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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: franksolich on March 14, 2013, 07:07:34 AM
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022502400
Oh my.
Thanks to Freeper, who first saw this, and to nadin, who's enlightening us.
nadinbrzezinski (117,156 posts) Wed Mar 13, 2013, 06:41 PM
On the new pope...he is a Jesuit
This might come as news to those not familiar with the Catholic Church, and I am not Catholic, but that is good news.* The Jesuits believe in education, in science. They embraced the enlightenment as part of human progress, to the point they were expelled from Nueva España, future Mexico, forty years before independence. These rabble rousers had crazy ideas about self determination you see.
Jesuits see no problem with the secular world.**
In fact, if you know a thing about Liberation Theology...he was also the number two vote getter last time round.
Which tells me the reform wing of the Church won this round.***
And that is a good thing.
Holy Molly, from what tweety just said...a liberation theologian was elected...
*which is a good thing.
** :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:
*** :mental: :mental: :mental: :mental: :mental:
cali (77,797 posts) Wed Mar 13, 2013, 07:12 PM
24. He has NEVER been a believer in Liberation Theology. Gads.
You post so much misleading stuff, it never ceases to amaze me.
SidDithers (25,705 posts) Wed Mar 13, 2013, 07:29 PM
41. +1...
cali (77,797 posts) Wed Mar 13, 2013, 07:11 PM
22. wow. so much wrong with this op.
Jesuits are also known colloquially as God's Marines, God's soldiers and God's storm troopers, both because their founder, St. Ignatius was a soldier and because of their dedication to spreading the faith by any means deemed necessary.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/8424576/New-pope-one-of-Gods-marines
And how about this little item?
Although in the first 30 years of the existence of the Society of Jesus there were many Jesuit conversos (Catholic-convert Jews), an anti-converso faction led to the Decree de genere (1593) which proclaimed that either Jewish or Muslim ancestry, no matter how distant, was an insurmountable impediment for admission to the Society of Jesus. The 16th-century Decree de genere remained in exclusive force until the 20th century, when it was repealed in 1946.
Yes, the Jesuits have a history of being involved in the Sciences, but it's ridiculous to state that they have no problem with the secular world in the context of their absolute devotion to the Pope and considering that they adhere to such things as no use of birth control even to prevent AIDS.
As for liberation theology, Bergoglio rejects it.
Bergoglio is an accomplished theologian who distanced himself from liberation theology early in his career. He is thought to be close to Comunione e Liberazione, a conservative lay movement.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jorge_Bergogli
There are certainly admirable Jesuits- Teilhard de Chardin comes to mind, but Bergogli appears to be quite conservative.
<<<never met a Jesuit didn't like.
MattBaggins (5,447 posts) Wed Mar 13, 2013, 07:12 PM
23. You said it "Liberation Theology"
How long will it be till Rush Limbaugh is calling him Pope Lenin?
cali (77,797 posts) Wed Mar 13, 2013, 07:14 PM
25. One more time: Not a proponent of Liberation Theology
AtheistCrusader (13,214 posts) Wed Mar 13, 2013, 07:15 PM
30. Exactly. Why does this keep getting attributed to him?
nadinbrzezinski (117,156 posts) Wed Mar 13, 2013, 07:15 PM
27. First Rush would need to learn what the hell
We are talking about...should I send Rush a copy of the Sermon on the Mount?
<<<thinks the oblate spheroid has no idea what she's talking about.
zappaman (7,551 posts) Wed Mar 13, 2013, 07:37 PM
50. I'm confused.
Is he or is he not a Jesuit???
OP says so and is a trained historian, yet some here are saying he is not.
Which is it?
caraher (3,410 posts) Wed Mar 13, 2013, 07:45 PM
54. I think the dispute is about whether he adheres to liberation theology
There's no doubt that he's a Jesuit.
zappaman (7,551 posts) Wed Mar 13, 2013, 07:47 PM
57. So this...
"Holy Molly, from what tweety just said...a liberation theologian was elected..." may not be accurate?
And who is Molly?
caraher (3,410 posts) Wed Mar 13, 2013, 07:53 PM
61. Yeah, may not be accurate
And of course, it's really Holly Moly. She gets mistaken for Holy Molly all the time...
Laelth (12,910 posts) Thu Mar 14, 2013, 07:08 AM
85. I remain hopeful that your analysis is correct. Only time will tell.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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That Laelth is an idiot. She posted here a long time ago.
Speaking of Nadin, she was on a thread concerning the soda size fiasco. She was cluck-clucking about how being fit and trim is a matter of public health, and so one's waist size is everybody's legitimate business. She of the 55 inch waist. At least.
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In fact, if you know a thing about Liberation Theology...he was also the number two vote getter last time round.
Pope Francis distanced himself from that a long time ago, Baldydwarf. He's firmly pro-marriage and anti-gay.
Sorry about yer bad luck....
That Laelth is an idiot. She posted here a long time ago.
Speaking of Nadin, she was on a thread concerning the soda size fiasco. She was cluck-clucking about how being fit and trim is a matter of public health, and so one's waist size is everybody's legitimate business. She of the 55 inch waist. At least.
:rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:
She of the 55 inch waist. At least.
Yeah, and counting...
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OMG! Rush will obviously have to cower in the face of Nads' mad Google skills!
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So, the new pope is pro-gun, huh? Hey, what's a MARINE without a weapon, even one of God's MARINES.
OK, so I'm a luke warm Methodist that knows nothing about these things.....Nadin ain't the only one that can spout off about those things of which one knows nothing. :-)
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She of the 55 inch waist. At least.
Beach balls have waists?? :???:
I am not Catholic
But, you slept in a Holiday Inn last night. :-)
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Beach balls have waists?? :???:
But, you slept in a Holiday Inn last night. :-)
Round is a shape... :-)
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Nads is an idiot!!! and I love Zappaman!!
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I've not seen a pic of her....however, in my mind I picture her as the village idiot going around town ringing a bell spewing mis-information.
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Beach balls have waists?? :???:
More of an equator than a waist.
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Beach balls have waists?? :???:
But, you slept in a Holiday Inn last night. :-)
Even weebles and first wookies have belts so they must have waists.
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I've not seen a pic of her....however, in my mind I picture her as the village idiot going around town ringing a bell spewing mis-information.
Someone please help Dori with this. I just can't. Too early in the morning.
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zappaman (7,551 posts) Wed Mar 13, 2013, 07:37 PM
50. I'm confused.
Is he or is he not a Jesuit???
OP says so and is a trained historian, yet some here are saying he is not.
Which is it?
:lmao:
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OP says so and is a trained historian
How do you train a historian?
Would it involve a shock collar?
Do you rub their noses in old dates?
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How do you train a historian?
Would it involve a shock collar?
Do you rub their noses in old dates?
All it takes to train a historian is a computer with internet access. You use Wikipedia and Google as your text books.
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That Laelth is an idiot. She posted here a long time ago.
Speaking of Nadin, she was on a thread concerning the soda size fiasco. She was cluck-clucking about how being fit and trim is a matter of public health, and so one's waist size is everybody's legitimate business. She of the 55 inch waist. At least.
She's got a body shape that reminds me of Danny Devito playing the Penguin, a bowling ball, or Baloo from Jungle Book.
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I've not seen a pic of her
(http://math2033.uark.edu/wiki/images/1/15/Oblate_spheroid2.JPG)
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(http://math2033.uark.edu/wiki/images/1/15/Oblate_spheroid2.JPG)
:rotf:
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I've not seen a pic of her
The crazy bald dwarf with her Trained Historian Certificate:
(http://i883.photobucket.com/albums/ac32/gobucksnumbers/nutcaseaward2.jpg)
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How do you train a historian?
Would it involve a shock collar?
Do you rub their noses in old dates?
Hopefully, it'd involve a cage, bullwhip, and a chair. :fuelfire:
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Wineslob, :rofl: :rotf:
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How do you train a historian?
Would it involve a shock collar?
Do you rub their noses in old dates?
Can some correct me on some obvious miss information I was taught a long time ago.
I was taught that the Jesuits were loyal to only the church, they did not swear loyalty to the Pope or anyone in the Church, only the Church itself. Wasn't Jerry Brown a trained Jesuits ????
All the miss conceptions other then Catholics have about the faith, not to mention life long Catholics that have little idea what is the history or reasoning behind their faith.
For the young Catholics that were born 30 years after the Change in the Church, a shame that for them few seldom if ever get to see the Mass as it was held for a couple thousand years, the Latin Service.
So different from today, Services said in Latin with all the mystery's of the incense and the Priest with his back to the congregation doing all the things to turn wine and bread into the blood and flesh of Jesus.
It was an experience to see the Latin Service, so strange the chanting and the Priest saying something in Latin and the congregation answering in Latin. As a child I was wide eyed and fascinated. With the Change in the service, gone was the mystery and desire to return time after time.
I would love to see this new Pope bring back the Latin service as it was done before. Say on a Friday night , after confession so the young children and their parents can experience the mystery and then attend the New Age Catholic service on Sunday. Not to mention all new Priests become fluent in Latin as it was in the past.
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I've not seen a pic of her....
<<has a whole array of photographs of the oblate spheroid, in addition to photographs of hundreds of other primitives.
<<didn't steal them; the primitives posted them themselves.
<<all photographs always available as a public service for the Good of Humanity.
All one has to do is ask <<.
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The crazy bald dwarf with her Trained Historian Certificate:
Thanks :-)
she could be a town crier - "Hear ye, hear ye"
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Beach balls have waists?? :???:
But, you slept in a Holiday Inn last night. :-)
Yep they also call them equators.
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nadinbrzezinski (117,156 posts) Wed Mar 13, 2013, 06:41 PM
On the new pope...he is a Jesuit
This might come as news to those not familiar with the Catholic Church, and I am not Catholic, but that is good news.* The Jesuits believe in education, in science. They embraced the enlightenment as part of human progress, to the point they were expelled from Nueva España, future Mexico, forty years before independence. These rabble rousers had crazy ideas about self determination you see.
Jesuits see no problem with the secular world.**
In fact, if you know a thing about Liberation Theology...he was also the number two vote getter last time round.
Which tells me the reform wing of the Church won this round.***
And that is a good thing.
Holy Molly, from what tweety just said...a liberation theologian was elected...
BREAKING NEWS from the Fictional Spirit-guide News Network
A new pope has been elected. Regardless of his order, if he is a Bible-believing Catholic it is bad news for progressives.
In other news, pretend reporter attempts to impress with her knowledge and fails yet again.
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Of course no one knows where El Guapo gets the idea that Pope Francis the 1st is anything like she mentioned but since Rush was mentioned I can say that Rush said today that the new Pope is not some crazy left leaning idealog . This new Pope is considered to be equal in conservatism of the founding fathers of the United States. So whatever so called thoughts of changing with the values of the Church it may have ,it's not going to happen. It must suck raw eggs to be wrong like that,eh Gnads?
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Of course no one knows where El Guapo gets the idea that Pope Francis the 1st is anything like she mentioned but since Rush was mentioned I can say that Rush said today that the new Pope is not some crazy left leaning idealog . This new Pope is considered to be equal in conservatism of the founding fathers of the United States. So whatever so called thoughts of changing with the values of the Church it may have ,it's not going to happen. It must suck raw eggs to be wrong like that,eh Gnads?
Rush also said "if you don't like the teachings of the Church then leave it".
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Rush also said "if you don't like the teachings of the Church then leave it".
:clap:
I suspect the only time She ever saw the Pope or thought she did was during a Monty Python episode.
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That Laelth is an idiot. She posted here a long time ago.
Hello, Karin. Nice to see you, too. :cheersmate:
btw, I am a he and not a she, and I still peruse this site from time to time. Hope you are well.
-Laelth
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Hello, Karin. Nice to see you, too. :cheersmate:
btw, I am a he and not a she, and I still peruse this site from time to time. Hope you are well.
-Laelth
Karin was only wrong on your gender and with most DUmbasses even that is never a certainty.
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Nads is at it again. Cherry picking information found on the internet. Sometimes Google is not your friend. :rotf:
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Karin was only wrong on your gender and with most DUmbasses even that is never a certainty.
LOL. Hello, Carl. Nice to see you too. :cheersmate:
-Laelth