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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: SSG Snuggle Bunny on March 30, 2013, 07:56:17 AM
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Dumbasses never look at anything as a system. Evrey issue that arises is dealt with piecemeal. It makes it easier to issue evasions and avoid responsibility.
Case in point: If you warn them that destroying corporations destroys jobs they tell you consumer demand will magically make the factories appear. If they want infrastructure projects and that jobs that supposedly come with them they want the corporations they demand be destroyed to pay for them.
The only constant is DESTROY THE CORPORATION!
They have no principle other than bitterness and hate to punish the workd that rejects their genius while others lesser beings propser.
Consider...
ProSense (95,999 posts)
Fast Food Chains Realize Obamacare Will Cost Them Much Less Than They Predicted
Fast Food Chains Realize Obamacare Will Cost Them Much Less Than They Predicted
By Rebecca Leber
Fast food chains have been some of Obamacare’s biggest critics, issuing warnings of new surcharges, higher costs, and laid-off workers because of the health reform law. Many of them have now changed their thinking. By the new estimates from several chains — including Wendy’s, Popeye’s, Jack in the Box, and Chipotle — Obamacare will actually cost about 80 percent less than they originally warned.
Those include companies whose franchises have already taken preemptive action to avoid providing their employees with health coverage, including one Nebraska Wendy’s chain.
According to the Wall Street Journal:
Wendy’s Co. initially estimated the health-care law would increase the cost of operating each of its 5,800 U.S. restaurants by $25,000 a year. But Chief Financial Officer Steve Hare told an investment conference on March 14 that executives have cut the estimate by 80%, to $5,000 a year, primarily because they expect many employees to decline the insurance offering.
“It is still going to be an additional cost that both the company and our franchisees will have to absorb, but we think it is going to be manageable,†Mr. Hare said.
The CEO of Dunkin’ Brands Group also softened criticism of the law earlier this month, when he explained to shareholders that Obamacare’s costs “are not as high as some people have said†and “we can mitigate those costs very easily.â€
Company executives say the reason why they exaggerated their estimates is because workers are opting out of the employer-sponsored high-deductible plan that fast food chains typically offer. Those kind of high-deductible plans are popular ways for large companies to lower their profits, but they’re not always the best choice for low-wage workers...Before exaggerating the impacts of health reform, fast food restaurants could have turned to analyses that showed Obamacare would impose only a negligible cost on large businesses, while actually helping small businesses.
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/03/28/1788571/fast-food-obamacare-costs/
What they did was push the anti-Obamacare meme hoping for a Romney Presidency and a repeal of the law. Now they have to explain to investors why their companies aren't going to go under. Basically, they were pushing bullshit.
The Latest Attack On Obamacare Conveniently Ignores The Law’s Cost-Cutting Provisions
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022578323
Howard Dean on the health care law
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022560359
But then one astute reader caught what I caught:
Cal Carpenter (1,933 posts)
7. I can't help but wonder
Last edited Thu Mar 28, 2013, 05:56 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)
about this part:
"...primarily because they expect many employees to decline the insurance offering..."
Is this because they already have coverage from a parent, spouse, or other employer? Or is this because the out of pocket expenses (part of premium, copays, etc) for the worker would be prohibitive anyway so they are still not insured?
Because if it is the latter, I am hard-pressed to consider this any kind of good news.
And this paragraph from that article (now that I've actually gone and read it, heh) really makes me think the latter is the case:
"Company executives say the reason why they exaggerated their estimates is because workers are opting out of the employer-sponsored high-deductible plan that fast food chains typically offer. Those kind of high-deductible plans are popular ways for large companies to lower their profits, but they’re not always the best choice for low-wage workers. For instance, many companies that set up high-deductible insurance plans max out at up to $10,000. They can leave low-income workers worse off, because you can spend more than that sum on a single emergency room visit. "
Really, the point of the ACA is to get more health care coverage to more people. To make it affordable, right? These are the workers who need help the most. Even with the tax credit, they still cannot afford it. So they are still uninsured and possibly paying a tax penalty to boot.
Perhaps I am missing something
And then NoSense posts some charts showing how people who earn as much as 400% the poverty line get some sort of subsidy and CalCarpenter shows that those subsidies would be insufficient for most.
But what the ensuing conversation neglects is the fact that those people are now being dumped into the government rolls and a tsunami of expense is headed toward the already depleted federal coffers.
Their next war cray will be "RAISE CORPORATE TAXES!" to cover it (corporations don't pay taxes, as they already admitted when they applauded the repeal of the medical device tax) but the purpose of the OP was to thumb their noses at the RW talking point that ObamaCoup was going to unduly raise corporate operating costs.
Liberalism isn't about consistency or principles. It is about revenge and destroying those who refuse to bow down.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022580511
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Every time ProSense tries to polish this turd it always gets caught because it is such a disastrous mess.
Between Europes (imo) inevitable collapse,QE III until infinity and this thing hitting in 2014 I fear very dark times ahead.
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Every time ProSense tries to polish this turd it always gets caught because it is such a disastrous mess.
Between Europes (imo) inevitable collapse,QE III until infinity and this thing hitting in 2014 I fear very dark times ahead.
If you have the Obamacare squirts, you can't even make a turd to polish.