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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: GOBUCKS on January 03, 2013, 05:18:34 PM
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Thu Jan 3, 2013, 04:52 PM
nadinbrzezinski (114,527 posts)
The problem, the basic problem, with US politics
It is two fold.
1.- American Exceptionalism, which goes hand in hand with empire
2.- Fear.
They go together, but if we want to change these dynamics we need to realize that all major political problems, whether austerity (f we don't reform Medicare it will go bankrupt, fear...if we pass gun laws they'll take my guns...fear) we need to recognize this is a key component.
Keeping people on the edge of panic is a powerful tool.
And then there is Exceptionalism. We really do not want to become like oh Europeans, and pass sensible singe payer, cause we're americans and we're special.
These are critical. We need to realize fear is stopping us, and that includes fear of...change and that perhaps we're not that exceptional.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022125736#post10
Thu Jan 3, 2013, 05:15 PM
Jeff In Milwaukee (11,761 posts)
2. That's part of it, to be sure
But if I had to pick one thing, it would be this concept of American Exceptionalism which (ironically) seems to be exclusive to the United States. We have this notion that the basic common sense that governs the rest of the world (i.e., guns) simply don't apply to us because we "different" that those other cultures. You can't compare the U.S. to Sweden because, well, they're Swedish and not American. And American is better. So there.
Response to NRaleighLiberal (Reply #1)
Thu Jan 3, 2013, 05:23 PM
nadinbrzezinski (114,527 posts)
4. It exploits the other two
Whether it's pharma...we are not Canada you silly...or guns, or a slew of other issues.
Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)
Thu Jan 3, 2013, 05:32 PM
dkf (30,336 posts)
5. Or maybe the fear is we aren't exceptional...
Thus our way of life will revert back to the mean.
Response to dkf (Reply #5)
Thu Jan 3, 2013, 05:38 PM
nadinbrzezinski (114,527 posts)
6. We aren't
Sorry
It's a stupid foundational national myth that is a modern tool of empire.
Response to Johonny (Reply #7)
Thu Jan 3, 2013, 05:48 PM
nadinbrzezinski (114,527 posts)
9. One point...this is not just Republicans.
Americans are ignorant of how the government is supposed to be or work.
Granted, the GOP relies more on fear, but both rely on Exceptionalism.
Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)
Thu Jan 3, 2013, 05:45 PM
LWolf (35,004 posts)
8. #1
goes hand in hand with capitalism and corporate empire.
Every time I hear some politician, R or D, talking about a "uniquely American" solution, I know what they mean is "American capitalist/corporate solution."
Response to LWolf (Reply #8)
Thu Jan 3, 2013, 05:48 PM
nadinbrzezinski (114,527 posts)
10. Yup, it's code.
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I get sick of hearing how much better things are in Europe. If Europe is so ****ing great move there DUmmies, don't try to turn our country in to what you can get elsewhere.
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You know, there ain't nobody who believes more in "American Exceptionalism" than the primitives.
They really believe in it, more than a Moslem believes in Allah.
They really believe that we'll be the "exception" to what happened with other peoples, other societies, other countries, where so many failed things have been tried--socialism, free medical care for all, spending one's way out of a recession, appeasement, &c., &., &c.
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Don't worry nads. Even though you lost the DOTY you are still exceptional. Just not in the ways you think.
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Go back to wherever you claim to have came from you cum stain on the back seat of life. :bird:
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You know, there ain't nobody who believes more in "American Exceptionalism" than the primitives.
They really believe in it, more than a Moslem believes in Allah.
They really believe that we'll be the "exception" to what happened with other peoples, other societies, other countries, where so many failed things have been tried--socialism, free medical care for all, spending one's way out of a recession, appeasement, &c., &., &c.
You are right, they have watched what happened to Greece yet they think that we can do the same thing and somehow get different results. :mental:
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But if I had to pick one thing, it would be this concept of American Exceptionalism
Then explain why more people desire to come to the US than any other country. Why do people from the countries that practice the socialism you DUmmies crave, want to escape and come to the US?
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And the Democrats have mastered the use of fear.
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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)
Thu Jan 3, 2013, 06:18 PM
malaise (101,352 posts)
15. Add the media who whip up the fear on behalf of their corporate liberal bosses
and of course because what is paraded as news is sport and entertainment for ratings
A little truth goes a long way.
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You are right, they have watched what happened to Greece yet they think that we can do the same thing and somehow get different results. :mental:
Yeah, this "so what if it didn't work anywhere else--we're exceptional, and it'll work here" nonsense.
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Every time I hear the oblate spheroid whine about "American 'exceptionalism,'" I think back to when she won the Top DUmmie of 2011:
One’s sure that while nadinbrzezinski dreams for, pines for, yearns for, the decline of America and the “system,†she’s not above taking advantages of the benefits America and the system gives her. One imagines she takes all she can, as quick as she can. She enjoys an elevation of living far above that which could reasonably be expected by a wife of a retired submarine commander in the Mexican navy, for example.
nadinbrzezinski has no love for America, and probably the reason reaches back more than seventy years, when her grandparents, and one or the other of her parents (then a child), desperately sought to flee the shetls of Poland only weeks before September 1, 1939.
It’s a very sad and unfortunate story, the blight inflicted upon innocent people by totalitarian socialists, and at the time, lots of people of Judaic derivation were hoping to get out. America and England were their first choices, but the doors had been mostly shut there, and so those of Judaic derivation frantically sought refuge wherever they could find it—in Shanghai, in Fiji, in Kenya, in South Africa, in Paraguay; whoever’d let them in.
Happily, nadinbrzezinski’s ancestors got in to Mexico. It wasn’t America, but it wasn’t German-dominated Poland either.
But surely there was some resentment among her ancestors, that America hadn’t let them in, and this resentment was implanted in her as a little girl.
nadinbrzezinski’s got to take the global view of the situation, the whole story, though. In 1939, the president of the United States was a (D), and not inclined to help the Jews. Congress, both houses, were a veto-proof (D), and not inclined to help the Jews. The Supreme Court was by then a solidly (D) court, and not inclined to help the Jews. The State Department bureaucrats were all (D)s, and not inclined to help the Jews.
That’s why nadinbrzezinski’s ancestors couldn’t get into America.
One's sure her attitude is, "they didn't accept the gift of my people, so they suck."
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I found this reply to be interesting.
Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)
Thu Jan 3, 2013, 05:45 PM
LWolf (35,004 posts)
8. #1
goes hand in hand with capitalism and corporate empire.
Every time I hear some politician, R or D, talking about a "uniquely American" solution, I know what they mean is "American capitalist/corporate solution."
I'm not sure how the DUmpmonkeys can quantify this with this, on their own board even...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2122523
35,000 + posts and this idiot is still not on the same page.
I wish the idiot DUmpmonkeys would figure it out, I sorta suspect this is the reason they isolate themselves on the island.
If they ever opened up the island to true debate it would tip over and sink.
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What the he!! is she talking about?
The two biggest problems in American politics is liberalism and stupidity.
Unfortunately for the country we seem to have an excess supply of both. :hammer:
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What the he!! is she talking about?
The two biggest problems in American politics is liberalism and stupidity.
Unfortunately for the country we seem to have an excess supply of both. :hammer:
Actually both those problems are the same thing. :-)
Okay I suppose one can be stupid and not be a liberal, but one can not be a liberal without being stupid. So I guess we can count them as 2.
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Actually both those problems are the same thing. :-)
Okay I suppose one can be stupid and not be a liberal, but one can not be a liberal without being stupid. So I guess we can count them as 2.
My thought exactly, not all stupid people are liberal, but all liberals are stupid. :-)
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Can someone tell me why it's possible to smuggle millions of illegals into this country but impossible to get one smuggled back into her former country when it is so close?
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Can someone tell me why it's possible to smuggle millions of illegals into this country but impossible to get one smuggled back into her former country when it is so close?
:rimshot:
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Can someone tell me why it's possible to smuggle millions of illegals into this country but impossible to get one smuggled back into her former country when it is so close?
Because they don't print enough money to accept the job. Even if it is completely incapacitated you still have to touch it to get it into/out of the vehicle, if not you then have to listen to it, regardless the smell of it will never come off of you, your clothes or vehicle, and that alone would cause most to instantly stop in their tracks. :tongue:
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American "exceptionalism" ?
Oh please.
Clearly this person hasn't had to deal with the poms , frogs or krauts - all of who are completely convinced that their own little piece of the planet is utterly supreme and everywhere else is just an uncivilised back of backwards savages.
The notion that ones own homeland / country of residence is better than any other is hardly exceptional and by no means limited to the USA. The USA however probably has the strongest claim to the title of "best" though.
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American "exceptionalism" ?
Oh please.
Clearly this person hasn't had to deal with the poms, frogs or krauts - all of who are completely convinced that their own little piece of the planet is utterly supreme and everywhere else is just an uncivilised back of backwards savages.
The notion that ones own homeland / country of residence is better than any other is hardly exceptional and by no means limited to the USA.
The more I think about it, the more I suspect nadin's parents paid a dowry to Tom to marry her.
Remember, the oblate spheroid's from the 1%, the uppermost upper-crust, of Mexico, and such isn't unheard-of even in this day and age.
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If only we was esseptional Messicans like Nadin! Then we would invade richer countries (assuming there were any without us) and then send that money we earned/looted back to mother Messico!
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The more I think about it, the more I suspect nadin's parents paid a dowry to Tom to marry her.
A bribe doesn't qualify as a dowry.
If he got money, it was a bribe to buy her American citizenship, hoping to bring the rest of the family along later.
A fat midget would never make it sneaking through the desert, but they could buy a DUmb American sailor.
Not sure why the rest of the family is still stuck in the shithole south of Texas.
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Can someone tell me why it's possible to smuggle millions of illegals into this country but impossible to get one smuggled back into her former country when it is so close?
Hahahaha! Hi-5!
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American "exceptionalism" ?
Oh please.
Clearly this person hasn't had to deal with the poms , frogs or krauts - all of who are completely convinced that their own little piece of the planet is utterly supreme and everywhere else is just an uncivilised back of backwards savages.
The notion that ones own homeland / country of residence is better than any other is hardly exceptional and by no means limited to the USA. The USA however probably has the strongest claim to the title of "best" though.
She should hear the KATUSA soldiers we had to deal with over in Korea. Talk about people that think their shit doesn't stink.
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Can someone tell me why it's possible to smuggle millions of illegals into this country but impossible to get one smuggled back into her former country when it is so close?
I tried to get her renditioned back to her native soil...
(http://www.travelaroundeurope.co.uk/images/warwick/warwick-castle/trebuchet-2.jpg)
... but DHS confiscated my trebuchet before I could get her launched.