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Title: Biden: Obama Prepared to Take Executive Action On Gun Control
Post by: txradioguy on January 09, 2013, 01:24:57 PM
President Obama will likely take executive action in an effort to tamp down the recent rash of gun violence, Vice President Biden said Wednesday.

“The president is going go act,” said Biden, who is conducting meetings all week on gun control. “There are executive orders, executive action that can be taken. We haven't decided what that is yet, but we're compiling it all.”

He said last month's Newtown, Conn., tragedy — which took the lives of 20 elementary school children — “touched the heart of the American people so profoundly” and “requires immediate, urgent action.”

Biden sat beside Attorney General Eric Holder as he met with gun-control leaders, including the Brady Campaign to End Gun Violence, along with victims of gun violence, including survivors of the Virginia Tech University shooting and the stepfather of a victim in last summer's Aurora, Colo., shooting.

“I want to make clear that we're not going to get caught up in the notion that, unless we can do everything, we're going to do nothing,” Biden said. “It's critically important we act.”

http://mobile.thehill.com/homenews/administration/276313-biden-obama-prepared-to-take-executive-action-on-gun-control
Title: Re: Biden: Obama Prepared to Take Executive Action On Gun Control
Post by: Freeper on January 09, 2013, 01:30:29 PM
I forget who it was but someone from the 0bama camp said before the election they would work around congress. It may have been Valerie Jarret.
Title: Re: Biden: Obama Prepared to Take Executive Action On Gun Control
Post by: DLR Pyro on January 09, 2013, 01:33:20 PM


“I want to make clear that we're not going to get caught up in the notion that, unless we can do everything, we're going to do nothing,” Biden said. “It's critically important we act.”

http://mobile.thehill.com/homenews/administration/276313-biden-obama-prepared-to-take-executive-action-on-gun-control

knee jerk reactions by a bunch of ****ing jerks
Title: Re: Biden: Obama Prepared to Take Executive Action On Gun Control
Post by: marv on January 09, 2013, 01:35:02 PM
President Obama will likely take executive action in an effort to tamp down the recent rash of gun violence purchases, Vice President Biden said Wednesday.

Fixed it.......

They STILL won't get my UNREGISTERED handguns! (http://www.conservativecave.com/Smileys/default/naughty.gif) (http://www.conservativecave.com/Smileys/default/tongue2.gif)
Title: Re: Biden: Obama Prepared to Take Executive Action On Gun Control
Post by: BlueStateSaint on January 09, 2013, 02:27:06 PM
I was on George Ure's site yesterday, and he posted an email that someone had sent him.  They said that Obama could have issued executive orders banning Internet sales/transfers of guns and ammunition on December 15th, if he wanted to.  Instead, he chose to wait until Slow Joe Biden's 'task farce' comes back with its' recommendations at the end of January.  In the meantime, there's a buying frenzy in the US.  People are getting armed up.  Some people who one would never think would buy firearms and ammunition are buying them.  Why?  They're scared. 

But, if he could have done this and didn't then, the big question (probably for a closed part of the board) is . . .

Why?

Why wait?

Maybe the Oministration wants Americans to be armed to the teeth.  Again, why?

(The emailer actually did suggest a reason, but Ure was in this mode: :tinfoil: :tinfoil2: )
Title: Re: Biden: Obama Prepared to Take Executive Action On Gun Control
Post by: DefiantSix on January 09, 2013, 02:34:55 PM
I was on George Ure's site yesterday, and he posted an email that someone had sent him.  They said that Obama could have issued executive orders banning Internet sales/transfers of guns and ammunition on December 15th, if he wanted to.  Instead, he chose to wait until Slow Joe Biden's 'task farce' comes back with its' recommendations at the end of January.  In the meantime, there's a buying frenzy in the US.  People are getting armed up.  Some people who one would never think would buy firearms and ammunition are buying them.  Why?  They're scared. 

But, if he could have done this and didn't then, the big question (probably for a closed part of the board) is . . .

Why?

Why wait?

Maybe the Oministration wants Americans to be armed to the teeth.  Again, why?

(The emailer actually did suggest a reason, but Ure was in this mode: :tinfoil: :tinfoil2: )

Sgt. Long Ears seems to have hit upon Occam's explanation, HERE (http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,82278.msg1017531.html#msg1017531).  It makes sense: You can't declare an emergency unless you have a justification, however trumped up.
Title: Re: Biden: Obama Prepared to Take Executive Action On Gun Control
Post by: J P Sousa on January 09, 2013, 03:29:55 PM
Would there be an the eradication of German Jewry in the Holocaust if they were allowed to have guns in Nazi Germany ? .

Quote
  After five years of repression and eradication of dissidents, Hitler signed a new gun
control law in 1938, which benefitted Nazi party members and entities, but denied
firearm ownership to enemies of the state. Later that year, in Kristallnacht (the Night
of the Broken Glass), in one fell swoop, the Nazi regime disarmed Germany’s Jews.
Without any ability to defend themselves, the Jewish population could easily be sent
to concentration camps for the Final Solution


http://www.stephenhalbrook.com/article-nazilaw.pdf
Title: Re: Biden: Obama Prepared to Take Executive Action On Gun Control
Post by: BlueStateSaint on January 09, 2013, 03:45:36 PM
Rwanda of 1994 will have nothing on this coming civil war.
Title: Re: Biden: Obama Prepared to Take Executive Action On Gun Control
Post by: DefiantSix on January 09, 2013, 03:51:17 PM
Rwanda of 1994 will have nothing on this coming civil war.

The sad thing is, either the progressives are sadly fooling themselves about the forces they can marshall to their cause, or we are.  Either way, it's going to be a bloodbath.
Title: Re: Biden: Obama Prepared to Take Executive Action On Gun Control
Post by: mrclose on January 09, 2013, 03:55:35 PM
Executive orders only apply to the administration of the executive branch of government.

 They aren't laws. They are bureaucratic rules for bureaucrats.

 They were never intended to apply to the citizenry.

SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED is not negotiable... even to a black Kenyan Marxist.
Title: Re: Biden: Obama Prepared to Take Executive Action On Gun Control
Post by: DefiantSix on January 09, 2013, 04:06:08 PM
Executive orders only apply to the administration of the executive branch of government.

 They aren't laws. They are bureaucratic rules for bureaucrats.

 They were never intended to apply to the citizenry.

SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED is not negotiable... even to a black Kenyan Marxist.

And you be sure to tell them that when he has DHS troopies come collect your weapons.  We'll cover you.
Title: Re: Biden: Obama Prepared to Take Executive Action On Gun Control
Post by: JohnnyReb on January 09, 2013, 04:08:51 PM
If a civil war starts, how many points do I get for shooting MSM news people?

.. a black Kenyan Marxist. doesn't understand the rule of law.
Title: Re: Biden: Obama Prepared to Take Executive Action On Gun Control
Post by: DumbAss Tanker on January 09, 2013, 04:46:19 PM
Executive orders only apply to the administration of the executive branch of government.

 They aren't laws. They are bureaucratic rules for bureaucrats.

 They were never intended to apply to the citizenry.

SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED is not negotiable... even to a black Kenyan Marxist.

True, and I'm having difficulty seeing where any such authority with respect to the internet comes into play; I suppose he could effectively shut down the FBI background checks with an EXORD, either for a certain class of weapons or altogether, but at a certain point even that runs into some statutorily-imposed requirements he can't negate by order.
Title: Re: Biden: Obama Prepared to Take Executive Action On Gun Control
Post by: NHSparky on January 09, 2013, 08:11:21 PM
knee jerk reactions by a bunch of ****ing jerks

DLR--WHY THE **** ARE YOU STILL IN CA????

Even a cop needs 10 days before he can pick up a weapon he purchased unless he has a specific letter from his/her Chief stating why they need that weapon in a lesser timeframe.

I've purchased several weapons in NH and you know what the longest wait I've had was?  Following the guy from Kittery Trading Post to the KTP Exchange on the NH Route 1 Bypass in Portsmouth...about 10 minutes away after I passed my 5-10 minute background check.

And yet douchenozzles like Piers Morgan are still on CNN claiming how we're such a "violent" society yet where I live is as NON-VIOLENT as anyplace in America.

Do they not understand the disconnect?
Title: Re: Biden: Obama Prepared to Take Executive Action On Gun Control
Post by: DLR Pyro on January 09, 2013, 08:42:19 PM
DLR--WHY THE **** ARE YOU STILL IN CA????


born and raised here.  Have deep roots here, but I'm growing to hate the "golden state" every day.  At least Im comfortably ensconsed in South Orange County but am seriously thinking about moving to Texas down the road when I retire.
Title: Re: Biden: Obama Prepared to Take Executive Action On Gun Control
Post by: NHSparky on January 09, 2013, 08:53:59 PM
born and raised here.  Have deep roots here, but I'm growing to hate the "golden state" every day.  At least Im comfortably ensconsed in South Orange County but am seriously thinking about moving to Texas down the road when I retire.

Ya know what--so was I.  But even I knew when it was a lost cause.
Title: Re: Biden: Obama Prepared to Take Executive Action On Gun Control
Post by: thundley4 on January 09, 2013, 08:57:43 PM
Will Obama have to use Executive Orders, or can he use regulatory agencies such as the BATF to issue new rules and directives?  Weren't they going to do something like that regarding gun sales in Texas a couple of years ago?

How about bringing the Department of Homeland Security into the mix?  I think there are many ways for Obama to sidestep congress and implement his regime's goals. 

Could the Department of education issue a rule banning all guns within 5 miles of a school?
Title: Re: Biden: Obama Prepared to Take Executive Action On Gun Control
Post by: JohnnyReb on January 10, 2013, 09:16:51 AM
Obama likes to wipe his ass on The Constitution.....too bad the founding fathers didn't have 40 grit sandpaper to write on back then.
Title: Re: Biden: Obama Prepared to Take Executive Action On Gun Control
Post by: Eupher on January 10, 2013, 10:19:26 AM
Listened to Michael Savage last night on the way home from rehearsal. He was in rare form.  :rotf:

"What are you going to do when Obama takes your guns? I want to know. I have just a couple rules on this show - no threats and no violence."

Violence on a radio show?  :lmao:
Title: Re: Biden: Obama Prepared to Take Executive Action On Gun Control
Post by: NHSparky on January 10, 2013, 11:03:54 AM
MOLON LABE.  I guess we're gonna find out sooner rather than later.
Title: Re: Biden: Obama Prepared to Take Executive Action On Gun Control
Post by: DumbAss Tanker on January 10, 2013, 11:25:52 AM
And you be sure to tell them that when he has DHS troopies come collect your weapons.  We'll cover you.

Oh, they're not crazy enough to think that would work...no, they'll just outlaw everything, and then prosecute the people they actually find holding when they come into law enforcement hands for other reasons...like fighting a fire at your house, serving a warrant on the wrong address, a traffic stop where they decide to search your car, a relative who doesn't know your vacation plans can't reach you and sends the cops to your house to make sure you're okay...

I moved to NJ for a job right after they passed their AWB, leaving everything that violated it with relatives out of state...only a couple of hundred weapons out of an estimated couple of million were actually registered in the entire state, but there was no effort to track down the holdouts.  Every time the cops went into somebody's house for some other reason and found anything that violated the AWB, though, they'd arrest them for that and so 'Assault weapon crime' shot through the roof after the law compared to beforehand, because every one of those passive possession arrests was now 'Gun Crime with an AW.'
Title: Re: Biden: Obama Prepared to Take Executive Action On Gun Control
Post by: Airwolf on January 10, 2013, 01:21:34 PM
If I could win the powerball there would be many smiling faces at the gun stores and a well armed person after that.
Title: Re: Biden: Obama Prepared to Take Executive Action On Gun Control
Post by: Wineslob on January 11, 2013, 09:18:31 AM
What I've been getting from the MSM is it'll be more of what's already been done. Brady Act, wait times, etc..

I think Biden's backing off on an all-out ban.

Now, what the Big 0 wants to do.........
Title: Re: Biden: Obama Prepared to Take Executive Action On Gun Control
Post by: Mr Mannn on January 12, 2013, 07:42:13 AM
Will Obama have to use Executive Orders, or can he use regulatory agencies such as the BATF to issue new rules and directives?  Weren't they going to do something like that regarding gun sales in Texas a couple of years ago?

How about bringing the Department of Homeland Security into the mix?  I think there are many ways for Obama to sidestep congress and implement his regime's goals.  

Could the Department of education issue a rule banning all guns within 5 miles of a school?
Hi5. You hit the nail on the head.
Obama will attempt to make gun ownership so onerous that people will willingly give them up.
--He's in for a big surprise. Canadians refused (en masse) to register their guns and the liberal govt gave up a few years later.

1) I'm expecting a national registry to come out of this. First step to confiscation.
2) I think we will find out why TSA purchased all those hollow points (ammo denied by law for police).
3) TSA may turn into a national police force..every dictator needs a secret police.
Title: Re: Biden: Obama Prepared to Take Executive Action On Gun Control
Post by: mrclose on January 15, 2013, 06:00:28 PM
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Title: Re: Biden: Obama Prepared to Take Executive Action On Gun Control
Post by: Dacabeti on January 15, 2013, 06:16:07 PM
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“The President is going to act on Executive Order or Executive actions that can be taken. We have not decided what that is yet, but we are compiling it all, spoke with the Attorney General, and all the rest of the cabinet members. As well as legislative action we believe is required” ~ Vice President Joe Biden.

Let’s delve into what the VP is saying. First he used the words “Going to act”. He did not say is thinking about acting, may act, or looking into. VP Biden says “GOING TO ACT”; this leaves no doubt that President Obama is going to issue an executive order banning some guns or all guns.

Mr. VP neither you nor the President have that authority; This power does not fall onto you. It is not within the President’s powers to make laws. You cannot legislate by Executive Order. The power to create law resides solely with Congress. You are an Administrator not a Ruler. Contrary to the Lefts believe you are not a King; Mr. President you are not an Emperor, you are not a Messiah. These powers belong to the people who do not fear you; the opposite is true. The Constitution promises that the Government will fear the people. This is our power, this is our right, this is our DUTY.

The Founding fathers in their wisdom set up a system of checks and balances so that this very thing could not happen. Many people believe that the American Revolution was fought over taxation; mainly because our leftist schools do not teach truth. The truth is that the American Revolution was fought because of a long train of abuse by a tyrannical Government; with last straw being gun confiscation.  Here we are over 200 years later with the same thing. A tyrannical Government that has for years infringed on American liberty.  Are we hanging from that branch by a fingernail?

In the past 12 years we have lost many liberties. The Patriot Act stripped the US Citizens of many rights. Warrantless wiretaps have taken the 4th Amendment to new lows. Drones spying on the American people, NDAA allowing for American Citizens to be held indefinitely without any possibility of trial. Now they are proposing taking away our only means of protection from them. In my lifetime I have seen Castro disarm the people, Qaddafi disarm the people, Idi Amin disarm the people, Mao Tse-Tung disarm the people, Pol Pot disarm the people, Kim Jong-il disarm the people. What do all of these people have in common? Once the people were disarmed they were systematically murdered. This all happened in my lifetime and I’m not that old; so do not tell me it cannot happen in the US. Anyone can desire power and go over the edge.

The second any type of mass registration or ban takes effect I will be calling my local police department and making a stolen weapons complaint, because somehow all of my weapons were instantly stolen. I no longer own them. If I do not own a firearm I cannot register a firearm. I will then purchase protection from the drug dealer in the inner city.

I will not tell anyone how to live their lives; that decision is their Constitutional right, but I will stand up and fight. I will not go easy into the night. Molon Labe
Title: Re: Biden: Obama Prepared to Take Executive Action On Gun Control
Post by: Dori on January 15, 2013, 06:44:49 PM
Hi5. You hit the nail on the head.
Obama will attempt to make gun ownership so onerous that people will willingly give them up.
--He's in for a big surprise. Canadians refused (en masse) to register their guns and the liberal govt gave up a few years later.

1) I'm expecting a national registry to come out of this. First step to confiscation.
2) I think we will find out why TSA purchased all those hollow points (ammo denied by law for police).
3) TSA may turn into a national police force..every dictator needs a secret police.


I've wondered about HHS for awhile now.  I think you are probably right about Obama's civilian army and TSA being part of it.  They also have inspection teams that do more than just work at airports. 
Title: Re: Biden: Obama Prepared to Take Executive Action On Gun Control
Post by: Scoobie on January 16, 2013, 11:15:16 AM

Happened to walk by the living room where my mom is watching the Prez give his gun control speech on CNN (yeah, I know)....and OMG, I'm almost believing I'm seeing the slightest hint of a hitler-esque mustache on the man. Just wow.
Title: Re: Biden: Obama Prepared to Take Executive Action On Gun Control
Post by: NHSparky on January 16, 2013, 11:40:25 AM
Happened to walk by the living room where my mom is watching the Prez give his gun control speech on CNN (yeah, I know)....and OMG, I'm almost believing I'm seeing the slightest hint of a hitler-esque mustache on the man. Just wow.

But...but...but...it's FOR THE CHILLUNS!!!!

He's such a clown.
Title: Re: Biden: Obama Prepared to Take Executive Action On Gun Control
Post by: J P Sousa on January 16, 2013, 12:52:29 PM
Happened to walk by the living room where my mom is watching the Prez give his gun control speech on CNN (yeah, I know)....and OMG, I'm almost believing I'm seeing the slightest hint of a hitler-esque mustache on the man. Just wow.

I actually, for a moment, saw Hugo Chavez.  :hammer:
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Title: Re: Biden: Obama Prepared to Take Executive Action On Gun Control
Post by: Jasonw560 on January 16, 2013, 01:01:02 PM
But...but...but...it's FOR THE CHILLUNS!!!!

He's such an ass clown.
FIFY
Title: Re: Biden: Obama Prepared to Take Executive Action On Gun Control
Post by: BigTex on January 16, 2013, 01:05:35 PM
Hi5. You hit the nail on the head.
Obama will attempt to make gun ownership so onerous that people will willingly give them up.
--He's in for a big surprise. Canadians refused (en masse) to register their guns and the liberal govt gave up a few years later.

1) I'm expecting a national registry to come out of this. First step to confiscation.
2) I think we will find out why TSA purchased all those hollow points (ammo denied by law for police).
3) TSA may turn into a national police force..every dictator needs a secret police.


Hollow points are standard for most police