over. If the existing ceiling is plaster, consider ripping all of it off if 1/4 to 1/2 of it is damaged - it's harder to repair than drywall.
From there, you need to cut a new piece, or pieces, of drywall to fill the hole. If the existing ceiling is drywall, then it's probably 1/2" drywall and you can just use new 1/2" drywall to end up with a flat surface. If the existing ceiling is plaster, then it will be much thicker - probably 1". Since you need the new material to line up with the old, you'll need to use 1/4" drywall strips on the joists, followed by a sheet of 3/4" drywall to fill the area.
Next, you'll need to tape the joints with drywall tape. For a repair like this, I recommend the fiberglass mesh tape. It's much easier to use than paper tape, especially overhead - it's self-adhesive, while the paper tape is not. Pros like paper tape because it's faster to end up with a smooth final surface, but they have the practice to make it work well.
Then you'll need to smooth over the tape and any other irregularities with drywall compound. There's two kinds - water based or cementitious. Water-based is available already mixed in a tub, or as bags you mix with water. You will have to wait at least overnight for the water-based versions to dry and harden before sanding and applying the next coat.
Cementitious versions will advertise the drying time on the bag, and are only available as powder. You mix the powder with water, spread it on the ceiling, and then wait the time on the bag. Do not get the 5 minute version - that's only good for either very experienced people, or very small areas. You'll need to wait at least double the time on the bag before sanding - the time on the bag is only the working time. It is better to wait longer.
You'll be putting on 2-3 coats of drywall compound. So don't try to fill any gaps in your first application. The compound will be too thick, and not dry properly - it shrinks when it dries, and you'll be left with a more difficult problem to solve in later coats.
So apply a coat. Let it dry. Sand it mostly smooth. Then apply a second coat. Let it dry. Then sand it smooth (note the loss of "mostly" from the previous coat). Repeat until you have a flat-looking ceiling.
Finally, if all that seems like way too much work, you could have an acoustic ceiling sprayed on the old ceiling to cover the damaged stuff. It looks like cottage cheese. It only comes in white. If you paint it another color, it will be very annoying to remove in the future. And it's a really, really, really bad idea to try and apply it yourself - you really want to hire it out if you're going for that solution.
Horse with no Name (30,506 posts) Tue Apr 9, 2013, 05:00 PM
4. Thanks for this!
I am still removing the ceiling tile--I honestly had expected a grid and was just going to replace the damaged tile. This was more than I had anticipated...but very helpful!
Skippy from New York City butts in again, so that the jeffnumbers primitive can't have the last word--although the jeffnumbers primitive, not being from New York City, probably knows something about house repairs:
NYC_SKP (48,074 posts) Tue Apr 9, 2013, 05:11 PM
5. If you do end up using joint compound at all....
Try to avoid sanding. Sanding is only needed if you can't apply it well.
I got through college doing remodel jobs and got pretty good with joint compound and plaster, never ever used sandpaper.
Put it on carefully enough and there's no need.
Also, with the tape, put some mud down then the tape then some more mud over the tape and smooth it out.
If the tape doesn't get moist throughout it'll give your trouble.
800 square feet, that's a big room!*
*maybe in New York City that's "big."
jeff47 (6,969 posts) Tue Apr 9, 2013, 05:23 PM
6. On the tape
That's what you do with paper tape.
If you use the fiberglass tape, you do not want to put any mud under it. You stick it directly to the drywall (which is why it's self-adhesive) and then mud over it.
And then Hussein von Slobber makes three a crowd, although since he's from Chicago (I think), probably he knows at least a little bit of something about house repair:
Hassin Bin Sober (8,428 posts) Tue Apr 9, 2013, 09:17 PM
7. I just want to throw in a few points....
If using the pre-mixed compound, do the first coat with the green top mix - it's stronger but hard to sand. Then top it with the blue top mix. That blue top isn't tough enough - especially with fiberglass. Use paper tape with the blue top.
The pros do the final top with that pre-mixed yellow stuff that comes in a box. Goes on like butter. Or so my brother/partner has been bitching to me on this ceiling repair we are working on.
I prefer to use the bag mix (hot mud) and mix it myself and go over the mesh tape. 90 minute mud - easy sand. I've had that blue top pre-mix get hairline cracks and had to go back and dig out the joints and re-mud with hot mud.
The hot mud is stronger. I had a pro on JLC (a pro forum) say the fiberglass tape is not needed if you use hot mud. I don't know about that. Seems risky.
Hot mud and fiberglass tape is the way to go for a novice. IMO. Paper tape can be a little tricky for a novice.
Like you said up-thread - many coats. Less is more. Apply a coat and take off the excess. The first 2 or three coats just fills in the gaps (and the shrinkage) as you proceed. I used to do 2 coats and a feather coat but now I do 3 coats and a feather coat - with knocking down any "boogers" with a taping knife in between coats.
The biggest mistake is trying to get it "perfect" on your first coats. The first coats just set up a flat surface. The you can do a final feather coat.
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Burn it down.
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The dick inspecting business must be looking up.
First she was moving out of the trailer into an abandoned farmhouse, then that fell through.
Then she was moving out of the trailer park into some dump that she could completely renovate, inside and out, for $30,000 (about 2000 dicks' worth).
Now she's got another hovel nearly destroyed by a leaking roof. Sounds like a good location for a pie shop.
It's better than another thread about the muslim wrecking Social Security, but not much.
I still wish Horse with no Brain would get back to more stories about her slutty shacked-up daughter.
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She's going to give a house to a daughter who can't even handle paying for a TV? If the house isn't already a hovel, it soon will be.
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She's going to give a house to a daughter who can't even handle paying for a TV? If the house isn't already a hovel, it soon will be.
It's all lies :panic:
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So many of these DUmmies are like poorly conceived characters in a poorly written story. There is not a lot of continuity.
DC Comics had a lot of continuity problems with their characters. In '85 or '86 they had a series called "Crisis on Infinite Earths" (or something like that) to attempt to solve the problems. If I remember correctly, they pretty much destroyed everything then put it back together again.
Maybe that is why nadin is always calling for the end of the world as we know it. She's trying for a "Crisis on Infinite DUs" to solve their continuity problems.
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Burn it down.
That was my first thought too.....and collect insurance.....buy more drugs.
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Look at all the time and effort those guys put into providing all that detailed instruction! None of any of it is ever going to happen.
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Look at all the time and effort those guys put into providing all that detailed instruction! None of any of it is ever going to happen.
CEL-O-TEX and a staple gun......how hard is that?
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I do believe that NYC_SKP lives in San Fran.
That being said, what would anyone in fag city know about renovation? Their specialty is decorating.
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I do believe that NYC_SKP lives in San Fran.
That being said, what would anyone in fag city know about renovation? Their specialty is decorating.
That's what illegal aliens are for.
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I do believe that NYC_SKP lives in San Fran.
That being said, what would anyone in fag city know about renovation? Their specialty is decorating.
They are still repairing houses after the last big quake in 1989.
The old hag needs to have popcorn blown onto her ceiling. Preferably with asbestos for added strength.
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They are still repairing houses after the last big quake in 1989.
The old hag needs to have popcorn blown onto her ceiling. Preferably with asbestos for added strength.
Are the fags making buildings with two back doors?
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The old hag needs to have popcorn blown onto her ceiling.
That sounds like a variation of having her salad tossed.
That'll put a smile on the old gal's face!
:hyper: :hyper: :hyper:
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Off topic, but isn't Jeffnumbers NanceGreggs' husband. Wonder what ever happened to her?
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It's all lies :panic:
Yeah, it makes for a funny story, though, when thinking of someone who gets a TV repo'd now taking care of a house.
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Horse with no Name
... but I got it so cheap ... so I couldn't pass it up!
Sounds like you got what you paid for.
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The hassin primitive has some fairly good advice. Kudos to them.
The nyc_skp primitive suggesting someone finish a drywall compounding job without sanding is an idiot. That is just sloppy, and lazy.
I've witnessed much work like the nyc_skp primitive, that wasn't sanded. I'm sure whoever did it thought it looked great. They should have invested in glasses.
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Jesus.
They make it so easy, sometimes...
Why is every DUer either poor, dirty, mentally deranged, handicapped, on SSDI, or receiving HUD assistance, or Section 8, or EBT cards, or any combination thereof?
Talk about stereotypes...
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Are the fags making buildings with two back doors?
Only the "female" ones.
They also build/buy houses without studs, too. All "tongue-in-grove". :lmao: :tongue:
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I have some advice for anyone buying a used house. Don't do it unless you intend to live in it until you die.
I dogged the bullet with my 90 year old home in VA. 2/12 storey's, a for the area unusual full cellar, big and beautiful, big front porch, good area, I was in heaven as the asking price for it was $28,000 in 1974.
The seller was a Realtor and he arranged all the financing for me, all the inspections and did the VA paperwork. Hubby was on a 9 month cruise, skimmer at the time and had left me with a POA to buy the home.
After 10 years we divorced and he gave me the house. My children were growing up and moving out so I put the house up for sale. The city inspector came in told me a friend was interested in the house, it had good bones he said. So I sold to him and EX and I split the equity around $10,000 and moved on.
25 years later the kids and I visiting decided to ride out and check out the old home. We drove past it twice not recognizing the home I raised them in for 10 years. Fortunately the across the street neighbors still lived there and were home.
Interesting tale they had on the past years. Seems the new owner found so many things wrong with the structure that went back years before we bought it, those good bones were to be found to have big time diseases.
They told us it had taken the new owner --gasp--10 years to bring it up to code. They had to remove half the windows and cover them over with siding. Cellar had pipes covered with Asbestos, Attic had old wiring with cermatic insulators. All wiring had to be replaced, plumbing shot and brand new heating system and the roof needed repair.
All those years we lived in the home we had no problems as we did not look for any. Lucky we got out when we did, the new owner should have burned it down and rebuilt a smaller home on the cellar hole.
Times change the inspector from the city was due to retire and he was able to pass all the things wrong, the NEW inspector hower ever was new to the game and hard nosed about everything.
So this beautiful home inspected by 3 agency's and passed when we bought it, 10 years later when we sold it now cost the new owner $150.000.00 to upgrade it and 10 years to do so.
Have to take into consideration climate when buying an old home, this home had no insulation, a sewer system 60 years old, the heating was a conversion from coal to oil. The windows ran on the old weight and rope method. A good many did not open at all.
BTW when buying a older home with drop ceilings remove the tiles to see what is above them that someone wanted to hide, water or fire damage ?
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The windows ran on the old weight and rope method. A good many did not open at all.
Old double-hung windows happen to be my personal favorite, for several reasons. They look great, all parts are replaceable, and when kept up, are perfectly balanced.
I've slowly been restoring and repainting/reshellacing each one in my house- putting in new cord, squaring up the sashes, repointing and reglazing the glass, etc.
Many people that come over to visit love to push open or close the sashes with only the pressure from their pinky finger.