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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Tess Anderson on March 15, 2013, 06:49:07 PM
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022514288
He posted a picture of it, but didn't impress me:
Fri Mar 15, 2013, 05:34 PM
DainBramaged (37,228 posts)
When buying a car, don't treat the customer like shit
My beautiful daughter decided it was time to replace her high millage American car (Pontiac). Realizing fully that her entire life has been influenced by cars (thanks Dad) she did her research of the cars SHE wanted to buy. After reading everything and asking friends who drove what she was looking for, she narrowed it down to a Civic 4-door and a Jetta 4-door, used but late model. She wanted to do this hereself without my help.
She first went to the local Honda dealer, huge, been in business for generations.
They treated her like shit.
Salesman wouldn't shake her hand when she offered it, was condescending, RUDE, treated her like an idiot, wouldn't let her test drive the car, asked her IF HER HUSBAND WAS GOING TO BUY THE CAR and NEEDED her license to verify she was "legitimate". After leaving her for almost 10 minutes to talk to the finance guy (or that's what the office said) he came back and asked how she would pay for it.
She said cash and she knew which car she wanted.
He said "I'm going on vacation when I leave, why don't you come back a week from Monday", while she tried to explain she knew which car she wanted, he basically said see me when I come back.
She left. Later she found out on Dealerrater.com they have a SHIT rating with their customers (I gave her the website).
She then went to the local VW dealer. The salesperson was incredible. Took her for a drive, explained everything, help her pick out a NON-lease return low mileage recent Jetta, and took her for a dealer tour. All the while, he kept emphasising how important the optional warranty was, and I mean constant, as if he was trying to tell her something. Maybe h was, the shop had more than it's share of Jetta's in for repair.
That's when she contacted me frustrated, disappointed. She didn't understand cash isn't king in the car business, hey make their profit on the back end.
We went to the dealer I've bought cars from for 30 years, the local Chevy dealer. We walked around the lot unmolested and she discovered the Chevy Cruze, and loved it. We checked the used car lot and they had only three, one was a one-owner very recent 4 door LT. They let her TAKE IT HOME on an extended test drive. NONE in the shop, ZERO. That did it. They didn't ask how she was going to pay for it, were GREAT with her, and closed the deal giving her a substantial discount off the advertised price PLUS a HUGE amount for her trade, over and above what it was worth. She had over $2000 left from what she anticipated spending after trading in her old car.
She took it home a week ago. Runs great, GREAT gas millage, fits her needs PERFECTLY, warranty till 2016, and the whole point was she was treated like an equal, as a friend and not a customer.
She bought a UAW made car.
She made Dad proud.
In cash, hard to believe, as here:
Response to DainBramaged (Original post)
Fri Mar 15, 2013, 07:01 PM
nadinbrzezinski (117,188 posts)
36. We bought our jeep, cash as well,
From a local dealer. They were all but nice, we almost walked out three times, but the jeep fit our needs like a glove.
Oh and being a woman is indeed a disadvantage both when buying and taking them to the shop. Yes, that is where we still have some quaint, and I might add, wrong attitudes.
:rotf:
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Oh and being a woman is indeed a disadvantage both when buying and taking them to the shop.
Your a woman? My bad :tongue:
Actually, I found being a woman works to my advantage.... :-*
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022514288
He posted a picture of it, but didn't impress me:
I thought the dummie was female? :shrug: :shrug:
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Your a woman? My bad :tongue:
Actually, I found being a woman works to my advantage.... :-*
I'm sure you:
A: Bathe
B: Are polite
C: Look better than her
D: Don't rant about eeevil businesses ripping of the consumer
F: Smile
:cheersmate:
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This weak bouncy from the brain damaged DUmpmonkey had one purpose:
She bought a UAW made car.
And it's on the same DUmp page as all the whining about Detroit's UAW-fueled collapse.
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Salesman wouldn't shake her hand when she offered it, was condescending, RUDE, treated her like an idiot, wouldn't let her test drive the car, asked her IF HER HUSBAND WAS GOING TO BUY THE CAR and NEEDED her license to verify she was "legitimate". After leaving her for almost 10 minutes to talk to the finance guy (or that's what the office said) he came back and asked how she would pay for it.
She said cash and she knew which car she wanted.
He said "I'm going on vacation when I leave, why don't you come back a week from Monday", while she tried to explain she knew which car she wanted, he basically said see me when I come back.
Well that whole thing is a lie. There is no salesman at a normal big name dealership that would act like that. And they verify her license? OMG!!! They take her license if she test drives to see if she has a ****ing license to drive. He asked her how she would pay for what? In the next sentence she tells him she knew which car she wanted? So which is it dumb ass? He would have sold her the car right then and there not told her to come back. That is how I know your whole story is bullshit.
**** UAW and the millions of jobs they have lost America and the shitty products they made.
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DainBramaged
...and closed the deal giving her a substantial discount off the advertised price PLUS a HUGE amount for her trade, over and above what it was worth.
Yeah, that's what car dealers are famous for, giving you trade-in value above what the car is worth. I've lost track of how many dealers voluntarily offered to give me the top value recommended by the blue books and then some.
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Oh and being a woman is indeed a disadvantage both when buying and taking them to the shop.
Being a woman is not a disadvantage in the car shopping world. Buying a car is easy for me. I look for what I want BEFORE I go to the dealership on our valley auto mall website. When I find something I like, I check out the car on the lot, walk inside and find a salesman... any sales MAN... must be a MAN! I tell that man what car I want and tell him I want to take it on a test drive. I give them my license because it's required that the dealership has proof that I can legally drive a car.
If the test drive passed my standards, we go back inside to play "Let's Make a Deal". I throw out a number I want to pay, if they turn it down, I get up to leave and that's when the sales MAN will start doing things my way. I go into dealerships knowing I am leaving with a car that day. Since salesmen work on commission, they want to move that car.
I would tell Nadin to wear a tank top and shorts to purchase a car... but nobody wants to see that. I like having boobies when it comes to buying cars. Just saying.
My car doesn't go to the shop because my husband knows how to work on cars. Nadin is such an expert in everything, I'm surprised she doesn't know how to work on her own vehicles.
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Nadin is such an expert in everything, I'm surprised she doesn't know how to work on her own vehicles.
I'm sure she does. Not long ago she was describing a problem with her "breaks".
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Yeah, that's what car dealers are famous for, giving you trade-in value above what the car is worth. I've lost track of how many dealers voluntarily offered to give me the top value recommended by the blue books and then some..
Pretty common actually.
They make up for it with a smaller "substantial" discount.
Just a numbers game to make the customer feel like they got a good deal.
Dealer then sells trade-in at auction, and gets actual value.
Didn't lose a penny as the customer paid more for the new.
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nadinbrzezinski (117,188 posts)
36. We bought our jeep, cash as well,
From a local dealer. They were all but nice, we almost walked out three times, but the jeep fit our needs like a glove.
Oh and being a woman is indeed a disadvantage both when buying and taking them to the shop. Yes, that is where we still have some quaint, and I might add, wrong attitudes.
Dealer treated her badly?
"Well miss (reads card) Miss Nadin. I'm quite aware you want a jeep. But I would like to point out that we have a fine selection of ponies out back. Ponies are very popular with Dwarves I believe."
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Dealer treated her badly?
"Well miss (reads card) Miss Nadin. I'm quite aware you want a jeep. But I would like to point out that we have a fine selection of ponies out back. Ponies are very popular with Dwarves I believe."
Are Skittles standard, or an option? :???:
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I hate shopping for cars/rucks.
Last time I had a bad experience I was in a hurry. Whipped into a Ford dealership and told the heavily loaded down with gold jewelry wearing salesman(always a bad sign) I wanted that red diesel FORD F-350 4-door dually. Told him I wanted the very best price he had, tags, taxes, everything and no trade in, one price. Told him I'd be back in about an hour and if the price was right I'd write them a check for it and drive it home. When I came back by he had the price, it was a good one, told him I'd take it. When we got in the office the price changed, dealer prep so much, origination fee so much, extended warranty, tags so much, taxes so much, blah, blah, blah. I reminded him that I had said that I wanted a price, just one price for tags, taxes everything....oh, he tells these other cost are normal and in addition to the quoted price......I walked out. I'm glad he thought I was a fool, it saved me 40 thousand because after that I decided I really didn't need another truck. :-)
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I was going to ask why he would have a problem with the dealer wanting to see her license before she could drive their car, then I realized it is because of DUmmies who go to car dealers hopped up on weed with suspended licenses then wrap the car around a telephone pole and sue the dealership for letting them drive. I suppose if one of my kind was responsible for a policy like that I might be a bit touchy about it too.
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Pretty common actually.
They make up for it with a smaller "substantial" discount.
Just a numbers game to make the customer feel like they got a good deal.
Dealer then sells trade-in at auction, and gets actual value.
Didn't lose a penny as the customer paid more for the new.
The way I deal for cars they couldn't do that.
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I smell a bouncy.
BD posts a pic, but it's not a pic of his spawns car. It's a stock photo.
http://www.autoguide.com/gallery/d/346078-5/2011-Chevrolet-Cruze-LT-159.jpg
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Hmmm...the only man I've ever seen squeamish with shaking a females hand is a Muslim man. That's a cultural thing largely and I'd bet it's one of his 'pet' cultures that denied his daughter a handshake, likely because he thought her advances 'dirty' in his culture to be forward. So much for all that feminism in that quaint ole brown peoples cultures. :lmao:
Anyway, I think this was all a load of shit bouncy so he could prop up the UAW. Notice how both of the other dealerships were for FOREIGN cars. ::)
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I think this was all a load of shit bouncy so he could prop up the UAW. Notice how both of the other dealerships were for FOREIGN cars. ::)
Oh yes.
She probably bought a car, but didn't go to any dealerships specializing in imports.
Given that the brain-damaged primitive lied to the IRS (Internal Revenue Service) a few years ago, it's to be expected that he lied to the primitives too.
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Hmmm...the only man I've ever seen squeamish with shaking a females hand is a Muslim man. That's a cultural thing largely and I'd bet it's one of his 'pet' cultures that denied his daughter a handshake, likely because he thought her advances 'dirty' in his culture to be forward. So much for all that feminism in that quaint ole brown peoples cultures. :lmao:
Anyway, I think this was all a load of shit bouncy so he could prop up the UAW. Notice how both of the other dealerships were for FOREIGN cars. ::)
If you walk into a store and a brown person is running the cash register, stick out your left hand for your change. If they place it on the counter, they're probably Muslim. I do it most of the time.... :-) ....I'm old. It's permissible to be an ass when your old. :-)
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The way I deal for cars they couldn't do that.
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Best deal I ever got on a Jeep was a fluke of sorts. Timing and what ever was going on in the dealership.
We pulled in driving a 20 year old boat, Lincoln Cont. Smoke billowing out the tail pipe and a real mess of a paint job.
We could not afford a new one so we checked out the used and they were also way to expensive for us. The Young salesman was trying so hard to make a sale, he turned around and told us to wait right where we were and off he ran to the new delivery lot and came whizzing around a corner with a little Yellow Jeep with the top down. A repo owned for 18 months and in brand new condition. 3,000 miles on it.
The cost was $ $16,000. we went into the dealership to start the haggling about cost, the trade in value on our $200 car and to our surprise we received $2,000 trade in and 0% interest.
We asked no questions just signed on the dotted line and drove her home. What a deal we got, today we have owned this baby for 13 years and outside of scheduled maintenance and new tires she runs like a clock.
A once in a life time deal, we were in the right place at the right time.
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The way I deal for cars they couldn't do that..
That's because you're an old cheapskate. :tongue: :rotf:
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Well if she bought a GovMtr car made since 2006 she is in for lots of problems. The later the manufacture date the more the problems.
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Congratulations on your recent purchase of a second-rate Korean car cobbled together by the UAW.
I have a feeling she will be going back to that dealer quite often.
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Well if she bought a GovMtr car made since 2006 she is in for lots of problems. The later the manufacture date the more the problems.
In 2001 I bought a Saturn SC2 and it is the best car I ever bought. 200K miles on it, reliable an it still gets spectacular mileage.
In 2007 I bought a Saturn VUE. It's a complete POS. My MG was more reliable than that turd. GM took a really good car company and totally destroyed it.
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Just a point of interest: DB works for a American auto dealership.
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In 2001 I bought a Saturn SC2 and it is the best car I ever bought. 200K miles on it, reliable an it still gets spectacular mileage.
In 2007 I bought a Saturn VUE. It's a complete POS. My MG was more reliable than that turd. GM took a really good car company and totally destroyed it.
It was a GM facility from day one. Brainchild of Roger Smith.
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It was a GM facility from day one. Brainchild of Roger Smith.
That's what I though, because my best friends family got discounts from GM and came home with a Saturn from Ohio in the mid 90's because of the discount.
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nadinbrzezinski (117,188 posts)
36. We bought our jeep, cash as well
If nutcase nadin could pay cash for a new Jeep, she wouldn't be living in that crappy little condo, hard up against a roaring San Diego expressway.
She should check with Pam Dawson. Now that Pam's dying, she'd probably give a good price on that like-new 2010 Jeep she brags about.
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Well if she bought a GovMtr car made since 2006 she is in for lots of problems. The later the manufacture date the more the problems.
The Chevy Cruze's were having a lot of problems for awhile and they are pretty new. I think the first year made was 2011 or 2012. Can't remember. My husband works on cars all day long and he says those things were junk. He said the Chevy Sonic was nicer than the Chevy Cruze, which says a lot since the Sonic is replacing the Aveo.
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I know there are probably some American car lovers on her. But I love my German engineered BMW. I have had 3 of them and wouldn't drive anything else. Next to that I have also loved my Toyota 4-Runners, of which I have had two.
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I had an '01 4Runner. It was dependable, of course, like any new vehicle. But it was very underpowered, and the luggage rack stirred up some extreme wind noise. I heard they've since increased engine horsepower.
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In 2001 I bought a Saturn SC2 and it is the best car I ever bought. 200K miles on it, reliable an it still gets spectacular mileage.
In 2007 I bought a Saturn VUE. It's a complete POS. My MG was more reliable than that turd. GM took a really good car company and totally destroyed it.
I bought an '02 Saturn SL sedan and put 138,100 miles on it. It was still getting into the low-to-mid 30s on fuel mileage when I got rid of it last summer. I now drive an '09 Toyota RAV4 and I love it--except the fuel mileage. Low-to-mid 20s now.
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Hmmm...the only man I've ever seen squeamish with shaking a females hand is a Muslim man. That's a cultural thing largely and I'd bet it's one of his 'pet' cultures that denied his daughter a handshake, likely because he thought her advances 'dirty' in his culture to be forward. So much for all that feminism in that quaint ole brown peoples cultures. :lmao:
Anyway, I think this was all a load of shit bouncy so he could prop up the UAW. Notice how both of the other dealerships were for FOREIGN cars. ::)
Could be that she has been in their before and was a total ass to the salesperson or the company has a policy of no contact with opposite sex customers.
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He said "I'm going on vacation when I leave, why don't you come back a week from Monday", while she tried to explain she knew which car she wanted, he basically said see me when I come back.
:lmao:
This is very funny to me. I have NEVER walked out of dealership without buying a car. Every time I tried walking out they would stop me before I reached the door with a "better price", until I agreed.
One time a few years ago my wife wanted to get a car and I could not be with her for some reason. We came to a price we thought fair before she went. They would not agree, so she called me and I told her to walk out and she would not reach her car before they agreed. Actually she never made it to the door. :-)
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It was a GM facility from day one. Brainchild of Roger Smith.
True, but my understanding is that it operated essentially independent of GM at the beginning. Then the powers that be at GM decided that they could help them be even better which may have helped them out of business.
As I said, the above is just my understanding from articles that I read many years back.
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Well, I see in the news a guy was sleeping at the bottom of an elevator shaft, and when the elevator came down, it killed him.
I was hoping it was in northern New Jersey, but it wasn't.
Do elevators ever crush someone in northern New Jersey? Often?
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I know there are probably some American car lovers on her. But I love my German engineered BMW. I have had 3 of them and wouldn't drive anything else. Next to that I have also loved my Toyota 4-Runners, of which I have had two.
It's all a matter of personal choice. I happen to like Chevrolet and Ford. I wouldn't buy a new Chevrolet if my life depended on it, which is why the dealer probably cussed me when I drove my "new" 07 dualie off the lot in 2010. I also have a 99XJR that I use to embarass the kids in their hopped up ricers (Jaguar XJ series makes a great mid life crisis sedan). :-)
I would love to get my hands on a supercharged 7 series. I imagine I could have a boatload of fun with one of those...
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It's all a matter of personal choice. I happen to like Chevrolet and Ford. I wouldn't buy a new Chevrolet if my life depended on it, which is why the dealer probably cussed me when I drove my "new" 07 dualie off the lot in 2010. I also have a 99XJR that I use to embarass the kids in their hopped up ricers (Jaguar XJ series makes a great mid life crisis sedan). :-)
I would love to get my hands on a supercharged 7 series. I imagine I could have a boatload of fun with one of those...
Well you would either want to go retro and get a 1997 750i-iL 5.4 Liter V12, had one and those are fun.
If you want to spend about $100,000 I would suggest the new 750Li 4.4-liter BMW TwinPower Turbo V-8, 32-valve 445-hp engine. Combines two turbochargers with variable valve control (Double-VANOS and Valvetronic) and high-precision direct injection. 8-speed tranny. Man that makes me tingle in places I shouldn't.
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I looked at an older 7-series with the V8. I mentioned this before, but there wasn't enough room in that engine compartment to squeeze in a fart. I could barely fit my fingers down in some places.
Nope, no thanks.
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I'll keep my Chevy 3/4 ton 4X4, thank you very much.
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Seriously considered a Porsche 944 Turbo there for a while as a 'weekend' car. Stuck with a Buick Rendezvous for now, I don't like it but it's paid for and I will drive it until the wheels fall off.
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I also have a 99XJR that I use to embarass the kids in their hopped up ricers (Jaguar XJ series makes a great mid life crisis sedan).
You do that too?
I have a Jaguar S-Type and it's kind of fast for what it is. Nobody expects it.
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I hate shopping for cars/rucks.
Last time I had a bad experience I was in a hurry. Whipped into a Ford dealership and told the heavily loaded down with gold jewelry wearing salesman(always a bad sign) I wanted that red diesel FORD F-350 4-door dually. Told him I wanted the very best price he had, tags, taxes, everything and no trade in, one price. Told him I'd be back in about an hour and if the price was right I'd write them a check for it and drive it home. When I came back by he had the price, it was a good one, told him I'd take it. When we got in the office the price changed, dealer prep so much, origination fee so much, extended warranty, tags so much, taxes so much, blah, blah, blah. I reminded him that I had said that I wanted a price, just one price for tags, taxes everything....oh, he tells these other cost are normal and in addition to the quoted price......I walked out. I'm glad he thought I was a fool, it saved me 40 thousand because after that I decided I really didn't need another truck. :-)
I learned a long time ago that if they start that, get up, walk out.
Oh, the finance guy is going to TRY to sell you a bunch of shit, but all you have to do is say, "No thanks" and if he gives you any crap, walk out. Even getting up is usually enough to get them to STFU and finish filling out the paperwork. At least the folks I bought the truck from this time knew how to take no for an answer, considering most of the crap they try pushing on you (extended warranties, scottchguard, etc.,) is nothing but pure profit for them.
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It's all a matter of personal choice. I happen to like Chevrolet and Ford. I wouldn't buy a new Chevrolet if my life depended on it, which is why the dealer probably cussed me when I drove my "new" 07 dualie off the lot in 2010. I also have a 99XJR that I use to embarass the kids in their hopped up ricers (Jaguar XJ series makes a great mid life crisis sedan). :-)
I would love to get my hands on a supercharged 7 series. I imagine I could have a boatload of fun with one of those...
Two words: Ford Ecoboost.
I never thought I'd buy a V-6 over a V-8 in an F-150. I have been converted, let me tell you.
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True, but my understanding is that it operated essentially independent of GM at the beginning. Then the powers that be at GM decided that they could help them be even better which may have helped them out of business.
As I said, the above is just my understanding from articles that I read many years back.
That was my understanding too. When they operated independent of GM they made a really good product. While I was considering the car I called everyone I knew that ever owned a Saturn and they all said they wouldn't hesitate to buy another one.
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I saw the brain-damaged primitive hanging around Skin's island earlier today, but he wasn't doing anything especially remarkable.
But then I ran across this:
Elderly man trapped at bottom of toilet
Posted on Thursday, March 21, 2013 4:46:31 PM by JoeProBono
CHATSWORTH, Ga.- An elderly man was hospitalized after spending more than an hour trapped at the bottom of a deep toilet pit at a Georgia park, officials said.
Lisa Parker, spokeswoman for the district that covers the U.S. Corps of Engineers property at Carters Lake, said toilets at the park open to the hole where the refuse is treated and left to decompose. The man apparently fell in after standing on the toilet instead of sitting, the Dalton (Ga.) Daily Citizen reported Thursday.
"We've had these type of toilet facilities for 10 to 15 years, and he just misused the toilet, unfortunately," Parker said.
Parker said the man was trapped for about 70 minutes, as it took some time for family members to become concerned and park representatives had to be summoned to unlock the door.
The spokeswoman said the man was "covered in mess and scraped up." He was taken to Murray Medical Center in Chatsworth.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2999417/posts
Does one suppose they have some of this sort of toilet up in northern New Jersey, and that the brain-damaged primitive might have reason to use one some time?
The photograph at the link is hilarious, if one goes to look.
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I saw the brain-damaged primitive hanging around Skin's island earlier today, but he wasn't doing anything especially remarkable.
But then I ran across this:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2999417/posts
Does one suppose they have some of this sort of toilet up in northern New Jersey, and that the brain-damaged primitive might have reason to use one some time?
The photograph at the link is hilarious, if one goes to look.
That cracked me up.
BTW, I bought a Ford a week ago.
Used, mind you, but, happy with it.
I've never bought a brand new car, never will.
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I've never bought a brand new car, never will.
I'm with you. My last two cars have been used Olds Auroras and I love 'em.
(http://media.ed.edmunds-media.com/oldsmobile/aurora/2001/oem/2001_oldsmobile_aurora_sedan_35_fq_oem_1_500.jpg)
Yet my guy buys brand new vehicles every year or so - what a waste of money! :mental: Oh, well, it's his money.
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I'm with you. My last two cars have been used Olds Auroras and I love 'em.
(http://media.ed.edmunds-media.com/oldsmobile/aurora/2001/oem/2001_oldsmobile_aurora_sedan_35_fq_oem_1_500.jpg)
Yet my guy buys brand new vehicles every year or so - what a waste of money! :mental: Oh, well, it's his money.
I'll never understand why some people do that.
Drive it off the lot, and lose four thousand dollars.
I'm not impressed with their 2014 Bajinga, in the least.