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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: SSG Snuggle Bunny on March 15, 2013, 04:48:03 AM
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In another thread, chitownchica said,
Maybe Obama bought all those bullets to use on the DUmmies when they revolt.
Can't wait to see how the primitives respond when they hear their vet bills are going up to pay for Obamacare.
http://miami.cbslocal.com...e-you-at-the-vets-office/
Well, she got her wish...
...and so did the little tyrants:
humbled_opinion (3,241 posts)
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Seriously, what can be done to ensure that these vultures do not pass these costs on to consumers. There has to be some kind of government protection to help people that have pets that are going to be robbed by these vets in the name of the Affordable Care Act... The worse part is that they shamelessly admit that they will pass on the increases to their customers. I guess I will start using the Humane Society for all my pets medical needs, didn't want to go that route but I can't afford cost increases in vet care, hopefully the Humane Society doesn't raise their prices too....
Bay Boy (465 posts)
1. Are you calling the veterinarians vultures?
That seems unfair. Why shouldn't they pass along a price increase. That said I don't see why a vet should be paying an excise tax for equipment that isn't intended for human use.
humbled_opinion (3,241 posts)
6. Yes to those vets
That would pass along a tax cost that was specifically used to benefit humans as part of animal care I would call them vultures, not saying all would do that but some may.
kestrel91316 (44,569 posts)
29. I'm a veterinarian. I pass along all costs of doing
business to my CLIENTS (they aren't customers - I'm no shopkeeper).
All businesses do. You don't hear of wages being cut every time some supply or piece of equipment goes up in price. But you WILL eventually see retail costs rise.
And the "devices" that will go up in price because of the tax are things like intravenous catheters, which cost me a buck or two each from my wholesaler. And when I charge $50 or whatever to place that IV catheter, 95% of my fee is professional services, truth be told, and 5% is cost of supplies. So the thing has a slightly higher cost now, maybe $1.10 or $2.20. It's hardly worth noting.
The fears that this is going to make vet costs skyrocket is complete and utter bull shit and RIGHT WING PROPAGANDA.
humbled_opinion (3,241 posts)
33. Nuts
I understand this is just a few cents now, but the point is the same, what if government keeps raising your taxes, your reply is you just keep on passing the costs on to consumers? That is insane so am I do believe every time Obama says that the rich should pay more he is advocating my (lower middle class) costs going up?
Where is your compassion... I hope everyone boycotts your business for passing on costs you are no different than Papa Johns and Denny's saying that their costs go up because of the PPACA....
STOP and extrapolate your capitalist greed across every single business sector are you telling me that won't wind up hurting me the low wage consumer that is barely making ends meet now?
THINK THINK THINK...
christx30 (1,133 posts)
49. Taxes are just another expense.
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They raise the price of power to the building, prices go up
They raise the rent. Prices go up.
They raise the cost of raw materials, prices go up.
Why are taxes any different? How is it greed to say "It's more expensive for me to run my business now. I either need to raise my prices or shut my doors." Sometimes businesses complain loudly (and in Papa John's case, annoyingly) and threaten to raise prices. Some keep it quiet. But when taxes go up, prices go up. Hell... look at your cable/internet bill. Probably a full 1/3rd of the total bill is taxes and government imposed fees. Can't do anything about it. It's just there. If you've ever seen this and thought to yourself that you might need to change your services to compensate, you are no better than anyone that raises their prices to compensate for increased taxes. It's not greed. It's just the economic reality.
If your expenses went up (rent raised, had a kid, ect), wouldn't you try to get a raise from your boss? How is that not greed?
I have no problem with taxes. But I do know that there is a cost when they are raised. Everyone wants to make as much money from their products and services as they can. But if you wouldn't take a pay cut, why should anyone else?
Ruby the Liberal (23,212 posts)
3. You are blaming vets because their overhead went up due to an excise tax?
Wow.
Arthur Laffer just called and said,
:nelson:
humbled_opinion (3,241 posts)
7. So what does the PPACA
have to do with animals?
Ruby the Liberal (23,212 posts)
12. Do you read what you post before you hit 'submit'?
From your article, emphasis added:
Its part of a new 2.3-percent federal excise tax on certain medical devices that just went into effect. The tax will help fund the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, commonly known as Obamacare, intended for people, not pets. Manufacturers pay the tax, but a recent survey found more than half plan to pass it along.
Emphasis from DU post.
greatlaurel (6 posts)
5. This smells of desperation by the GOP
The GOP is getting really desperate to try and stop the ACA. Once it is implemented and it gives people any relief, the GOP will loose a lot more elections, after all the ridiculous claims they have made about ACA. This is just another attempt to frighten gullible people into hysteria about the ACA.
The biggest cost for vets is paying off their outrageous student loans. That is a big driver of vet costs. The other price driver is the cost of animal drugs. Once big pharma got vet antibiotics regulated, I noticed drug prices went way up. Used to be able to go to the farm store or mill and get antibiotics for your animals without a vet visit. The factory "farms" still use the vast majority of antibiotics in the USA. That is a huge source of the scary antibiotic resistance problem.
So...
-- regulations getting slapped on vet meds drives up prices
-- but slapping 20,000 regs on health care driving-up prices is a desperate gambit by a "loosing" GOP
Do these **** nuggets even try to appear consistent in the same post?
Apparently not because this idiot got nothing but praise.
Tanuki (1,475 posts)
10. Excellent first post---welcome to DU! eom
SunSeeker (3,922 posts)
26. Welcome. We can always use another voice of reason here!
Auntie Bush (14,827 posts)
38. Welcome to DU Greatlaurel
****ing idiots.
southernyankeebelle (9,996 posts)
16. People need to understand doctors and dentists are being hit also. They have alot of expenses
they have to have. They have to meet payroll. I know I have a relative that is a dentist and this relative paid 50% in taxes and this relative is still going to owe the government $30,000. This relative spent 12 yrs becoming a dentist. This relative also had breast cancer and if she didn't have some of her friends help pick up some of the slack I don't know what would have happened. She had to worry not only about her but also her employees. It is very sad that big corporations aren't paying the fair share of taxes. Doctors are hurting to.
DreamGypsy (872 posts)
51. GIVE ME A BREAK: Medical devices are generally NOT single use ...
... so any increase in cost can/will be amortized over the usages.
If a $10,000.00 device increases in cost by 2.3%, that's $230.00. If the device is has an expected lifetime of 1000 usages before replacement or repair, that's 23 cents per use ... passed on to the the client by the veterinarian...per treatment or usage.
The people that care for my dogs are outstanding professional, caring women and men. I respect the integrity of each vet, vet assistant, and clerical person at the animal hospital. The love my dogs...not quite as much as I do...but almost.
My vets understand that some people are unable to pay the full costs for treatment of their animal companions and they accept donations from those of us who can afford more to support those who cannot. I am more than happy to give all my spare quarters to support the care of my community's animal companions.
To kestrel91316 - thanks for devoting your life to caring for our animal companions/teachers.
To greatlaurel - welcome. you exposed the core problem...the purpose of the media is to incite panic.
dballance (2,801 posts)
54. You Can't Possibly Be Serious
You pay for services rendered every day. If a vendor raises their rates then you live with it. We all commonly live with gas stations raising their rates all the time. There isn't a lot we can do about that since we need to drive to work.
You want government protection from vendors increasing prices? That's about the most ridiculous thing I've heard lately. You're whining about 2.3 percent? Really? So if you cannot afford two cents on the dollar then perhaps you should reconsider whether or not you can afford a pet in the first place.
If the people who drill and mine for the energy sources that allow these morons to sit around and post their hateful idiocy day-after-day were given even half of the benefit of the doubt as vets DU wouldn't be half the toxic cesspool it is.
But then they need a toxic cesspool because they need villains to justify their Napoleon complexes.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014422801
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humbled_opinion (3,241 posts)
33. Nuts
I understand this is just a few cents now, but the point is the same, what if government keeps raising your taxes, your reply is you just keep on passing the costs on to consumers? That is insane so am I do believe every time Obama says that the rich should pay more he is advocating my (lower middle class) costs going up?
Where is your compassion... I hope everyone boycotts your business for passing on costs you are no different than Papa Johns and Denny's saying that their costs go up because of the PPACA....
STOP and extrapolate your capitalist greed across every single business sector are you telling me that won't wind up hurting me the low wage consumer that is barely making ends meet now?
THINK THINK THINK...
The real world just called...said welcome to obamanomics you ****ing moron!
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I'm just going to say it: idiots like this DUmbass have no business cancelling out the votes of normal people. :banghead:
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I hope everyone boycotts your business for passing on costs
:lmao:
I haven't seen this idiot before. What a petulant baby. She would end up boycotting every single business in the world, in her objection to cost coverage. Starve in the dark and cold, DUmbass.
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I understand this is just a few cents now, but the point is the same, what if government keeps raising your taxes, your reply is you just keep on passing the costs on to consumers? That is insane so am I do believe every time Obama says that the rich should pay more he is advocating my (lower middle class) costs going up?
That's riiiiii-iight.!
Bend over. It get's worse.
I hope everyone boycotts your business for passing on costs
If he/sh/it doesn't, you won't have to worry about a boycott.
(http://albertadiary.ca/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/GoingOut.jpg)
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STOP and extrapolate your capitalist greed across every single business sector are you telling me that won't wind up hurting me the low wage consumer that is barely making ends meet now?
THINK THINK THINK...
Uh-huh. Everyone is in business to ensure that you continue to ride a chocolate unicorn, right Slappy?
(http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/c0.0.403.403/p403x403/302332_409912009067163_1357615364_n.jpg#Stupid%20Liberals%20berkelely%20%20403x403)
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humbled_opinion (3,241 posts)
7. So what does the PPACA
have to do with animals?
You didn't read it before they passed it?
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kestrel91316 (44,569 posts)
48. I lack compassion for daring to charge for my services and attempt to pull in
enough money that I can take home more than minimum wage, on average, for my efforts??
Jesus wept. I'M not the one lacking in compassion here.
OF COURSE I pass on costs to my clients. WTF am I supposed to do? Work for FREE??
Veterinarians are greedy capitalists now????? ****ETY **** ****. I wish I knew your name and location so I could warn every vet in your area to decline to accept you as a client. People with your attitude are troublemakers and make the worst kind of clients.
44.5K posts and you're apparently obtuse as to where you post and what they've been calling for since day one. Just damn. Those jackasses at DU you associate with don't think ANYONE in the medical field should work for a profit.
Sorry, I have no sympathy for you. Your post count is too high. Own it.
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The same cure-all for pets will work for DUmmies......a .22 LR hollow point.
I've heard of or spoken directly with people who have paid thousands of dollars in vet bills for a pet but won't or can't pay there own medical bills. Sounds like the DUmmies want free medical care for their pets now, huh.
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This is why I don't really worry about the rank and file liberals; their stupidity is such that the most damage they will do is to themselves. As conservatives, we're aware they're out there and we're diligent to watch for them so as to not let their stupidity mess up what we need to do. If we aren't watching for them and something happens, we really have to blame oursleves.
Their misunderstanding of this and so many other issues doesn't threaten me because I'm too smart for them, as are all of you. I can always run them over like they don't even exist and keep right on rolling.
The only one's who give me concern are the one's who hold office or some position of influence. And even then, by paying attention you can usually circumvent whatever it was they were trying to do. And quite often many of the kooky ideas they try have to be redacted because it wasn't working the way their utopian idealism said it should.
It's threads like this that make me smile. Nothing like their own stupidity hauling back and smacking them right in the face. Even funnier when they deny or pretend as though the knuckle prints clearly visable across their bright red faces don't exist, as they try to stand up and wipe the blood coming from their mouth.
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I find their lack understanding about the basics of business ........................................ :rofl:
:ownit:
You idiots.
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44.5K posts and you're apparently obtuse as to where you post and what they've been calling for since day one. Just damn. Those jackasses at DU you associate with don't think ANYONE in the medical field should work for a profit.
Sorry, I have no sympathy for you. Your post count is too high. Own it.
As the little spitoonheads get clubbed with consequence, I think we'll see a lot more of this. I can't wait. There was another thread where the (D)Ummyblather was similar. Calling each other hypocrites. Teh funneh!
:popcorn: :popcorn:
EDIT: Oh yeah, the homely Chelsea thread. :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:
Nothing like their own stupidity hauling back and smacking them right in the face. Even funnier when they deny or pretend as though the knuckle prints clearly visable across their bright red faces don't exist, as they try to stand up and wipe the blood coming from their mouth.
Even funnier to watch them do the same thing, five minutes later expecting, bless their widdle hearts, a different outcome.
Own it all, you idiots.
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44.5K posts and you're apparently obtuse as to where you post and what they've been calling for since day one. Just damn. Those jackasses at DU you associate with don't think ANYONE in the medical field should work for a profit.
Wow! DUmmy kestrelnumbers is really, really stupid!
I guess in a few cases veterinarians really are the kids who weren't smart enough for medical school.
They don't all become osteopaths.
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More from stupid_opinion:
well then if the vet said my costs are going up or Papa Johns said my pizza is going to cost more etc than as consumers we could fight that because they have no business passing on direct higher taxes to their customers....
They most certainly do, you idiot!
Too stupid to breathe, let alone be entrusted with caring for an animal.
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humbled_opinion (3,241 posts)
The worse part is that they shamelessly admit that they will pass on the increases to their customers.
Wow, just wow. What the **** else are they supposed to do?
Dummy humbled-opinion, you are too stupid to breathe!
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The problem is they don't think any one should make a profit and everything should magically be free. They don't wonder where the free stuff would come from nor do they care, they just want the free stuff.
This is why they don't understand anything about economics, taxes, working, or just about anything else.
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Hey Dummies? Let me let you in on a little secret. You were told this was going to happen. By us. You were told you can't give deadbeats free/subsidized insurance... in other words money... without taking it from someone else first. That someone else in this case happens to be medical businesses. Know something else dummies? We told you businesses don't pay taxes per se, their customers do.
Know what that big thud sound was, dummies? That was the reality bat striking you upside your thick skulls. I hope it hits you upside your thick skulls long and hard.
Suck it dummies. You were warned, repeatedly. You ignored us, called us ignorant racists, and actively worked to make it happen. Know what? You were successful.
Now you
:ownit:
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Thanks for finding this SGT Snuggle Bunny :cheersmate:.
Now this really cracks me up. In this situation, quite a few DUmmies seem to understand that costs will necessarily be passed on to the consumer. Businesses can't survive when they don't make money. DUH. I didn't see too many DUmmies speaking up for other businesses that said they would have to pass the costs on, or cut hours, etc. They didn't understand that at all.
As far as the Kestrel primitive, I believe she's a vet as much as I believe PC Intern is a dentist.
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The same cure-all for pets will work for DUmmies......a .22 LR hollow point.
I've heard of or spoken directly with people who have paid thousands of dollars in vet bills for a pet but won't or can't pay there own medical bills. Sounds like the DUmmies want free medical care for their pets now, huh.
Single Payer Pet coverage will solve everything. :rotf:
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Sorry, it's not in the budget. Fluffy will have to be satisfied with a pain pill.
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Sorry, it's not in the budget. Fluffy will have to be satisfied with a pain pill. .22 LR Hollow Point
FIFY :whatever: Obviously you are just a tool of big pharma!! :rotf:
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FIFY :whatever: Obviously you are just a tool of big pharma!! :rotf:
Well, you know there are all those unscrupulous veternarians running around doing amputations and whatnot so they can make their next boat payment. :whatever:
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There has to be some kind of government protection to help people that have pets that are going to be robbed by these vets in the name of the Affordable Care Act...
It's called the Constitution of the United States of America, but hardly anybody in government pays any attention to it anymore.
:ownit:
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There has to be some kind of government protection to help people that have pets that are going to be robbed by these vets in the name of the Affordable Care Act...
When I was a kid, we always had dogs. They'd go to the vet for "puppy shots", whatever that was back then, and for rabies shots.
If they got sick, they almost always got well, but I don't remember ever taking a dog to the vet because it was sick.
It never occurred to us that you'd run up a big vet bill.
We loved our pets, but never confused them with people.
(Later, with hunting dogs, it was a different matter altogether.)
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The same cure-all for pets will work for DUmmies......a .22 LR hollow point.
It's better used on the DUmb****s.
BTW, have you been able to find any lately? My LGS has .38 Special in stock, and .30-06 . . . but that's about all that they have that I have launchers for.