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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Vagabond on February 19, 2013, 09:42:28 PM
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Tue Feb 19, 2013, 08:11 PM
quinnox (14,869 posts)
I don't feel proud of our behemoth military might
Sorry, I must be a bad American. I don't feel a surge of pride when I see our big bad aircraft carriers sailing manfully around or our sleek attack jets or helicopters raining destruction down on the "evil-doers". I once was like that, an English guy was visiting and I said that we (the United States) can kick any countries ass if we want to, and that is one reason my country was so great. I was in my early 20s, young and dumb. Now I have changed and I see it totally differently.
I see our gigantic, ridiculous military power as an embarrassment, not a strength. All that money was wasted and could have gone to much better things and areas, oh say like, human welfare or social areas or scientific research or medical research or energy technology research etc etc etc. Yet it never stops, the military machine marches on, what a kick-ass country we live in!
You owe those men and women a "thank you" for every breath of air you are able to breathe. You owe them and others a "thank you" for every crum of wealth that has ever fallen to you. Without them, you are a useful idiot, a poor useful idiot, and were put up against the wall years ago. The Communists weren't kidding when they said they wanted to rule the world and they had nothing against getting huge numbers of their own people to achieve it.
Response to quinnox (Original post)
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 08:17 PM
kairos12 (405 posts)
2. Most people would be surprised to know the defense budget has essentially doubled since 2001.
Funny how fighting in two major campaigns does that isn't it. In the meantime, what did you contribute to society?
Response to quinnox (Original post)
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 08:17 PM
Ilsa (31,073 posts)
3. Like it or not,
We belong to what is sometimes seen a a "bully club."
It could be worse. I saw an email petition from Donald Trump wanting us to take and pillage from any country we invade. The idea originally was to recover our cost of war with Iraq's oil. But why wouldn't this also mean, "enslave their children," or "rape their women"?
Most of the ones that call us bullies are the same ones that would push around their neighbors if we weren't around. Being called a bully by Chavez or Castro is something to be proud of.
Response to quinnox (Original post)
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 08:17 PM
REP (17,880 posts)
4. I live near an Air Force base; I feel intense annoyance as they fly over with afterburners on
But no, the machinery of war gets a big "meh" from me, yet I do feel something like gratitude? maybe for all the young people who volunteer, for whatever reason - money for school, lack of jobs, patriotism - to be cannon fodder. I just wish the old men playing "Army" wouldn't throw away those lives so casually, oftentimes under flimsy pretenses to try out their new toys.
Those "old men" were LTs in Vietnam and Grenada, and Captains and Majors in the Gulf War. I guarantee you that sending young men into harm's way is something that bothers these "old men" every single time they do it. Unless you mean old men like Barrak "I did blow instead of go" Obama.
Response to quinnox (Original post)
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 08:22 PM
Arugula Latte (38,982 posts)
6. And yet even here on DU many people will jump down your throat if you dare question
the tremendous WASTE of money and lives that is the U.S. military and the U.S. military-industrial complex.
When was the last time the U.S. military was used for good? World War II is the obvious answer, and there might have been a few good limited actions here and there, but since 1945 it has primarily been used for ill.
The whole thing sickens me to my core.
It's only because you see the US as evil. Every action taken since 1945 has been a reaction to either communism or barbarians.
Response to quinnox (Original post)
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 08:23 PM
Warpy (67,117 posts)
7. I think "there goes my health insurance, my stolen wages"
We're all being robbed to support an imperial military that benefits only the rich, and the rich have abdicated their responsibility for supporting it and thrown it all onto our shoulders.
Stolen? At least the government has an explicit responsibility to defend against foreign enemies. You want it to be spent buying things for you that you should be able to handle on your own.
Response to quinnox (Original post)
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 10:06 PM
jeff47 (6,506 posts)
11. Just wanted to point out
scientific research or medical research or energy technology research
DoD is one of the only entities in the US that will do basic research on these subjects.
The glory days of Bell Labs are long gone, and we won't pay NASA or NIH to do the research. So we pay the DoD to do it.
Sure, having other entities do the research would be better, and not include the overhead of things like aircraft carriers. But lots of DoD-funded research ends up being very helpful on those subjects. Like this whole "Internet" thing the DoD invented.
Unfortunately, when people talk about DoD cuts, they rarely have much of an effect on the "operational" side of the DoD. And nobody's willing to add the DoD cuts to other agencies.
Cut a couple carriers, and send 25% of the money to DARPA.
It would be better to end things like Headstart (proven dubious spending).
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I must be a bad American.
That's about the only smart thing you said in your whole rambling blather.
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Response to quinnox (Original post)
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 08:17 PM
Ilsa (31,073 posts)
3. Like it or not,
We belong to what is sometimes seen a a "bully club."
Well, then, welcome to the iggy list.
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I guess I am a bad american (to you dummies) because I got chill bumps watching the bad ass mother****ers in Act of Valor do things to protect our freedoms while you shit bags sit around munch on Cheetos and "Internet Warrior" all ****ing day in your moms basement. You couldn't even do the things they do in a video game, you sad ****ers.
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Tue Feb 19, 2013, 08:11 PM
quinnox (14,869 posts)
I don't feel proud of our behemoth military might
How would you feel if 0bama had a private military force busting heads and forcing Americans to pay for your free crap? That would fill you with pride, wouldn't it?
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DUmmies ignore the fact that our large and spread out military force is also usually the first to arrive to render aid to friends and foes alike in the event of a natural disaster.
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Response to quinnox (Original post)
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 08:23 PM
Warpy (67,117 posts)
7. I think "there goes my health insurance, my stolen wages"
We're all being robbed to support an imperial military that benefits only the rich, and the rich have abdicated their responsibility for supporting it and thrown it all onto our shoulders.
Of course, middle class people in the military and those who work for companies that you consider part of "the military industrial complex" kinda like having THEIR wages and health insurance, so there's that. But hey, I'm sure you're much more important than they are. God forbid you should be responsible for your own wages and health insurance. Unless you can take something from someone else your wages have been "stolen". Got it you selfish piece of shit.
Cindie
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Response to quinnox (Original post)
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 08:23 PM
Warpy (67,117 posts)
7. I think "there goes my health insurance, my stolen wages"
We're all being robbed to support an imperial military that benefits only the rich, and the rich have abdicated their responsibility for supporting it and thrown it all onto our shoulders.
DoD accounts for 4% of the GDP. Or 18% of the yearly Federal budget.
Entitlements (welfare) is 15-16% of the GDP and over 50% of the yearly Federal budget.
Now...exactly WHO is getting robbed?
GFYS with a wire brush you lazy spoiled assclown.
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Maybe it's because I've been up since 2:30 this morning, but my patience is wearing thin with you anti-American DU DUmbasses. If you don't like the US, if you're ashamed of the US, if you wish the US was like some other place then just shut the f*ck up and just leave. There are flights leaving every day.
Here are some links for you:
Orbitz (http://orbitz.com)
travelocity (http://travelocity.com)
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Maybe it's because I've been up since 2:30 this morning, but my patience is wearing thin with you anti-American DU DUmbasses. If you don't like the US, if you're ashamed of the US, if you wish the US was like some other place then just shut the f*ck up and just leave. There are flights leaving every day.
Here are some links for you:
Orbitz (http://orbitz.com)
travelocity (http://travelocity.com)
It's not lack of sleep that's got you feeling your patience wear thin with these idiots.
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That's about the only smart thing you said in your whole rambling blather.
It was pretty much this mentality that led some into giving nuclear secrets to the Soviets. "It's not fair that the US is too powerful. It's dangerous for one country to possess this technology." Luckily, none of the DUmmies are in a position to do us harm.
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It's not lack of sleep that's got you feeling your patience wear thin with these idiots.
Sometimes I feel like replying to everyone of their posts with "bite my ass". Then I remember that it is DU so (1) that is too complex of a statement for them to understand and (2) they probably enjoy ass biting.
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I love their entire school of thought that if we just cut here we can spend it there.
No morons.
The money never would or should have been raised and appropriated.
There is a reason why you live a free life, and that is because we are a superior superpower. Why do you think China is spending so much money (and arguably bankrupting their country in the process) trying to catch up to us?
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Fellow RWers,
Name a liberal you would accept the moral burden of killing another human being so as to protect the liberal.
Name a liberal you would send your child to die for.
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It was pretty much this mentality that led some into giving nuclear secrets to the Soviets. "It's not fair that the US is too powerful. It's dangerous for one country to possess this technology." Luckily, none of the DUmmies are in a position to do us harm.
Do we know that to be true? :???:
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Fellow RWers,
Name a liberal you would accept the moral burden of killing another human being so as to protect the liberal.
Already there.
Name a liberal you would send your child to die for.
As much as we'd like to Snugs we can't pick and choose. If we defend one person we gotta defend them all.
And you and I both know it's not a favor that ANY lLiberal and certainly not anyone at the DUmp would return for us.
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As much as we'd like to Snugs we can't pick and choose. If we defend one person we gotta defend them all.
And you and I both know it's not a favor that ANY lLiberal and certainly not anyone at the DUmp would return for us.
Just finished watching "Battlestar Galactica: Blood and Chrome."
There was a line near the end of the show liberals need to take heed to.
This liberal professor was captured by the Cylons, after trying to download the locations of all the Battlester groups into the Cylon communication network.
The Cylon told the prof, right before it killed her:
"Just because you are more enlightened than others of your species doesn't mean we hate you any less."
Translate that from Cylon to islamofacists, communists, despots, assholes, DUmmies, etc. Anyone of them would say it to your face, before they ripped your face off.
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The military is a waste ??????????????/.....I'll tell you what is a waste, foodstamps, welfare, section 8 housing, government housing, free medical care to non-citizens, free medical care to the leeches,, free this and free that free that weakens our society in every way.
In other words, DUmmies are a waste.
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The military is a waste ??????????????/.....I'll tell you what is a waste, foodstamps, welfare, section 8 housing, government housing, free medical care to non-citizens, free medical care to the leeches,, free this and free that free that weakens our society in every way.
In other words, DUmmies are a waste.
You're preaching to the choir here, JR.
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You're preaching to the choir here, JR.
Well then, lets all sing "Shall we gather by the river and drown DUmmies".
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Tue Feb 19, 2013, 08:11 PM
quinnox (14,869 posts)
I don't feel proud of our behemoth military might
Sorry, I must be a bad American. I don't feel a surge of pride when I see our big bad aircraft carriers sailing manfully around or our sleek attack jets or helicopters raining destruction down on the "evil-doers". I once was like that, an English guy was visiting and I said that we (the United States) can kick any countries ass if we want to, and that is one reason my country was so great. I was in my early 20s, young and dumb. Now I have changed and I see it totally differently.
I see our gigantic, ridiculous military power as an embarrassment, not a strength. All that money was wasted and could have gone to much better things and areas, oh say like, human welfare or social areas or scientific research or medical research or energy technology research etc etc etc. Yet it never stops, the military machine marches on, what a kick-ass country we live in!
You owe those men and women a "thank you" for every breath of air you are able to breathe. You owe them and others a "thank you" for every crum of wealth that has ever fallen to you. Without them, you are a useful idiot, a poor useful idiot, and were put up against the wall years ago. The Communists weren't kidding when they said they wanted to rule the world and they had nothing against getting huge numbers of their own people to achieve it.
Well, WE don't feel pround having to put up with oxygen-thieving, worthless parasites like you Queernox. If you don't like the Country I love, than LEAVE. and don't let the door hit you on the ass when you go. I don't care that you don't like the military, I don't care that you don't support what they do. You are entitled to your opinion, just as I am entitled to mine. And I say GET THE @#$! OUT OF MY COUNTRY YOU WASTE OF SKIN!!
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I hate these people with every fabric of my being.
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DoD accounts for 4% of the GDP. Or 18% of the yearly Federal budget.
Entitlements (welfare) is 15-16% of the GDP and over 50% of the yearly Federal budget.
Now...exactly WHO is getting robbed?
GFYS with a wire brush you lazy spoiled assclown.
:cheersmate: :cheersmate:
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Well then, lets all sing "Shall we gather by the river and drown DUmmies".
I think I can clear my schedule. Anytime, is good for me.
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Most of the ones that call us bullies are the same ones that would push around their neighbors if we weren't around. Being called a bully by Chavez or Castro is something to be proud of.
I could not agree more.
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Fellow RWers,
Name a liberal you would accept the moral burden of killing another human being so as to protect the liberal.
Name a liberal you would send your child to die for.
All of them. If I go for one, I go for all; my country is greater than any one group.
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I hate these people with every fabric of my being.
So do I.
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It's not lack of sleep that's got you feeling your patience wear thin with these idiots.
Mine's gone.
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Fellow RWers,
Name a liberal you would accept the moral burden of killing another human being so as to protect the liberal.
Well now, that kind of depends on just who is this 'Other human being...'?
:evil:
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I swear everytime I read the DUmmies, I hear them say; "Comandante Chavez you are our hero.........more free cheetos pleeezzzz".
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It's only because you see the US as evil. Every action taken since 1945 has been a reaction to either communism or barbarians.
Pretty much true - and the DUmp is on the side of the communists and barbarians...and especially on the side of those who are both.
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Already there.
As much as we'd like to Snugs we can't pick and choose. If we defend one person we gotta defend them all.
And you and I both know it's not a favor that ANY lLiberal and certainly not anyone at the DUmp would return for us.
Damn right they wouldn't . They would let their own family die first if it would save their ass. They have no compulsion about killing unborn children or for some newborns or the elderly and they call us ghouls.