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Title: What did Rand Paul accomplish last night?
Post by: BlueStateSaint on March 07, 2013, 01:38:38 PM
The Washington Examiner thinks he accomplished a lot. :cheersmate:

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What did Rand Paul accomplish last night?

March 7, 2013 | 9:29 am
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On the most practical level, Sen. Rand Paul’s 13-hour filibuster from Wednesday morning til after midnight accomplished this: delaying for a day the vote on President Obama’s nominee to head the CIA, John Brennan. Soon enough, Paul ceded repeatedly, Brennan will win confirmation.
 
So, did Paul accomplish anything besides “blowing up Twitter,” as his cohort Ted Cruz put it? He certainly did. How much he accomplished will be determined, but here are some places to look:

 â€¢He got the major media talking, for almost the first time, about the government’s ability to kill U.S. citizens, without trial, even when they’re not posing an imminent threat, on U.S. soil. Also, more broadly, about our government using drones to execute people that maybe we should be trying to capture and try.

 â€¢He got many Republicans to express objections to extrajudicial drone killings. Republicans, as a party, haven’t been very worried about U.S. overreaches in the “Global War on Terror.” Paul was something of a loner on this front when he was running in 2010. But Paul’s filibuster captured the attention of the media, and the heart of conservatives and libertarians around the country.

Twitter provided such instant feedback, that it was pretty easy for Republican politicians to see there is a real demand for these sorts of civil liberties concerns on the Right. It may even be that some conservatives who rushed to “Stand to Rand” were really coming out of the closet, emboldened by Paul. Probably, most politicians coming to Paul’s side were being opportunistic. Certainly many conservatives in the Twitterverse and Blogosphere were motivated a bit by partisanship — knocking Obama’s hypocrisy on due process and civil liberties.

The rest is at:  http://washingtonexaminer.com/article/2523535?slideout=1

IOW, he accomplished a whole lot with this. :-)
Title: Re: What did Rand Paul accomplish last night?
Post by: Karin on March 07, 2013, 02:07:08 PM
A Twitchy comment:

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Maxx • 5 hours ago
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150,000 following one man.

One man following the Constitution.

This guy is the real deal.

I'm still reading through the reaction.  I will say I disagree with Freeper's cynicism.  Someone pushed the hell back on Obama, and stood up to him.  "You cannot do this, you are not judge, jury and executioner."

Title: Re: What did Rand Paul accomplish last night?
Post by: DefiantSix on March 07, 2013, 02:23:41 PM
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•He got the major media talking, for almost the first time, about the government’s ability to kill U.S. citizens, without trial, even when they’re not posing an imminent threat, on U.S. soil. Also, more broadly, about our government using drones to execute people that maybe we should be trying to capture and try.

Oh really? (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/03/07/how-did-the-mainstream-media-cover-rand-pauls-historic-filibuster/)

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Which major media outlet(s) are talking about the Senator's grand standing again?  :thatsright:

Title: Re: What did Rand Paul accomplish last night?
Post by: Freeper on March 07, 2013, 02:31:11 PM
A Twitchy comment:

I'm still reading through the reaction.  I will say I disagree with Freeper's cynicism.  Someone pushed the hell back on Obama, and stood up to him.  "You cannot do this, you are not judge, jury and executioner."

Yeah I'm cynical because I don't like that the hero of the day will vote for whoever 0bama picks.

If I hired someone to cut my lawn and they did a great job on half the lawn but didn't touch the other half I wouldn't recommend him to all my friends.
Title: Re: What did Rand Paul accomplish last night?
Post by: Freeper on March 07, 2013, 02:34:31 PM
Oh really? (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/03/07/how-did-the-mainstream-media-cover-rand-pauls-historic-filibuster/)

(http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Screen-Shot-2013-03-07-at-8.45.46-AM-620x551.png)

(http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Screen-Shot-2013-03-07-at-8.45.18-AM-620x541.png)

(http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Screen-Shot-2013-03-07-at-8.44.32-AM-620x556.png)

(http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Screen-Shot-2013-03-07-at-8.44.15-AM-620x474.png)

(http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Screen-Shot-2013-03-07-at-8.44.57-AM-620x549.png)

Which major media outlet(s) are talking about the Senator's grand standing again?  :thatsright:

You damn cynic.
Title: Re: What did Rand Paul accomplish last night?
Post by: Karin on March 07, 2013, 02:46:56 PM
Do you know for a fact that he's going to vote for him?
Title: Re: What did Rand Paul accomplish last night?
Post by: Freeper on March 07, 2013, 02:55:32 PM
Do you know for a fact that he's going to vote for him?

I can't say 100% that he will but he did tell Glenn Beck that once he gets the answers that he will.
Title: Re: What did Rand Paul accomplish last night?
Post by: DefiantSix on March 07, 2013, 02:56:33 PM
You damn cynic.

Yes.  Yes I am.
Title: Re: What did Rand Paul accomplish last night?
Post by: Freeper on March 07, 2013, 02:58:10 PM
Yes.  Yes I am.

You, Eupher and myself are the only 3 cynics here. lol
Title: Re: What did Rand Paul accomplish last night?
Post by: Eupher on March 07, 2013, 03:29:22 PM
You, Eupher and myself are the only 3 cynics here. lol

thank God somebody is here who sees the idiocy of the Senators who are circle-jerking each other off, on the taxpayer's dime.

One thing is for sure -- Dr. Nutz Jr. rambled on for almost 13 hours without so much as a bathroom break -- which proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that the more he talks, the more he's full of shit.
Title: Re: What did Rand Paul accomplish last night?
Post by: Freeper on March 07, 2013, 03:33:24 PM
The Senate confirmed Brennan. I haven't seen the vote talley yet but am willing to bet senator Paul voted yes.
Title: Re: What did Rand Paul accomplish last night?
Post by: Chris_ on March 07, 2013, 03:47:23 PM
63-34

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323628804578346333053356560.html
Title: Re: What did Rand Paul accomplish last night?
Post by: Dori on March 07, 2013, 04:08:23 PM
63-34

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323628804578346333053356560.html

Who voted against him?
Title: Re: What did Rand Paul accomplish last night?
Post by: Chris_ on March 07, 2013, 04:09:21 PM
I couldn't find a roll call, only a headline.
Title: Re: What did Rand Paul accomplish last night?
Post by: Freeper on March 07, 2013, 04:26:54 PM
Who voted against him?

Maybe Cruz, Rubio, Tim Scott, Mike Lee.

Title: Re: What did Rand Paul accomplish last night?
Post by: Freeper on March 07, 2013, 04:39:28 PM
I have been thinking and maybe I was wrong.
Yeah we still get stuck with Brennan, and Rand more than likely helped him get there, but we got something very important. We got a piece of paper where Holder said, NO. I am satisfied now knowing that as long as we have that piece of paper that 0bama would never dare violate it. You know like the Constitution that he never violates. So yeah we won big and I am so happy!

 :banghead:

Title: Re: What did Rand Paul accomplish last night?
Post by: Dori on March 07, 2013, 06:06:06 PM
I couldn't find a roll call, only a headline.

Fourteen Repubs voted for Brennan.  So far I've found three who voted for him.  Rubio, Graham and McCain.  Rand Paul did not.

Title: Re: What did Rand Paul accomplish last night?
Post by: Freeper on March 07, 2013, 07:08:51 PM
Fourteen Repubs voted for Brennan.  So far I've found three who voted for him.  Rubio, Graham and McCain.  Rand Paul did not.

Seriously Rubio voted for him?

Okay if Rand voted nay then I feel a little better about him. I still have my concerns but at least he did right this time. Now Rubio is on my shit list.
Title: Re: What did Rand Paul accomplish last night?
Post by: Dori on March 07, 2013, 07:22:47 PM
Seriously Rubio voted for him?

Okay if Rand voted nay then I feel a little better about him. I still have my concerns but at least he did right this time. Now Rubio is on my shit list.

Took me forever to find the list;
 
NAYs ---34

Ayotte (R-NH)
Barrasso (R-WY)
Blunt (R-MO)
Boozman (R-AR)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Cochran (R-MS)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Crapo (R-ID)
Cruz (R-TX)
Enzi (R-WY)
Fischer (R-NE)
Grassley (R-IA)
Heller (R-NV)
Hoeven (R-ND)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Isakson (R-GA)
Johanns (R-NE)
Johnson (R-WI)
Leahy (D-VT)
Lee (R-UT)
McConnell (R-KY)
Merkley (D-OR)
Moran (R-KS)
Paul (R-KY)
Portman (R-OH)
Risch (R-ID)
Roberts (R-KS)
Sanders (I-VT)
Scott (R-SC)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Thune (R-SD)
Toomey (R-PA)
Wicker (R-MS)

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=113&session=1&vote=00032
Title: Re: What did Rand Paul accomplish last night?
Post by: Freeper on March 07, 2013, 07:27:17 PM
Took me forever to find the list;
 
NAYs ---34

Ayotte (R-NH)
Barrasso (R-WY)
Blunt (R-MO)
Boozman (R-AR)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Cochran (R-MS)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Crapo (R-ID)
Cruz (R-TX)
Enzi (R-WY)
Fischer (R-NE)
Grassley (R-IA)
Heller (R-NV)
Hoeven (R-ND)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Isakson (R-GA)
Johanns (R-NE)
Johnson (R-WI)
Leahy (D-VT)
Lee (R-UT)
McConnell (R-KY)
Merkley (D-OR)
Moran (R-KS)
Paul (R-KY)
Portman (R-OH)
Risch (R-ID)
Roberts (R-KS)
Sanders (I-VT)
Scott (R-SC)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Thune (R-SD)
Toomey (R-PA)
Wicker (R-MS)

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=113&session=1&vote=00032

I keep hoping that Rubio was a misprint or something. Why is it every repuke that I like lets me down at some point?
Title: Re: What did Rand Paul accomplish last night?
Post by: IassaFTots on March 07, 2013, 07:32:30 PM
I keep hoping that Rubio was a misprint or something. Why is it every repuke that I like lets me down at some point?

Aside from the fact that I am all "woot woot" about my home states Senators.....did anyone see that there is a Senator from Idaho with the last name Crapo?  I just don't know what to say.
Title: Re: What did Rand Paul accomplish last night?
Post by: Chris_ on March 07, 2013, 07:33:55 PM
Leahy? 
Title: Re: What did Rand Paul accomplish last night?
Post by: Freeper on March 07, 2013, 07:34:31 PM
Here is a list of the repukes who voted yes.

Burr (R-NC)
Coats (R-IN)
Coburn (R-OK)
Collins (R-ME)
Corker (R-TN)
Graham (R-SC)
Hatch (R-UT)
Kirk (R-IL)
McCain (R-AZ)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Rubio (R-FL)  :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

Of that list the only surprise to me is Rubio.
Everyone else is the usual RINO suspects and a couple of names I'm not familiar with.

This sucks I voted for Rubio and he does this, I voted for Rick Scott and he ends up embracing 0bamacare, and earlier this year Steve Sutherland voted for Boner for Speaker.
Title: Re: What did Rand Paul accomplish last night?
Post by: Freeper on March 07, 2013, 07:35:42 PM
Aside from the fact that I am all "woot woot" about my home states Senators.....did anyone see that there is a Senator from Idaho with the last name Crapo?  I just don't know what to say.

It's pronounced Lynard Skynard errr I mean Crape OH.

Title: Re: What did Rand Paul accomplish last night?
Post by: Freeper on March 07, 2013, 07:36:48 PM
Leahy? 

Yeah pretty sad that a moonbat votes NO and the man who is supposed to be the next Ronald Reagan voted yes.
Title: Re: What did Rand Paul accomplish last night?
Post by: DefiantSix on March 07, 2013, 07:37:14 PM
Aside from the fact that I am all "woot woot" about my home states Senators.....did anyone see that there is a Senator from Idaho with the last name Crapo?  I just don't know what to say.

He's been a quiet bastion of as conservative as their Lordships in the Senate get for years now.  Having a little trouble back home with a DUI, but otherwise pretty good
Title: Re: What did Rand Paul accomplish last night?
Post by: Dori on March 07, 2013, 07:41:48 PM
I keep hoping that Rubio was a misprint or something. Why is it every repuke that I like lets me down at some point?

I guess they get pulled into a lot of different directions.  I just hope he doesn't get influenced by the likes of McCain and Graham.  Obama just voted present on difficult decisions when he was in the State Senate and as a US Senator. 
Title: Re: What did Rand Paul accomplish last night?
Post by: Freeper on March 07, 2013, 07:44:57 PM
I guess they get pulled into a lot of different directions.  I just hope he doesn't get influenced by the likes of McCain and Graham.  Obama just voted present on difficult decisions when he was in the State Senate and as a US Senator.

Well it does worry me a bit that they choose Rubio to rebut the state of the union.
Title: Re: What did Rand Paul accomplish last night?
Post by: Dori on March 07, 2013, 08:09:56 PM
Well it does worry me a bit that they choose Rubio to rebut the state of the union.

Rubio's pretty young and has only been in the Senate a couple of years.  But I would hate to see him go down the go-along to get-along road like the good 'ol boys. 

Title: Re: What did Rand Paul accomplish last night?
Post by: J P Sousa on March 07, 2013, 08:12:06 PM
Well it does worry me a bit that they choose Rubio to rebut the state of the union.

At least Rubio isn't as bad as Charlie Crist would have been.  :-)
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Title: Re: What did Rand Paul accomplish last night?
Post by: Freeper on March 07, 2013, 08:39:51 PM
At least Rubio isn't as bad as Charlie Crist would have been.  :-)
.

Cute.  :-)
Title: Re: What did Rand Paul accomplish last night?
Post by: IassaFTots on March 07, 2013, 09:17:13 PM
Well it does worry me a bit that they choose Rubio to rebut the state of the union.

A few years ago they picked Jindal....
Title: Re: What did Rand Paul accomplish last night?
Post by: IassaFTots on March 07, 2013, 09:19:10 PM
Here is a list of the repukes who voted yes.

Burr (R-NC)
Coats (R-IN)
Coburn (R-OK)
Collins (R-ME)
Corker (R-TN)
Graham (R-SC)
Hatch (R-UT)
Kirk (R-IL)
McCain (R-AZ)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Rubio (R-FL)  :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

Of that list the only surprise to me is Rubio.
Everyone else is the usual RINO suspects and a couple of names I'm not familiar with.

This sucks I voted for Rubio and he does this, I voted for Rick Scott and he ends up embracing 0bamacare, and earlier this year Steve Sutherland voted for Boner for Speaker.

Maybe you need to stop voting?

 ETA:   :-*

I am just joshing you Freep.  I love ya. 
Title: Re: What did Rand Paul accomplish last night?
Post by: Freeper on March 08, 2013, 06:58:00 AM
Maybe you need to stop voting?

 ETA:   :-*

I am just joshing you Freep.  I love ya.

lol maybe I do.

Even though I'm grumpy I still love you back.
Title: Re: What did Rand Paul accomplish last night?
Post by: IassaFTots on March 08, 2013, 08:26:58 AM
lol maybe I do.

Even though I'm grumpy I still love you back.

It's all good. 

H5. 
Title: Re: What did Rand Paul accomplish last night?
Post by: pissant on March 08, 2013, 09:23:28 PM
While I applaud the man for his filibuster and highlighting a question that needed answering, if he keeps pushing amnesty and sounding like Rubio's twin sister, he can go screw himself.
Title: Re: What did Rand Paul accomplish last night?
Post by: rich_t on March 09, 2013, 07:40:27 AM
You, Eupher and myself are the only 3 cynics here. lol

Naw... You're just 100 percenters.

 :cheersmate:
Title: Re: What did Rand Paul accomplish last night?
Post by: Eupher on March 09, 2013, 03:56:39 PM
Naw... You're just 100 percenters.

 :cheersmate:

yeah.  100% of nothing is still nothing.

 :-)
Title: Re: What did Rand Paul accomplish last night?
Post by: rich_t on March 09, 2013, 04:58:28 PM
yeah.  100% of nothing is still nothing.

 :-)

So true!

 :rotf: