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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Freeper on March 21, 2013, 05:19:06 PM
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Bradical79 (384 posts)
How are you going to fix the Catholic Church? Or any church for that matter?
I'm an atheist who has made it known before that I think the best option for those unhappy with the Catholic church leadership is to leave (not a DEMAND to leave like some take it). Community programs can still be handled through secular charity and non-Catholic led community action, and it's not like you get a vote in what goes on in Vatican City.
Of course, I know that this probably isn't a realistic option. My grandfather was fairly liberal for his day, and was excommunicated from the church at one point in his life. I know it was hard for him, and he still considered himself Catholic until the end. Accepting that I was an atheist and permanently cutting ties with my evangelical church was an extremely difficult thing to do that took years to come to grips with. I STILL miss it. There are many wonderful people there despite claims here that all Republicans and conservatives are sociopathic monsters. I know religion is a very powerful thing.
I know some have non-specifically claimed that the Catholic Church can be changed from within, so I'm basically curious what your plan is. Have you organized in any way to liberalize the church? Have there been any successes from your efforts? I'd like to know. Heck, no reason to limit this to Catholics. Has anyone had or witnessed any successes in changing their local or national/global church rather than simply leaving and joining/starting a new already liberal church group?
I'm serious here. If you're not going to leave your group, but are unhappy with how things are at the top, it would be nice to have a game plan or two to deal with it and provide some inspiration for others.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022546671
That's right an atheist is giving advice to religious people.
Then again some DUmmies give economic advice and they are clueless on that too, so it's not out of the ordinary for someone who knows nothing to tell others what to do.
vi5 (10,105 posts)
3. Exactly...
My parents are fairly liberal, devout catholics. They obviously do not in theory support the horrible actions of the church. However, they still continue to show up every week, and continue to drop their checks in the basket every week (in considerable amounts I might add).
And as long as folks like them continue to fill the pews and fill the coffers with money the church will have no incentive to change.
I didn't realize that Bibles came with a bottle of white out and a pen.
Then again I didn't think that about the Constitution either but apparently it does.
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Bradical79 (384 posts)
How are you going to fix the Catholic Church? Or any church for that matter?
I'm an atheist who has made it known before that I think the best option for those unhappy with the Catholic church leadership is to leave (not a DEMAND to leave like some take it). Community programs can still be handled through secular charity and non-Catholic led community action, and it's not like you get a vote in what goes on in Vatican City.
Of course, I know that this probably isn't a realistic option. My grandfather was fairly liberal for his day, and was excommunicated from the church at one point in his life. I know it was hard for him, and he still considered himself Catholic until the end. Accepting that I was an atheist and permanently cutting ties with my evangelical church was an extremely difficult thing to do that took years to come to grips with. I STILL miss it. There are many wonderful people there despite claims here that all Republicans and conservatives are sociopathic monsters. I know religion is a very powerful thing.
I know some have non-specifically claimed that the Catholic Church can be changed from within, so I'm basically curious what your plan is. Have you organized in any way to liberalize the church? Have there been any successes from your efforts? I'd like to know. Heck, no reason to limit this to Catholics. Has anyone had or witnessed any successes in changing their local or national/global church rather than simply leaving and joining/starting a new already liberal church group?
I'm serious here. If you're not going to leave your group, but are unhappy with how things are at the top, it would be nice to have a game plan or two to deal with it and provide some inspiration for others. :bawl:
You lying sack of shit. A list of people the church has excommunicated in the 20th century...
Bishops in China who joined the Chinese Catholic Patriotic Association and ordained bishops without papal approval.[citation needed]
John XXIII excommunicated Fidel Castro in 1962[citation needed]
Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, Bishops Antonio de Castro Meyer, Bernard Fellay, Bernard Tissier de Mallerais, Richard Williamson and Alfonso de Galarreta for the Ecône Consecrations (Society of St. Pius X) without papal mandate. Formally declared to have incurred latae sententiae excommunication by Cardinal Bernardin Gantin on July 1, 1988.[15][16] The excommunications of the latter four (the bishops consecrated in that 1988 ceremony) were lifted in 2009; the first two (the consecrator and the co-consecrator) had died in the meantime.[citation needed]
Father Romolo Murri, a leader of the Italian Catholic Democrats, for giving speeches against Papal policy[17]
Juan Perón, in 1955, after he signed a decree ordering the expulsion of Argentine bishops Manuel Tato and Ramón Novoa[18][19]
All Catholics who participated in the creation of an independent church in the Philippines, in 1902[20]
Alfred Loisy, a French cleric associated with modernism.[citation needed]
Leonard Feeney, a U.S. Jesuit priest who defended the strict interpretation of the Roman Catholic doctrine "outside the Church there is no salvation", arguing that baptism of blood and baptism of desire are unavailing.[citation needed] Feeney was later fully reconciled to the Church before his death.[citation needed]
All Catholics who participated in the trial of Archbishop Aloysius Stepinac, which included most of the jury members. [21]
Feliksa Kozłowska and the Mariavite movement in December 1906 by St Pius X[citation needed]
Plaquemines Parish President Leander Perez, Jackson G. Ricau (secretary of the Citizens Council of South Louisiana) and Mrs. B.J. Gaillot, Jr., president of Save Our Nation, Inc., on April 16, 1962 by Archbishop Joseph Rummel of the Archdiocese of New Orleans. They were excommunicated for aggressively opposing the racial integration of Catholic schools in the Archdiocese starting in the 1963-64 school year. Perez and Ricau were later reinstated into the Church following public retractions.[22]
John Duryea, popular priest at Stanford University and in Palo Alto, California, in 1976
Tissa Balasuriya, Sri Lankan Catholic priest, excommunicated in 1997 for his doctrinal views but had this excommunication lifted a year later after admitting "perceptions of error", and agreeing to submit all future writings to his bishops for their imprimatur. Not many folks have been excommunicated so I highly doubt this dipshits grandfather was one of them. :whatever:
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You lying sack of shit. A list of people the church has excommunicated in the 20th century...
>snip for brevity<
:cheersmate: For the research. Well done.
I'm an atheist who has made it known before that I think the best option for those unhappy with the Catholic church leadership is to leave (not a DEMAND to leave like some take it). Community programs can still be handled through secular charity and non-Catholic led community action, and it's not like you get a vote in what goes on in Vatican City.
You're an atheist, DUmbass. Why be concerned with how they administer their faith?
They do far more than any government agency out there, yet you wish to shut them down.
Go suck a shotgun, fer cryin' out loud.
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I'd have to agree that an atheist has absolutely no business telling religious people what to do with their faith.
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A DUmmy is Salvador Dali...
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/27/Salvador_Dali_NYWTS.jpg/220px-Salvador_Dali_NYWTS.jpg)
...demanding that the the world change to match his vision.
(http://www.salvador-dali.org/images_flash_portada/imatge_f05.jpg)
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Bradical79 (384 posts)
How are you going to fix the Catholic Church? Or any church for that matter?
In Catholicism, church fixes you.
Jackass.......
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You lying sack of shit. A list of people the church has excommunicated in the 20th century...
Thank you! :II: Unless I am seriously mistaken, isn't excommunication run through the Vatican? Not sure if a Diocese does it on their own.
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I'd have to agree that an atheist has absolutely no business telling religious people what to do with their faith.
Hi5! Why should they care? Will socialists ever darken the door of a church? Not bloody likely.
I think what we see here is little tyrants desire to control all things. Faith is something that competes with their worship of govt...hence DU's fear and loathing. Socialists discriminate against religion because it's very nature is uncontrollable-as they will soon find out with their muslim allies.
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More proof that the Dummies have no concept of action/consequence.
I'm a Baptist. I have doctrinal disagreements with the Catholic Church.
These DUmmie attacks on the Catholic Church (action) actually makes me more sympathetic toward the Catholic Church (consequence). I figure that I'm probably not the only one.
My dad and I were talking about Pope Benedict the other day. I mentioned that the liberals seemed to dislike him. Dad said, "yeah, that's always a good sign."
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Hey DUmmie, if you dont like the Catholic Church, dont go to mass!
Oh, your an "atheist", so you dont go to any church yet feel you have to tell others how to live their lifes.
DUmb Ass.
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The liberals are mad because the Pope is violating the separation of church and church.
[youtube=425,350]Rd6OQ9e-o2A[/youtube]
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Thank you! :II: Unless I am seriously mistaken, isn't excommunication run through the Vatican? Not sure if a Diocese does it on their own.
Canon law comes from the Vatican but I believe a bishop can excommunicate if the person meets the criteria.
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The liberals are mad because the Pope is violating the separation of church and church.
[youtube=425,350]Rd6OQ9e-o2A[/youtube]
Hey, I watched several of her videos....she's funny....and more accurate than CNN.