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Title: Gay marriage ban qualifies for California ballot
Post by: Lord Undies on June 03, 2008, 08:26:56 AM
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PageOneQ  (211 posts)        Mon Jun-02-08 10:29 PM
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Gay marriage ban qualifies for California ballot
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Source: Associated Press

An initiative that would again outlaw gay marriage in California has qualified for the November ballot, the Secretary of State announced Monday.

California Secretary of State Debra Bowen said a random check of signatures submitted by the measure's sponsors showed that they had gathered enough names for it to be put to voters.

The measure would amend the state constitution to "provide that only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California."

Read more: http://pageoneq.com/news/2008/Marriage_initiative_quali...


Oh, all the 12 steps of grief and the two-step of denial are on the dance floor at this Meeting-of-the-Mindless Ball. 

Title: Re: Gay marriage ban qualifies for California ballot
Post by: franksolich on June 03, 2008, 08:29:58 AM
Oh my.

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proud patriot  Lead Moderator Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Mon Jun-02-08 10:30 PM
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1. crap

One gets sort of a vague idea the primitives don't like democracy.
Title: Re: Gay marriage ban qualifies for California ballot
Post by: Rebel on June 03, 2008, 08:44:16 AM

One gets sort of a vague idea the primitives don't like democracy.

They're all for direct democracy, as seen in your "Primitives Boast Their Lack of Knowledge" thread, when it suits their needs. If it's an issue that the majority disagree with them on, then it's something that should be decided by "other" people because clearly, the people just don't know what's good for them like the DUmmies do.  :whatever:
Title: Re: Gay marriage ban qualifies for California ballot
Post by: Lauri on June 03, 2008, 08:46:04 AM

One gets sort of a vague idea the primitives don't like democracy.

They're all for direct democracy, as seen in your "Primitives Boast Their Lack of Knowledge" thread, when it suits their needs. If it's an issue that the majority disagree with them on, then it's something that should be decided by "other" people because clearly, the people just don't know what's good for them like the DUmmies do.  :whatever:


didnt the people of California already vote on this? and they voted it down?

now they have to vote against the legislature they voted into office?
Title: Re: Gay marriage ban qualifies for California ballot
Post by: Rebel on June 03, 2008, 08:47:40 AM
didnt the people of California already vote on this? and they voted it down?

now they have to vote against the legislature they voted into office?

Yes, and gay marriage will be voted down again.
Title: Re: Gay marriage ban qualifies for California ballot
Post by: Lord Undies on June 03, 2008, 08:55:11 AM

One gets sort of a vague idea the primitives don't like democracy.

They're all for direct democracy, as seen in your "Primitives Boast Their Lack of Knowledge" thread, when it suits their needs. If it's an issue that the majority disagree with them on, then it's something that should be decided by "other" people because clearly, the people just don't know what's good for them like the DUmmies do.  :whatever:

I know a dirty little secret about DUmmies and their ilk.  They don't give a damn about "gay marriage".  Their support for the cause does not spring from love for their homosexual brothers and sisters.  They have no higher ideas about equality for all.  

The DUmmies' crusade for homosexual marriage is born from hate, just like all their causes.  Their hate of Christianity, the United States, normality, decency, morality, and life itself is their driving force.  But they lie and deceive and paint their black hearts red in order to appear righteous in their support of evil.  They lie to themselves and to each other.  
Title: Re: Gay marriage ban qualifies for California ballot
Post by: Lauri on June 03, 2008, 08:57:07 AM
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"In my view, California should allow our gay and lesbian neighbors to call their unions marriage," Justice Carol A. Corrigan wrote in the first sentence of her dissent.

"But I, and this court, must acknowledge that a majority of Californians hold a different view and have explicitly said so by their vote. This court can overrule a vote of the people only if the Constitution compels us to do so. Here, the Constitution does not."

Justice Marvin R. Baxter, joined by Justice Ming W. Chin, said the ruling "creates the opportunity for further judicial extension of this perceived constitutional right into dangerous territory."

"Who can say that in 10, 15 or 20 years, an activist court might not rely on the majority's analysis to conclude, on the basis of a perceived evolution in community values, that the laws prohibiting polygamous and incestuous marriages were no longer constitutionally justified?" Baxter wrote.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-gaymarriage16-2008may16,0,6182317.story?page=2


Title: Re: Gay marriage ban qualifies for California ballot
Post by: Lauri on June 03, 2008, 08:58:52 AM
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City officials chose the first couples to wed, hoping their long unions and sympathetic stories would put a face on same-sex marriage that courts would find difficult to reject. The city also decided to begin the weddings on a day when courts were closed to deprive opponents of quick legal intervention. One of the first couples to wed has since separated.


so, the city officials chose the first couples to wed? that doesnt sound very progressive to me..
Title: Re: Gay marriage ban qualifies for California ballot
Post by: jukin on June 03, 2008, 09:10:41 AM

One gets sort of a vague idea the primitives don't like democracy.

They're all for direct democracy, as seen in your "Primitives Boast Their Lack of Knowledge" thread, when it suits their needs. If it's an issue that the majority disagree with them on, then it's something that should be decided by "other" people because clearly, the people just don't know what's good for them like the DUmmies do.  :whatever:


didnt the people of California already vote on this? and they voted it down?

now they have to vote against the legislature they voted into office?

Yes TWICE the people of california have spoken by landslides but that does not matter to our rulers in black.
Title: Re: Gay marriage ban qualifies for California ballot
Post by: Lauri on June 03, 2008, 09:12:29 AM

One gets sort of a vague idea the primitives don't like democracy.

They're all for direct democracy, as seen in your "Primitives Boast Their Lack of Knowledge" thread, when it suits their needs. If it's an issue that the majority disagree with them on, then it's something that should be decided by "other" people because clearly, the people just don't know what's good for them like the DUmmies do.  :whatever:


didnt the people of California already vote on this? and they voted it down?

now they have to vote against the legislature they voted into office?

Yes TWICE the people of california have spoken by landslides but that does not matter to our rulers in black.

its interesting to me that every state keeps voting it down by large percentages and yet - the courts keep forcing it back into the mix.

how many times does a population have to vote it down before the Supreme Court says 'enough!' ...?
Title: Re: Gay marriage ban qualifies for California ballot
Post by: franksolich on June 03, 2008, 09:27:34 AM
I know a dirty little secret about DUmmies and their ilk.  They don't give a damn about "gay marriage".  Their support for the cause does not spring from love for their homosexual brothers and sisters.  They have no higher ideas about equality for all. 

The DUmmies' crusade for homosexual marriage is born from hate, just like all their causes.  Their hate of Christianity, the United States, normality, decency, morality, and life itself is their driving force.  But they lie and deceive and paint their black hearts red in order to appear righteous in their support of evil.  They lie to themselves and to each other.

You're reading Sigmund Freud too, huh?
Title: Re: Gay marriage ban qualifies for California ballot
Post by: Lauri on June 03, 2008, 09:32:53 AM
from the DU thread:

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marshall 
58. I trust the people
   
In the end they will make the proper choice. That's what it's all about.

the people already voted on this - do you still trust them since they voted the other way?  :popcorn:
Title: Re: Gay marriage ban qualifies for California ballot
Post by: Lauri on June 03, 2008, 09:35:11 AM
another truism from the thread at DU:

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YvonneCa 
35. The problem is that this is what happened in the 2004 election. Gay marriage on the ballot brings out the Republican base to DEFEAT THE DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL candidate. In 2004 they used it in swing states...in 2008, it's California.

It's important to defeat it, but it will lead to a higher turnout of Repubs in California in November. :(

well, that just sucks! down with the voters!
Title: Re: Gay marriage ban qualifies for California ballot
Post by: Lord Undies on June 03, 2008, 09:37:44 AM
I know a dirty little secret about DUmmies and their ilk.  They don't give a damn about "gay marriage".  Their support for the cause does not spring from love for their homosexual brothers and sisters.  They have no higher ideas about equality for all. 

The DUmmies' crusade for homosexual marriage is born from hate, just like all their causes.  Their hate of Christianity, the United States, normality, decency, morality, and life itself is their driving force.  But they lie and deceive and paint their black hearts red in order to appear righteous in their support of evil.  They lie to themselves and to each other.

You're reading Sigmund Freud too, huh?

I have read very little Freud.  He and I have (had) the same gut instincts about humanity.  That's the dirty little secret about Freud.  Formal education was not the foundation of his observations or legacy.  It was gut instinct and a talent for expressing himself.
Title: Re: Gay marriage ban qualifies for California ballot
Post by: Texacon on June 03, 2008, 10:54:11 AM
It always amazes me how they try to turn this into EQUAL rights when in fact it is about SPECIAL rights.  The gays have the exact same right to marry that I do.

KC
Title: Re: Gay marriage ban qualifies for California ballot
Post by: jukin on June 03, 2008, 11:58:55 AM
It always amazes me how they try to turn this into EQUAL rights when in fact it is about SPECIAL rights.  The gays have the exact same right to marry that I do.

KC

Yes, we have gone from majority rule to the tyranny of rule by the minority.
Title: Re: Gay marriage ban qualifies for California ballot
Post by: Wretched Excess on June 03, 2008, 12:01:50 PM
I know a dirty little secret about DUmmies and their ilk.  They don't give a damn about "gay marriage".  Their support for the cause does not spring from love for their homosexual brothers and sisters.  They have no higher ideas about equality for all. 

The DUmmies' crusade for homosexual marriage is born from hate, just like all their causes.  Their hate of Christianity, the United States, normality, decency, morality, and life itself is their driving force.  But they lie and deceive and paint their black hearts red in order to appear righteous in their support of evil.  They lie to themselves and to each other.

You're reading Sigmund Freud too, huh?

I have read very little Freud.  He and I have (had) the same gut instincts about humanity.  That's the dirty little secret about Freud.  Formal education was not the foundation of his observations or legacy.  It was gut instinct and a talent for expressing himself.

I think it was actually all the cocaine.  srsly.
Title: Re: Gay marriage ban qualifies for California ballot
Post by: Wretched Excess on June 03, 2008, 12:03:17 PM


it will be on the ballot in november?  this is a good thingy;  this will drive our base to the polls in
droves.

Title: Re: Gay marriage ban qualifies for California ballot
Post by: Chris_ on June 03, 2008, 12:05:12 PM


it will be on the ballot in november?  this is a good thingy;  this will drive our base to the polls in
droves.


...and it will drain money from the liberal advertising campaign for Obamalamadingdong their candidate.
Title: Re: Gay marriage ban qualifies for California ballot
Post by: BlueStateSaint on June 03, 2008, 12:05:42 PM


it will be on the ballot in november?  this is a good thingy;  this will drive our base to the polls in
droves.



Agreed--and if McCain plays this one right, he'll win California.
Title: Re: Gay marriage ban qualifies for California ballot
Post by: Chris_ on June 03, 2008, 12:08:28 PM


it will be on the ballot in november?  this is a good thingy;  this will drive our base to the polls in
droves.



Agreed--and if McCain plays this one right, he'll win California.
...and it will be most entertaining to watch 'ol Bug-eyed Bella Pelosi explode.   :popcorn:
Title: Re: Gay marriage ban qualifies for California ballot
Post by: Wretched Excess on June 03, 2008, 12:10:01 PM


it will be on the ballot in november?  this is a good thingy;  this will drive our base to the polls in
droves.



Agreed--and if McCain plays this one right, he'll win California.

I have seen other completely sane people (:wink:) say that this is possible, too.  I suppose mccain
is sufficiently moderate/swartzenegger-like, and obama had obvious problems with hispanics
and asians in the primaries.

I would still fall over from the shock if it actually happened.
Title: Re: Gay marriage ban qualifies for California ballot
Post by: Wretched Excess on June 03, 2008, 12:10:33 PM


it will be on the ballot in november?  this is a good thingy;  this will drive our base to the polls in
droves.



Agreed--and if McCain plays this one right, he'll win California.
...and it will be most entertaining to watch 'ol Bug-eyed Bella Pelosi explode.   :popcorn:

not to mention barbara's boxers.
Title: Re: Gay marriage ban qualifies for California ballot
Post by: Rebel on June 03, 2008, 12:26:40 PM
Yes, we have gone from majority rule to the tyranny of rule by the minority.

We've never been based on the rule of the majority. We're a country that's "supposed" to be based on the rule of law. Unfortunately, the DUmptools have no understanding of the reasons for the founding of this country.
Title: Re: Gay marriage ban qualifies for California ballot
Post by: Bondai on June 03, 2008, 12:36:50 PM
Wasn't this ban approved by the voters already? and didn't the Kalifornia Supreme Court overturn the will of the people? What will keep them from doing it again?
Title: Re: Gay marriage ban qualifies for California ballot
Post by: mamacags on June 03, 2008, 12:45:56 PM
I don't know why normal people don't just run away from California as fast as they can and leave it to the idiots.
Title: Re: Gay marriage ban qualifies for California ballot
Post by: Wretched Excess on June 03, 2008, 12:47:41 PM
I don't know why normal people don't just run away from California as fast as they can and leave it to the idiots.

I think they have all moved to AZ and NV.  I know all the businesses have.
Title: Re: Gay marriage ban qualifies for California ballot
Post by: Lauri on June 03, 2008, 12:52:13 PM


it will be on the ballot in november?  this is a good thingy;  this will drive our base to the polls in
droves.




in reading the DU thread, they seem to think its a slam dunk since their state supreme court just barely went their way.

but they seem to either dont know, or have forgotten, that the public already voted this down already by a pretty hefty percentage - unless their side is going to overstuff ballot boxes like my state does.
Title: Re: Gay marriage ban qualifies for California ballot
Post by: Lauri on June 03, 2008, 12:55:16 PM


it will be on the ballot in november?  this is a good thingy;  this will drive our base to the polls in
droves.



Agreed--and if McCain plays this one right, he'll win California.

I have seen other completely sane people (:wink:) say that this is possible, too.  I suppose mccain
is sufficiently moderate/swartzenegger-like, and obama had obvious problems with hispanics
and asians in the primaries.

I would still fall over from the shock if it actually happened.


I had no idea Obama had such a problem in the Latino communities - those people will not vote for him, no matter what. Until Puerto Rico this past weekend, I was not aware that the black/latino communities are so racially divided against each other.

Of course, being a whitey, me and all other whities will get the blame for all the racism if Obama doesnt win.  :whatever:
Title: Re: Gay marriage ban qualifies for California ballot
Post by: Lauri on June 03, 2008, 12:56:19 PM
I don't know why normal people don't just run away from California as fast as they can and leave it to the idiots.

a lot of them have, but they are being replaced at a rate of 2:1 by illegals.

and hollyweird.
Title: Re: Gay marriage ban qualifies for California ballot
Post by: Wretched Excess on June 03, 2008, 12:57:27 PM


it will be on the ballot in november?  this is a good thingy;  this will drive our base to the polls in
droves.




in reading the DU thread, they seem to think its a slam dunk since their state supreme court just barely went their way.

but they seem to either dont know, or have forgotten, that the public already voted this down already by a pretty hefty percentage - unless their side is going to overstuff ballot boxes like my state does.

I see dead people . . . voting.
(http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlLA/i%20see%20dead%20people.jpg)
Title: Re: Gay marriage ban qualifies for California ballot
Post by: Wretched Excess on June 03, 2008, 12:59:49 PM


it will be on the ballot in november?  this is a good thingy;  this will drive our base to the polls in
droves.



Agreed--and if McCain plays this one right, he'll win California.

I have seen other completely sane people (:wink:) say that this is possible, too.  I suppose mccain
is sufficiently moderate/swartzenegger-like, and obama had obvious problems with hispanics
and asians in the primaries.

I would still fall over from the shock if it actually happened.


I had no idea Obama had such a problem in the Latino communities - those people will not vote for him, no matter what. Until Puerto Rico this past weekend, I was not aware that the black/latino communities are so racially divided against each other.

Of course, being a whitey, me and all other whities will get the blame for all the racism if Obama doesnt win.  :whatever:

I thought it really became obvious for the first time in CA.  I forget what the exits looked like, but they were alarming for BHO.  of course, that is when the alternative to obama was hillary, not mccain.  even though he is as soft as a marshmallow on immigration, I'm not sure that will actually translate to anything at the ballot box.

it's even more pronounced with asians.

Title: Re: Gay marriage ban qualifies for California ballot
Post by: Lauri on June 03, 2008, 01:03:35 PM
which makes me think that the conservative Dems wont have a problem at all voting for McCain, if Obama is their only choice.

this thing is going to be pretty bloody for Obama... and instead of it being about his own opinions and political ideas, it will be focused on our racism as a country.

and the Dems will beat that dead horse for another 40 years.  :whatever:
Title: Re: Gay marriage ban qualifies for California ballot
Post by: Wretched Excess on June 03, 2008, 01:06:41 PM
which makes me think that the conservative Dems wont have a problem at all voting for McCain, if Obama is their only choice.

this thing is going to be pretty bloody for Obama... and instead of it being about his own opinions and political ideas, it will be focused on our racism as a country.

and the Dems will beat that dead horse for another 40 years.  :whatever:

there is another dynamic at work, I think.  I wonder how many voters can be compelled to vote for BHO because they become indoctrinated by the MSM that to vote against him is racist, in and of itself.
Title: Re: Gay marriage ban qualifies for California ballot
Post by: BlueStateSaint on June 03, 2008, 01:25:52 PM


it will be on the ballot in november?  this is a good thingy;  this will drive our base to the polls in
droves.



Agreed--and if McCain plays this one right, he'll win California.

I have seen other completely sane people (:wink:) say that this is possible, too.  I suppose mccain
is sufficiently moderate/swartzenegger-like, and obama had obvious problems with hispanics
and asians in the primaries.

I would still fall over from the shock if it actually happened.

Obama's problems with Latinos, and the fact that McCain was the point man for immigration reform (it died, but he was for it) are going to sit rather well with the growing Latino voting bloc.  They don't forget things like that.
Title: Re: Gay marriage ban qualifies for California ballot
Post by: Wretched Excess on June 03, 2008, 01:31:17 PM


it will be on the ballot in november?  this is a good thingy;  this will drive our base to the polls in
droves.



Agreed--and if McCain plays this one right, he'll win California.

I have seen other completely sane people (:wink:) say that this is possible, too.  I suppose mccain
is sufficiently moderate/swartzenegger-like, and obama had obvious problems with hispanics
and asians in the primaries.

I would still fall over from the shock if it actually happened.

Obama's problems with Latinos, and the fact that McCain was the point man for immigration reform (it died, but he was for it) are going to sit rather well with the growing Latino voting bloc.  They don't forget things like that.

they also don't forget that he has an (R) next to his name.  although bush did get 45% of the latino vote in 2004, if memory serves.

Title: Re: Gay marriage ban qualifies for California ballot
Post by: VivisMom on June 03, 2008, 01:31:38 PM


it will be on the ballot in november?  this is a good thingy;  this will drive our base to the polls in
droves.



Agreed--and if McCain plays this one right, he'll win California.

I have seen other completely sane people (:wink:) say that this is possible, too.  I suppose mccain
is sufficiently moderate/swartzenegger-like, and obama had obvious problems with hispanics
and asians in the primaries.

I would still fall over from the shock if it actually happened.


I had no idea Obama had such a problem in the Latino communities - those people will not vote for him, no matter what. Until Puerto Rico this past weekend, I was not aware that the black/latino communities are so racially divided against each other.

Of course, being a whitey, me and all other whities will get the blame for all the racism if Obama doesnt win.  :whatever:

I didn't know that either, until I taught in a school that was 97% black. The kids used to call all Asians 'chinks' and all Hispanics 'spics.' None of them understood that those words were seen to be as offensive as '******.'

I'd be shocked if Obama won any states that have a heavy Latino or Asian population.
Title: Re: Gay marriage ban qualifies for California ballot
Post by: Lauri on June 03, 2008, 01:55:05 PM


it will be on the ballot in november?  this is a good thingy;  this will drive our base to the polls in
droves.



Agreed--and if McCain plays this one right, he'll win California.

I have seen other completely sane people (:wink:) say that this is possible, too.  I suppose mccain
is sufficiently moderate/swartzenegger-like, and obama had obvious problems with hispanics
and asians in the primaries.

I would still fall over from the shock if it actually happened.


I had no idea Obama had such a problem in the Latino communities - those people will not vote for him, no matter what. Until Puerto Rico this past weekend, I was not aware that the black/latino communities are so racially divided against each other.

Of course, being a whitey, me and all other whities will get the blame for all the racism if Obama doesnt win.  :whatever:

I didn't know that either, until I taught in a school that was 97% black. The kids used to call all Asians 'chinks' and all Hispanics 'spics.' None of them understood that those words were seen to be as offensive as '******.'

I'd be shocked if Obama won any states that have a heavy Latino or Asian population.

and that is the point Hilary has been trying to make the past few months: Obama hasnt carried any of them, she has.

but if you look closely at *why* she is carrying them, it appears that its because she is more centrist and conservative.
Title: Re: Gay marriage ban qualifies for California ballot
Post by: Wretched Excess on June 03, 2008, 01:56:34 PM


it will be on the ballot in november?  this is a good thingy;  this will drive our base to the polls in
droves.



Agreed--and if McCain plays this one right, he'll win California.

I have seen other completely sane people (:wink:) say that this is possible, too.  I suppose mccain
is sufficiently moderate/swartzenegger-like, and obama had obvious problems with hispanics
and asians in the primaries.

I would still fall over from the shock if it actually happened.


I had no idea Obama had such a problem in the Latino communities - those people will not vote for him, no matter what. Until Puerto Rico this past weekend, I was not aware that the black/latino communities are so racially divided against each other.

Of course, being a whitey, me and all other whities will get the blame for all the racism if Obama doesnt win.  :whatever:

I didn't know that either, until I taught in a school that was 97% black. The kids used to call all Asians 'chinks' and all Hispanics 'spics.' None of them understood that those words were seen to be as offensive as '******.'

I'd be shocked if Obama won any states that have a heavy Latino or Asian population.

and that is the point Hilary has been trying to make the past few months: Obama hasnt carried any of them, she has.

but if you look closely at *why* she is carrying them, it appears that its because she is more centrist and conservative.

it would be hard to be less centrist and conservative than BHO, the guy that wants to hike capital gains tax because of "fairness".

Title: Re: Gay marriage ban qualifies for California ballot
Post by: Wretched Excess on June 03, 2008, 02:13:03 PM


and that is the point Hilary has been trying to make the past few months: Obama hasnt carried any of them, she has.

but if you look closely at *why* she is carrying them, it appears that its because she is more centrist and conservative.

No, it is because she is not Black. 

Like some folks have pointed out, the Blacks and Latinos have been really going at it for the last 5-10 years.  Basically, welfare and entitlements and largess (such as government jobs) are seen as a zero-sum game, which used to be dominated by Blacks are now being taken over by Latinos.  This is mostly a rsult of demographics -- Blacks have remained a stable 11-12% of the population (from killing themselves in the womb), whereas the US Latino population is growing. 

Today in L.A., most traditional "Black" communities, like South Central, are now pretty much all Latino.


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Title: Re: Gay marriage ban qualifies for California ballot
Post by: Chris_ on June 03, 2008, 02:14:53 PM
Wasn't this ban approved by the voters already? and didn't the Kalifornia Supreme Court overturn the will of the people? What will keep them from doing it again?

The previous vote was in favor of legislation prohibiting gay marriage.  This one puts it into the state's Constitution.
Title: Re: Gay marriage ban qualifies for California ballot
Post by: Lauri on June 03, 2008, 03:14:16 PM


and that is the point Hilary has been trying to make the past few months: Obama hasnt carried any of them, she has.

but if you look closely at *why* she is carrying them, it appears that its because she is more centrist and conservative.

No, it is because she is not Black. 

Like some folks have pointed out, the Blacks and Latinos have been really going at it for the last 5-10 years.  Basically, welfare and entitlements and largess (such as government jobs) are seen as a zero-sum game, which used to be dominated by Blacks are now being taken over by Latinos.  This is mostly a rsult of demographics -- Blacks have remained a stable 11-12% of the population (from killing themselves in the womb), whereas the US Latino population is growing. 

Today in L.A., most traditional "Black" communities, like South Central, are now pretty much all Latino.


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ok, i will defer to your info... i honestly dont know much about the black or latino voting intricacies.. suffice it to say, with that many latinos in the country, I think Obama is pretty well cooked. California, Arizona and Texas alone wont have a choice if they vote so solidly together.
Title: Re: Gay marriage ban qualifies for California ballot
Post by: Texacon on June 03, 2008, 03:36:36 PM

I didn't know that either, until I taught in a school that was 97% black. The kids used to call all Asians 'chinks' and all Hispanics 'spics.' None of them understood that those words were seen to be as offensive as '******.'

I'd be shocked if Obama won any states that have a heavy Latino or Asian population.

Evidently not ..... The only word the filter took out and replaced with '******' was ******.  Spic and chink didn't get replaced ....    :mental:

KC
Title: Re: Gay marriage ban qualifies for California ballot
Post by: Wretched Excess on June 03, 2008, 03:39:30 PM

I didn't know that either, until I taught in a school that was 97% black. The kids used to call all Asians 'chinks' and all Hispanics 'spics.' None of them understood that those words were seen to be as offensive as '******.'

I'd be shocked if Obama won any states that have a heavy Latino or Asian population.

Evidently not ..... The only word the filter took out and replaced with '******' was ******.  Spic and chink didn't get replaced ....    :mental:

KC

offensive terms are highly subjective.  "spic" and "chink" just haven't made it to the censored word list yet.

Title: Re: Gay marriage ban qualifies for California ballot
Post by: Texacon on June 03, 2008, 03:49:03 PM

I didn't know that either, until I taught in a school that was 97% black. The kids used to call all Asians 'chinks' and all Hispanics 'spics.' None of them understood that those words were seen to be as offensive as '******.'

I'd be shocked if Obama won any states that have a heavy Latino or Asian population.

Evidently not ..... The only word the filter took out and replaced with '******' was ******.  Spic and chink didn't get replaced ....    :mental:

KC

offensive terms are highly subjective.  "spic" and "chink" just haven't made it to the censored word list yet.



So what you are saying is that; All words are equal but some words are more equal than others. 

Imagine that.

KC
Title: Re: Gay marriage ban qualifies for California ballot
Post by: Wretched Excess on June 03, 2008, 03:51:48 PM

I didn't know that either, until I taught in a school that was 97% black. The kids used to call all Asians 'chinks' and all Hispanics 'spics.' None of them understood that those words were seen to be as offensive as '******.'

I'd be shocked if Obama won any states that have a heavy Latino or Asian population.

Evidently not ..... The only word the filter took out and replaced with '******' was ******.  Spic and chink didn't get replaced ....    :mental:

KC

offensive terms are highly subjective.  "spic" and "chink" just haven't made it to the censored word list yet.



So what you are saying is that; All words are equal but some words are more equal than others. 

Imagine that.

KC

no, I am saying it's about more than pointless bitching.  are you requesting that "spic" and "chink" be added to the censored word list?
Title: Re: Gay marriage ban qualifies for California ballot
Post by: Rebel on June 03, 2008, 03:52:01 PM
So what you are saying is that; All words are equal but some words are more equal than others. 

Imagine that.

KC

You try putting your name on a board that allows racial terms to be used freely and see if you can financially withstand the juggernaut that is the minority-stroking media. I'd rather keep my money and not have to fight a bunch of f'n liberals in a slander, racism, or defamation suit.
Title: Re: Gay marriage ban qualifies for California ballot
Post by: Texacon on June 03, 2008, 06:09:33 PM

I didn't know that either, until I taught in a school that was 97% black. The kids used to call all Asians 'chinks' and all Hispanics 'spics.' None of them understood that those words were seen to be as offensive as '******.'

I'd be shocked if Obama won any states that have a heavy Latino or Asian population.

Evidently not ..... The only word the filter took out and replaced with '******' was ******.  Spic and chink didn't get replaced ....    :mental:

KC

offensive terms are highly subjective.  "spic" and "chink" just haven't made it to the censored word list yet.



So what you are saying is that; All words are equal but some words are more equal than others. 

Imagine that.

KC

no, I am saying it's about more than pointless bitching.  are you requesting that "spic" and "chink" be added to the censored word list?

You have obviously misunderstood me.  It is hard to convey a lot of stuff over the internet using the typed word.  I don't think ANY word should be censored.  While I don't condone the use of the word ****** I don't think it is any worse than spic or chink or kike or (insert your ethnic slur of choice).

I have seen people try to ban words in real life and I think it is one of the most horrible things I have ever seen.  It is nothing more or less egregious than those who would ban books.

Free speech means free speech and with it comes tremendous responsibility on the part of each of us.

I don't have the filter turned on on my account and the only way I knew it was filtered was Lauri's post below it.  I simply found it odd that that one word was filtered.  Are there any OTHER ethnic slurs filtered?  It is nothing more than a curiosity to me.  It is interesting how that one word has gained such notoriety when so many of those who use it are black.

KC
Title: Re: Gay marriage ban qualifies for California ballot
Post by: Chris_ on June 03, 2008, 06:14:24 PM
I don't know why normal people don't just run away from California as fast as they can and leave it to the idiots.

I think they have all moved to AZ and NV.  I know all the businesses have.
Quite a few of their high-tech businesses moved to Texas...Dallas, Austin, and Houston.
Title: Re: Gay marriage ban qualifies for California ballot
Post by: Texacon on June 03, 2008, 06:14:44 PM
So what you are saying is that; All words are equal but some words are more equal than others. 

Imagine that.

KC

You try putting your name on a board that allows racial terms to be used freely and see if you can financially withstand the juggernaut that is the minority-stroking media. I'd rather keep my money and not have to fight a bunch of f'n liberals in a slander, racism, or defamation suit.

I have no problem with what you are saying and as it stands .... I am probably one of the most PUBLIC folks on this board.  I pick and choose carefully what I say and to whom I say it for this reason.  I simply think it odd that that one word was 'censored' by the filter.

If someone who has their filter on would be so kind as to respond to my post I would love to see if whitey is censored.  Cracker, honky, wasp, ..... any others?

Rebel, what I'm saying is I found it interesting that the only racial slur of 3 posted that was filtered was ******.  I don't care what people are typing.  I think they should exercise caution and common sense but I don't care what they type.  What would be interesting to know is what racial slurs are censored.

For the rest of my explanation see the post above.

KC
Title: Re: Gay marriage ban qualifies for California ballot
Post by: Rebel on June 03, 2008, 06:40:09 PM
..and you're right. Aside from a post made in the past by, I "think" Sam Fisher AKA Rebel Yell, adding "Spic" or "Chink" to the censor list just never crossed my mind when I set up the censor list, and like you, my box is checked "Leave words uncensored".

BTW, don't know if you follow what CAIR is trying to do to Michael Savage, but that's a road I'm not financially able to travel down at this point in time. Liberals will pool millions and millions to take WE and myself to the cleaners. Doesn't matter if they win, we'll be ruined nonetheless and since there is no loser-pays system in place, we'll be royally ****ed.
Title: Re: Gay marriage ban qualifies for California ballot
Post by: Rebel on June 03, 2008, 06:44:49 PM
...another thing being that the liberal black population is about the most sensitive group in the country, only matched by the gays. I doubt we'll see a bunch of Asians trying to sue anyone for someone posting "chink" on their board. Same with the Hispanics.....at least now.
Title: Re: Gay marriage ban qualifies for California ballot
Post by: Chris_ on June 03, 2008, 06:51:25 PM
...another thing being that the liberal black population is about the most sensitive group in the country, only matched by the gays. I doubt we'll see a bunch of Asians trying to sue anyone for someone posting "chink" on their board. Same with the Hispanics.....at least now.

The word "niggardly" has been removed from our language and there is no replacement. 
Title: Re: Gay marriage ban qualifies for California ballot
Post by: Rebel on June 03, 2008, 06:56:56 PM
The word "niggardly" has been removed from our language and there is no replacement. 

That was a STUPID f'n mistake. I think they're trying to get "negroid" removed as well. I.e. Negroid, Caucasoid, Mongoloid.

Hey, I don't like being associated with anything as close as a Hemorrhoid either, but hey, it's biology.
Title: Re: Gay marriage ban qualifies for California ballot
Post by: Chris_ on June 03, 2008, 11:08:38 PM
We Californians voted on this a few years ago, the measure, which defined marriage as being between one man and one woman passed overwhelmingly.