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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: SSG Snuggle Bunny on March 25, 2013, 09:55:16 AM
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Yet, his seed find no purchase.
baldguy (29,536 posts)
"90% of the guns in America are owned by White people in the suburbs."
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"What are these White people so afraid of in the suburbs? Do they think little red-headed, freckle-faced Jimmy down the street is going to kill them? Mug them? I don't think so. Are they afraid that the guy next door is going to break in and steal their TV? No, because they know the guy next door makes $50-60 thousand a year.
"Poverty & Racism. Most of our shootings are essentially coming from two groups: The poor, the group of poor people which we will not ever change, it seems and who find so much violence in their neighborhood. And then people who are just insane. In history we have always had insane people, as you just said. For the insane people we want to make it as hard as possible for them to get their hands on a gun, and if they get a gun, to fire as few bullets as possible
"For the group we never talk about, when we have these big shows after the school shootings. Most of the violence, where the people are dying are African-Americans, Hispanics and poor people. If we ever addressed that problem, if we ever made it so Chicago, East L.A., or Detroit were places that were thriving and where we had jobs, and people were paid a middle-class wage. What's the chance that you, walking home tonight in your middle-class neighborhood and being shot by somebody with a handgun? Very, very small."
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The very laws which allow 90% of the guns to be in the hands of middle-class, suburban White people allows the atrocities of urban violence to occur.
And to those suburban White gun owners whose lives are never threatened, but live in deathly fear anyway? The endless deaths of young Black & Hispanic children is a price they're willing to pay for their "freedom".
hack89 (19,934 posts)
1. Moore pulled that number out of his ass
[That's why it's such a big number --Sgt SB]
there is no way to determine who owns what guns.
el_bryanto (3,353 posts)
3. I agree that he most likely did pull that number out of his ass
But surely there are ways to make estimates.
Bryant
hack89 (19,934 posts)
6. He needs to back up his claim.
is that such an unreasonable thing to expect?
baldguy (29,536 posts)
4. Prove it.
Tell me why there's no way to know who owns guns.
premium (193 posts)
7. Because there's no national registry.
I would like to see Moore's proof of what he claims about 90% of gun owners being white, middle class suburban males, until then, I'll take what he says with a huge grain of salt.
pipoman (9,755 posts)
2. Numbers and percetages mean something
if they are factual...if they are made up fabrications they corrupt the cause they are presented to bolster..
socialindependocrat (1,292 posts)
10. Look at all the daily shootings from gangs
Maybe my view is skewed because I live so close to Phila.
but with all the gang shootings I'd say they have a fair number
of guns in their possession.
Maybe they only have data on legally acquired guns...
How come, whenever I see a news report about gangs they
never show a white gang? There must be some white gangs out there...
Romulox (22,515 posts)
11. Absolute made up tripe from Michael. Once again, I invite him to visit DETROIT,
and explain to all the black victims of gun violence how it is really white people who are victimizing their neighborhoods (with LEGAL guns, no less!)
Needless to say, "Mr. Michigan" Michael Moore doesn't spend too much time in Detroit.
cali (78,079 posts)
12. like everyone else who's posted in this thread, I'm calling bullshit
Making "facts" up to support your pov or agenda or whatever is despicable no matter who is doing it.
Epic fail for St Michael.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022563342
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baldguy (29,536 posts)
"90% of the guns in America are owned by White people in the suburbs."
The very laws which allow 90% of the guns to be in the hands of middle-class, suburban White people allows the atrocities of urban violence to occur.
And to those suburban White gun owners whose lives are never threatened, but live in deathly fear anyway? The endless deaths of young Black & Hispanic children is a price they're willing to pay for their "freedom".
http://theblacksphere.net/ar15-gun-giveaway/
Just shut the hell up, DUmbass.
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BTW, if you don't have Kevin added on FB:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Blacksphere/49867377595?ref=ts&fref=ts
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90% of the guns in America are owned by White people in the suburbs.
That is true.
But 99+% of firearms used illegally are owned by 0bamaites in blue hellhole cities.
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Not an isolated incident.
Smells to me like they know they're about to lose the national debate.
On Morning Joe today, the Reverend Al Sharpton agreed with Mike Barnicle that anti-Semitism explains the opposition to Mike Bloomberg in his gun control campaign. H/t NB reader cobokat.
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MIKE BARNICLE: Let's get down to it: Mike Bloomberg, Mayor of New York City. I mean, there's a level of anti-Semitism in this thing, directed toward Bloomberg --
AL SHARPTON: No doubt about it.
BARNICLE: I mean, it's out there.
DAN SENOR: I don't think it's anti-Semitism. I think it's the perception of big-city urban elites, wealthy elites, telling the rest of the little people how to live their lives.
SHARPTON: But if he were not a big-city Jewish man, in some parts I think it would be different.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelstein/2013/03/25/sharpton-barnicle-agree-anti-semitism-explains-opposition-bloomber#ixzz2OZPuxqj7
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How come, whenever I see a news report about gangs they
never show a white gang? There must be some white gangs out there...
There are "white gangs". White Hispanic gangs , that is. :-)
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The same laws that allow Michael Moore to bloviate also allow the KKK's hate speech. Obviously, Michael Moore's freedom of speech must be restricted. :fuelfire:
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From now on every new Obamaphone will come with an assault weapon so the poor will be more equal.
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Not an isolated incident.
Smells to me like they know they're about to lose the national debate.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelstein/2013/03/25/sharpton-barnicle-agree-anti-semitism-explains-opposition-bloomber#ixzz2OZPuxqj7
Aah crap, Rev. Al found me out. I'd definitely be willing to surrender my rights if only an Anglo-Saxon guy would ask.
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Curse those White suburban racist thugs that are killing all the innocent Black law-abiding folk of Chicago!
:popcorn:
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^^^ That Mike Barnicle thing up there is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Rush talked about this briefly today. WTF is wrong with those people?
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Curse those White suburban racist thugs that are killing all the innocent Black law-abiding folk of Chicago!
:popcorn:
You see them, every Saturday night in their pink golf shirts with the collars popped-up, juiced-up on Mochacinno lattes as they climb into thei Volvos blaring N'Sync and head in to town.
It seizes the heart just thinking about it.
WTF is wrong with those people?
Yes.
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You see them, every Saturday night in their pink golf shirts with the collars popped-up, juiced-up on Mochacinno lattes as they climb into thei Volvos blaring N'Sync and head in to town.
You're as good as dead if you walk through a Nike neighborhood while wearing Reebok.
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You're as good as dead if you walk through a Nike neighborhood while wearing Reebok.
http://www.comedycentral.com/video-clips/qoulyi/chappelle-s-show-the-world-s-greatest-wars
Worth a watch. :rofl:
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If we ever addressed that problem, if we ever made it so Chicago, East L.A., or Detroit were places that were thriving and where we had jobs, and people were paid a middle-class wage. What's the chance that you, walking home tonight in your middle-class neighborhood and being shot by somebody with a handgun? Very, very small
Wasn`t there some feel good initiative some where to try to get folks to move an existing or open retail stores in inner cities that failed spectaculary as instead of looking for jobs the local hood rats just stole the merchandise?
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[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=9rla-l16a4U[/youtube]
This guy is good!
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No.
It's because it is a form of power not monoploized by a government sympathetic to the Left's virulent hatreds and phobias.
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Not an isolated incident.
Smells to me like they know they're about to lose the national debate.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelstein/2013/03/25/sharpton-barnicle-agree-anti-semitism-explains-opposition-bloomber#ixzz2OZPuxqj7
[Cough]Freddie's Fashion Mart[cough]
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Star Member Puglover (14,545 posts)
135. It is so weird.
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I am at my home in Ecuador and yesterday was out running some errands with my favorite cab driver and Spanish teacher Jorge. The subject turned to guns. After I told him about the gun problems in the US and about Sandy Hook (no he had not heard) he just looked at me and said, "But Jeffrey it's so simple, get rid of the guns. We don't have them here, yes bad people get them but eventually they are put in jail." "Why would people in such a beautiful country like the United States need guns?"
Outside of our nutty country people just don't get it. One of the big reasons I am down here.
hack89 (19,991 posts)
139. Considering Ecuador's gun homicide rate is higher than America's
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and their murder rate is three times that of America's, I am not sure that Ecuador is the best example to hold up if you are advocating gun control.
http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/ecuador
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
Star Member Puglover (14,545 posts)
166. LOL I live here Hack.
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You have your cute little blue links and an agenda. The next time someone in Ecuador busts into a classroom and takes out 20 7 year olds you can feel free to PM me and gloat.
Nice try though.
And even though I don't actually read your posts because when I see your name it is a foregone conclusion what they advocate for;
welcome to ignore.
:lalala:
hack89 (19,991 posts)
167. Those "cute blue links" are called facts. nt
Lizzie Poppet (2,011 posts)
174. Facts: perhaps you've heard of them.
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Ecuador rate of gun homicides per 100k (2008): 12.7 (source: UNODC. 2011. Homicide in 207 Countries)
US rate of gun homicides per 100k (2008): 4.01 (same source)
Derp.
Pretty good smack down and the inevitable "welcome to ignore".
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Is the
dog loving beastial primitive a sock of Nads?
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Is the dog loving beastial primitive a sock of Nads?
I can read the one's posts without getting a headache the other's not so much.
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"But Jeffrey it's so simple, get rid of the guns. We don't have them here,
yes bad people get them but eventually they are put in jail."
What am I gonna do, just jump up and start grinding my feet on Eddie's couch? Come on, I got a little more sense than that.
Yeah, I remember grinding my feet on Eddie's couch.
Cocaine's a helluva drug.
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There are "white gangs". White Hispanic gangs , that is. :-)
They are also Russian gangs.
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baldguy (29,536 posts)
"90% of the guns in America are owned by White people in the suburbs."
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If one can look at the demographics of America, it is White majority, so no surprise that 90% own guns. White comes in all forms from Arabs, Persians, Turkish, and Hispanics.
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If one can look at the demographics of America, it is White majority, so no surprise that 90% own guns.
And, again, the vast, vast majority of illegal use of firearms is by 0bamaites in blue hellholes.
The 90% of firearms owned by non-0bamaites (my guess is the percentage is much higher) are, for all practical purposes, never involved in crime.
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And, again, the vast, vast majority of illegal use of firearms is by 0bamaites in blue hellholes.
The 90% of firearms owned by non-0bamaites (my guess is the percentage is much higher) are, for all practical purposes, never involved in crime.
No doubt. Just look at Chicago, Detroit, or Washington, DC.
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So white man racism is the strategy they are settling upon:
onehandle (34,547 posts)
White men have much to discuss about mass shootings
Imagine if African American men and boys were committing mass shootings month after month, year after year. Articles and interviews would flood the media, and we’d have political debates demanding that African Americans be “held accountable.†Then, if an atrocity such as the Newtown, Conn., shootings took place and African American male leaders held a news conference to offer solutions, their credibility would be questionable. The public would tell these leaders that they need to focus on problems in their own culture and communities.
But when the criminals and leaders are white men, race and gender become the elephant in the room. Nearly all of the mass shootings in this country in recent years — not just Newtown, Aurora, Fort Hood, Tucson and Columbine — have been committed by white men and boys. Yet when the National Rifle Association (NRA), led by white men, held a news conference after the Newtown massacre to advise Americans on how to reduce gun violence, its leaders’ opinions were widely discussed.
Unlike other groups, white men are not used to being singled out. So we expect that many of them will protest it is unfair if we talk about them. But our nation must correctly define their contribution to our problem of gun violence if it is to be solved.
When white men try to divert attention from gun control by talking about mental health issues, many people buy into the idea that the United States has a national mental health problem, or flawed systems with which to address those problems, and they think that is what produces mass shootings.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/white-men-have-much-to-discuss-about-mass-shootings/2013/03/29/7b001d02-97f3-11e2-814b-063623d80a60_story.html
So when liberals see blacks in the shitty of Chicago killing each other in greater numbers than GIs lost in Iraq they think to themselves, "That's just how those people are."
That's what the article says to me.
KG (23,070 posts)
2. it's often seemed to me there is a white male privilege undertone to the gun rights issue.
not surprisingly, the first few comments shown at the site totally missed the point of the editorial...
Otis McDonald
google him
raccoon (20,960 posts)
6. There sure is! If black men were committing the mass shootings, many Americans would
be saying that they all needed to be locked up.
Squinch (2,510 posts)
3. All white male dominated crimes get a pass. Don't see anyone going to jail
over that pesky "world economy destruction" thing either.
Honeycombe8 (17,220 posts)
5. I noticed and brought this up in prior posts.
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I'm white and female. But I noticed who was doing the mass killings and wondered why that wasn't being targeted for study, at the least.
I also noticed that a number of them had been playing violent video games in the days leading up the mass killing. That should be looked at, as well.
By the same token, young black males do a lot of the one on one shooting in urban areas, so that should be (and has been) studied. Most recently, young black males intentionally and cruelly killed a white baby. If the reverse had been true, I wonder if people would be calling the perpetrators racists (if the young males are found guilty).
All these things should be noted and studied, without fear of being accused of picking on a gender or race, or anti-video games. A scientific study should include all the facts.
jimlup (3,993 posts)
7. Expectation
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That's my hypothesis. For a white male in our society there is an expectation of privilege and domination. A deep hatred of society is at the root of these shootings.
As a white male, I'll say that I'm sure it isn't primarily things like "video games." Boys of all backgrounds have been playing shoot'em up games since guns were invented. Young men often go through an "angry" phase - I did. I didn't take it in the direction of violence towards others. At the root of it was deep frustration. Perhaps at the root of this was frustration due to expectations I had internalized and not achieved.
Just thinking while typing. Stillm as a white male, I think the article names an important elephant in the room.
Bluenorthwest (23,285 posts)
8. In the last 10 years, 29 mass shootings, 10 by shooters who were not white men. 19 who were.
78% US population is white, according to the census. Here is a list from Mother Jones, they leave out the DC Snipers, not sure why that is but they do.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/07/mass-shootings-map?page=2
The Fort Hood shooter was American born to Palestinian parents, Nidal Malik Hasan. He's Arabic.
So, IOW, whites are under-represented so the OP is wrong as a premise. Which means the libs want gun control while brewing up racist animosity as a scapegoat.
NewJeffCT (35,522 posts)
15. I think a mass shooting
is defined as four or more shot dead at the same time/in the same incident. The DC sniper was more akin to a terrorist or a serial killer, as they were killed one at a time over a period of several weeks.
TRANSLATION: If the data doesn't support me, the data is wrong
datasuspect (25,363 posts)
9. have you been to chicago lately?
it's the wild west.
sure, it's not focused in one location, but there's plenty of blame to go around for everyone.
Robb (37,551 posts)
13. Gun enthusiasts point to Chicago, with its tight gun laws; but it's hardly the worst.
Note how many of the "winning" cities have lax gun law (Chicago's city rate is 11.6.).
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I see another variable at play.
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datasuspect (25,363 posts)
16. gun deaths aren't just a white male problem
- my initial point.
and yes, guns are outlawed in chicago. they have been for many years. it's open season for the thugs and the cops in chicago.
i don't have family members or close friends who live in any of the cities you listed, so it doesn't come up on my radar too much.
bonniebgood (207 posts)
10. I also believe that "sport" hunting should be banned. Sport hunting
desensitizes a person as well as violent video games. The need to see 'something or someone kicking, screaming and bleeding' is a mental problem.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022588261
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"What are these White people so afraid of in the suburbs? Do they think little red-headed, freckle-faced Jimmy down the street is going to kill them? Mug them? I don't think so. Are they afraid that the guy next door is going to break in and steal their TV? No, because they know the guy next door makes $50-60 thousand a year.
Not surprised Moore is such a racist. Only white people live in suburbs in his mind? Such arrogance. Who's the racist, Moore? And to the rest who speak of gang membership as something for non-whites only. What rocks do they live under?
I AM surprised anyone reports the idiotic spewings that come from Moore. Typical Lib, IME, so devisive. They keep the focus on everything but areas that might lead to solutions.
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baldguy (29,536 posts)
"90% of the guns in America are owned by White people in the suburbs."
That's why you don't see 502 gangland shooting in suburbia. Its why the New Black Panther Party hasn't gone lethal. Its why people prefer to live in a safe place rather than a crime-ridden, democrat-run city.
Its why Obama is so desperate to disarm the people. He can't do what he wants where there are people who can resist him.
---remove those guns and you will have no idea the slaughter armed criminals will unleash...and the police will do nothing.
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If your balls have shriveled up until they look like raisins.....you might be a gunhating DUmmie/liberal male.
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datasuspect (25,363 posts)
9. have you been to chicago lately?
it's the wild west.
No it's not, for the simple reason that the Wild West of Hollywood myth is just that: a myth.
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bonniebgood (207 posts)
10. I also believe that "sport" hunting should be banned. Sport hunting
desensitizes a person as well as violent video games. The need to see 'something or someone kicking, screaming and bleeding' is a mental problem.
Does that include fishing? Here I thought that fishing and hunting were popular pastimes amongst fathers and children because it was something they could bond over. Turns out that they're bonding over homocidal (possibly xenophobic, they are killing creatures that aren't like them) bloodlust.
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Does that include fishing? Here I thought that fishing and hunting were popular pastimes amongst fathers and children because it was something they could bond over. Turns out that they're bonding over homocidal (possibly xenophobic, they are killing creatures that aren't like them) bloodlust.
Careful now or some DUmmie will be telling us about talking to his/her/whatever fish spirit guide.?
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Careful now or some DUmmie will be telling us about talking to his/her/whatever fish spirit guide.?
Between the fish spirit guide and Blackie the Ghost chicken, I think we'd have a good lunch if nothing else.