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Interests => Around the House & In the Garage => Topic started by: CG6468 on January 01, 2013, 11:31:52 AM
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E-15 Warning (http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/2000862202001/warnings-not-to-use-e15-gas-in-your-car/)
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Why am I not surprised to hear that the EPA is shoving an unproven fuel down driver's throats? To the extent that the auto companies are backing away?
Corn subsidies for ethanol - it's what's for dinner. :whatever:
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Why am I not surprised to hear that the EPA is shoving an unproven fuel down driver's throats? To the extent that the auto companies are backing away?
Corn subsidies for ethanol - it's what's for dinner. :whatever:
This was a scam for the corn growers to drive up costs to consumers from the get-go.
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This was a scam for the corn growers to drive up costs to consumers from the get-go.
Of course it was. When it takes more energy to convert a biological product into a - *cough* - energy source, you know that the decision makers are cashing in huge.
It's not about carbon. It's not about oil. It's not about the ****ing ozone layer or "alternate forms of energy". It's about MONEY. And the *******ed Congress and the lobbyists are swimming in OUR MONEY that we pay them for the privilege of parking their scum-sucking asses in that cesspool known as D.C.
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Dumb question of the day: will it be advertised the way E-85 is, so that we can avoid it? Are any chain brands eschewing it? How can I keep away from it?
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Dumb question of the day: will it be advertised the way E-85 is, so that we can avoid it? Are any chain brands eschewing it? How can I keep away from it?
I imagine and dearly hope that it will be clearly labeled as such at the pump.
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You know, I always thought that was odd.
In Nebraska, there's always three pumps--one for premium, one for regular, and one for regular that's 15% ethanol blend, which is usually about ten cents a gallon cheaper.
The pumps are always clearly marked what they have; I've never seen one that wasn't.
I was suprised when I learned that in some states, they don't have to describe the composition of the fuel at the individual pumps.
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Dumb question of the day: will it be advertised the way E-85 is, so that we can avoid it? Are any chain brands eschewing it? How can I keep away from it?
Around here it's advertised on the price signs and clearly labeled at the pump. But it's still possible to make a fatal mistake.
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You know, I always thought that was odd.
In Nebraska, there's always three pumps--one for premium, one for regular, and one for regular that's 15% ethanol blend, which is usually about ten cents a gallon cheaper.
The pumps are always clearly marked what they have; I've never seen one that wasn't.
I was suprised when I learned that in some states, they don't have to describe the composition of the fuel at the individual pumps.
You have to be real careful when you travel to states other than those you generally frequent.
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You have to be real careful when you travel to states other than those you generally frequent.
They make it really obvious what the fuel is--the signs seem standard, and I've never seen one without a sign, leading me to believe it's state law--you can't even pull the pump out of the slot to fuel without taking note of what you're going to be putting in.
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They make it really obvious what the fuel is--the signs seem standard, and I've never seen one without a sign, leading me to believe it's state law--you can't even pull the pump out of the slot to fuel without taking note of what you're going to be putting in.
That could be, Frank. But are lawmakers that intelligent?
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What will poor widdle commie napolitano (no caps intentional) do about this?
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I'm very glad we don't and very likely never will have this stuff in this province at least. This ethanol nonsense is ridiculous.
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Winter blend up here kicks up the ethanol content to what the pump claims is 10 percent.
I sure as hell notice it in the mileage I get in the Jeep. During the summer months, I average 21-22 MPG (combined) whereas in the winter, I'm lucky if I get 19.
That means I have to fill up every 3 1/2-4 days, versus every 4-4 1/2 days. That comes out to about an extra 1 1/2 fill ups per month, or another $100.
It will be a glorious future, comrades, GLORIOUS!!!!
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If I pay the extra dime or two for higher grade (octane) fuel...is that a way to avoid this crap?
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If I pay the extra dime or two for higher grade (octane) fuel...is that a way to avoid this crap?
Yes. And read the pump.
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The last time I saw a non-ethanol station, regular gas was ungodly expensive, about the same price as diesel.
I think the Texaco at McMurray Drive still has non-ethanol pumps, but they're family-owned, expensive as hell, and close at 10pm. The one at Spence Lane has been closed for years. My MG takes high-test/premium... I'll take my chances. Used engines are cheap.
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The fuel delivery drivers often have to mix in the ethanol prior to the delivery to the stations. Mistakes are made. Random tests of gas stations have shown much higher concentrations of ethanol in tanks.
One more advantage is that ethanol does not have "fuel tax" so it's to the gas stations owners advantage if the fuel is ethanol heavy they are selling. In fact some stations were taking advantage of the higher octane that the ethanol added, selling ethanol blended fuel as "super unleaded" and charging even more! Buyer beware.
E 15 is only to be used in flex fuel vehicles. 10% ethanol is the standard mix for what was once known as "gasohol."
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Winter blended fuels contain other things then ethanol. Vehicles simply burn more gas when it's cold outside, as it takes the engine longer to get up to operating tempature. That all sucks gas.
I could write a short book about ethanol and have posted information here before about it. Some left wing publications were the first to call out the gov't on ethanol back in the 90's.
Ethanol also displaces moisture, which can cause problems with fuel injection systems. I think most of the auto manufactuers have over came this. I remember when owner's manuals said it was ok to use ethanol blended fuels yet our shop service manuals said it was bad for the car.
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Study: New E15 gas can ruin auto engines
http://washingtonexaminer.com/study-new-e15-gas-can-ruin-auto-engines/article/2520078
Quixotic attempt with ethanol.
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I bought (PEIX) PACIFIC ETHANOL INC stock because Bill Gates bought a bunch but it's worth just 0.33 / share now. :bawl:
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