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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: franksolich on March 17, 2013, 05:18:24 PM
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022523840
Oh my.
TheMightyFavog (13,108 posts) Sun Mar 17, 2013, 03:49 PM
Wisconsin lawmaker seeks to restrict what can be bought with food stamps
http://www.fox11online.com//dpp/news/local/fox_cities/wis-lawmaker-wants-healthier-use-of-food-aid
MADISON, Wis. (AP) - A Wisconsin state lawmaker wants food stamp users to eat healthier -- whether they want to or not.
Rep. Dean Kaufert, a Republican from Neenah, would cut the use of food stamps on junk food. In other words, for people in FoodShare, the state's nutrition assistance program, it's out with the Cheetos, Coca-Cola and Suzy Qs and in with the leafy produce.
"The system is being abused," Kaufert said. "Some people are not spending their benefits wisely."
It's an idea that's been tried before with no success. States aren't allowed to set their own definitions of what's "healthy," or "junk," and Kaufert's bill doesn't actually name any products or food groups. The state also can't change what FoodShare covers without a waiver from the federal government.
So, how does one define "healthy food," and how will they keep up with all the new food products that get introduced every day?
dkf (31,528 posts) Sun Mar 17, 2013, 03:51 PM
1. Soda is not healthy. That one is easy.
Go ask Bloomberg for a list.
williesgirl (3,486 posts) Sun Mar 17, 2013, 03:53 PM
2. small government, my ass!
HockeyMom (10,410 posts) Sun Mar 17, 2013, 03:53 PM
3. Can you buy infant formula with food stamps?
You could argue that breastfeeding an infant is healthier, and cheaper. Why stop with adult food?
Lionessa (3,811 posts) Sun Mar 17, 2013, 04:03 PM
4. Idaho's has restrictions.
Can't buy energy drinks, alcoholic drinks, or anything hot like from the deli. I can however buy all the candy and soda pop I want, fortunately I don't want candy or soda pop or e-drinks, or a-drinks. However it does bother me I can't buy a roasted chicken or a any other hot prepared dish at the supermarket. I think that part is entirely unfair since many homeless would need ready food since they likely have no way to cook or heat food.
^^^the once-homeless primitive now a kept woman of a senile old guy she's taking advantage of.
gollygee (12,051 posts) Sun Mar 17, 2013, 04:17 PM
8. There's something we have to be careful with
I think this is a case of the nanny state, but I can see the value of not allowing food stamps to pay for junk food.
However, I saw this documentary on children raised in poverty, and some of the families didn't have full kitchens, and some didn't even have refrigerators. Some lived in old motel rooms with only ice from an ice machine in the lobby, and a microwave.
So my point is that not everyone has the ability to cook a meal from scratch, and they're going to have to eat some convenience foods. The definition of "junk food" has to be carefully thought out.
I'm editing because my overall feeling is that we should treat adults with dignity and respect, and I don't think going through their shopping lists accomplishes that. Just give them the food stamps and stop whining about what they're buying.
nadinbrzezinski (117,282 posts) Sun Mar 17, 2013, 05:54 PM
14. I just love me some poor laws.
Oy
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Well dummie... my opinion is this:
If you depend on taxpayers... like me... for your sustenance then I, thru the government, should be allowed to tell you what you can eat.
Sucks being a welfare slave. You wanna eat junk food? Fine. Get a job and pay for it. There it is in a nutshell.
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You take the King's coin, you do the King's bidding.
However it does bother me I can't buy a roasted chicken or a any other hot prepared dish at the supermarket.
There is a cure for that, get a freaking job and pay for your own groceries.
These people get free stuff and they get mad that they have to cook their own damn chicken, it's not like roasting a chicken would take time out of their busy day at work. :mental:
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When I was at the store the other day I saw a variety of dried beans for $1 a pound. Bananas were 79 cents a pounds, several apple varieties were 89 cents a pound. Oatmeal was about $3.50 a pound. Cabbages, potatoes, carrots and other root vegetables are usually fairly cheap. Basic staples aren't that expensive. It is possible to eat a healthy diet without breaking the bank.
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That's some expensive oatmeal.
However it does bother me I can't buy a roasted chicken or a any other hot prepared dish at the supermarket.
How hard is it to roast a chicken at home? I eat more chicken than anything else.
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When I was at the store the other day I saw a variety of dried beans for $1 a pound. Bananas were 79 cents a pounds, several apple varieties were 89 cents a pound. Oatmeal was about $3.50 a pound. Cabbages, potatoes, carrots and other root vegetables are usually fairly cheap. Basic staples aren't that expensive. It is possible to eat a healthy diet without breaking the bank.
I eat alot of rice. over potatoes. Food stamps abuse pisses me off!!
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You take the King's coin, you do the King's bidding.
There is a cure for that, get a freaking job and pay for your own groceries.
These people get free stuff and they get mad that they have to cook their own damn chicken, it's not like roasting a chicken would take time out of their busy day at work. :mental:
But then they would have to get on DU and find out how to cook it. :rotf: :rotf:
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You take the King's coin, you do the King's bidding.
There is a cure for that, get a freaking job and pay for your own groceries.
These people get free stuff and they get mad that they have to cook their own damn chicken, it's not like roasting a chicken would take time out of their busy day at work. :mental:
If the 1st Wookie has her way, you won't be able to buy what you want using your own money.
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I'm all for restricting what's purchased with food stamps.
They should all HAVE to take a nutrition class that includes how to shop, compare prices, use coupons and the basics of good nutrition and food prep before they can get their stamps.
Years ago we had some unexpected bills and the only thing in my budget that had any flexability was food. I have always cooked from scratch and shoped wisely, but I started cutting out everything that had no food value, like sodas, chips etc. and we survived.
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Well dummie... my opinion is this:
If you depend on taxpayers... like me... for your sustenance then I, thru the government, should be allowed to tell you what you can eat.
Sucks being a welfare slave. You wanna eat junk food? Fine. Get a job and pay for it. There it is in a nutshell.
H5 x 10. I say this all the time irl. If Nanny Bloomberg and Moochelle were serious about their concern for the "obese" and the "children" then they would be pushing this immediately. But that'd directly affect their base and we can't have that.
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I say make food stamps good for lard, bacon, potatoes, jars of baby food, generic "cheetos", and booze -- and that's it. Nothing else.
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Without bobbolink and hannahbell, these poverty threads sure are dull.
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If it were up to me the so called poor people would get there 5 pound blocks of cheese, 10 pound bags of rice and beans. Want to eat meat, get a job.
When I go to the store, the people with the $300 shoes use EBT. I can't get down with that. Call me a racist because none of those are white.
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Millions of democrats sell their foodstamps for fifty cents per dollar.
In democrat neighborhoods, liquor stores and convenience stores make more on that than on their legitimate business.
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H5 x 10. I say this all the time irl. If Nanny Bloomberg and Moochelle were serious about their concern for the "obese" and the "children" then they would be pushing this immediately. But that'd directly affect their base and we can't have that.
Very true.
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I end up from time to time getting stuck behind certain people at the grocery store. The belt is loaded with processed crap, name brand sodas, junk food and one lone head of iceberg lettuce*. The EBT card gets inevitably pulled out when it is time to pay.
*I have seen this more than once and still wonder why a head of lettuce rather than some other fresh food, but it is always iceberg lettuce. :???:
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Well dummie... my opinion is this:
If you depend on taxpayers... like me... for your sustenance then I, thru the government, should be allowed to tell you what you can eat.
Sucks being a welfare slave. You wanna eat junk food? Fine. Get a job and pay for it. There it is in a nutshell.
Absolutely. Your dime? Eat whatever your retarded heart desires, cupcake, but not on mine.
*I have seen this more than once and still wonder why a head of lettuce rather than some other fresh food, but it is always iceberg lettuce. :???:
They see it on fast food commercials = Idiocracy.
williesgirl (3,486 posts) Sun Mar 17, 2013, 03:53 PM
2. small government, my ass!
Au contraire, Idiot. It's dealing with the consequences of big government. Honestly, this stuff is not that hard if you try.....
....wait.
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Well dummie... my opinion is this:
If you depend on taxpayers... like me... for your sustenance then I, thru the government, should be allowed to tell you what you can eat.
Sucks being a welfare slave. You wanna eat junk food? Fine. Get a job and pay for it. There it is in a nutshell.
Exactly. What is so hard to understand about it? Welfare is not supposed to be fun. ::) I think it should be only staples. Peanut Butter, bread, cheese, milk. :-) But I feed my own family that, how horrible of me to expect people eating for free to eat the same ::)
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When I was at the store the other day I saw a variety of dried beans for $1 a pound. Bananas were 79 cents a pounds, several apple varieties were 89 cents a pound. Oatmeal was about $3.50 a pound. Cabbages, potatoes, carrots and other root vegetables are usually fairly cheap. Basic staples aren't that expensive. It is possible to eat a healthy diet without breaking the bank.
As a diabetic, I agree to a point. Eating healthy for a diabetic is a little different than it is for one that is not. Such things that you listed are good options. I have to watch the carbs from fruits and not over do it--yes, that's right, there is a such thing as eating too much fruit.
Grocery stores in many areas don't carry the selections that you mentioned. Overall, I have found eating healthy from the gocery store is more expensive but it is cheaper than eating out or buying prepared meals.
These people expecting food stamps to buy everything that they want are nothing new. In the mid-80's, when I worked in a gorcery store, food stamp users complained about it all of the time. A woman chewed out the cashier because WIC (Women Infant and Children) vouchers didn't buy all for more expensive items, what her WIC vouchers didn't buy her foodstamps did. When I carried her groceries out, she was driving a brand new van and I was walking to work because I couldn't afford a vehicle.
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If it were up to me the so called poor people would get there 5 pound blocks of cheese, 10 pound bags of rice and beans. Want to eat meat, get a job.
When I go to the store, the people with the $300 shoes use EBT. I can't get down with that. Call me a racist because none of those are white.
OK, you're racist. Be yee certain for the truth shall get you called names.
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That's some expensive oatmeal.
How hard is it to roast a chicken at home? I eat more chicken than anything else.
Just checked the size of my oatmeal, the $3.50 price is for a canister that is closer to 2.5 pounds.
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Well dummie... my opinion is this:
If you depend on taxpayers... like me... for your sustenance then I, thru the government, should be allowed to tell you what you can eat.
Sucks being a welfare slave. You wanna eat junk food? Fine. Get a job and pay for it. There it is in a nutshell.
Amen, brother
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Foodstamp DUmmies should be put on bread and water.....tap, not bottled.....makes water sound kindda James Bondish. :-)
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primitives discuss restricting food stamps
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Foodstamp DUmmies should be put on bread and water.....tap, not bottled.....makes water sound kindda James Bondish. :-)
Surely you don't expect those poor people to drink the government certified tap water!
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Here's an article that will depress the heck out of you:
Food stamps put Rhode Island town on monthly boom-and-bust cycle (http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/food-stamps-put-rhode-island-town-on-monthly-boom-and-bust-cycle/2013/03/16/08ace07c-8ce1-11e2-b63f-f53fb9f2fcb4_story.html)
I don't know what part of the story is more infuriating. That they won't leave and try to find a better life somewhere else, that the woman can't discipline her children so they don't have tantrums in the grocery store, or that they have a tattoo budget.
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Here's an article that will depress the heck out of you:
Food stamps put Rhode Island town on monthly boom-and-bust cycle (http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/food-stamps-put-rhode-island-town-on-monthly-boom-and-bust-cycle/2013/03/16/08ace07c-8ce1-11e2-b63f-f53fb9f2fcb4_story.html)
I don't know what part of the story is more infuriating. That they won't leave and try to find a better life somewhere else, that the woman can't discipline her children so they don't have tantrums in the grocery store, or that they have a tattoo budget.
Was it better to pay down the $600 they owed the landlord, or the $110 they owed for their cellphones, or the $75 they owed the tattoo parlor, or the $840 they owed the electric company?.....and an 18% percent interest on $90 a week lease on an old car.
Choices DUmmies, choices.
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So the DUmmies are upset that THEY will be forced to eat healthy with MY money... :rotf:
I find it sickening what is EBT eligible. You shouldn't be able to buy anything but staples with the food stamp card. When I see Redbull cans with an "EBT Eligible" sign hanging underneath it, it makes me roll my eyes. You turds don't work, why do you need energy drinks? Unless you are mixing Redbull with your alcohol, if so, I wish you a quick death.
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EBT money is just cash dumped down a rathole.
You can't reach your arm down the rathole to control what happens to it.
I could not care less what the DUmp democrats do with that money. It's already wasted.
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Here's an article that will depress the heck out of you:
Food stamps put Rhode Island town on monthly boom-and-bust cycle (http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/food-stamps-put-rhode-island-town-on-monthly-boom-and-bust-cycle/2013/03/16/08ace07c-8ce1-11e2-b63f-f53fb9f2fcb4_story.html)
I don't know what part of the story is more infuriating. That they won't leave and try to find a better life somewhere else, that the woman can't discipline her children so they don't have tantrums in the grocery store, or that they have a tattoo budget.
That article made me heartsick. These people get into a rut, and they never get out of it. The cycle unfortunately extend to the next generation. I give the young couple kudos, for having jobs...
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EBT money is just cash dumped down a rathole.
You can't reach your arm down the rathole to control what happens to it.
I could not care less what the DUmp democrats do with that money. It's already wasted.
Pleèeeeeze. Nanzy Pelosi knows that a dollar spent on welfare leeches creates 10 billiony dollars for the economy. It's a perpetual socialist money machine!!!
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Illinois can not even figure out their candy sales tax, one type of Hershey's candy bar has the tax, and the cookies and cream Hershey's bar is exempt because it contains flour. Stores do not even know what is exempt and what is not because the legislation is so confusing. It puts more of a burden on the business and the business is the one that is fined if they don't get it right, not the people that are abusing the system.
I would like to see more jobs rather then EBT restrictions, then EBT would not be an issue anymore.
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gollygee (12,051 posts) Sun Mar 17, 2013, 04:17 PM
8. There's something we have to be careful with
I think this is a case of the nanny state, but I can see the value of not allowing food stamps to pay for junk food.
However, I saw this documentary on children raised in poverty, and some of the families didn't have full kitchens, and some didn't even have refrigerators. Some lived in old motel rooms with only ice from an ice machine in the lobby, and a microwave...
What the hell else do you need? :banghead:
If you have a can opener and a microwave, YOU WILL NOT STARVE!
Unless you're a DUmmie, and can't figure out how to operate it (the can opener, not the microwave.)
I'm editing because my overall feeling is that we should treat adults with dignity and respect, and I don't think going through their shopping lists accomplishes that.
Dignity and respect?????
If you had ANY dignity, you would have a job, paying your OWN WAY, and wouldn't be living in roach and rat infested shitholes called "government subsidized housing" (or "government subsidized" ANYTHING, for that matter)!
Just give them the food stamps and stop whining about what they're buying.
GO TO HELL!!!! :redbird:
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A crockpot from goodwill could be used in a motel room, and it would give parents an easy way to cook nutritious meals with beans or cheap cuts of meat while they are hard at work ( :rofl:) or while they sit and watch Jerry Springer.
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A crockpot from goodwill could be used in a motel room, and it would give parents an easy way to cook nutritious meals with beans or cheap cuts of meat while they are hard at work ( :rofl:) or while they sit and watch Jerry Springer.
Chili's(beans optional :wink:)stews, soups, or get a convectional toaster oven, which casseroles can be made. campbells soups have recipes right on the can...
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When my electric stove went south, I used a two burner hot plate. You can cook just about anything on it.
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When my electric stove went south, I used a two burner hot plate. You can cook just about anything on it.
I have a two stove top burner, my little toater oven, and my crockpot. That is all I want and all I need.
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I prefer a Coleman stove.
(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NzY4WDEwMjQ=/$T2eC16dHJF0E9nmFS0KWBP-I0s2ot!~~60_35.JPG)
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I prefer a Coleman stove.
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Poor stupid Beth claimed to have made some elaborate meals on one of those, cooking inside that little humpbacked camping trailer.
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A crockpot from goodwill could be used in a motel room, and it would give parents an easy way to cook nutritious meals with beans or cheap cuts of meat while they are hard at work ( :rofl:) or while they sit and watch Jerry Springer.
:lol:
I think some of these parents are the guests on Jerry Springer.
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:lol:
I think some of these parents are the guests on Jerry Springer.
I think some of these parents MET as guests on Jerry Springer. :lmao:
(OK, MOST met on Jerry Springer, and now their offspring carry on the family tradition.) :lmao:
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I think some of these parents MET as guests on Jerry Springer. :lmao:
(OK, MOST met on Jerry Springer, and now their offspring carry on the family tradition.) :lmao:
:rotf:
Some of the parents could spend a year on his show, all with different daily topics.
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I'm all for restricting what's purchased with food stamps.
They should all HAVE to take a nutrition class that includes how to shop, compare prices, use coupons and the basics of good nutrition and food prep before they can get their stamps.
Years ago we had some unexpected bills and the only thing in my budget that had any flexability was food. I have always cooked from scratch and shoped wisely, but I started cutting out everything that had no food value, like sodas, chips etc. and we survived.
Way back they used to require a cooking and nutrition class. No convenience foods were allowed. Only staples for cooking, produce and meat, period.
It was when the stamps were in tear out coupon books in $1, $5, $10 and $20 denominations. You couldn't get real change back either. You had to get a voucher from the grocery saying how much change you were owed so you could use it next trip.
You could go to the drug addicts in town and buy stamps for 1/4 to 1/2 the face value.
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You could go to the drug addicts in town and buy stamps for 1/4 to 1/2 the face value.
I think that's why, when 0bamaites find an excuse to riot, they burn out the Korean convenience store owners.
They're in an unending battle over the exchange value of foodstamps used to buy alcohol, weed, and lottery tickets.
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Way back they used to require a cooking and nutrition class. No convenience foods were allowed. Only staples for cooking, produce and meat, period.
It was when the stamps were in tear out coupon books in $1, $5, $10 and $20 denominations. You couldn't get real change back either. You had to get a voucher from the grocery saying how much change you were owed so you could use it next trip.
I remember that. And the clerks would set certain items aside that had to be paid for by cash.
Even with the ebt cards, that would be so simple to program the checkout computers. The manufacturers could add another number or letter to the UCP code to identify which items were approved for EBT use.
Of course the left would scream about it.
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The only time food is sparated, is when a customer is using WIC( That is so restricted).They have to separate the WIC, and used as a separate transaction. If you ever look at your reciept, you will notice some letter coding after the product. In Nh, we don't have a sales tax, though customers are taxed on prepared food from the deli. When using the food option on a transaction, the system does separate food, from non food items, and there will be a remaining balance. I have had customers freak out, because the EBT didn't pay for some food items. Women trying to buy easter candy for their grandchildren, or halloween candy. The Ebt is not for that. It gets me so angry!! :mad:
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I remember that. And the clerks would set certain items aside that had to be paid for by cash.
I remember the coupon like food stamps with the dollar amount on them. I also remember (back in the late 80's or early 90's) wanting to scream as the woman in front of me in line at a convenience store check-out used them to buy a packaged sandwich from the cooler and some kind of fruit drink. With what she "spent" she could have bought a loaf of bread and some deli meat and ate for 3-4 days easily. :banghead:
Even with the ebt cards, that would be so simple to program the checkout computers. The manufacturers could add another number or letter to the UCP code to identify which items were approved for EBT use.
Of course the left would scream about it.
Adding a 13th digit to the UPC code would not work because it would no longer be a UPC code.
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The only time food is sparated, is when a customer is using WIC( That is so restricted).They have to separate the WIC, and used as a separate transaction. If you ever look at your reciept, you will notice some letter coding after the product. In Nh, we don't have a sales tax, though customers are taxed on prepared food from the deli. When using the food option on a transaction, the system does separate food, from non food items, and there will be a remaining balance. I have had customers freak out, because the EBT didn't pay for some food items. Women trying to buy easter candy for their grandchildren, or halloween candy. The Ebt is not for that. It gets me so angry!! :mad:
My cousin is on WIC, and I think it is wonderful how much healthy food it has been providing her with. Her daughter is 6 months now, and my cousin makes her own baby food out of the produce she buys.
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Electric woks & griddles, George Foreman grills (can't imagine not having one), toaster ovens & bread machines can all be had at the Goodwill. If something doesn't work, you can bring it back within a certain amount of time. I don't have one right now because I just didn't use it, but I think I've bought a new bread machine once. They're too ridiculously expensive for what they do. Got my grill there, too. Think I paid $3 for it. Got a griddle, brand new, still in the box for $8. The other day I found a Shark steam mop for $5. Works like a charm.
These people are incapable of thinking outside the box. Of course all of these require effort. Appliances & dishes have to be washed. You'd have to use the bathtub or bathroom sink. Then you'd have to clean the sink, so there's that. If you're too lazy for that, buy a microwave. You can get them at the Goodwill, too. Then you can use our tax dollars to buy those ridiculously expensive frozen dinners...there's a bazillion of them. Even vegan ones. Around the time school starts Walmart always has really small refrigerators on sale for dorm rooms. It's probably the kind of thing you can find on Craigslist. I'd check freecycle, too.
It's sheer laziness and a feeling of entitlement that keeps these people from making more appropriate choices. When you have to work for your money, you can't take things for granted, especially in the 0bama economy. But then the idiots at DU don't connect massive increases in food stamp use to their precious boy king who's "not a dictator" who can do a Jedi mind trick (think he said mind meld, which would be Spock, but whatever).
Cindie
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I know, government farms, where everyone that wants to eat has to work.....we'll call it a "Collective".....should thrill the leftist to no end.