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Current Events => General Discussion => Topic started by: Ptarmigan on March 28, 2013, 03:42:07 PM
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Buffalo Wild Wings Refuses Service For Police Officers Carrying Guns
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/03/28/buffalo-wild-wings-refuses-service-for-police-officers-carrying-guns/
MANASSAS, Va. (CBSDC) — A server at Buffalo Wild Wings refused to serve Prince William County police officers because they had their guns displayed.
The Manassas Park Patch reports that the employee wouldn’t serve them despite the plain-clothes officers showing him their badges. The server reportedly told the officers that it was a gun-free establishment.
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Some Denny's tried that too. Now all the crooks know exactly where to go.
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I wonder how many of their customers are carrying concealed they never even know about?
KC
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I wonder how many of their customers are carrying concealed they never even know about?
KC
In my state if they have a sign on the door barring concealed weapons.....then those carrying are criminals. I think it's a $2,000 fine and 2 years prison time mandatory if you have a concealed carry permit because you're supposed to know better..
If a criminal is caught in there with a weapon, the judge can take his weapon, fine him some small amount and put him right back on the street...that ain't right.... :censored: :banghead:
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Don't laws about this excuse police officers?
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In my state if they have a sign on the door barring concealed weapons.....then those carrying are criminals. I think it's a $2,000 fine and 2 years prison time mandatory if you have a concealed carry permit because you're supposed to know better..
If a criminal is caught in there with a weapon, the judge can take his weapon, fine him some small amount and put him right back on the street...that ain't right.... :censored: :banghead:
In Texas they can put up all the "No Firearms Allowed" signs they want to but if it isn't an official 30.06 sign it means nothing.
This one I'll walk right by;
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-keh8_JcvmyQ/Tct9Iy4eXsI/AAAAAAAACAY/OxvBUvwlVwY/s1600/latewinter2011+093.JPG)
This one, on the other hand;
(http://2swordsprotection.com/images/30.06.jpg)
That one will get you arrested.
KC
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The server reportedly told the officers that it was a gun-free establishment.
Sounds like an invitation to a massacre.
I hope they have signs so I can avoid such establishment. Then again I guess I'll just avoid Buffalo Wild Wings, so I can be sure.
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Apparently Buffalo Wild Wings is Playing Stupid Games... I just hope that the Stupid prize they earn isn't too ridiculous. :banghead: :banghead:
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Don't laws about this excuse police officers?
The proprietor need only obey public accommodation laws and cop is not a protected class like race or religion.
"**** you and your stripey tie," is all the excuse the manager needs.
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Server should be fired. Period. He/she/it reacted politically, and emotionally as all liberals do. That should cost it it's job.
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Coming soon to a Buffalo Wild Wings?
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jomr9SAjcyw[/youtube]
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Some Denny's tried that too. Now all the crooks know exactly where to go.
Precisely. I wonder how much longer that place will be in business.
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Scott Lupton, general manager of the Manassas Buffalo Wild Wings, apologized for what happened.
“There is no reason why those officers should have been asked to leave … police officers are always welcome in my establishment and even though we do have a no gun policy, as a company that excludes off duty police officer,†Lupton said in an email, according to the Patch. “As a company we are community oriented. We appreciate everything that police officers do for us.â€
WWBT-TV reports that Lupton has reached out to the officers to apologize. He also went down to the police department with an apology letter.
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/03/28/buffalo-wild-wings-refuses-service-for-police-officers-carrying-guns/
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Maybe I am the only one, but it bothers me that their policy excludes off duty police.
Considering there has been all this yammering for equality the past couple of days, why should an off duty police officer have the right to possess his or her tool for defense yet ordinary citizens are not allowed that right? I thought equality was the big thing now, yet here is another situation where some are more equal than others.
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Maybe I am the only one, but it bothers me that their policy excludes off duty police.
Considering there has been all this yammering for equality the past couple of days, why should an off duty police officer have the right to possess his or her tool for defense yet ordinary citizens are not allowed that right? I thought equality was the big thing now, yet here is another situation where some are more equal than others.
You're not the only one.
KC
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I agree, if they are OFF duty, wearing street clothes, they should be treated the same way as everyone else. Everyone, should have the right to defend themselves.
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Gun free zones=DUmmie gathering places......or target rich environment.....whichever you prefer.
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Don't laws about this excuse police officers?
It has nothing to do with public law, it's the policy of that establishment. Talking 'The law' in this case would be the same as some numbnuts whining about his First Amendment rights for having a post stricken on an internet forum.
The restaurant's policy is fine with me, though - if they want to have stupid rules, they can apply the same stupid rules to everybody, cops included.
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It has nothing to do with public law, it's the policy of that establishment. Talking 'The law' in this case would be the same as some numbnuts whining about his First Amendment rights for having a post stricken on an internet forum.
The restaurant's policy is fine with me, though - if they want to have stupid rules, they can apply the same stupid rules to everybody, cops included.
I was just wondering if state laws allow, or required, off-duty cops to carry. My buddy on the Chicago police department carries all the time.
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In Texas they can put up all the "No Firearms Allowed" signs they want to but if it isn't an official 30.06 sign it means nothing.
This one I'll walk right by;
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-keh8_JcvmyQ/Tct9Iy4eXsI/AAAAAAAACAY/OxvBUvwlVwY/s1600/latewinter2011+093.JPG)
This one, on the other hand;
(http://2swordsprotection.com/images/30.06.jpg)
That one will get you arrested.
KC
Don't forget this one!
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j7/cjranucci/51-Sign1.jpg)
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Don't forget this one!
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j7/cjranucci/51-Sign1.jpg)
Yes, that one too. I won't walk past that one either but the top picture in my post and any variation of it ... I'm gonna be armed.
KC
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Maybe I am the only one, but it bothers me that their policy excludes off duty police.
Considering there has been all this yammering for equality the past couple of days, why should an off duty police officer have the right to possess his or her tool for defense yet ordinary citizens are not allowed that right? I thought equality was the big thing now, yet here is another situation where some are more equal than others.
Where I come from police officers are always on duty. I have seen off duty officers stop crimes.
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Why should an off duty cop be treated any differently than any other citizen?
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Why should an off duty cop be treated any differently than any other citizen?
Where I used to live, way before the CCW days off duty police officers were always allowed to carry a weapon no matter where they went. It was usually on their ankle.
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Where I used to live, way before the CCW days off duty police officers were always allowed to carry a weapon no matter where they went. It was usually on their ankle.
I understand that. But that doesn't answer my question.
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I understand that. But that doesn't answer my question.
Maybe you should ask BWW?
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Yes, that one too. I won't walk past that one either but the top picture in my post and any variation of it ... I'm gonna be armed.
KC
I paid attention in class. :-)
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Why should an off duty cop be treated any differently than any other citizen?
I have nothing to point toward on this, only the very real sense that a cop - even when off-duty - isn't really off-duty. He/she is expected to address crimes if/when they're encountered by the cop regardless of duty status at the time.
So in that sense, a cop isn't really a "citizen". Their sworn duties, etc., etc. take them beyond normal citizenry.
I put the military in the same sort of category, though the expectation of addressing crimes where and when they occur isn't the focal point of the military. But the military's sworn duties, per se, take them beyond normal citizenry.
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Actually Euph, I believe citizens have the same requirements to try to stop a crime in progress if they are capable.
I won't take the time to look it up but I believe I've read it before.
KC
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I paid attention in class. :-)
:cheersmate:
KC
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Actually, requirement wasn't the word I wanted. Expectation would be more correct.
KC
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Actually Euph, I believe citizens have the same requirements to try to stop a crime in progress if they are capable.
I won't take the time to look it up but I believe I've read it before.
KC
Hmmm. While there are such things as "Good Samaritan Laws" (especially in Germany, especially when addressed toward traffic accidents and rendering aid to those injured), I am not at all aware of any LAWS anywhere that compel people to address crimes when they are in process.
Most of the time, normal citizens are going to scream and run, not address a perp when he's busting caps all over the place.
For cops, they don't have the "luxury" of ignoring that bad guy. Normal citizens can, I believe -- and this is not to suggest that doing so is a good idea all the time (which gives rise to the handle "sheeple").
For those who make the decision to obtain CCW, and they're carrying, they still have a choice to return fire or become sheep.
After Va Tech, I swore I wouldn't become one of those victims. But no law forced me to make that decision.
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I believe regular citizens have the same expectations as a cop, whether they are on duty or off.
The USSC has ruled the police have no duty to protect you. Neither do I but there is an expectation of protection.
Perhaps DAT will weigh in on this for us. DAT, what say you amigo?
KC
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I believe regular citizens have the same expectations as a cop, whether they are on duty or off.
The USSC has ruled the police have no duty to protect you. Neither do I but there is an expectation of protection.
Perhaps DAT will weigh in on this for us. DAT, what say you amigo?
KC
How does the law define "expectations?" That's the part that has me befuddled. And which law? Where?
If you're speaking of state law in Texas, that's one thing. Maybe Texas has such a law of "expectations" of citizenry when they witness a crime in progress. Federal law is something else, and while I'm no attorney (DAT, where are you?), I think it's a very, very difficult point to cite.
Here's my take on why your supposition does not make sense. While common sense tells us that a perp busting caps and taking people out is a crime and the perp needs to be stopped, preferably permanently with two to center mass and one to the head, your average citizen isn't trained on what the law is.
Therefore, from a legal perspective, that citizen cannot make a legal judgment as to what comprises legal and illegal activity, especially when it comes to using force to stop that activity.
A cop, on the other hand, has been trained, has taken an oath, and otherwise is qualified to make those types of judgments. That's yet another reason why cops aren't really "off-duty" and are expected to carry 24/7.
Show me where I'm wrong.