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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: CactusCarlos on January 25, 2013, 02:17:15 PM
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fried eggs (358 posts)
Fat-shaming may curb obesity, bioethicist says
Unhappy with the slow pace of public health efforts to curb America’s stubborn obesity epidemic, a prominent bioethicist is proposing a new push for what he says is an “edgier strategy†to promote weight loss: ginning up social stigma.
Daniel Callahan, a senior research scholar and president emeritus of The Hastings Center, put out a new paper this week calling for a renewed emphasis on social pressure against heavy people -- what some may call fat-shaming -- including public posters that would pose questions like this:
“If you are overweight or obese, are you pleased with the way that you look?â€
Callahan, a former smoker, argued that public shunning of those who lit up led to plunging rates of cigarette use. People were asked to smoke outside and told directly or indirectly that their “nasty†habit was socially unacceptable.
http://todayhealth.today.com/_news/2013/01/24/16664866-fat-shaming-may-curb-obesity-bioethicist-says?lite
Callahan is wrong about this. Fat people already face a lot of shaming, and losing weight is not easy nor is it cheap. Is Callahan willing to start an inexpensive line of organic low fat foods, offer cheap workout equipment, free gym memberships, counseling, and the other tools that help people lose weight?
More: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022255054
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snooper2 (15,247 posts)
50. Yeah, it doesn't, that's why obese people should pay 20% more in insurance premiums
Like us smokers do..
Making me look at e-cigs..finally going to order one tomorrow..
How much should the AIDS-spreading fudge-pumpers pay?
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Personally, I think we could use a little more stigma in society. Nobody is ashamed of anything anymore.
Oh Lord, that bonfire has to be huge by now...
I'm adding this without further comment.
Response to fried eggs (Original post)
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 11:57 AM
hobbit709 (24,703 posts)
87. I had some clown give me shit in the supermarket checkout about what I was buying.
told me it wasn't healthy to eat meat.
I told him I had a health tip for him too
"You'll live a lot longer if you keep your nose out of other people's business"
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Personally, I think we could use a little more stigma in society. Nobody is ashamed of anything anymore.
Oh Lord, that bonfire has to be huge by now...
One hundred and twenty-five primitive responses so far, but the fat fat primitives are conspicuously absent from this campfire.
I was hoping the LynneSin primitive would show up, but she didn't.
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Callahan is wrong about this. Fat people already face a lot of shaming, and losing weight is not easy nor is it cheap. Is Callahan willing to start an inexpensive line of organic low fat foods, offer cheap workout equipment, free gym memberships, counseling, and the other tools that help people lose weight?
More: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022255054
Yeah, moron shaming certainly doesn't dissuade the perpetually DUmb from believing in Marxism. Or worse, such as believing that Jesus was Marx.
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If we're talking about 0bamacare then, yes, maybe they should have their portion of the tax burden increased (but only if they're "progressives" because they're the ones who wanted this monstrosity). Why should my tax dollars go to support someone who will most likely need more care? If we're talking about private sector insurance, whether fat people should pay higher premiums is entirely up to them.
Ironically, the left in congress are trying to get this tax disaster pushed back portions of the bill and the taxes that pay for them using...wait for it...arguments conservatives have been using since before the bill was passed. Evidently they're figuring out "passing the bill to see what's in it" was a really, really bad idea.
Cindie
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Really it's the enabling that needs to stop. I don't agree with shaming either. Fat people get that enough from te world around them. It's the fat acceptance group that does more damage. It's ok to accept yourself for the PERSON you are; it's quite another to embrace ones destructive nature like its a permanent fixture like blue eyes or olive skin. I despise the fat enabling since it keeps people from addressing the real underlying issues that cause them to hide under layers of fat. It's the same way i feel about the gay enabling that goes on. All of it holds people back from being the best they can be.
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Fat people already face a lot of shaming, and losing weight is not easy nor is it cheap.
Riddle me this porcine one, how does eating less food cost more? They certainly do love demonstrating how stupid and/or indoctrinated they are.
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Riddle me this porcine one, how does eating less food cost more? They certainly do love demonstrating how stupid and/or indoctrinated they are.
Argh I forgot to address that one. Their excuse is that healthy foods cost more and gyms are expensive. Understand this: people like te mooch class doesn't understand self guidance so if its not prepackaged they get lost. The thought of taking a walk everyday at the cost if zero and creating healthy meals at in season sale produce an sale lean meat at a lower cost then the high calorie convenience is always an option. Plenty of exercises are perfectly fine using ones own body weight.
Many healthcare plans now even offer substantially reduced fee for access to several gyms or one from a selected list. My plan is 25 a month and I have 4 gyms within 5 miles of me I can access. At one time this would give you a bare bones access to treadmills and weights but I've found many of the gyms on my list have a full group fitness schedule too. One even offers les mills classes which I love. And one can even utilize taning, saunas, and pt at a reduced price. I doubt some of them have even bothered checking thier health plans to see if they have an offer like that. It's tthe push with many plans as a preventative measure and members are even often rewarded for regular attendance to those gyms. I think they are going on all the false bs and outdated beliefs even without that like I said walking is free. Doing a push-up or sit-up or plank or burpee is free. A squat or a lunge is free. Etc etc etc.
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Arch I forgot to address that one. Their excuse is that healthy foods cost more and gyms are expensive. Understand this: people like te mooch class doesn't understand self guidance so if its not prepackaged they get lost. The thought of taking a walk everyday at the cost if zero and creating healthy meals at in season sale produce an sale lean meat at a lower cost then the high calorie convenience is always an option. Plenty of exercises are perfectly fine using ones own body weight.
Many healthcare plans now even offer substantially reduced fee for access to several gyms or one from a selected list. My plan is 25 a month and I have 4 gyms within 5 miles of me I can access. At one time this would give you a bare bones access to treadmills and weights but I've found many of the gyms on my list have a full group fitness schedule too. One even offers les mills classes which I love. And one can even utilize taning, saunas, and pt at a reduced price. I doubt some of them have even bothered checking thier health plans to see if they have an offer like that. It's tthe push with many plans as a preventative measure and members are even often rewarded for regular attendance to those gyms. I think they are going on all the false bs and outdated beliefs even without that like I said walking is free. Doing a push-up or sit-up or plank or burpee is free. A squat or a lunge is free. Etc etc etc.
For the love of Pete, get serious here. Genetics and bone structure into play, few people with small bones are fat, some people with large bones will weigh more then the governments weight scale for height. Many weight much more then recommended due to being athletic as mussel weighs more then fat.
Metabolism, we are born with it, some of us can eat like horse and not gain weight, others with a slow metabolism seem to put on the pounds just eating crackers and cheese.
Much is going on in the body to effect weight other then what we eat. Diagnoses someone with beginning Diabetes, going to the gym will work off the problem to a point but will not solve the under laying issues.
Compare pictures of a female that is over weight to those of her Mother or dad and their parents, bring in Photo's of her Fathers family----bet someone in the picture is Rollie Polly big boned and with a big smile.
Cannot over come genetics by much, sure one can loose weight but is this good for the body ???
Just look at Karen Carpenter, so sad.
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I could see the libs going for this. Shaming is rude, threatening and hurtful. That pretty much sums up the bully boy tactics of the left.
Of course, look at the ranks of long time union members who are all morbidly obese. But they are far more violent that one would expect. Methinks the left would exempt unions from this "shaming."
But against the little people? Sure! All the better to keep us in line and fearful of the authorities.
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For the love of Pete, get serious here. Genetics and bone structure into play, few people with small bones are fat, some people with large bones will weigh more then the governments weight scale for height. Many weight much more then recommended due to being athletic as mussel weighs more then fat.
Metabolism, we are born with it, some of us can eat like horse and not gain weight, others with a slow metabolism seem to put on the pounds just eating crackers and cheese.
Much is going on in the body to effect weight other then what we eat. Diagnoses someone with beginning Diabetes, going to the gym will work off the problem to a point but will not solve the under laying issues.
Compare pictures of a female that is over weight to those of her Mother or dad and their parents, bring in Photo's of her Fathers family----bet someone in the picture is Rollie Polly big boned and with a big smile.
Cannot over come genetics by much, sure one can loose weight but is this good for the body ???
Just look at Karen Carpenter, so sad.
do you operate off of anything other then outdated notions, old wives tales, and ridiculous generalizations? :thatsright:
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An old news article just poped into my head;
Obesity billboard draws fire
Notion of it not being a choice stirs ‘ugly’ email
http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20111129/NEWS07/311299974/1067/NEWS07
:-)
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Riddle me this porcine one, how does eating less food cost more? They certainly do love demonstrating how stupid and/or indoctrinated they are.
exactly, buying less, will make you eat less, and walking around the block is free!!!
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exactly, buying less, will make you eat less, and walking around the block is free!!!
and enjoyable with the right scenery and weather. I love love love hiking/walking/running. Especially when I can get to some of the beautiful parks and other sites around here. Awesome, inspiring, and really does wonders for the emotional well-being in addition to the physical. :)
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and enjoyable with the right scenery and weather. I love love love hiking/walking/running. Especially when I can get to some of the beautiful parks and other sites around here. Awesome, inspiring, and really does wonders for the emotional well-being in addition to the physical. :)
I go to the "y"...which I like. Has a huge gym with all kinds of equipment and a huge pool, in and out!!! I cant wait for the Spring.There's a new nature preserve on the back bay of Pease(former air force base). Wagon Hill in Durham have lots of trails as well. There is the beach walk, and the one mile walk in Ogunquit Maine.
IS it Spring yet?? :-)
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do you operate off of anything other then outdated notions, old wives tales, and ridiculous generalizations? :thatsright:
Not really, I operate off what I have seen, heard or read.
Lets see out dated means I am pro-life, the idea of abortion it is Murder to me. Today it is accepted, yup I have out dated ideas.
The right to post here, [ Well not a right but until I am banned I will continue to tell Old wives Tales ] What is history but old wives tales.
Out dated notions, does this include Love of Country and pride in it. Guess the Constitution is getting old , the Bill of Rights is becoming out dated.
So I will continue to be a Bitch, out dated, tell old Wives tales and give ridicules generalizations.
It is just me, I mean no harm or insult to you, think of me as the crazy Aunt people keep up in the attic
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Good idea -
you know what else used to be shamed ?
Welfare for the lazy . Food Stamps for the employed. Disability without merit. Now they are all viewed as 'entitlements' and are not only supported, they are owed to those who use them.
Lets get back into shaming these too, and like the decline in cigarette smokers, there will be a decline in freeloaders, saving government funds to use on those who actually need help, and not those who are in it for their share of Obama's stash.
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For the love of Pete, get serious here. Genetics and bone structure into play, few people with small bones are fat, some people with large bones will weigh more then the governments weight scale for height.
I'm pretty sure this is a myth, Vesta. I have never seen a picture of a 'big boned' skeleton. For the most part, the bone size is proportional to sex and height.
Of course there are obvious exceptions - such as people who have battled diseases that affect bone growth and density - but never an otherwise healthy human.
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Good idea -
you know what else used to be shamed ?
Welfare for the lazy . Food Stamps for the employed. Disability without merit. Now they are all viewed as 'entitlements' and are not only supported, they are owed to those who use them.
Lets get back into shaming these too, and like the decline in cigarette smokers, there will be a decline in freeloaders, saving government funds to use on those who actually need help, and not those who are in it for their share of Obama's stash.
Best post of the day!!
Of course that is judgmental and that is racist or mean or something that is not allowed anymore.
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Best post of the day!!
Of course that is judgmental and that is racist or mean or something that is not allowed anymore.
Yeah, now we shame the successful, we shame those who think that people can take care of themselves and don't need government to rule over them, we shame those who think that abortion is murder, we shame those who believe that the second amendment is not only still valid even with AR 15s, but a fundamental right to protect us from a tyrannical government.
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A so- called "Bio- ethicist" proposed this?
I don't think it's very ethical to shunand further humiliate someone just because they're not the ideal body weight.
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A so- called "Bio- ethicist" proposed this?
I don't think it's very ethical to shunand further humiliate someone just because they're not the ideal body weight.
True. But liberals are bullies and fascists at heart. This is another evil libs will embrace.
They need enemies to hate. A divided society is easier to rule.
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Response to fried eggs (Original post)
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 11:57 AM
hobbit709 (24,703 posts)
87. I had some clown give me shit in the supermarket checkout about what I was buying.
told me it wasn't healthy to eat meat.
I told him I had a health tip for him too
"You'll live a lot longer if you keep your nose out of other people's business"
Uh-huh. From the people who consider themselves superior to everyone else and get erotic stimulation from telling people what they should and shouldn't do. This primitive is bordering on a :bouncy:
True. But liberals are bullies and fascists at heart. This is another evil libs will embrace.
They need enemies to hate. A divided society is easier to rule.
Yep. It's their driving force. I think the divided society will eventually be their undoing.
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True. But liberals are bullies and fascists at heart. This is another evil libs will embrace.
They need enemies to hate. A divided society is easier to rule.
Sounds like, dare I say it; Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Pol Pot, etc.