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http://www.democraticunderground.com/11311688
Oh my.
Old campfire, but there's not much action in the vegetarian forum lately.
Redfairen (487 posts) Tue Jan 22, 2013, 12:36 PM
20 of your tales of vegetarian woe
What do vegetarians eat in a country where refusing meat is regarded as a sign of madness? A Magazine feature published last week raised this question, and there was a huge response from readers.
(great stories on the link)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21122072
upaloopa (1,575 posts) Tue Jan 22, 2013, 12:45 PM
1. How many times have I been asked in this country
"What do you eat?" "How do you get your protein?"
My mother-in-law always says I'm a picky eater or it is hard to cook for me. I always think of saying "I'm not the one who is 100 lbs over weight and has had 3 heart attacks and needed a knee replacement because of the weight." But I never say it or anything because I don't need to justify my eating habits.
undeterred (32,827 posts) Sat Feb 23, 2013, 12:18 PM
10. Asking about protein is a legitimate question.
People don't know that there are many non - meat sources of protein, so they have to be educated. I think I might have made the move a lot sooner if I had known, but I believed in the 4 food group myth I was taught growing up. Unfortunately that still dominates in the US and people think its a healthy diet, when in fact its killing them.
I've found that once I launch into my sermon on non meat sources of protein people shut up pretty quickly. They just don't want to think about the other reasons why giving up meat might be a good thing.
Kalidurga (4,546 posts) Tue Jan 22, 2013, 01:00 PM
2. I am a pretty new non meat eater.
I am so new I still eat soy burgers. I probably won't give them up, I don't know yet. Anyway, the first thing since I am out and about frequently and don't usually bring food with me, was that it's difficult to find vegetarian options. I mean meat is freaking everywhere and even in most salads.
It is even more difficult if you don't eat eggs or dairy, in some cases nearly impossible. It is so difficult that I have on occasion had to resort to having a V8 and a bag of Sun Chips, of course I had a hard time finding Sun Chips that didn't have cheese on them.
I am not vegan yet, though so I will occasionally eat cheese. But, sometimes I am just not in the mood, so when I can't have a meatless cheese-less meal, it is a bummer. Once, I had to go all over the school just to find an egg salad sandwich. Obviously this was before I quit eating eggs. But, I still have mayo sometimes. Quitting that soon too.
I dread the day I am full on vegan for this reason. I will never be able to leave my house without bringing my own food. I pretty much have to make all my food from scratch, because finding good vegan or vegetarian food is not as easy as it looks.
iwillalwayswonderwhy (1,238 posts) Tue Jan 22, 2013, 01:45 PM
3. At the company holiday buffet
I was assured by the chef what was vegan. I had a salad with a balsamic vinagraitte and mentioned to them that the dressing was very good. "The secret is anchovy paste" they told me.
I wanted to kick him.
flvegan (61,984 posts) Tue Jan 22, 2013, 11:34 PM
4. In other words, selfishness is intercontinental.
LeftyMom (44,436 posts) Wed Jan 23, 2013, 12:50 AM
6. All my best stories involve my mother:
First there was the time I had to pick her up very early to take her in for day surgery. She called me before I was going to head over to ask "Is Miracle Whip vegan?" I explained that it isn't, it's got eggs in it. "Oh, because I was going to make you a tuna sandwich. That's okay, I'm not sure the bread is vegan."
Then there was the time she asked me to bring flvegan over for Thanksgiving. "Oh, are you going to make something for us?" I asked. Her response, I swear to god: "Is Pepsi vegan? Because we'll have that. And the v****e tray, but I guess you can't have ranch dressing. Oh, and potato chips." Because nothing says Thanksgiving with the family like baby carrots, plain Lay's chips and Pepsi.
otherone (320 posts) Fri Feb 22, 2013, 07:04 PM
8. what a great thanksgiving
mucifer (8,362 posts) Sun Feb 24, 2013, 11:14 PM
11. That's pretty similar to the Charlie Brown Thanksgiving.
Popcorn toast and candy if I remember correctly.
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Response to Redfairen (Original post)Wed Jan 23, 2013, 12:50 AM
LeftyMom (44,436 posts)
6. All my best stories involve my mother:
Last edited Wed Jan 23, 2013, 12:51 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1)
First there was the time I had to pick her up very early to take her in for day surgery. She called me before I was going to head over to ask "Is Miracle Whip vegan?" I explained that it isn't, it's got eggs in it. "Oh, because I was going to make you a tuna sandwich. That's okay, I'm not sure the bread is vegan."
Then there was the time she asked me to bring flvegan over for Thanksgiving. "Oh, are you going to make something for us?" I asked. Her response, I swear to god: "Is Pepsi vegan? Because we'll have that. And the veggie tray, but I guess you can't have ranch dressing. Oh, and potato chips." Because nothing says Thanksgiving with the family like baby carrots, plain Lay's chips and Pepsi
That's what bugs me about vegetarians--how the world has to revolve around them and their nutty eating habits. Especially during holidays. The mothers of America have a hard enough job slaving over a hot stove for hours to put out a lavish spread for the holidays without having to make special accommodations for what usually amounts to a single oddball in the family.
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That's what bugs me about vegetarians--how the world has to revolve around them and their nutty eating habits. Especially during holidays. The mothers of America have a hard enough job slaving over a hot stove for hours to put out a lavish spread for the holidays without having to make special accommodations for what usually amounts to a single oddball in the family.
Too True!! It reminds me of the commercial Time Warner keeps using that shows a mom using the internet to look up some recipies real fast to appease her daughter's vegan boyfriend. I was raised, if you go to someone's house, you eat what you are given. Or as I tell my kids: 'You get what you get, and you don't throw a fit'!
I hate to say it, but any vegetarians coming to my house will be disappointed, this is the house that meat built. And we LOVE bacon on EVERYTHING!!
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That's what bugs me about vegetarians--how the world has to revolve around them and their nutty eating habits. Especially during holidays. The mothers of America have a hard enough job slaving over a hot stove for hours to put out a lavish spread for the holidays without having to make special accommodations for what usually amounts to a single oddball in the family.
Being diabetic, I've learned to bring my own food as opposed to expect everyone else to eat according to my diet. When I'm invited to a meal that is almost all carbs excpet for the meat, it can be trolublesome but, I can manage if I bring something to minimize the carb intake.
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Being diabetic, I've learned to bring my own food as opposed to expect everyone else to eat according to my diet. When I'm invited to a meal that is almost all carbs excpet for the meat, it can be trolublesome but, I can manage if I bring something to minimize the carb intake.
That's because you are responsible for yourself.
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That's because you are responsible for yourself.
We were once visiting friends in Toronto whose attitude was that if you didn't continue eating well beyond being stuffed to the Nth degree then you obviously hated the food. They kept insisting that I eat and I kept telling them that I can't because I'm diabetic and they kept asking if I didn't like it. Finally his son jumps in and says, "Dad, he's diabetic and his health insurance isn't accepted here in Canada." They then stopped insisting. People just don't understand diabetes.
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That's because you are responsible for yourself.
Once in a while, though, there's a certain class of people who won't let one be responsible for oneself.
Back when I was just out of high school and into college, I spent about six weeks each of two summers in Springfield, Massachusetts, with friends of an aunt of mine.
An ancient Italianate couple, he a physician, she a typical.....older Italianate housewife.
She worried about me constantly, because I was then a newly-minted orphan, and supposed I needed lots and lots of maternal loving--which in this case was tons and tons of Italianate cuisine.
I assured her I was fine, that a hamburger well-done, pressed down hard on the grill so as to squeeze out every drop of grease, French fries done on the stove-top, and a side dish of sour cream, was all I wanted.
But no, she insisted I needed "better" than that, and constantly made this Italianate delicacy or that Italianate delicacy. She probably had a cookbook bigger than even the adroit sparkling old dude's.
With onions and peppers and mushrooms and dead fish in it.
Always. At times, I suggested I'd eat it, if she didn't put this stuff in it, but she insisted it all had to be in it.
One day, she insisted, "You don't like my food."
To the contrary, I insisted; the bread and butter were very good, and it was hard to beat the coffee and milk.
It was an awkward situation; I was still a raw teenager, and hadn't yet learned all the social graces. At this point, all I'd learned was to be impeccably polite, and especially to my elders, nothing more. I really disliked displeasing her, but on the other hand, she was really pushy.
Well, the couple was pretty old at the time--and as rich as Croesus--and it's been years and years since they both went to God. I hope that when she arrived, God explained to her that franksolich was very appreciative of all she did for him, humbly grateful, but there's such a thing as being.....too pushy.
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Once in a while, though, there's a certain class of people who won't let one be responsible for oneself.
Back when I was just out of high school and into college, I spent about six weeks each of two summers in Springfield, Massachusetts, with friends of an aunt of mine.
An ancient Italianate couple, he a physician, she a typical.....older Italianate housewife.
She worried about me constantly, because I was then a newly-minted orphan, and supposed I needed lots and lots of maternal loving--which in this case was tons and tons of Italianate cuisine.
I assured her I was fine, that a hamburger well-done, pressed down hard on the grill so as to squeeze out every drop of grease, French fries done on the stove-top, and a side dish of sour cream, was all I wanted.
But no, she insisted I needed "better" than that, and constantly made this Italianate delicacy or that Italianate delicacy. She probably had a cookbook bigger than even the adroit sparkling old dude's.
With onions and peppers and mushrooms and dead fish in it.
Always. At times, I suggested I'd eat it, if she didn't put this stuff in it, but she insisted it all had to be in it.
One day, she insisted, "You don't like my food."
To the contrary, I insisted; the bread and butter were very good, and it was hard to beat the coffee and milk.
It was an awkward situation; I was still a raw teenager, and hadn't yet learned all the social graces. At this point, all I'd learned was to be impeccably polite, and especially to my elders, nothing more. I really disliked displeasing her, but on the other hand, she was really pushy.
Well, the couple was pretty old at the time--and as rich as Croesus--and it's been years and years since they both went to God. I hope that when she arrived, God explained to her that franksolich was very appreciative of all she did for him, humbly grateful, but there's such a thing as being.....too pushy.
The family that we were visiting is Persian which have a very similar attitude toward food and insisting that all eat until the literally explode and then keep eating after that.
THere is a saying: If two Persians are about to fight, they would stop to eat first.
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That's what bugs me about vegetarians--how the world has to revolve around them and their nutty eating habits. Especially during holidays. The mothers of America have a hard enough job slaving over a hot stove for hours to put out a lavish spread for the holidays without having to make special accommodations for what usually amounts to a single oddball in the family.
I remember a while back one of the DUmmies winging in the Lounge because whenever his colleagues would go out for dinner together they'd go to a steak house (he being vegan, of course)...I always wondered whether they picked the steak house because they wanted steak, or because it would mean that their DUmmy colleague wouldn't attend.
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I'm a vegetarian, not a vegan. I don't tell anyone else what to eat, don't care what they eat. It rarely comes up in discussion. I eat the way I do because I want to, others can do as they please. I don't see anything wrong with that.
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I'm a vegetarian, not a vegan. I don't tell anyone else what to eat, don't care what they eat. It rarely comes up in discussion. I eat the way I do because I want to, others can do as they please. I don't see anything wrong with that.
I have a friend who is vegetarian. It's nice to go out to dinner with her, because we can share a plate.
DOG: Meat, 1/2 dessert
FRIEND: Non-meat, 1/2 dessert
Every vegan I have ever met is an asshole. And they smell funny, too.
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Every vegan I have ever met is an asshole. And they smell funny, too.
Reminds me of a joke...
How can you tell someone is a vegan?
Don't worry. They'll ****ing tell you.
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Finally his son jumps in and says, "Dad, he's diabetic and his health insurance isn't accepted here in Canada." They then stopped insisting. People just don't understand diabetes.
I love that!
I have a cousin and a nephew who both have diabetes. I've seen otherwise intelligent and loving family members try to push foods on them that they'd be better off not eating. They'd refuse, but look uncomfortable about it. As the guys matured they became better at speaking up for themselves and educating us.
Those are some pretty complex guidelines diabetics have to follow, IMO.
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If I were to encounter a vocal, pushy, sermon preaching vegan that was coming over for a holiday meal, I'd tell them, "....and just for you, we didn't mow the lawn this week."
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In this thread, the DUmmies sum up all the major reasons why I'm not fond of vegetarians:
1. They're pretentious and self- righteous. They feel that their dietary choice makes them physically and morally superior to those who eat meat, that their vegetarianism makes them an expert on all things health- related, and their repeated viewings of 'Supersize Me' lead them to believe that all non- vegetarians are disgusting obese slobs who need to be "Educated" on the right things to eat by the pretentious vegetarians in question rather than some silly authority like a doctor ("My mother-in-law always says I'm a picky eater or it is hard to cook for me. I always think of saying "I'm not the one who is 100 lbs over weight and has had 3 heart attacks and needed a knee replacement because of the weight." But I never say it or anything because I don't need to justify my eating habits."..... "People don't know that there are many non - meat sources of protein, so they have to be educated.".... "I've found that once I launch into my sermon on non meat sources of protein people shut up pretty quickly. They just don't want to think about the other reasons why giving up meat might be a good thing.").
2. When going somewhere where someone else is cooking, such as Thanksgiving with family, they insist that the cook prepare a special all- vegan dinner just for them, thus adding to the burdens and stress the cook is already under to get everything ready (Then there was the time she asked me to bring flvegan over for Thanksgiving. "Oh, are you going to make something for us?" I asked.). Bring your own vegan food, don't expect someone to bend over backwards to accomodate you!
3. They feel that unwittingly ingesting anything non- vegan is an abomination that they'll be lucky to survive tantamount with ingesting cyanide, and those responsible for it are evil people ("At the company holiday buffet I was assured by the chef what was vegan. I had a salad with a balsamic vinagraitte and mentioned to them that the dressing was very good. "The secret is anchovy paste" they told me. I wanted to kick him.") btw, here was my reaction to that DUmmy's story:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX7wtNOkuHo
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX7wtNOkuHo
I watched several of the short Bob Ross painting videos at the end ....I don't why but I like to watch him paint.... :lmao:
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btw, a couple more points for any lurking vegetarian DUmmies who believe that their dietary choices make them the pinnacle of health and that all non- vegans are fat slobs about to have a heart attack:
1. Most of the vegetarians/ vegans I know don't look healthy; They look like scrawny, emaciated sacks of bones.
2. How's about that vegan couple a few years back that caused their infant son to die of malnourishment as a result of forcing their vegan diet on him?
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Buddy of mine had a Vegan girlfriend many years ago. She was always spouting the typical vegan slogan-isms. Meat is murder, blah, blah...... She loved the "I won't eat anything with a face" meme. One day she spouted that tripe so I said "Then just cut it's face off".
I don't think she liked me.
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btw, a couple more points for any lurking vegetarian DUmmies who believe that their dietary choices make them the pinnacle of health and that all non- vegans are fat slobs about to have a heart attack:
1. Most of the vegetarians/ vegans I know don't look healthy; They look like scrawny, emaciated sacks of bones.
2. How's about that vegan couple a few years back that caused their infant son to die of malnourishment as a result of forcing their vegan diet on him?
I read about people feeding their dogs and cats as vegans, too.
Animal cruelty.
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I am a firm believer in being a good guest. I always ask if they want me to bring anything. I eat a mostly vegan diet part of the time for religious reasons, but I have been taught that is is better to be good host at somebody's home and eat what they are serving than to make a big deal about my fasting practices.
Bringing vegan snacks out with myself isn't hard at all. Fruit tends to be highly portable, and Larabars are really filling snacks. If you are eating out, you can easily ask that meat not be added to a salad, but again, as the diet is for religious reasons, the goal is to try to stay within the confines of the fast without drawing attention to it.
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Ufaloopa just described most of the people on disability at the dump. It better be careful where it swings that heart attack obesity hammer considering.
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I read about people feeding their dogs and cats as vegans, too.
Animal cruelty.
A dog can eat vegan if the diet is carefully controlled. It will kill a cat.
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A dog can eat a vegan if the diet is carefully controlled. It will kill a cat.
Fixt.
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A dog can eat vegan if the diet is carefully controlled. It will kill a cat.
A dog put on a vegan diet will kill the human.
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Last year my Uncle decided to go Vegan. That Thanksgiving was in doom. He wanted to do everything like always, including the turkey. I fought him for it because why should a vegan do the turkey? He won't taste it to see if its good. So I made it. Everything else was just awful. The pies were terrible. There was just nothing there. The mashed potatoes didn't have milk in them they were dry and lumpy. But the turkey, my turkey, came out excellent.
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Last year my Uncle decided to go Vegan. That Thanksgiving was in doom. He wanted to do everything like always, including the turkey. I fought him for it because why should a vegan do the turkey? He won't taste it to see if its good. So I made it. Everything else was just awful. The pies were terrible. There was just nothing there. The mashed potatoes didn't have milk in them they were dry and lumpy. But the turkey, my turkey, came out excellent.
My wife doesn't eat pork. However, she did cook a very delicious ham for our Christmas dinner guests. I told her that I would cook the ham since she didn't eat pork. She was obviously concerned about the probabliity of a bad outcome and cooked it anyway. :rotf:
I like pork but, would never expect her to cook it or anything else for that matter.
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I love that!
I have a cousin and a nephew who both have diabetes. I've seen otherwise intelligent and loving family members try to push foods on them that they'd be better off not eating. They'd refuse, but look uncomfortable about it. As the guys matured they became better at speaking up for themselves and educating us.
Those are some pretty complex guidelines diabetics have to follow, IMO.
You got that right.
However, There are many better options these days for diabetics than 30 or more years ago. Almost 30 years ago, there was this small section of the store that had the diabetic options. they were expensive and tasted like crap. Now, a diabetic can eat many normal foods. They just have to watch the amounts of the different types of foods. Of course, some cases are so severe that this can still be a problem.
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I am a firm believer in being a good guest. I always ask if they want me to bring anything. I eat a mostly vegan diet part of the time for religious reasons, but I have been taught that is is better to be good host at somebody's home and eat what they are serving than to make a big deal about my fasting practices.
Bringing vegan snacks out with myself isn't hard at all. Fruit tends to be highly portable, and Larabars are really filling snacks. If you are eating out, you can easily ask that meat not be added to a salad, but again, as the diet is for religious reasons, the goal is to try to stay within the confines of the fast without drawing attention to it.
I have no issues dining anywhere even though I don't eat meat. I can always find something whether dining out or with friends or family. I make no demands for special treatment. If that means I have nothing but salad I'm fine with that. I'm not going to someone else's home for the food; I'm there for the fellowship.
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Buddy of mine had a Vegan girlfriend many years ago. She was always spouting the typical vegan slogan-isms. Meat is murder, blah, blah...... She loved the "I won't eat anything with a face" meme. One day she spouted that tripe so I said "Then just cut it's face off".
I don't think she liked me.
We had a couple from a southeastern state move to cattle country. They are vegan. Fine with us (neighbors). But they had to tell us how immoral we were by raising cattle and sheep, hunting, fishing, etc. They too said they wouldn't eat anything with a face. We all took it pretty well and kept on about our business.
They invited us all over for a party and the ones who brought food made a face on everything. The dips had faces, the vegetables were arranged in face patterns, and one guy, who carves, carved cool faces in apples. At first they were offended, but then realized it was just their turn.
I had enough of them when they wanted my deer, coyote, and cow hides for decoration, but didn't want anything to do with harvesting or preparting the hides. I took their money (may as well), but lost respect for them and their purported ideals.
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I watched several of the short Bob Ross painting videos at the end ....I don't why but I like to watch him paint.... :lmao:
I used to like to watch Bob Ross paint too. One thing that bothered me was, in my opinion, he never knew when to stop painting. It always seemed like just when he had a nice finished painting, he'd grab the paint scraper and load it up with paint and add a big tree trunk:
Here's where my tree will live.
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I used to like to watch Bob Ross paint too. One thing that bothered me was, in my opinion, he never knew when to stop painting. It always seemed like just when he had a nice finished painting, he'd grab the paint scraper and load it up with paint and add a big tree trunk:
Here's where my tree will live.
Bob Ross was somewhat mezmerizing. His mellow voice kept you relaxed while the painting would just take shape. Of course, he was into painting "happy trees".
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I love Bob Ross! I always used to watch him when I was growing up. I used to like it when he'd clean his brush, or have an animal on.
Here is the best Bob Ross brush cleaning vid on Youtubes. :naughty:
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBn0NolWtNc[/youtube]