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babylonsister (142,894 posts)
Obama Rolls Into North Carolina and Challenges Decades of Republican Minimum Wage Myths
http://www.politicususa.com/obama-north-carolina-minimum-wage.html
Obama Rolls Into North Carolina and Challenges Decades of Republican Minimum Wage Myths
By: Jason Easley
Feb. 13th, 2013
President Obama did something significant that could change the lives of millions today. In Asheville, NC, the president linked raising the minimum wage to creating jobs.
The president began by saying the economy is still not where it needs to be. He said it is our job as Americans to restore the basic bargain that says you can get ahead by working hard and meeting your responsibilities. Obama calls the middle class the true engine of our economic growth. The president repeated his three questions related to jobs in his State of the Union. He said, “That’s part of the reason why I said last night that it is time for an increase in the minimum wage.â€
He discussed the role of expanding expanding education from pre-school to college. The president also said, “I believe in manufacturing. I think it makes our country stronger.†Obama talked about the recovery of manufacturing in Asheville.
Obama is challenging decades of Republicans lies and mythology centered around the false belief that raising the minimum wage destroys jobs.
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Most of the mainstream media isn’t getting it, but President Obama has stealthily launched an effort that could boost the economy, and sink the Republicans.
The focus is on the big issues of guns and immigration, but it might be the minimum wage issue that impacts the most lives and determines the outcome of the 2014 election.
http://www.politicususa.com/obama-north-carolina-minimum-wage.html
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251286600
A president who knows nothing about economics tells a bunch of DUmmies who know just as little as he does, and they eat it up.
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251286600
A president who knows nothing about economics tells a bunch of DUmmies who know just as little as he does, and they eat it up.
I don't know. I get the sense that most of the time BroncoBama knows that he's talking out of his ass. He just knows that it doesn't matter because his followers (like the Dump monkeys) are too stupid to know any difference. It also helps when your followers operate with a hive mind that allows for no contradictory and/or independent thought.
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The state of the union seemed to be aimed at low information voters than at senators.
Stupid people love this kind of talk...hence the DUmmies.
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The state of the union seemed to be aimed at low information voters than at senators.
Stupid people love this kind of talk...hence the DUmmies.
Senators and Congress-shits may not be classified as "low information voters", but after watching the rolling cluster**** that was ObamaCoup - where they had to vote on the bill before they could find out what was in the bill - among many, many others, lately, I'll be damned if I know why not... :confused:
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A real economist (& real black man), Dr. Sowell, says that minimum wage laws and prevailing wage laws are black unemployment laws.
A classless opportunist or a noted economic professor? Hmm, which one will I believe.
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A real economist (& real black man), Dr. Sowell, says that minimum wage laws and prevailing wage laws are black unemployment laws.
A classless opportunist or a noted economic professor? Hmm, which one will I believe.
Another very real economist and black man, Walter Williams also states:
Among the white males, the authors find that "each 10 percent increase in a state or federal minimum wage has decreased employment by 2.5 percent; for Hispanic males, the figure is 1.2 percent.
"But among black males in this group, each 10 percent increase in the minimum wage decreased employment by 6.5 percent."
The authors go on to say, "The effect is similar for hours worked: each 10 percent increase reduces hours worked by 3 percent among white males, 1.7 percent for Hispanic males, and 6.6 percent for black males."
http://townhall.com/columnists/walterewilliams/2011/05/11/minimum_wages_discriminatory_effects/page/full/
BTW, Walt Williams is one of my favorite economist's of all times. And is great on the air, although I haven't heard him in years.
Here he is talking about it:
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUBK9_4OQIs[/youtube]
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He discussed the role of expanding expanding education from pre-school to college. The president also said, “I believe in manufacturing. I think it makes our country stronger.â€
Bullshit. No Democrat believes in manufacturing except as a means of pandering to the unions for votes. Every law, regulation and tax they want to pass would do nothing but hurt manufacturing in the US. They have done it for decades on end.
If manufacturing was that important, then Obama might mention vocational and trade schools instead of the myth that everyone is entitled to a college education.
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Bullshit. No Democrat believes in manufacturing except as a means of pandering to the unions for votes. Every law, regulation and tax they want to pass would do nothing but hurt manufacturing in the US. They have done it for decades on end.
If manufacturing was that important, then Obama might mention vocational and trade schools instead of the myth that everyone is entitled to a college education.
I think that the claim that everyone "deserves" a college education is one of the worst things we have done to our young people. My grandmother was Canadian, and around the time of Junior High she had to choose between the vocational and college routes for high school. She chose vocational and received secretarial/receptionist training, and worked various office jobs, including some managerial, until she retired. She was born around 1940. Now, many secretarial jobs require a college education.
Some careers require higher education, no doubt about it. Medical professionals, engineers, lawyers, etc. all require extensive training. A college education really doesn't contribute much for a standard office type job. A lot of skills could be taught in high school to prepare people to begin work after graduation. Plumbing, construction, automotive repair, etc. are all careers where people could start vocational training in lieu of some of their current high school curriculum and receive more of a benefit. Even better, they could receive a more targeted education with academic classes focused on the information they will really need in their careers.
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Bullshit. No Democrat believes in manufacturing except as a means of pandering to the unions for votes. Every law, regulation and tax they want to pass would do nothing but hurt manufacturing in the US. They have done it for decades on end.
If manufacturing was that important, then Obama might mention vocational and trade schools instead of the myth that everyone is entitled to a college education.
The only reason Obama wants a jump in the minimum wage is as an underhanded means of slipping a payoff to his cronies who keep the union thugs at his beck and call. Few of the "low information voters" realize that union scale is tied to the minimum wage: raise the minimum wage, and you automatically increase the rates unions extort from businesses.
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The only reason Obama wants a jump in the minimum wage is as an underhanded means of slipping a payoff to his cronies who keep the union thugs at his beck and call. Few of the "low information voters" realize that union scale is tied to the minimum wage: raise the minimum wage, and you automatically increase the rates unions extort from businesses.
Well union membership is down so if they raise dues, a pay raise will soften the blow.
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I think that the claim that everyone "deserves" a college education is one of the worst things we have done to our young people. My grandmother was Canadian, and around the time of Junior High she had to choose between the vocational and college routes for high school. She chose vocational and received secretarial/receptionist training, and worked various office jobs, including some managerial, until she retired. She was born around 1940. Now, many secretarial jobs require a college education.
Some careers require higher education, no doubt about it. Medical professionals, engineers, lawyers, etc. all require extensive training. A college education really doesn't contribute much for a standard office type job. A lot of skills could be taught in high school to prepare people to begin work after graduation. Plumbing, construction, automotive repair, etc. are all careers where people could start vocational training in lieu of some of their current high school curriculum and receive more of a benefit. Even better, they could receive a more targeted education with academic classes focused on the information they will really need in their careers.
Plumbing, construction, carpentry, automotive repair, electrical work all provide good paying jobs but tend to be looked down upon by the DC elites when it comes to talking about education. Many of those can be learned with OJT provided the person has some basic manual skills.
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Obama talked about the recovery of manufacturing in Asheville.
You mean the one that doesn't exist? I live here, so you're not fooling me. For every job that's been added the last 4 years, like at the manufacturing plant he visited today, I can name you 3 that left and is never coming back.
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He knows he'll never get it past congress; he's just fabricating Look-at-those-evil-Republicans issues.
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Manufacturing jobs in North Carolina? Like the ones Boeing provides? The ones that the Obama Regime fought tooth and nail to prevent being created there?
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Manufacturing jobs in North Carolina? Like the ones Boeing provides? The ones that the Obama Regime fought tooth and nail to prevent being created there?
Wrong Carolina. :whistling:
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Plumbing, construction, carpentry, automotive repair, electrical work all provide good paying jobs but tend to be looked down upon by the DC elites when it comes to talking about education. Many of those can be learned with OJT provided the person has some basic manual skills.....
.......and the desire to actually work their way into the trade.
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.......and the desire to actually work their way into the trade.
And it helps to know someone in the local union.
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251286600
A president who knows nothing about economics tells a bunch of DUmmies who know just as little as he does, and they eat it up.
0bama could crap on a plate while they are watching, tell them that it's steak, and they would east it with shit eating grins on their faces.
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0bama could crap on a plate while they are watching, tell them that it's steak, and they would east it with shit eating grins on their faces.
He would have to tell them it's tofu.
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And it helps to know someone in the local union.
True.
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He knows he'll never get it past congress; he's just fabricating Look-at-those-evil-Republicans issues.
Once again, the bunny has it right. (Why aren't ptarmigans this smart?)
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-02-13/obama-s-minimum-wage-increase-dismissed-by-boehner.html
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I remember in good old Illinois when the min wage jumped to $7.50 a few years ago. We had high school students that we had to give a raise to. Our labor percentage jumped due to all the raises so the managers got screwed out of our raise. I still ended up with a small raise, but it was less then expected and needed at the time.
The law went into effect about the same time three of us were due for good raises, instead, we had to give 20 part time folks over a buck an hour. :censored:
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I remember in good old Illinois when the min wage jumped to $7.50 a few years ago. We had high school students that we had to give a raise to. Our labor percentage jumped due to all the raises so the managers got screwed out of our raise. I still ended up with a small raise, but it was less then expected and needed at the time.
The law went into effect about the same time three of us were due for good raises, instead, we had to give 20 part time folks over a buck an hour. :censored:
That's what you get for sending them to toil and die in unsafe mines.
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I remember in good old Illinois when the min wage jumped to $7.50 a few years ago. We had high school students that we had to give a raise to. Our labor percentage jumped due to all the raises so the managers got screwed out of our raise. I still ended up with a small raise, but it was less then expected and needed at the time.
The law went into effect about the same time three of us were due for good raises, instead, we had to give 20 part time folks over a buck an hour. :censored:
You obviously didn't deserve the upcoming raise because you were an EVIL manager that was making too much money on the backs of the minimum wage workers. [/DUmmy mode]
The same place probably had to trim off part part-time positions as the year progressed.
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I talked a little but about this with my kids using bag boys (Utility Clerks) as an example.
There are very few grocery stores where you will find bag boys anymore, and that's a shame because it's a decent job for a young man just entering the work force. I looked up when that changed and discovered that a minimum wage hike had eleminated the positions. A grocery store is a fairly marginal operation as far as profits go, averaging about $0.03 profit per item sold. When the wage hike hit and minimum wage went to over $6 and hour, they couldn't afford cashiers and bag boys, and they had to have cashiers. They started sending out cashiers and produce department guys to pull in buggies.
Then they raised it again and stores started putting in computerized registers so that one cashier can, theoretically, man four registers.
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I talked a little but about this with my kids using bag boys (Utility Clerks) as an example.
There are very few grocery stores where you will find bag boys anymore, and that's a shame because it's a decent job for a young man just entering the work force. I looked up when that changed and discovered that a minimum wage hike had eleminated the positions. A grocery store is a fairly marginal operation as far as profits go, averaging about $0.03 profit per item sold. When the wage hike hit and minimum wage went to over $6 and hour, they couldn't afford cashiers and bag boys, and they had to have cashiers. They started sending out cashiers and produce department guys to pull in buggies.
Then they raised it again and stores started putting in computerized registers so that one cashier can, theoretically, man four registers.
B-b-b-but there is no evidence of minimum wage killing jobs. [/DUmmie Mode]
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Seriously? You think you can increase the cost of all the labor inputs on a product or service, all the way from obtaining raw materials to final delivery, by 20%, and aside from any talk at all of expansion, the employers involved won't have any problems at all keeping everyone employed who is currently on the payroll?
What color is the sky on your world?
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When Nanzi Pelosi took over in 07 she passed a minimum wage hike. Youth and black unemployment spiked in the summer of 07, as did all other unemployment. It was tried, it showed the results, and the democrat party members refuses to believe the results or wants the results.
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Seriously? You think you can increase the cost of all the labor inputs on a product or service, all the way from obtaining raw materials to final delivery, by 20%, and aside from any talk at all of expansion, the employers involved won't have any problems at all keeping everyone employed who is currently on the payroll?
What color is the sky on your world?
Rutabega . . .
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Seriously? You think you can increase the cost of all the labor inputs on a product or service, all the way from obtaining raw materials to final delivery, by 20%, and aside from any talk at all of expansion, the employers involved won't have any problems at all keeping everyone employed who is currently on the payroll?
What color is the sky on your world?
A lot of small businesses today are only breaking even. If the owner/s are able to eek out a living for themselves and pay their employees, they are to be congratulated.
I've worked in bookkeeping/accounting for small business for most of my life and I never saw any fat cats. Almost always, any profits went into building the business not some off shore account.
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Plumbing, construction, carpentry, automotive repair, electrical work all provide good paying jobs but tend to be looked down upon by the DC elites when it comes to talking about education. Many of those can be learned with OJT provided the person has some basic manual skills.
Yeah, they "look down" on those folks, until it's the middle of the night and your basement is filled with shit, your car won't start, or you can't figure out why your breakers keep tripping.
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Bullshit. No Democrat believes in manufacturing except as a means of pandering to the unions for votes. Every law, regulation and tax they want to pass would do nothing but hurt manufacturing in the US. They have done it for decades on end.
If manufacturing was that important, then Obama might mention vocational and trade schools instead of the myth that everyone is entitled to a college education.
Exactly! The O manufactures lies.
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Rutabega . . .
Hi 5 for the random.
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Well, if minimum wage goes up, so does cost of living. Hell, my rent skyrocketed the last few times the wage rose, and I make way above it. I now pay over $1000 a month but before the last minimum last passed, it was $545 a month.
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So says the person with 143,000 posts. Dumb idea to raise minimum wage. I say abolish it.
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So says the person with 143,000 posts. Dumb idea to raise minimum wage. I say abolish it.
Or set it at $2.13 an hour plus tips, and then make it the un-raisable pay rate for all species of federal bureaucrat, drone, and all of the various elected and un-elected holders.
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Or set it at $2.13 an hour plus tips, and then make it the un-raisable pay rate for all species of federal bureaucrat, drone, and all of the various elected and un-elected holders.
Act in haste, repent at leisure. Unfortunately you get what you pay for, so if you really want a VA or DOD or NIH or CDC or NRC or DOJ or - dare I say it, Post Office - that is run by kids on Summer break from high school or working part-time during the school year to put gas in their beater, that's probably the fastest way to get there.
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Act in haste, repent at leisure. Unfortunately you get what you pay for, so if you really want a VA or DOD or NIH or CDC or NRC or DOJ or - dare I say it, Post Office - that is run by kids on Summer break from high school or working part-time during the school year to put gas in their beater, that's probably the fastest way to get there.
I'm sure that with the education system in it's present state the answer to this would be a loud, hearty "HELL YES", but the obvious question is:
Could putting the post office or the DOJ in the hands of 17 year old snot noses be any worse that what we currently have?
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I'm sure that with the education system in it's present state the answer to this would be a loud, hearty "HELL YES", but the obvious question is:
:-) Does kind of answer itself, doesn't it?
I've worked with Summer hires in a Federal office. They weren't bad kids, but they were completely incapable of doing anything above the level of running the copy machine. The minimum security prisoners that came through to do janitorial work had more professional manners and motivation.
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:-) Does kind of answer itself, doesn't it?
I've worked with Summer hires in a Federal office. They weren't bad kids, but they were completely incapable of doing anything above the level of running the copy machine. The minimum security prisoners that came through to do janitorial work had more professional manners and motivation.
I worked in retail for awhile. We had a program with an extension high school where kids came in a couple hours a day for graduation credits. I was lucky to get one out of five that could be trusted to follow simple instructions. It wasn't beneficial to the company for me to spend my time standing over them to insure that they did the work assignment properly.
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You obviously didn't deserve the upcoming raise because you were an EVIL manager that was making too much money on the backs of the minimum wage workers. [/DUmmy mode]
The same place probably had to trim off part part-time positions as the year progressed.
:-)
Of course that was in IL that decided the state minimum wage needed to be higher then the federal. I was already good at cutting labor costs and labor hours. I was greedy. I just went in early and scheduled less people to help me to. O-)
Many were given a raise, and their hours cut at the same time. :lmao:
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Of course that was in IL that decided the state minimum wage needed to be higher then the federal. I was already good at cutting labor costs and labor hours. I was greedy. I just went in early and scheduled less people to help me to. O-)
Many were given a raise, and their hours cut at the same time. :lmao:
Sounds to me like you are an evil capitalist pig.
See they should have been guaranteed those jobs so that you couldn't cut labor hours.
(http://minimumwagehistorian.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/lenin-3.jpg?w=209&h=300)
/DUmode off
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Sounds to me like you are an evil capitalist pig.
See they should have been guaranteed those jobs so that you couldn't cut labor hours.
(http://minimumwagehistorian.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/lenin-3.jpg?w=209&h=300)
/DUmode off
Last I heard Illinois was trying to make the wage ten bucks an hour with no discount if you wages included tips. That would simply kill the restaurant business and other service industries and drive up prices to the consumer.
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I have never seen Babylonsister as DUmmy Of The Year despite having more posts than Nadin.
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I worked in retail for awhile. We had a program with an extension high school where kids came in a couple hours a day for graduation credits. I was lucky to get one out of five that could be trusted to follow simple instructions. It wasn't beneficial to the company for me to spend my time standing over them to insure that they did the work assignment properly.
Yet these are the same little assclowns who think, nay, demand--that their skill set (nonexistent) is somehow worth at least $20/hour. If they have a BA in Comparative Navel Gazing, make that a corner office and a six-figure salary, plus benefits.