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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: franksolich on March 01, 2013, 04:01:07 PM
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022447025
Oh my.
nadinbrzezinski (116,782 posts) Fri Mar 1, 2013, 04:21 PM
Why we are in such trouble...
Labor's story, still untold and largely missing from textobook and conventional history, is more than an account of strikes, spies and frame ups, of organizing and building unions, of men and women fighting and dying for better lives in a better America...fundamentally, labor's story is the story of the American people.
Labor's Untold Story: The Adventure Story of the Battles, Betrayals and Victories of American Working Men and Women. (UE: New York, 1970)
If anything...there is now an active denial that this history ever happened. And when even members of organized labor are giving up on the victories of the past (five day work week) you know we are at an end game. And yes, labor is even giving up that now, for small sections of workers...before long, at the pace we are going, there will be maximum wage laws and no OSHA.
patrice (46,163 posts) Fri Mar 1, 2013, 04:27 PM
1. Right-to-work + At-will employment = Divide and conquer until there is an authentic alternative.
nadinbrzezinski (116,782 posts) Fri Mar 1, 2013, 04:29 PM
3. First things first, people need to know there was another way
Gone back to research on the history of labor. That caught my attention. Also personal matters have convinced me that the current leadership has zero institutional knowledge and worst case...the movement will have to die...and the battles re fought.
Hmmm.
One wonders what these "personal matters" might be?
LiberalLoner (4,961 posts) Fri Mar 1, 2013, 04:29 PM
2. Yes and they will feed us enough to starve
Slowly instead of rapidly and we will be told to be grateful for that.
nadinbrzezinski (116,782 posts) Fri Mar 1, 2013, 04:30 PM
4. Yup
patrice (46,163 posts) Fri Mar 1, 2013, 04:51 PM
5. One of the most effective traits of brainwashing is intermittent reward; it keeps those chickens just pecking and pecking and pecking, because . . . well, we're all gonna make it big, don't you know.
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Also personal matters have convinced me that the current leadership has zero institutional knowledge and worst case...the movement will have to die...and the battles re fought.
I have no idea what the nutcase is trying to say.
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LiberalLoner (4,961 posts) Fri Mar 1, 2013, 04:29 PM
2. Yes and they will feed us enough to starve
Slowly instead of rapidly and we will be told to be grateful for that.
patrice (46,163 posts) Fri Mar 1, 2013, 04:51 PM
5. One of the most effective traits of brainwashing is intermittent reward; it keeps those chickens just pecking and pecking and pecking, because . . . well, we're all gonna make it big, don't you know.
Hitler, Stalin, Kim Il Jung......others?
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Labor's story, still untold and largely missing from textobook and conventional history, is more than an account of strikes, spies and frame ups, of organizing and building unions,
True, there is hardly a word mentioned about its murders, intimidation, arson, extortion, association with the Mafia, organized vandalism, tire slashings...
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If unions really cared about American workers they would be spending their time and money pushing for higher wages and more environmental and workplace safety laws.
In the countries that can provide cheap goods because they don't have unions and governments that are anti-business like we do.
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I have no idea what the nutcase is trying to say.
You're not alone - she doesn't have any idea either...
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If unions really cared about American workers they would be spending their time and money pushing for higher wages and more environmental and workplace safety laws.
In the countries that can provide cheap goods because they don't have unions and governments that are anti-business like we do.
I could respect liberal organizations that were willing to do that. It would be something to see the chairman of the UAW meeting with the Chinese premier and argue for better benefits for Chinese autoworkers. Then maybe the president of NOW could call Saudi Arabia to task for it's treatment of women.
They won't.
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I could respect liberal organizations that were willing to do that. It would be something to see the chairman of the UAW meeting with the Chinese premier and argue for better benefits for Chinese autoworkers.
That could be another case for Geraldo Rivera to investigate.
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The biggest problem with labor unions is they are these giant, multi-national corporations who take money from the working class and redistribute it to the political class.
Workers just traded an old boss who may have been good, bad or indifferent for two horrible bosses, the labor bosses and the Democrats in Congress.
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I've always lived in a right-to-work state when employed. I never had a problem finding a job, was never fired (because I actually worked) and didn't starve.
I've seen too many examples of unions screwing up the works for employer and employees. They promise anything to get in, then fatten the union bosses wallets. DUmmies would rather see their union overlords become rich for doing nothing than to have a real employer make a profit.