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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: dutch508 on December 10, 2012, 03:11:53 PM
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Yeah, like we didn't know the DUmpmonkiez would blame:
1) Guns
2) Right-Wing Gun Culture
3) Racist Right Wing Gun Culture
4) Bush
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014331074
Tempest (12,932 posts)
8. "American gangster" is racist code
And you have no idea what race these two kids are.
::)
slackmaster (57,356 posts)
9. What race is a gangster, Tempest?
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I've seen them in all colors including white, and several nationalities here in Southern California.
ETA given that trouble.smith doesn't have any information about the demographics of the perpetrators other than their gender and ages, how could the remark have been made with any kind of racial subtext? Their behavior certainly seems gang-like to me
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New-ish fire, but the meme is starting...
ps, the DUmp is very boring. Moles need to step up their game, dammit.
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Sorry but I have been watching Sons of Anarchy and they are Gangster. ::) I can't believe the little THUGS were released to their parents. :rant:
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I couldn't believe it either. That's a serious freaking crime. I have no idea what color they are, they are dangerous individuals.
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Tempest getting an early start on 2013 DOTY but he can't just post once and stop, has to be consistent. I vote my memory.
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Sorry but I have been watching Sons of Anarchy and they are Gangster. ::) I can't believe the little THUGS were released to their parents. :rant:
Released to their parents? Sounds like the parents are the one's who need to go to jail. :mad:
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Released to their parents? Sounds like the parents are the one's who need to go to jail. :mad:
If I had done something stupid enough to have the cops arrest me, I would have been begging them to keep me locked up, away from my father.....and that's the truth.
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Question of the day, just what does one do when a child of 7 wants to rob you at gun point, Little kid with a deadly weapon.?
Does it matter if the child is only 3 years old and finds a gun and is pointing it at you ????
WTF do you do ?????
Big Moral question and no time to ask the child any questions on where they got the gun or who gave it to them.
When and how do you as an adult know you life is in danger from a small child. Perhaps when you see the weapon, but WTF do you do now ????
Is the weapon loaded, will they shoot by accident or on purpose.
Hell of a note that today our cops now have to head out to protect the citizens from the Adult criminals but now 7-8 year olds that are armed and dangerious.
So how would you handle a little kid with a gun trying to rob you at gun point ???
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If I had done something stupid enough to have the cops arrest me, I would have been begging them to keep me locked up, away from my father.....and that's the truth.
Same with me, although it was my mom I was most afraid of. But that's my point. I doubt you would have tried to rob someone at 7 or let your little brother be there. I think this is a direct result of bad parenting.
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Teens Ask for Smoke, Kill Woman When She Replies "Get a Job": Cops
Police say three teens, 13 and 14, charged in the fatal shooting of a western Pennsylvania woman targeted her after she told them to "get a job."
Police say three teens charged in the fatal shooting of a western Pennsylvania woman targeted her after she told them to "get a job" when she saw them trying to bum a cigarette off her boyfriend.
Beaver Falls police have charged 14-year-olds Todavia Cleckley and Marcus Velasquez and Kyle Goosby Jr., 13, with criminal homicide and other charges in Saturday's shooting of Kayla Peterson, 22. She was shot at about 3:30 p.m. that day and died in a Pittsburgh hospital two hours later.
http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Teens-Ask-for-Smoke-Kill-Woman-When-She-Replies-Get-a-Job-182999041.html?dr
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We're sounding like a third world country.
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Question of the day, just what does one do when a child of 7 wants to rob you at gun point, Little kid with a deadly weapon.?
Does it matter if the child is only 3 years old and finds a gun and is pointing it at you ????
WTF do you do ?????
Big Moral question and no time to ask the child any questions on where they got the gun or who gave it to them.
When and how do you as an adult know you life is in danger from a small child. Perhaps when you see the weapon, but WTF do you do now ????
Is the weapon loaded, will they shoot by accident or on purpose.
Hell of a note that today our cops now have to head out to protect the citizens from the Adult criminals but now 7-8 year olds that are armed and dangerious.
So how would you handle a little kid with a gun trying to rob you at gun point ???
Beat the living shit out of the little bastard!
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Beat the living shit out of the little bastard!
No Cats, one cannot beat up anyone standing 10 feet away with a weapon. Now if the kids had baseball bats, perhaps you could take them away from them but when they have guns what do you do ????
Our biological instinct is to protect the young, we have the problem when the young threatens our lives.
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"Hey, I watch TV and the movies!! The ONLY thugs and criminals I see are whites in hoodies and Republican Party donor capitalist pigs! That means they are more common in real life, so any reference to a non-white person HAS to be racist!" - Quote from the average DUmpmonkey...
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If I had done something stupid enough to have the cops arrest me, I would have been begging them to keep me locked up, away from my father.....and that's the truth.
As Dori says down from your little missive here, my mother would have gotten first crack at me (Thank God she didn't shoot handguns then!). Then, when my father got home . . . :runaway: :panic: :o
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http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Teens-Ask-for-Smoke-Kill-Woman-When-She-Replies-Get-a-Job-182999041.html?dr
Beaver Falls police have charged 14-year-olds Todavia Cleckley and Marcus Velasquez and Kyle Goosby Jr., 13, with criminal homicide and other charges in Saturday's shooting of Kayla Peterson, 22. She was shot at about 3:30 p.m. that day and died in a Pittsburgh hospital two hours later.
Obvious white Europeans
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'They were going to blow my brains out': Two boys, aged 7 and 11, 'hold woman at gunpoint demanding car and cell phone'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2245712/Amy-Garrett-Portland-woman-held-gunpoint-boys-aged-7-11-attempted-carjacking.html
The suspects are not Black, they are White as they came back when the victim was interviewed.
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/12/10/article-2245712-166FD8CE000005DC-747_634x352.jpg)
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No Cats, one cannot beat up anyone standing 10 feet away with a weapon. Now if the kids had baseball bats, perhaps you could take them away from them but when they have guns what do you do ????
Our biological instinct is to protect the young, we have the problem when the young threatens our lives.
Not true, Vesta, plenty of martial arts styles teach you how to deal with people who have weapons (even guns), including the more "dancier" ones like Capoeira (I used to study it when I was younger and much more agile), which was developed specifically for unarmed slaves in Brazil to fight against armed masters. It was disguised as a dance because they weren't allowed to practice self defense. While it's more evasion than disarming, avoiding bullets is a good thing.
I just started taking Kenpo (easier on my 53 year old joints...learned about it through P90X and was fascinated with the strike speed) which teaches how to disarm someone with a gun. My son has 3 black belts in Karate, Jiu Jitsu & Ninjitsu and every single one of them teaches how to disarm someone with a handgun, even when confronting more than one person.
As for the 3 year old, if you can't take a gun away from a toddler, you might as well just give it up. They aren't capable of the same kind of malice as someone older, doubt they even understand the concept.
Gun defense in Kenpo (I highly recommend it if you think it can't be done...there's a 70 year old woman in my class who's been taking it for about a year and she can kick my ass). 57 seconds against a much larger opponent...this is only one of the possible ways to defend yourself against someone with a gun:
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlRel1lxmOY[/youtube]
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That is disgusting that those kids are even walking the streets and then they come out like that? Then the stupid public will be upset when that kid rightly gets his head blown off because of his criminal acts. ::)
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I wonder what the news media would have said if the kids had tried to rob someone that was armed and the result ended up being two dead kids. The cries for gun control would still be heard for months.
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But gun control only works with law abiding citizens, the criminals never abide by those laws. Someone should tell the gun control nuts that.
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But gun control only works with law abiding citizens, the criminals never abide by those laws. Someone should tell the gun control nuts that.
We do.
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Guess we need to make a sign so they can read this first...
"TAKE YOUR EAR PLUGS OUT!!!"
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No Cats, one cannot beat up anyone standing 10 feet away with a weapon. Now if the kids had baseball bats, perhaps you could take them away from them but when they have guns what do you do ????
Our biological instinct is to protect the young, we have the problem when the young threatens our lives.
Vesta, if someone tried to carjack me (no matter their age) and even hinted that they had a gun... then they would have my gun in their face.
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Vesta, if someone tried to carjack me (no matter their age) and even hinted that they had a gun... then they would have my gun in their face.
Evil, ever hear of Buck Fever ? What we call it up North East.
Take your 14 year old son or daughter to weeks of gun safety courses, then to learn the regulations on the laws.
All kinds of practicing in the summer, then comes fall. Dear Season.
Not just kids but full grown adults on first hunt sometimes get this problem. They can get a perfect bead on a deer and as they have never hunted or killed anything they instead of taking the shot begin to shake, they either cannot shoot or if they do the bullet goes way off target.
Takes experience to hunt and get a clean kill. I have heard of police that served 20+ years that never even had to draw their weapon against anything much less a human.
For us who practice at the range or even hunt, the responsibility that comes with the ability to end the life even in self defence is a big leap of the mind.
Could I shoot a charging bear, you betcha in a heart beat, Could I shoot an 11 year old child regardless of what kind of weapon they had, unless the child had a flame thrower I doubt it.
One has to know when to hold and when to fold in life.
Problem may be that we are raising kids to be non violent to the point the bully's are taking over. Even some Court judges are getting weird, going back to the dark ages that if a woman who is raped just calmly submitted rather then fight back and take a chance and a good one at that that the rapist will become enraged and kill them, they the surviving rape victim had consented some how to the rape. Don't fight back against a bully because if you do you will get punished more then the Bully. Get raped is as bad, fight and be injured more or killed, do not fight---well perhaps you asked for it.
Not just females that are maturing early today boys as young as 10 can and do on occasion rape and murder.
Not easy for females today ---or perhaps all too easy with Abortion becoming the norm, to those females whose brains are conditioned and hard wired to have the first instinct to protect the young even at cost to our own life.
First thing I was taught was to confirm the target one shoots at, is it a deer or another hunter ? In case of threat, is this a real threat or one that can be handled with no violence.
When anyone has the ability to end life by a knee jerk decision, they should not be around weapons that they can use to do so. Sure a Victim can make the wrong decision and end up dead, but that is to my mind better of living another 60 years knowing you ended the life of someone that was of no threat to you.
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Evil, ever hear of Buck Fever ? What we call it up North East.
Take your 14 year old son or daughter to weeks of gun safety courses, then to learn the regulations on the laws.
All kinds of practicing in the summer, then comes fall. Dear Season.
Not just kids but full grown adults on first hunt sometimes get this problem. They can get a perfect bead on a deer and as they have never hunted or killed anything they instead of taking the shot begin to shake, they either cannot shoot or if they do the bullet goes way off target.
Takes experience to hunt and get a clean kill. I have heard of police that served 20+ years that never even had to draw their weapon against anything much less a human.
For us who practice at the range or even hunt, the responsibility that comes with the ability to end the life even in self defence is a big leap of the mind.
Could I shoot a charging bear, you betcha in a heart beat, Could I shoot an 11 year old child regardless of what kind of weapon they had, unless the child had a flame thrower I doubt it.
One has to know when to hold and when to fold in life.
Problem may be that we are raising kids to be non violent to the point the bully's are taking over. Even some Court judges are getting weird, going back to the dark ages that if a woman who is raped just calmly submitted rather then fight back and take a chance and a good one at that that the rapist will become enraged and kill them, they the surviving rape victim had consented some how to the rape. Don't fight back against a bully because if you do you will get punished more then the Bully. Get raped is as bad, fight and be injured more or killed, do not fight---well perhaps you asked for it.
Not just females that are maturing early today boys as young as 10 can and do on occasion rape and murder.
Not easy for females today ---or perhaps all too easy with Abortion becoming the norm, to those females whose brains are conditioned and hard wired to have the first instinct to protect the young even at cost to our own life.
First thing I was taught was to confirm the target one shoots at, is it a deer or another hunter ? In case of threat, is this a real threat or one that can be handled with no violence.
When anyone has the ability to end life by a knee jerk decision, they should not be around weapons that they can use to do so. Sure a Victim can make the wrong decision and end up dead, but that is to my mind better of living another 60 years knowing you ended the life of someone that was of no threat to you.
Vesta, I have to BS you for that. 'Buck fever' is a Hell of a lot different than survival, especially when there's a handgun shoved into your face. It's a classic 'me or them' situation. EC would choose herself to live. I'm pretty sure that you would, too. I know damned will I would/will.
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Evil, ever hear of Buck Fever ? What we call it up North East.
Umm no. I live in Las Vegas and grew up in Wisconsin. We don't use crazy talk like that.
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If I had done something stupid enough to have the cops arrest me, I would have been begging them to keep me locked up, away from my father.....and that's the truth.
Oh, maaahhnn......*shudder*
Screw that noise. Let me spend a month in jail. Maybe the old man would have cooled down, a bit, by them.
Doubtful.
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Vesta, if someone tried to carjack me (no matter their age) and even hinted that they had a gun... then they would have my gun in their face. >BANG<
That just looks better.
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Umm no. I live in Las Vegas and grew up in Wisconsin. We don't use crazy talk like that.
Buck fever is very real but I think it's going to happen only if you value life and know you are purposely going out and taking one. It's not going to happen if you are trying to survive.
I have gotten buck fever so bad that I had to put the gun down. It's very real but I think it's from sitting there, aiming, knowing you are about to kill an animal. I don't think you would have it in reacting to a crime.
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I have gotten buck fever so bad that I had to put the gun down. It's very real but I think it's from sitting there, aiming, knowing you are about to kill an animal. I don't think you would have it in reacting to a crime.
I used to get buck fever when I was a kid, really bad, almost shaking, even squirrel hunting.
But it had nothing at all to do with killing an animal.
It was entirely due to fearing that I'd miss.
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Buck fever is very real but I think it's going to happen only if you value life and know you are purposely going out and taking one. It's not going to happen if you are trying to survive.
I have gotten buck fever so bad that I had to put the gun down. It's very real but I think it's from sitting there, aiming, knowing you are about to kill an animal. I don't think you would have it in reacting to a crime.
Well said Gina, I believe that when one goes hunting you are preparing to kill an animal. Same as a criminal prepares to at least have to shoot at a person.
Criminals use surprise to their advantage, same as those that Jack Light deer at night, precious seconds are taken up for the brain to sort out what is going on especially if you have never been a victim of a Physical attack other then a few nasty words here and there. Even just nasty words from a stranger can discombobulate your whole day.
For those that have been attacked the brain is all wired to tell you how to respond, for those that haven't the brain has to try to understand what is going on, the reason many freeze and meekly obey an attacker.
Then the old, disbelief that this is not really happening I must have read this wrong comes into play. [ You know, I couldn't believe my eyes ] sort of thing. I have been passenger in a couple accidents and swear time seemed to go in slow motion.
We see what we expect to see and often hear what we expect to hear and when what ever is contrary to the facts. When I was in school we had a teacher that demonstrated this to us.
He had someone come in pick up his brief case off the desk and walk out. Less then 60 seconds total and then we were asked to describe what we had seen. More then a few saw Nothing, they were day dreaming, cleaning their nails or other wise not paying attention. Not one student could give an accurate description, we saw a tall short, man or woman, gray, black or brown clothing, they were walking fast, walking slow, looking at us or not looking at us, Much came from our area of sight. Where we were sitting in relation to the teacher how tall we were in our seats and even the lighting in the room can cause a tan to look brown.
When the unexpected happens there is no rule on how to respond, few go around expecting trouble, one of the reasons we get so angry when the car won't start.
Getting the brain into survival mode takes a few seconds to kick in, do I run, do I hide, the seconds it takes to get to a weapon counts in here also, if in panic you even remember you have a weapon on you.