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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: dutch508 on December 16, 2012, 09:31:40 AM
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Ah yes. The DU meme of "It isn't my fault!". Of course it isn't, DUmpmonkie liffordu. Crazy People with guns don't kill people. Guns force people to kill other people.
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liffordu (27,897 posts)
This blaming those of us mentally ill for your ****ing gun problems is getting tiresome.
Find some other convenient group to blame.
Really.
If the mentally ill were TRULY to blame for these crimes against God, humanity and children, the streets would run red 24/365.
WE DON'T EXIST FOR THE VAST MAJORITY OF YOU UNTIL SOME SHIT LIKE THIS HAPPENS.
We are more likely to be victims of violent crime than to ever commit one.
The vast majority of us are a threat to no one other than to ourselves.
And shame on you for gleefully ignoring us until you need to find someone to blame
Some would argue that the streets do run red... see Detroit or Chicago for example... or L.A., or any other Democrat shithole.
nadinbrzezinski (113,267 posts)
2. It is a public health issue
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And mental health is part of the puzzle, but let's be fair, most who are mentally ill and use a gun to hurt anybody, it is themselves. Suicide is the number one casualty of fire arms.
We can argue how much mental health plays into this, but unless we address this in the totality, forget about it.
If this gets more funding to mental health programs, that are sorely needed, I see that as a win-win.
For the record, I don't blame mentally ill people for this epidemic...it is my much deeper than a single cause.
Changing laws as to what people can have, even if that hurts the sensibilities of the precious flowers among us, must be a federal priority as well.
Hugs.
The dwarf speaketh.
Mojorabbit (11,707 posts)
85. Well there are some very strict gun laws in Conn
and they did nothing to help avoid this situation.I looked it up and they really do have some hefty laws there.
The mental health infrastructure in this country is awful. It was awful back in the seventies when I was doing rotations in psych before and after warehousing, and it is awful now. I don't have an answer. This is an awful awful tragedy and I am so sad. A damaged soul did unthinkable harm to so many families.
Yup. Them gun control laws sure did work.
nadinbrzezinski (113,267 posts)
96. The bushmaster was bought across state lines
And this is an NRA talking point...in reality there is a direct correlation between more strict laws and less violence.
Sorry if now I will call talking points for what they are.
People want to have those riffles...JOIN THE GUARD, that was the original intent of the founders.
Like that was the crime?
Lots more on who to blame, but let's not blame the killer... it wasn't his fault.
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nadinbrzezinski (113,267 posts)
96. The bushmaster was bought across state lines
And this is an NRA talking point...in reality there is a direct correlation between more strict laws and less violence.
Sorry if now I will call talking points for what they are.
People want to have those riffles...JOIN THE GUARD, that was the original intent of the founders.
In case know-it-all nads is lurking....
riffle |ˈrifəl|
verb [ intrans. ]
turn over something, esp. the pages of a book, quickly and casually : he riffled through the pages | [ trans. ] she opened a book with her thumbnail and riffled the pages.
• ( riffle through) search quickly through (something), esp. so as to cause disorder : she riffled through her leather handbag.
• [ trans. ] disturb the surface of; ruffle : there was a slight breeze that riffled her hair.
• [ trans. ] shuffle (playing cards) by flicking up and releasing the corners or sides of two piles of cards so that they intermingle and may be slid together to form a single pile.
noun
1 [usu. in sing. ] a quick or casual leaf or search through something.
• the rustle of paper being leafed through in such a way.
• a shuffle performed by riffling playing cards.
2 a rocky or shallow part of a stream or river with rough water.
• a patch of waves or ripples.
ORIGIN late 18th cent. (sense 2) : perhaps from a variant of the verb ruffle , influenced by ripple .
Riffle
For the card shuffle technique known as "riffle", see Shuffle.
wikipedia:
A Riffle is a short, relatively shallow and coarse-bedded length of stream over which the stream flows at higher velocity and higher turbulence than it normally does in comparison to a pool.[1] As a result of the increased velocity and heightened turbulence, small ripples are frequently found. Riffles are usually caused by an increase in a stream bed's slope or an obstruction in the water.[2]
Riffles are instrumental in the formation of meanders, with deeper pools forming alternately. Although simple fluid flow suggests slower flow in deeper water and faster flow over riffles, the true flow pattern pool and riffle waters is often helicoidal flow or turbulent, which permits more rapid erosion of the wetted perimeter. Nevertheless, the coarse-grained bedding of riffles suggests erosion of smaller particles, according to the Hjulstrom curve. Riffles are typically found in the middle course of rivers, and are theoretically found at intervals around 6 times the width of the river, although local conditions cause this to vary.
Gold mining
The term is also applied to strips of wood or metal laid across the washing tables during gravity separation of gold in alluvial or placer mining.
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nadinbrzezinski (113,267 posts)
People want to have those riffles...
Silly little manatee.
JOIN THE GUARD, that was the original intent of the founders.
No, silly manatee. The Militia was the original intent of the Founding Fathers; citizens owning our own weapons, all the way up to artillery and warships. The National Guard did not exist in 1783; it was authorized after the Spanish American War.
The National Guard is part of the Militia. See The Militia Act of 1903 (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/311) for the legal definition of "Militia".
If we are going to follow original intent, the DUmmies will be very unhappy. With a wave of her magic wand, The Great and Powerful Nads has eliminated all of the social welfare programs the DUmmies love so well.
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So much of what little they know is so wrong.
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Switzerland had mandatory gun ownership for all men over a certain age, as well as mandatory participation in the military if I'm not mistaken. The men (and women) are expected to maintain a reasonable level of proficiency as well. They also have some of the lowest violent crime levels in the world.
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So much of what little they know is so wrong.
That is profound. High five!
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Switzerland had mandatory gun ownership for all men over a certain age, as well as mandatory participation in the military if I'm not mistaken. The men (and women) are expected to maintain a reasonable level of proficiency as well. They also have some of the lowest violent crime levels in the world.
There are no Swiss 0bamaites.
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Switzerland had mandatory gun ownership for all men over a certain age, as well as mandatory participation in the military if I'm not mistaken. The men (and women) are expected to maintain a reasonable level of proficiency as well. They also have some of the lowest violent crime levels in the world.
The Swiss are so lucky. All of that, and really good chocolate too!
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nadinbrzezinski (113,267 posts)
2. It is a public health issue
Last edited Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:53 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1)
And mental health is part of the puzzle, but let's be fair, most who are mentally ill and use a gun to hurt anybody, it is themselves. Suicide is the number one casualty of fire arms...
Then we need more DUmmies to have guns, right?
Changing laws as to what people can have, even if that hurts the sensibilities of the precious flowers among us, must be a federal priority as well.
Hugs.
#1 reason for the Second Amendment, sugar. You might need to read it again, so you can add "Constitutional Scholar" to your resume.
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Switzerland had mandatory gun ownership for all men over a certain age, as well as mandatory participation in the military if I'm not mistaken. The men (and women) are expected to maintain a reasonable level of proficiency as well. They also have some of the lowest violent crime levels in the world.
Yes, and FULLY AUTOMATIC weapons as well! :drool:
Nobody F***S with the Swiss. :killemall:
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Yes, and FULLY AUTOMATIC weapons as well! :drool:
Nobody F***S with the Swiss. :killemall:
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Nads you are so right. We need a ban on riffles. So many books have creased pages due to all that violence to their pages. Think of all the defenseless books and magazines out there!! :overreaction:
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Yeah, nadin, that's why Chicago and Washington are the safest cities out there. :whatever:
You know nothing about riffles or pisstols, or anything else you claim expertise on. So take a giant dose of STFU.
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Hey, nutbar, there're a whole lot more guns in this country than mentally ill people, but all these mass shooting seem to be by mentally ill people. It looks like the problem is actually on the mentally ill side and their access to firearms, not so much the gun side per se.
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It gets tiresome when you blame all gun owner's for massacres. Go **** yourself.