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Current Events => The DUmpster => The DUmping Ground => Topic started by: franksolich on December 22, 2012, 12:59:27 PM
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Congratulations to Systematic Chaos, the #08 Top DUmmie of 2012, and so well-deserved!
This year’s award matches the Las Vegas Leviathan’s performance in 2009, in which he was also #08 Top DUmmie of that year.
The Las Vegas Leviathan is circa 44 years old, and lives in Las Vegas, where he once worked as a card-dealer in a casino. Unfortunately, one of the fringe benefits of working there was that one could get all one wished to eat from the casino kitchen, and the Las Vegas Leviathan grew rather enormous, until he couldn’t work any more, as the casino ran out of space in the basement to set up 4x4 posts to support the floor underneath him.
The Las Vegas Leviathan has lost weight since, and can be viewed on various youtubes here:
http://www.youtube.com/user/PlantBasedWeightLoss/videos
The Las Vegas Leviathan is married to Jeanette, who supports him, along with the rest of we taxpayers, because he adamantly refuses to go back to working for a living, despite all the encouragement, helpful hints, and job-leads that have been posted for him here in the DUmpster.
He and Jeanette have a roommate, “Joe,†who ostensibly is behemothic in girth too. Joe’s relationship to the pair remains a mystery; perhaps the Las Vegas Leviathan owes him something, I dunno.
There’s good reason to suspect that during the height of his tonnage, the Las Vegas Leviathan developed agoraphobia, the morbid fear of going out into the world, as he does seem to spend all his days and nights sequestered in that dark, cramped, windowless apartment, playing computer games.
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The Las Vegas Leviathan is one of the very few primitives who actually came here to conservativecave and registered and posted. It’s nothing for decent and civilized people to go and hang around primitive message-boards, but for a primitive to come to a message-board habituated by decent and civilized people, well, that takes a great deal of courage on the part of the primitive, given that the primitives tend to turn hostile towards other primitives who’ve made contact with “the other side.â€
His social intercourse with us can be found here:
http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,81605.0.html
It’s long, but it’s well worth reading.
However, the Las Vegas Leviathan stopped commenting after the thread was moved from the DUmpster to the Mind-Numbing Stupidity forum; perhaps he thought he was being insulted with that move, but there was another reason for it; to make lurking primitives aware that there’s s-o-o-o-o-o much more to conservativecave than just the Dumpster; there’s, like, about 60 other forums here.
Primitives, when coming over here, dash immediately to the DUmpster, paying no attention at all to all the good material, the wealth of information, that’s to be found in other forums on this site.
The primitives really need to acquire a broader world-view, to explore new things and new ideas.
One supposes one could point out that the primitives are narcissists, small-minded people interested only in reading about their own selves, and so the rest of conservativecave couldn’t possibly interest them.
True, the primitives are narcissists, interested only in their own selves, but it needs pointed out that the primitives from Skins’s island are discussed in forums on conservativecave other than just the DUmpster.
For example, there’s a thread in another forum here, in which individual primitives are described and discussed; the thread was started just a few days ago, and last I checked, it had 4,009 views and 1,314 comments. It’s full of all sorts of spicy, juicy, crunchy details.
The primitives have no idea how much they’re missing out on, but that’s what happens when one goes around life voluntarily wearing blinders on the sides of both eyes, going to only one forum here.
Too bad for the primitives.
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One of the Las Vegas Leviathan’s pet causes on Skins’s island is the environment; he’s all for the environment and against anything that harms it.
And here one must embark upon description of a rather, uh, delicate subject.
The subject might be offensive to some--if not many--and so if one’s the sensitive sort, franksolich suggests one quit reading now, and go on to reading something else.
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When franksolich was in college, there was a free “underground†Marxist-Leninist-Trotskyite newspaper in Lincoln, Nebraska, the now-defunct Lincoln Gazette. It was passed out by a bunch of ageing hippies, and decent and civilized people ate it up…..for amusement and entertainment.
One time there was a cartoon in this newspaper, a picture of a man standing by a mountain of…..something.
The text to the cartoon mentioned that the average human being disgorges 11,000 pounds of solid wastes in his life-time.
That’s a lot of shit.
The newspaper gave no source for that assertion, but I filed it away in the memory in case it might be useful some day. And so now it has, thirty years later, after I began wondering a few years ago how much chow the Las Vegas Leviathan was porking down. What goes in must come out, after all.
And the Las Vegas Leviathan has wolfed down a lot, in his life.
I was however bothered that there had been no source for that long-ago Marxist-Leninist-Trotskyite allegation, and so had to nadin the matter. Gingerly and with much paranoia, lest Google think franksolich has a “thing†about the stuff, and Barack Milhous’s internet police categorize franksolich as an, uh, individual with peculiar tastes.
Well, I can report that the long-ago assertion is probably true, given that such nadined sources quote anywhere between 9,000 and 13,000 pounds as the “average†of excreted human solid-wastes.
Okay, that’s the “average†person; but what of an individual who’s eaten considerably more than the “average†person? Surely the Las Vegas Leviathan’s put down enough to feed an army.
My God, he’s probably pumped out a whole Mount Everest of it.
And so one’s aghastly compelled to ask, how’s that being good to the environment?
Alas, poor overburdened Mother Gaia!
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Congratulations Kirk! :cheersmate:
Will you be over to accept in person? One hopes so.
One point, Franksolich says:
Unfortunately, one of the fringe benefits of working there was that one could get all one wished to eat from the casino kitchen, and the Las Vegas Leviathan grew rather enormous, until he couldn’t work any more, as the casino ran out of space in the basement to set up 4x4 posts to support the floor underneath him.
I'm sure under the Americans with Self-Inflicted Disabilities Act you could have forced the casino to use titanium springs to prop up the floor under your feet. Or maybe even massive airflow turbines inserted in your path that would have allowed you float above the floor and dealer table. Oy vey! the missed opportunities. We all have them.
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Shorten your damn videos, lard ass. Oh, and your life is what you make of it. I hope Jeanette leaves your sorry ass, and FORCES you to fend for yourself.
Oh, and Congratulations.
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Way to go Kirk. You got your name in lights, albeit, itty bitty ones.
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Congratulations to Systematic Chaos, the #08 Top DUmmie of 2012, and so well-deserved!
SWEET! (I guess?) :naughty:
This year’s award matches the Las Vegas Leviathan’s performance in 2009, in which he was also #08 Top DUmmie of that year.
Bout damn time.
The Las Vegas Leviathan is circa 44 years old, and lives in Las Vegas, where he once worked as a card-dealer in a casino. Unfortunately, one of the fringe benefits of working there was that one could get all one wished to eat from the casino kitchen, and the Las Vegas Leviathan grew rather enormous, until he couldn’t work any more, as the casino ran out of space in the basement to set up 4x4 posts to support the floor underneath him.
The free employee dining halls were pretty much a given in the days of "Mob Vegas", but in my time in the gaming industry that was mostly not the case.
My first blackjack dealing job was during 1991-92 at an Indian gaming casino near Minneapolis, MN. I don't believe we even got an employee discount on the food there, so what me and many of my friends would do was hit a drive-thru on the way to work and nosh in the car during the 20 mile drive. When I started doing the casino thing again, it was 1997-99 in a town about 60 miles west of Vegas, called Pahrump. That's where some of the famous prostitution houses in Nevada are, though there are others. Anyway, at one casino we got no food benefit whatsoever, and at the other one we got a $4 credit towards the purchase of food in the food court or what back then was a Kenny Rogers' Roasters. As I was trying to be weight conscious during this time, my $4 was always spent on either a veggie sub from Blimpies, or once a week I would treat myself to some very high-fat but delicious corn muffins from Kenny Rogers. I still had to front about $1.50 for my sandwich, but the $4 covered the muffins okay.
At my final job, at what is now the site of the City Center and Aria resort, for the first couple of years there was a -- rather nasty -- open employee buffet table. Some things from there were okay to eat, but with others you just wanted to strangle the kitchen staff for not getting rid of obviously old food, or stuff which was just sub-par to begin with. Towards the end, that was replaced with these hideous vending machines which a local company stocked with various items from sandwiches to cups of ramen to various other cheap crap. We were all given a plastic card which we could load with a paltry $2.50 credit per day. Anything over that had to come from out of our pockets. It was hideous and needless to say I usually brought food from home. The point to all of this is that you may all rest assured that during those times when depression, health issues and the side effects of a cocktail of prescription meds drove me to want to eat myself to death, it was pretty much entirely on my own dime.
The Las Vegas Leviathan has lost weight since, and can be viewed on various youtubes here:
http://www.youtube.com/user/PlantBasedWeightLoss/videos
Hey, Frank and the rest of you who hate my dark glasses: Jeanette took my normal pair to Wal-Mart and got new nose guards put on my 10-year-old glasses. Neither of us could get those teeny screws into those teeny holes, so a kind store employee fixed them up. Entirely inadequate vision correction this late in the game, and sure the frick can't afford new ones (either of us), but this is a start! So in any new videos you doubtlessly won't watch anyway, at least you'll be able to see my peepers, and I won't look like an evil Socialist spy. Or something.
The Las Vegas Leviathan is married to Jeanette, who supports him, along with the rest of we taxpayers, because he adamantly refuses to go back to working for a living, despite all the encouragement, helpful hints, and job-leads that have been posted for him here in the DUmpster.
We've gone to great lengths to explain the pain, mobility and circulation issues I have. They're not a joke. Neither is not being able to even do things I like to do for fun for more than short periods without being interrupted by pain. Neither is barely even being able to make it from the bedroom to the bathroom at this point. The constant fear that I'm going to end up losing at least part of one or both legs eventually, and being unable to get regular medical attention for any of the remaining problems I still have, is terrifying. And finally, trying to live on less than $1200 a month, plus some SNAP benefits, blows. I did some scrap paper calculations a while back and figure that each American taxpayer is fronting about six ten-thousandths of a penny per month, or $0.000006 per month to keep me at a level of bare existence. That's the disability and the food stamps, by the way. Mea maxima culpa. Really.
He and Jeanette have a roommate, “Joe,†who ostensibly is behemothic in girth too. Joe’s relationship to the pair remains a mystery; perhaps the Las Vegas Leviathan owes him something, I dunno.
Long story as short as I can make it: I've known Joe since I worked at a 7-11 just after my 21st birthday. We became very good friends, because Joe has a heart of gold and you couldn't ask for a better friend. He has a lot of positives, but he also has a lot of emotional baggage. Way more than even I have at this point, because he's resisted (or simply isn't able) trying to work his issues out. He is a veteran of the Air Force and is now nearly 60 years old. However, he also suffers from emotional eating/food addiction, and developed congestive heart failure a few years back which left him also unable to work. We took him in so that he wouldn't die on the streets, because that's exactly what would have happened otherwise. We helped him apply for disability and got him on the road to help through the VA to get his heart failure under control. There is a lot to this story, and my fingers are starting to cramp, so I'm not going to get into the whole thing now. But for now I will say that once Jeanette is over the valley fever infection and can get a job and give up the county medical benefits, we'll be looking into moving out on our own. Joe would do very well in some 55+ housing, with the help of home health care. But Jeanette and I want to have our complete privacy back, as well as the ability to make decisions about where to go and where to live without having to worry about the welfare of another person.
There’s good reason to suspect that during the height of his tonnage, the Las Vegas Leviathan developed agoraphobia, the morbid fear of going out into the world, as he does seem to spend all his days and nights sequestered in that dark, cramped, windowless apartment, playing computer games.
Nope, no agoraphobia. And lots of bright afternoon sun, which is great during the cooler months anyway.
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The Las Vegas Leviathan is one of the very few primitives who actually came here to conservativecave and registered and posted. It’s nothing for decent and civilized people to go and hang around primitive message-boards, but for a primitive to come to a message-board habituated by decent and civilized people, well, that takes a great deal of courage on the part of the primitive, given that the primitives tend to turn hostile towards other primitives who’ve made contact with “the other side.â€
Luckily, there are only about a dozen DU'ers who I have any personal association with, and while I haven't asked them personally, I doubt they would harbor any resentment towards me for the exchanges we are having here.
His social intercourse with us can be found here:
http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,81605.0.html
It’s long, but it’s well worth reading.
However, the Las Vegas Leviathan stopped commenting after the thread was moved from the DUmpster to the Mind-Numbing Stupidity forum; perhaps he thought he was being insulted with that move, but there was another reason for it; to make lurking primitives aware that there’s s-o-o-o-o-o much more to conservativecave than just the Dumpster; there’s, like, about 60 other forums here.
Primitives, when coming over here, dash immediately to the DUmpster, paying no attention at all to all the good material, the wealth of information, that’s to be found in other forums on this site.
The primitives really need to acquire a broader world-view, to explore new things and new ideas.
One supposes one could point out that the primitives are narcissists, small-minded people interested only in reading about their own selves, and so the rest of conservativecave couldn’t possibly interest them.
True, the primitives are narcissists, interested only in their own selves, but it needs pointed out that the primitives from Skins’s island are discussed in forums on conservativecave other than just the DUmpster.
It's the holidays, and we've been trying to spend a lot of time talking with family and doing things together to have fun and enjoy ourselves. As for moving the other thread into Mind Numbing Stupidity, that was expected at some point I suppose. My goal in posting here is to refrain completely from such common labels as "stupid", "ignorant", or what have you. To me, it just gets old lately, and it's not worth spending so much emotional energy to maintain that degree of negativity. One thing about my time in the casino business is that any and every aspect of my being was regularly assaulted and insulted by drunk, belligerent patrons. I've heard it all by now, and then some. And honestly I just don't care anymore.
For example, there’s a thread in another forum here, in which individual primitives are described and discussed; the thread was started just a few days ago, and last I checked, it had 4,009 views and 1,314 comments. It’s full of all sorts of spicy, juicy, crunchy details.
The primitives have no idea how much they’re missing out on, but that’s what happens when one goes around life voluntarily wearing blinders on the sides of both eyes, going to only one forum here.
Too bad for the primitives.
There is more on the DU than I can possibly take in at any given time. Add in YouTube, other forums I'm interested in and now this one, and the saying about there only being so much time in a day definitely comes into play. But rest assured that I do check out other forums from time to time even if I don't actively contribute.
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One of the Las Vegas Leviathan’s pet causes on Skins’s island is the environment; he’s all for the environment and against anything that harms it.
And here one must embark upon description of a rather, uh, delicate subject.
The subject might be offensive to some--if not many--and so if one’s the sensitive sort, franksolich suggests one quit reading now, and go on to reading something else.
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When franksolich was in college, there was a free “underground†Marxist-Leninist-Trotskyite newspaper in Lincoln, Nebraska, the now-defunct Lincoln Gazette. It was passed out by a bunch of ageing hippies, and decent and civilized people ate it up…..for amusement and entertainment.
One time there was a cartoon in this newspaper, a picture of a man standing by a mountain of…..something.
The text to the cartoon mentioned that the average human being disgorges 11,000 pounds of solid wastes in his life-time.
That’s a lot of shit.
The newspaper gave no source for that assertion, but I filed it away in the memory in case it might be useful some day. And so now it has, thirty years later, after I began wondering a few years ago how much chow the Las Vegas Leviathan was porking down. What goes in must come out, after all.
And the Las Vegas Leviathan has wolfed down a lot, in his life.
I was however bothered that there had been no source for that long-ago Marxist-Leninist-Trotskyite allegation, and so had to nadin the matter. Gingerly and with much paranoia, lest Google think franksolich has a “thing†about the stuff, and Barack Milhous’s internet police categorize franksolich as an, uh, individual with peculiar tastes.
Well, I can report that the long-ago assertion is probably true, given that such nadined sources quote anywhere between 9,000 and 13,000 pounds as the “average†of excreted human solid-wastes.
Okay, that’s the “average†person; but what of an individual who’s eaten considerably more than the “average†person? Surely the Las Vegas Leviathan’s put down enough to feed an army.
My God, he’s probably pumped out a whole Mount Everest of it.
And so one’s aghastly compelled to ask, how’s that being good to the environment?
Alas, poor overburdened Mother Gaia!
All I can say in response to all of this is: Since switching to a plant- and starch-based diet, the great increase in the amount of fiber renders my, uh, movements to be a lot more fluffy and potentially damaging to plumbing than they were even when I ate triple the mass of junk and processed foods every day. But as Dr. McDougall points out in one of his books, the bigger and easier to pass the bowel movements, the better the overall health of the person. Besides, I think Mother Earth is far less concerned with my brown rice, oatmeal and potato poops than she is with the incredible waste of water and other resources involved with, say, the raising, butchering and sale of various livestock.
Well, I guess in closing I will say that my "award" was an entertaining read! I'll be sure to try even harder in 2013 to shoot for the top of the list. :-)
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"I did some scrap paper calculations a while back and figure that each American taxpayer is fronting about six ten-thousandths of a penny per month, or $0.000006 per month to keep me at a level of bare existence."
Still seems like a terrible waste! You ate yourself into bare existence and because of that we all have to support you for the rest of your unproductive existence? Evidently you can use the keyboard. Get a ****in job!
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Whoa.
Whoa.
Whoa.
Never in the entire history of the Top DUmmies, never among the scores and scores of primitives who've been honored, has a winner arrived in person to pick up his award.
This is a most singular event.
One doesn't know what to think; on one hand, the Las Vegas Leviathan's attitudes and values and politics are both abysmal and abominable, loathesome and despicable, contemptible and detestable.....but then on the other hand, for a primitive, it takes a great deal of courage and fortitude to come here publicly.
And it happened on franksolich's watch.
You know, franksolich, the bete noire of the primitives; franksolich, who's a nice guy, one of the nicest guys one can ever hope to meet, but on whom the primitives have placed a mantle as their Scourge, their Prince of Darkness, their Great Satan.....even though he's only a rather ordinary average sort of person.
I don't know what to think.
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Congrats!
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Gotta admit, Kirk has a sense of humor. :rotf:
Welcome back, Kirk. Have a Merry Christmas.
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Meh.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Work+from+home&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
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Congrats Kirk! and I hope you and Jeannette have a wonderful Christmas.
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Yeah Kirk, but multiply that "pittance" by 100-120 million freeloaders, and those of us who WORK for a living instead of bitching and whining how little we get from "da gub'mint" get a little pissed off.
No, you are NOT entitled to my wages. Get off your ****ing ass and make your own way, or perish. Such is the way of the world--or will be when the sugar teat runs out soon enough.
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Bravo, Kirk!
Well played, sir, well played!
:-)
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Credit given where credit is due Kirk. :cheersmate:
You are so close to escaping all that enslaves you to the government teat.
Life won`t be easier but much more satisfying if you can make yourself do it.
A genuinely wished Merry Christmas and hope that 2013 is the year you completely take your life back in to your own hands.
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the incredible waste of water
I get the biggest kick out of this special kind of stupidity. Are they pumping the water into spaceships and launching it into outer space? :lmao:
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Limp wristed endless self reflection with a mouth on excuse making overdrive for how mistaken we are for why to the rest of the world we'd see a pile of dust more useful then a society parasite. How the hell did you come out from working in an air conditioned casino in worse shape then most our returning soldiers. I know somebody real well who's so damn big he's three of me, and on a near daily basis he's crawling under a truck and generally sweating his ass off (and yet surprisingly its still there) for a farm. What makes him so special as to not feel pain in his knees, joints, etc? You look tired to the point of wanting to pass out while doing your webcast. Have a cup of coffee...You seem like an intelligent person who's talked himself out of everything. Gave up on life. You talk about the dangers of someone enabling you to be fat, how about being a cop out and loser. Is this how you want to remember yourself? Knee braces...From a religious perspective I'd say you have allowed demons to suppress the crap out of you and I'd start praying immediately to alleviate whatever pain you have.
In case you're not religious at least change your diet. A diet is not supposed to kill you or make you so tired you wish you were dead. Fat and protein are your friends, gluten and carbs in general (except vegetables) are your enemy. 45 minutes of light cardio in the morning before you consume a calorie. Drink water. An additional 15 minutes of light cardio at night. Eat sensibly and not 2 hours before bed. You'll lose all the weight you can stand. Anyway, you're not interested in any of what I just wrote because you're going to go through life continuing to avoid solutions to the comfort of your problems................................................. :banghead:
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Congrats Kirk!!!
A well deserved HI5 for coming here and accepting. I truly do wish you well on losing weight and getting your life on track. Merry Christmas to you and your family.
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Congrats Kirk!!!
A well deserved HI5 for coming here and accepting. I truly do wish you well on losing weight and getting your life on track. Merry Christmas to you and your family.
Same from here.
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Congrats Kirk!!!
A well deserved HI5 for coming here and accepting. I truly do wish you well on losing weight and getting your life on track. Merry Christmas to you and your family.
Ditto. Merry Christmas and good luck on your continuing weight loss.
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Congrats Kirk!!! :cheersmate: :cheersmate:
Merry Christmas sir. I hope the new year turns out well for you and yours.
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Merry Christmas Kirk.
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Merry Christmas to you and your family.
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The LVL is a self-confirmed parasite, determined to remain a parasite, much like a flea on a flea-infested dog.
His only redeeming feature is that his enormous mass of taxpayer-financed blubber has put an intolerable burden on his cardiovascular system, so it's highly likely that he'll expire very, very soon.
Like killing a single flea on a dog, the passing of a single parasite like the Lardass will yield a benefit to society perhaps too small to notice.
But just like ridding a dog of that single flea, there will be a measure of satisfaction.
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The LVL is a self-confirmed parasite, determined to remain a parasite, much like a flea on a flea-infested dog.
His only redeeming feature is that his enormous mass of taxpayer-financed blubber has put an intolerable burden on his cardiovascular system, so it's highly likely that he'll expire very, very soon.
Like killing a single flea on a dog, the passing of a single parasite like the Lardass will yield a benefit to society perhaps too small to notice.
But just like ridding a dog of that single flea, there will be a measure of satisfaction.
He has another one.
Jeanette is forced to work and pay taxes.
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Kirk, I'm going to commend you for having the stones to come over here and interact - especially as it applies to your "award".
That's as far as my praise goes.
Pay attention, though, this may just save your life.
We've gone to great lengths to explain the pain, mobility and circulation issues I have. They're not a joke. Neither is not being able to even do things I like to do for fun for more than short periods without being interrupted by pain. Neither is barely even being able to make it from the bedroom to the bathroom at this point. The constant fear that I'm going to end up losing at least part of one or both legs eventually, and being unable to get regular medical attention for any of the remaining problems I still have, is terrifying.
There is an honest, no kidding, reason you have mounds of loose skin, sores, leg pain, "circulation issues", joint issues, bowel issues, etc. It is as follows:
Since switching to a plant- and starch-based diet...
Kirk, get the **** off of that diet. Your body is meant to consume animal fats and proteins. Human beings are omnivores, not herbivores. You are doing a ton of damage to your kidneys and liver by consuming nothing but plant toxins and complex carbs. Minus the animal fats and proteins, your body is consuming muscle along with the fat (more muscle than fat, actually) and you are frigging up your joints with the plant toxins to the point where they are hurting you. Get the hell off of that diet and some of your problems will start to disappear. If you are afraid of beef, then eat chicken. Don't like that? Eat fish. You can get healthy cuts of lean protein for not very much money and start to bring your body back into some kind of balance. Otherwise, Dr. McDougall's fad diet and encouragement for your shit to be big enough to clog a standard toilet is going to kill you.
The second part is to get off of your ass and push through the pain until you get the rust out of your joints! Yeah, it's going to hurt a lot. Getting muscles moving and strengthening that haven't been used in a long time is going to involve pain. Lots of pain and soreness. But it will go away after you break up that crap in your joints and muscle tissue. Start with a small goal and work from there, just like you described before when you lived (I believe) in a trailer park. Your body will remember what that was like and it will respond to it by hardening the muscles and restarting the making of the correct hormones to sustain it.
Feel free to PM me and ask me how I know these things...
I've known Joe since I worked at a 7-11 just after my 21st birthday...
We took him in so that he wouldn't die on the streets, because that's exactly what would have happened otherwise. We helped him apply for disability and got him on the road to help through the VA to get his heart failure under control.
...but he also has a lot of emotional baggage...
...he's resisted (or simply isn't able) trying to work his issues out...
...he also suffers from emotional eating/food addiction, and developed congestive heart failure a few years back...
At some point, you have to figure out that unless someone is willing to help themselves, there is no helping them. You and your wife are this man's crutch just as your "pain" is yours. Like you, until someone kicks that crutch out from under them, they will always use it; water and electricity seek the path of least resistance and so will people unless you make them uncomfortable enough to change. That's not cruel, that is the truth. Some people can be emotional vampires and they will use you until you are just as miserable and low as they are.
You want to get this man help out of the kindness of your heart and loyalty to a friend, that's good and the way it should be. What you are doing now is not help and it will not change until it is forced or he makes you into what he is by wearing you out emotionally. That's how these things work, it is only human nature.
And finally, trying to live on less than $1200 a month, plus some SNAP benefits, blows. I did some scrap paper calculations a while back and figure that each American taxpayer is fronting about six ten-thousandths of a penny per month, or $0.000006 per month to keep me at a level of bare existence. That's the disability and the food stamps, by the way. Mea maxima culpa. Really.
It doesn't matter how many thousandths of a penny per month your take makes up. It really doesn't. A drop of water is a billionth of the total volume in a five gallon bucket, but enough of them will fill up the bucket. Seeing only yourself and not the greater picture of how many drops of water are leaving the bucket as opposed to how many are going in is the height of "I got mine". There is a reason I called you "the taker", Kirk, and this makes my point writ large by the very person I directed it towards.
I don't think you realize what it is you have done by coming here and having the very "conservative monsters" your side makes us out as trying to motivate you to do better. Do you know how close you truly are to setting yourself free by taking that one step? Do you know how many successful people you have access to who will be more than happy to guide you for nothing in return but to see you succeed and put water back into the bucket?
I want to point something out to you: "trying to live on less than $1200 a month, plus some SNAP benefits, blows". You have been made a terrified slave, Kirk. You have sold your pride, manhood, and life for "less than $1200 a month, plus some SNAP benefits". My God, man! Don't you see what you have turned yourself into? Don't you realize that you were handed an opportunity by Evil Conservative to drag yourself out of the mire and take the first steps away from the chains you forged for yourself? A job, with benefits, and a reference on the inside? How many excuses were made by both yourself and your wife as to why you didn't bother to investigate it further? So you could hang on to the crumbs given to you from the table of the very greedy ass politicians you support? And what happens when they don't have enough of other people's money to keep handing it to you? There's a reason we try to tell you that a government big enough to give it to you is big enough to take it away. There's a reason we don't rely on them for our daily sustenance beyond our pride in self sufficiency.
BTW, spare me the sarcastic apology. I gave 22 years of my life for you to have the "freedom" to hurt yourself, apply for and receive "benefits" on my dime, whine about the results and give back "Mea maxima culpa. Really". I am sporting a 60% disability rating from the VA, Kirk. My rating is for things like shoulders, feet, knees, various surgeries, hearing loss, severe tinnitus, etc and I drag my ass out of the door every day and make a living for my family in addition to diet and exercise to try and keep myself healthy. I am also looking for ways to augment my income with more work in what little spare time I have and the best you can give me is that bullshit? Still wonder why someone like me is more than a little pissed off by those who make more effort in excuses than in actual productive results?
You're going to have to want things to get better, Kirk, and you're going to have to expend some mighty effort to keep them that way once it starts moving in the right direction. The good news is that the mighty effort will become habit once you get through the initial "pain" of something new. You won't always win, it won't be easy, there will be setbacks, but losing weight should have shown you that life lesson already.
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To piggyback the pain part, there's an old slogan; "Pain is weakness leaving the body".
The more it hurts initially, the more it'll help in the long run.
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To piggyback the pain part, there's an old slogan; "Pain is weakness leaving the body".
The more it hurts initially, the more it'll help in the long run.
Once a knee or other joint has no cartilage left, trying to use it further won't help. I do get up on my feet at least a dozen times every day, and I spend at least a few more minutes than is absolutely necessary for what it is I'm aiming to do -- i.e. going to the bathroom, fetching a drink or some food from the fridge, or whatever.
The bottom line is that as much as I'm trying to fight it, the pain is not improving. In fact it is steadily worsening. Back when I weighed in the 500 range, I could stand on either foot (albeit braced against a wall or table or something) to put on or take off pants or undies without undue pain. Supporting my weight wasn't easy, but it wasn't painful.
I found out my knee was getting severely bad when Jeanette was in the hospital for nearly two days, getting tests done and confirming her diagnosis of the valley fever. I was coming back from getting myself a drink from the kitchen when, halfway back to the bedroom, I had an almost blinding flash of pain from the bones in my right knee. Had it not been for the fact that the sink counter was to one side and the bedroom doorknob to the other, I'd have gone down flat on my face. I dropped the drink container, steadied myself against the sink counter, and waited for some of the pain to subside. I literally hobbled into the bedroom with the retrieved drink bottle under one arm, and both hands bracing against walls, tables and anything else I could use to minimize the weight on that knee.
This has continued to happen, although learning to keep that right knee rigidly locked has helped with the buckling, but the pain is at times excruciating. No exaggeration. Excruciating. I can sit here, and without really thinking about it, slide my right foot a couple of inches to try and make myself more comfortable, and sometimes the volume of the pop from that knee is almost as loud as a pencil snapping in half or a soda can opening. I wake up in bed several times a night, having to try and adjust my position, with so much pain in this knee that I'm struggling not to yell out loud. It's at its worst when I try to sleep on my side, which is my favorite way to sleep. So, I'm forced to try and keep on my back, which is my least favorite way to sleep, but at least then the pain is not as bad. My knee joint is shot. There is no other explanation. And while I'd love nothing more than to get a diagnosis and some help with this, it won't be forthcoming while I'm on only Medicare Part A until the day I'm finally unable to even make it into the bathroom, and we call an ambulance to force the issue with emergency care. That's plain effing stupid in my book, but I didn't create our current system.
One final thought: When a star athlete (pick any highly physical, major sport), who has the finest doctors at his or her beck and call as a part of their contract, ends up on the disabled list due to a worn or injured joint, they're on that list because continuing to try to play would only ultimately serve to destroy their career and their quality of life. Framing me as this lazy liberal fat dude who doesn't want to work is patently unfair. Implying that I've given up somehow is also wrong and unfair. If I didn't care, I'd not be down 229 pounds from a crippling weight which less than 1% of people make it back from without gastric surgery. If I didn't care, my life would not be as much an open book as it is. I don't post about these things for pity. I do it because I want to show others out there who may be stuck in the boat I was that there is a way out if you eat the right foods.
And with that, I close out this post and promise that another one is forthcoming about why I owe Dr. McDougall such a great debt of gratitude for freely making available his plant- and starch-based eating plan. I really don't see how I'd even be alive today without making major changes to my food choices. I understand that many people think it's the worst of all possible options, but that simply isn't true.
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**** you! Both my knees have no cartilage left ! Had surgery on both and herniated disc at L4/5 and fracture at T11 and I just got back from work at a physical job at 2:30 am on Christmas morn!! And I am 58! I know pain!!! I limp off to work every day and yes sometimes I writhe in agony while I'm at WORK! **** YOU! you fat lazy POS!! Get a job and stop being a whiner!
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Oh yes I can make both knees snap at any time but more like a solid clunk that makes me move them in another position. That's not pain! Pain is when you have a job to do that requires you to remain in a contorted position till its done and then you realize you cannot get up! You must slowly move those legs and find a brace to help you get up or call the amber lamps! I find a way to do it because I am not a *****!!!
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**** you! Both my knees have no cartilage left ! Had surgery on both and herniated disc at L4/5 and fracture at T11 and I just got back from work at a physical job at 2:30 am on Christmas morn!! And I am 58! I know pain!!! I limp off to work every day and yes sometimes I writhe in agony while I'm at WORK! **** YOU! you fat lazy POS!! Get a job and stop being a whiner!
Sounds like my life.
Some days after work I can hardly get out of the car. The spasms have my whole back locked up. But I keep going forward. Most days it feels like a bus ran me over (more then once.)
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Kirk, do you use a brace for your knee? I have on and off knee issues and when they act up I use the brace for a few days and that seems to help.
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Kirk, I am rapidly beginning to believe you are only interested in giving the many reasons why you are the way you are and the many excuses as to why you can't do any better. You are surrounded by successful people on this site (who push through pain on a daily basis to get things done every day) who can give you great strategies as well as facts to back up what they are telling you.
If you are here to preach (ie talking without listening), then you are wasting our time as well as your own. If you are unwilling to learn from those who have succeeded where you are clearly failing, then maybe you deserve the scorn due a person who is foolishly proud and willfully ignorant.
With that in mind, I'm going to try to engage you one last time.
...promise that another one is forthcoming about why I owe Dr. McDougall such a great debt of gratitude for freely making available his plant- and starch-based eating plan. I really don't see how I'd even be alive today without making major changes to my food choices. I understand that many people think it's the worst of all possible options, but that simply isn't true.
I don't post about these things for pity. I do it because I want to show others out there who may be stuck in the boat I was that there is a way out if you eat the right foods.
Kirk, John McDougall is a partisan ideologue who has sold you a very destructive vegan diet. His diet, based on some bullshit "paleo-diet" myth that our ancestors ate a majority of grains is a load of crap. Consuming between 700 and 1100 calories a day will certainly make you lose weight, no doubt, but it's in a way that POWs lost weight when they were in the Hanoi Hilton. You have deliberately put yourself on a starvation diet that consists of "starches" (ie carbohydrates - ie sugar) and next to no protein that will serve to do nothing but run your blood sugar through the roof and cause your body to break down your muscle.
Wake up, Kirk, you are following a charlatan whose advice will kill you. Are you so blind as to not see the damage you are continuing to do to yourself? Have you given any thought to the lack of consuming easily absorbed calcium (ie milk) that McDougall preaches has done to your bones?
Your diet should include easily absorbed minerals and fats that our bodies process, ie animal products. These fats, Omega 3 and 6, are necessary for you to live healthy. Eat more of the 3s than the 6s with a well balanced diet that includes less "starches" and your life will improve dramatically. You, as an adult, need a minimum of 1500 calories per day to prevent your body from consuming itself. A minimum of 1500 calories, with exercise, will also prevent your immune system from weakening which will keep you healthier.
Here are just a few links that you might consider reading:
http://www.livestrong.com/article/500906-dangers-of-the-mcdougall-diet/
http://www.diabetesdaily.com/forum/food-diet/37807-mcdougall-diet-low-fat-high-carb-plant-based
http://enlita.com/blog/mcdougall-program-diet-review-criticism
That diet has caused you to loose a lot of weight, Kirk, but the only long term benefit will be to those who have to carry your box to your final resting place.
Once a knee or other joint has no cartilage left, trying to use it further won't help. My knee joint is shot.
And while I'd love nothing more than to get a diagnosis and some help with this, it won't be forthcoming while I'm on only Medicare Part A
Those two lines (regular and bolded), juxtaposed against one another, do not add up. If you have no diagnosis, you do not have a clear picture and you have no idea if there is "no cartilage left" or not. If there wasn't, I can promise you that the "issues" you have would pale in comparison. It sounds good, and it certainly feeds the no hope victimhood you have created for yourself, but until you have a diagnosis you don't know diddly.
I didn't create our current system.
Nor are you doing anything to extract yourself from it.
You were handed an opportunity, a way to earn something that would help your life instead of waiting for a less than adequate something that is going to magically give you better care because a politician said so.
Did you take advantage of it? Or are you still stuck in the same hole?
There is no other explanation.
Oh, but there is. You're not going to like it, but there is another explanation. Stick with me, Kirk, I'm going to show you something I learned the hard way.
I do get up on my feet at least a dozen times every day, and I spend at least a few more minutes than is absolutely necessary for what it is I'm aiming to do -- i.e. going to the bathroom, fetching a drink or some food from the fridge, or whatever.
It's not enough, Kirk, not even close. You should be getting 30 minutes of exercise a day. With your current diet, you will be able to achieve little more than what you are doing now. Either way, it's not enough.
I found out my knee was getting severely bad when Jeanette was in the hospital for nearly two days, getting tests done and confirming her diagnosis of the valley fever. I was coming back from getting myself a drink from the kitchen when, halfway back to the bedroom, I had an almost blinding flash of pain from the bones in my right knee. Had it not been for the fact that the sink counter was to one side and the bedroom doorknob to the other, I'd have gone down flat on my face. I dropped the drink container, steadied myself against the sink counter, and waited for some of the pain to subside. I literally hobbled into the bedroom with the retrieved drink bottle under one arm, and both hands bracing against walls, tables and anything else I could use to minimize the weight on that knee.
This has continued to happen, although learning to keep that right knee rigidly locked has helped with the buckling, but the pain is at times excruciating. No exaggeration. Excruciating. I can sit here, and without really thinking about it, slide my right foot a couple of inches to try and make myself more comfortable, and sometimes the volume of the pop from that knee is almost as loud as a pencil snapping in half or a soda can opening.
The bottom line is that as much as I'm trying to fight it, the pain is not improving. In fact it is steadily worsening.
Muscular atrophy has more to do with your pain and buckling than anything else. You lost weight, lots of it, but your diet and sedentary lifestyle are doing more to contribute to that pain than anything else. Not using muscles, especially your leg muscles, will cause them to loosen and put the muscle and the ligaments/tendons they hold in non natural positions. This, I assure you, equals pain - lots of it. The addition of massive amounts of unfiltered plant toxins you have built up in your joints and muscles is going to act as a pain force multiplier.
Kirk, when you hurt, you sit down - that's a natural response to pain. The problem is that once you sit down and don't get back up, you slow your metabolism and that causes you to gain weight (this I'm sure you already know). Gaining weight from being sedentary will also cause your body to produce less testosterone and more estrogen which will continue the weight gain. Less testosterone in men means less fat burning capability and less muscle hardening/keeping "tone". Since you eat no easily absorbed animal protein and don't really exercise, you muscle is going to atrophy just that much faster; what muscle hasn't already been broken down and reabsorbed by your body.
That is why you have knee pain and "buckling", Kirk. Again, PM me and I will gladly tell you how I know all of this.
You have got to get off of that diet, do more than putter from place to place in the house, and get moving. It's going to hurt like a mother****er at first and you're going to want to quit. You might need a knee brace for a while, but you have to push past that to get your body back to some type of normal health. You have to, or you are going to be dead before you are 50.
Kirk, if you need a knee brace, PM me and I'll send you one. No cost, free shipping, no strings attached, no shit.
I wake up in bed several times a night, having to try and adjust my position, with so much pain in this knee that I'm struggling not to yell out loud. It's at its worst when I try to sleep on my side, which is my favorite way to sleep. So, I'm forced to try and keep on my back, which is my least favorite way to sleep, but at least then the pain is not as bad.
Your muscular atrophy, combined with a worn out mattress, is the biggest contributor to this. Try putting a doubled pillow between your knees when you sleep on your side; see if that helps.
One final thought: When a star athlete (pick any highly physical, major sport), who has the finest doctors at his or her beck and call as a part of their contract, ends up on the disabled list due to a worn or injured joint, they're on that list because continuing to try to play would only ultimately serve to destroy their career and their quality of life.
This tells me that you have never played sports and you have never had to "play hurt". A "star athlete" plays hurt all of the time. They are taped, iced, braced, etc for most of a season and will not allow an "injured joint" to keep them off of the field. They do that because they are part of something greater than themselves and they are motivated to reach an objective (ie win) - something they don't let "pain" get in the way of. I can assure you that their "quality of life" is not a concern when they are on that field. If it were as such, nobody would play.
That is what makes them "star athletes", Kirk. That motivation and drive to push through and achieve is why they are stars and play at the levels they do. One does not have to be a "star athlete" to have motivation and drive, just the will to achieve no matter the cost.
Framing me as this lazy liberal fat dude who doesn't want to work is patently unfair.
Unfair? Who gives a damn about "fair". Life isn't "fair", Kirk, nor should it be. One does not achieve unless one has to struggle, and one does not truly appreciate things unless one earns them; the harder the struggle, the more precious those things are. Anyone who tells you anything different is lying to you.
The sooner you disabuse yourself of this childish notion of "fair/unfair", the sooner you will set yourself free of your pain and dependance, Kirk. On all that is Holy, I promise you that. Handing someone something in the name of "fairness" only serves to make them put their hand out again and not expend effort. Helping someone up and helping them on their way is the more humane choice and the only one that will keep any type of social "safety net" from disappearing entirely.
You have a lot of "star athletes" here that "play hurt" every day, that push through every day, that grind themselves down every day to be what they are. A lot of hard work and success amongst the membership here at the Cave and a very low tolerance for anyone that says they "just can't do it". We'll help you onto the right path, but you are the one that has to walk it. Sitting down and saying "I can't, give me my thousandth cut of a penny" makes you look like a "lazy fat dude" who isn't worth the time, effort, nor tax money it takes to try and get you to put water back into the bucket.
Whatever your thoughts about what others think of you may not be "fair" to you, but your own words and actions have made them to be accurate; "fairness" of it be damned.
If I didn't care, I'd not be down 229 pounds from a crippling weight which less than 1% of people make it back from without gastric surgery. If I didn't care, my life would not be as much an open book as it is.
"Care" is not what it is, I'm certain you "care". What I see is a lack of discipline, humility, motivation, and drive. I see someone who sat down and doesn't believe they can still achieve on their own. I see someone who has, of their own free will, made themselves a terrified slave.
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Wasp69 you are a good person. H5.
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Kirk,
You and Jeanette take from each of us, but give nothing in return. Even if it is 1/1000 cent per day, you take from me what you have not earned, and repay nothing. So, I have an idea.
You can repay your debt to me by hosting the members of Conservative Cave (as my proxy) from the Las Vegas area for dinner at your house. Just don't feed them Dr. McDougall's Gigantic Bowel Movement Diet. Real food- you have an EBT card, so put it to good use.
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Wasp69 you are a good person. H5.
Thanks, FL. I figure if Kirk wandered over here to engage us, tell us about his woes and issues, the least we can do to repay him for his courage to step out of the hive is to at least try to point him in the right direction. I guess the old Sailor in me still wants to teach and help those around me so they can do better.
It remains to be seen, however, if he's got enough courage to actually do something with the help that successful people have so freely given. Considering his backing away from ECs job offer like the guy with the "will work for food" sign backs away from actual offers of employment, I'm not very hopeful.
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In Nevada it's very easy to get part B insurance that includes Medicare Advantage plans that include free part D coverage for Rx drugs.
I have dealt with this for years with patients.
Nevada also has a state program to help with the cost of the part B, and the copayments on the part B & D, and also the premiums.
In fact, Kirk if your wife is on Medicaid or "county benefits" and you have part B, Medicaid would end up being your secondary coverage and you would have ZERO co payments, what a great opportunity this would be for you to get some of your own health issues repaired?
As I have mentioned in another post Humana's Medicare Advantage plan for those that have part B, not only includes prescription drug coverage at no extra cost, it provides a few one way trips to doctor appointments every year and several other perks. They have thousands of providers in their networks that are great doctors.
If you want to move forward, you need to take the first step. If you want to bullshit people on DU that you have no way to get medical help, that is up to you. But not only do I live in Nevada, I work in healthcare. For a very large corporation that I know you have heard of in your city.
The bullshit won't fly here, Sir.
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It remains to be seen, however, if he's got enough courage to actually do something with the help that successful people have so freely given. Considering his backing away from ECs job offer like the guy with the "will work for food" sign backs away from actual offers of employment, I'm not very hopeful.
Well, it seems as if Kirk and Jeanette are satisfied with their lives as government slaves. Three weeks and no response to the offer of a job, offer of a proper knee brace, proper dietary suggestions. I guess some people would rather wait for a politician to care for them instead of helping themselves.
Cest la vie...
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And with that, I close out this post and promise that another one is forthcoming about why I owe Dr. McDougall such a great debt of gratitude for freely making available his plant- and starch-based eating plan. I really don't see how I'd even be alive today without making major changes to my food choices. I understand that many people think it's the worst of all possible options, b9ut that simply isn't true.
Kirk, I seen you were online and I hope your health is holding up. Thanks for stopping in at the cave!