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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Tess Anderson on December 07, 2012, 05:17:05 PM
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Thu Dec 6, 2012, 08:24 PM
dballance (1,632 posts)
Can We Please Get Over the End of the Mayan Calendar?
Okay, so the last Mayan Long Count calendar to have been been created ends on 12/21/12. This portends the apocalypse how?
You might want to take a small reality check and realize our current calendar ends every 12 months. We generally don't worry about that welcoming in the apocalypse. Usually we just plan a drunken party, watch some stupid ball of lights descend in Times Square and buy a new calendar for the next year.
Since there are really no Mayan clergy or scientists to speak of any longer it's probably a little difficult for them to set up new Long Count calendar as they would most likely do just at we distribute all those disgusting calendars with pictures of puppies, kittens, small children and such to mark time for the next 12 months
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Response to Canuckistanian (Reply #9)
Fri Dec 7, 2012, 05:11 PM
nadinbrzezinski (112,699 posts)
34. Alas they did use wheels
in toys. There is a good reason why not full fledge full sized ones were not used.
Draft animals did not exist until Columbus made that astounding navigational error, and was followed by others in search of Gold. So having a wheel, regardless of the mechanical advantage, on a cart, made zero sense.
For example, the Aztec Emperors had fresh fish from the Gulf of Mexico often. That fish was taken in the morning and arrived to Tenochtitlan in the afternoon. They used runners, who ran 20 kilometer or so legs, and it took a day to get it. Try that, given the inclination to get over the Sierra, with pulled on carts with humans, it would have been much slower.
Oh and the Observatory (so named since it's form is very similar to a modern day one and function was the same), near Merida should tell you that yes, they knew about the wheel.
Oh and did I mention they had a far more advanced calendar than what we use even today for our civil calendar? The Maya calendar does take into account silly shit like the fact that the day is NOT 24 hour hours long.
At the height in the Classic period they were probably the most advanced culture in the world.
Now did they have their problems? Like all other cultures yes. Their religion, which requires sacrifice, could be seen as a major problem, but the same priests were involved in some pretty advanced astronomy.
Oh and natural medicine and herbology... some medical remedies used by the Maya and Aztec are now currently under research. The active components are actually like for real.
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Response to dballance (Original post)
Fri Dec 7, 2012, 05:00 PM
nadinbrzezinski (112,699 posts)
33. two things
1.- This current version of the long count does end where it ends (they found a longer stone with a longer count this year)
2.- You are correct. We know this since this BS, and BS it is, is a creation of the Western Mind. Bakums were months, period, And the end of the long count, means the end of THIS CYCLE, not the end of the world.
I congratulate you for getting it, by the way.
Me. end of the WORLD PARTIIIIIYYYYYY! on the 20th... com'on, any excuse to party.
I expect to wake up the next day, uncover the parrot's cages like every day, and have two conures beg for their waffles. Life will go on.
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It's like she was there.
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Response to Canuckistanian (Reply #9)
Fri Dec 7, 2012, 05:11 PM
nadinbrzezinski (112,699 posts)
34. Alas they did use wheels
in toys. There is a good reason why not full fledge full sized ones were not used.
Draft animals did not exist until Columbus made that astounding navigational error, and was followed by others in search of Gold. So having a wheel, regardless of the mechanical advantage, on a cart, made zero sense.
For example, the Aztec Emperors had fresh fish from the Gulf of Mexico often. That fish was taken in the morning and arrived to Tenochtitlan in the afternoon. They used runners, who ran 20 kilometer or so legs, and it took a day to get it. Try that, given the inclination to get over the Sierra, with pulled on carts with humans, it would have been much slower.
Oh and the Observatory (so named since it's form is very similar to a modern day one and function was the same), near Merida should tell you that yes, they knew about the wheel.
Oh and did I mention they had a far more advanced calendar than what we use even today for our civil calendar? The Maya calendar does take into account silly shit like the fact that the day is NOT 24 hour hours long.
At the height in the Classic period they were probably the most advanced culture in the world.
Now did they have their problems? Like all other cultures yes. Their religion, which requires sacrifice, could be seen as a major problem, but the same priests were involved in some pretty advanced astronomy.
Oh and natural medicine and herbology... some medical remedies used by the Maya and Aztec are now currently under research. The active components are actually like for real.
Did Columbus make an "astounding" navigational error? He intended to travel west. He traveled west. Granted, there was a chunk of land the he didn't expect between his port of departure and intended destination, but for all I know he may have reached his destination if not for America.
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There is a good reason why not full fledge full sized ones were not used.
Reading that gave me a headache.
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I have to say that I find her smarter-than-everyone-else "Oh" at the start half the sentences to be particularly grating.
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Did Nadin even write these posts? It was astonishing to me that all the words seem to have been spelled correctly, and the grammar is unexceptional. Maybe the conures knocked her off and are enjoying her computer AND all the waffles they desire.
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I have to say that I find her smarter-than-everyone-else "Oh" at the start half the sentences to be particularly grating.
She is a really condescending idiot.
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The Mayans were no more intelligent and advanced than the primitive savages who inhabited North America.
They were little more than upright wildlife.
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Did Nadin even write these posts? It was astonishing to me that all the words seem to have been spelled correctly, and the grammar is unexceptional.
Wikipedia is her home-page.
The Mayans were no more intelligent and advanced than the primitive savages who inhabited North America.
They were little more than upright wildlife.
Of course the Mayans were more intelligent and advanced. Thats why they only practiced human sacrifice, while the Noble Indians to the north simply waged indiscriminate war on neighboring tribes and captured other Noble Indians for slaves.......DUH!
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Resume addition for Nadin - Mayan expert.
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Wikipedia is her home-page.
Of course the Mayans were more intelligent and advanced. Thats why they only practiced human sacrifice, while the Noble Indians to the north simply waged indiscriminate war on neighboring tribes and captured other Noble Indians for slaves.......DUH!
Interestring debate about were the South American Indians any more advanced then the North American Indians.
I have to say Yes on all counts. Climate made a big difference between the two, amount of rain fall, the seasonal temperatures for growing crops. In North America the growing season was short, led to the people following the herds in the winter or wintering by any coast as it was warmer then inland.
The climate in Central and south America made farming much easier all year round. As the farming was done mostly by the woman the men had more time to build the amazing temples and tombs we see today. More time to spend sitting about schmoozing about the stars and building a mathematics to figure it all out.
I often wondered about the Great plains and if civilizations at that time grew so large the trees or forest disappeared and gave way to the millions of Buffalo that grazed on them.
Ideas and theory's are everywhere as to all the unexplained things that crop up from time to time.
Far as Nads and her story about the wheel in way beck When. I can see how she is correct, not easy driving through a jungle on wheels. And what would pull the carts, no horses, or Mules. Wrong part of the world to even think of wheels as a transport.
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Draft animals did not exist until Columbus made that astounding navigational error, and was followed by others in search of Gold. So having a wheel, regardless of the mechanical advantage, on a cart, made zero sense.
Draft animals didn`t exist until 1492?
Columbus was in search of gold?
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Draft animals didn`t exist until 1492?
Columbus was in search of gold?
Not in the Americas for draft animals, except for way up north and the Eskimos used dogs to pull their sleds.
South America may have used alpaca to carry their burden but that depended on where the alpaca were found
When the Spanish reached South America the people were terroriced by seeing men on horse back. As century's ago any horses had been eaten all up they had no idea what this beast was.------Fancy had they arrived with elephants, now that would have been a very different story.
Columbus looking for Gold ? He was looking for a way to get to India and anything in between to bring home to pay for his adventure.
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Vesta is actually mostly right for once.
As far as what Nads posted, wheeled carts still have a great utility even with just human power, using bicycles as carts was after all the means by which the Viet Minh amassed the resources necessary to besiege and take Dien Bien Phu, while the French logistical assumptions on their ability to mass force and materiel were based on them having to pack everything in by raw manpower...the Commies moved about three times as much stuff with those bicycle carts as they could have with pure human portage, and it was enough to turn the tide of battle and the entire war. The Mesoamerican Indians just never thought of it, human labor and life being incredibly cheap and all by their lights.
Columbus was looking for spices, he had no reason to believe there was any unclaimed gold he could run off with in the Orient. Spices and rare luxury goods like silk were the only things that were profitable cargo for which it was worth sailing halfway 'round the world, as far as he knew.
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Vesta is actually mostly right for once.
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I had the same reaction. O-)
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I had the same reaction. O-)
GMTA . . . :cheersmate:
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nadinbrzezinski (112,699 posts)
34. Alas they did use wheels
Alas? The wheel makes Nads sad?
Draft animals did not exist until Columbus made that astounding navigational error,
I never knew Columbus invented the horse, the donkey, the ox, the water buffalo, and the elephant!
Wow. The things you learn from a trained historian.
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Alas? The wheel makes Nads sad?
I never knew Columbus invented the horse, the donkey, the ox, the water buffalo, and the elephant!
Wow. The things you learn from a trained historian.
You can't stump-break a Llama... or so Frank tells me.
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You can't stump-break a Llama... or so Frank tells me.
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Hey, did you finish LETC?
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Hey, did you finish LETC?
Apparently he did, but it'll take forever to get an answer.
I always thought it was kind of silly, sending dutch508 there.
It was like making a nuclear physicist have to take high-school algebra as some sort of requirement.
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Apparently he did, but it'll take forever to get an answer.
I always thought it was kind of silly, sending dutch508 there.
It was like making a nuclear physicist have to take high-school algebra as some sort of requirement.
Some areas overlap, but there is a big body of knowledge unique to law enforcement which the Army does not teach. State Laws, civil rights, driving, officer survival, subduing and arresting, handling domestic disturbances, testifying in court, investigations, traffic and DUI enforcement, drug control, to name a few.
I graduated NE LETC in 1985, and worked in NE law enforcement until I graduated from college in 1990 and moved to MO. I had to go back to the Academy in MO, because MO did not recognize NE's commission (probably some remnant of the Civil War period :-) ). I was the honor grad at my class in MO.
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Apparently he did, but it'll take forever to get an answer.
I always thought it was kind of silly, sending dutch508 there.
It was like making a nuclear physicist have to take high-school algebra as some sort of requirement.
I did graduate on DEC 6th. 600+ hours of training later.... I am a cop.
It was good training but I never want to do any more GD training like that again. 103 days. Not as bad as OCS, No where close to Ranger School. Like BD said- alot of specific police related training... obviously. They had to de-program me from military thinking.
In the simulations they did finally get me to stop shooting the suspect before I announced I was the police.
"Pow! Pow!" ... "oh, yeah... PO-Lice!"
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In the simulations they did finally get me to stop shooting the suspect before I announced I was the police.
"Pow! Pow!" ... "oh, yeah... PO-Lice!"
Geez--ya'd think that they'd be happy that you saved the state some money on incarceration! :tongue:
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They finally figured out the symbols on the bottom of the calender. It reads: "Continued on next tablet".
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The ancient mayan civilization mysteriously disappeared leaving us with an enigmatic stone calendar.
O.k.
I predict that on 12/22 many of us will have historically epic hangovers that make us wish the world had ended the day before.
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The ancient mayan civilization mysteriously disappeared leaving us with an enigmatic stone calendar.
O.k.
I predict that on 12/22 many of us will have historically epic hangovers that make us wish the world had ended the day before.
That's probably going to be the case.
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Vesta is actually mostly right for once.
Yes and no. The North American (IE lower not just Alaska) were using dogs as draft animals for centuries before the horse was reintroduced.
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the Aztec Emperors had fresh fish from the Gulf of Mexico often. That fish was taken in the morning and arrived to Tenochtitlan in the afternoon. They used runners, who ran 20 kilometer or so legs, and it took a day to get it. Try that, given the inclination to get over the Sierra, with pulled on carts with humans, it would have been much slower.
Weird.
No reflex complaints about the evil 1% living in luxury off the blood and sweat of wage slaves.
In fact, she seems to admire them.
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Yes and no. The North American (IE lower not just Alaska) were using dogs as draft animals for centuries before the horse was reintroduced.
Interesting as how did the dog get to the Continent except for Alaska where they were brought in from those crossing the Bearing Straight from Russia or China ?????
Talking to an acquaintance that is herself from some far back Indigenous tribe of Indians, and by now has about 1000 generation pedigree, she is an instructor on Native lands at UNH. She may have 1/1000 drop of aboriginal blood in her. Same as many of us.
Her take on this was all about the religion and faith of the the tribes in both North and South America.
Here goes, she believes that none of the Natives used any kind of animal or tried to tame them as they were their Gods. No dogs or falcons, to hunt, while the Fins were raising raindeer to pull sleds and for their milk and flesh, the Religion at the time here would not allow any of that here .
As she told me there were only wolves in the Americas and none tameable or even thought to be tamed.
Wasn't until a new faith came to the Americans that the South American gave no thought to using an Alpaca , one of their Gods to work for man. later the European brought horse and donkeys.
She is stanch in her beliefs instead of the wheel the Indians pulled by hand traverses to move about. One needs roads that are semi flat to use the wheel.
Tamed dogs came in perhaps 100 years later as did the beasts of burden from Europe. We in New England did not get milk cows into the country until the 1700. Big deal when the Danes shipped over a herd of cows with milking maids to instruct the populace on their care and how to make butter and cheese from their milk.
This is what she teaches and how can I say other Wise ??????
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Interesting as how did the dog get to the Continent except for Alaska where they were brought in from those crossing the Bearing Straight from Russia or China ?????
Talking to an acquaintance that is herself from some far back Indigenous tribe of Indians, and by now has about 1000 generation pedigree, she is an instructor on Native lands at UNH. She may have 1/1000 drop of aboriginal blood in her. Same as many of us.
Her take on this was all about the religion and faith of the the tribes in both North and South America.
Here goes, she believes that none of the Natives used any kind of animal or tried to tame them as they were their Gods. No dogs or falcons, to hunt, while the Fins were raising raindeer to pull sleds and for their milk and flesh, the Religion at the time here would not allow any of that here .
As she told me there were only wolves in the Americas and none tameable or even thought to be tamed.
Wasn't until a new faith came to the Americans that the South American gave no thought to using an Alpaca , one of their Gods to work for man. later the European brought horse and donkeys.
She is stanch in her beliefs instead of the wheel the Indians pulled by hand traverses to move about. One needs roads that are semi flat to use the wheel.
Tamed dogs came in perhaps 100 years later as did the beasts of burden from Europe. We in New England did not get milk cows into the country until the 1700. Big deal when the Danes shipped over a herd of cows with milking maids to instruct the populace on their care and how to make butter and cheese from their milk.
This is what she teaches and how can I say other Wise ??????
1/16th Monacan here so by your standards I am more qualified than her.
So it is impossible to get a wolf cub and tame it? Do you have any clue how we got domestic dogs in the first place? Your 'friend' knows nothing about how domestic animals got that way in the first place or her critical thinking skills suck. BTW there is plenty of artwork that predates colonization that shows dogs with packs and as draft animals. But what would the people in the National museum of the American Indian know.
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Yes and no. The North American (IE lower not just Alaska) were using dogs as draft animals for centuries before the horse was reintroduced.
"Mostly" being the operative word there...
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1/16th Monacan here so by your standards I am more qualified than her.
So it is impossible to get a wolf cub and tame it? Do you have any clue how we got domestic dogs in the first place? Your 'friend' knows nothing about how domestic animals got that way in the first place or her critical thinking skills suck. BTW there is plenty of artwork that predates colonization that shows dogs with packs and as draft animals. But what would the people in the National museum of the American Indian know.
Only thing I know is that the Coyote and the Wolves cannot be house broken. Some where in there a break came about to make these animals into dogs as we know.
What caused this obedience to man, to make these ancestors of our dogs to break from their ways to obey Man.???
Where in here did these wild animals find their notch living among humans ??? Obeying them house broken and loyal to the end ??
I would like to see art work that goes back 400 years showing the American Indian working or hunting with trained dogs, wolves or coyotes. I Have been to the Smithonion for Indian in DC and the only art work was done after the dog was introduced in to the Americas.
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Only thing I know is that the Coyote and the Wolves cannot be house broken. Some where in there a break came about to make these animals into dogs as we know.
What caused this obedience to man, to make these ancestors of our dogs to break from their ways to obey Man.???
Where in here did these wild animals find their notch living among humans ??? Obeying them house broken and loyal to the end ??
I would like to see art work that goes back 400 years showing the American Indian working or hunting with trained dogs, wolves or coyotes. I Have been to the Smithonion for Indian in DC and the only art work was done after the dog was introduced in to the Americas.
So a domestic puppy is housebroken right out of the womb?
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My mind is blown how many times I have seen that false fact posted. The Mayans missed more than just leap days their year was only 360 days long but thats irrelevant to the 2012 date. The Mayan baktun is 144,000 days long whether you count it from the Mayan start date of Aug 11 3114 BC in Georgian or Sep 6 3114 BC in Julian you still get the upcoming winter solstice.
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Nadine, honey is that you?
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I tossed and turned over this last night... If this is possible, because we are on different time zones , which time zone will it account for?? Will it be gradual??? Will the earth explode, and all these bodies will be floating in space???? I only have 11 more days to live??
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:o yes!
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Weird.
No reflex complaints about the evil 1% living in luxury off the blood and sweat of wage slaves.
In fact, she seems to admire them.
They're not proper 1%ers unless they're white.
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I tossed and turned over this last night... If this is possible, because we are on different time zones , which time zone will it account for?? Will it be gradual??? Will the earth explode, and all these bodies will be floating in space???? I only have 11 more days to live??
Look on the bright side. You don't have to worry about Christmas shopping!
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Look on the bright side. You don't have to worry about Christmas shopping!
funny man!!!!
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So a domestic puppy is housebroken right out of the womb?
From what I understand the tip off to a domesticated dog and a baby wolf is the DNA. Much like the DNA between a human baby and a Chimp. A few Chromosomes off between them, and us.
Some how at some time the wolves had a split and the DOG was born. Scientifically different in just a few attributes from the wolf, but still different.
Hunters tell me of killing a female wolf or Coyote and following them back to their den to rescue their pups and tried to raise them as dogs. It just don't work, even the hybrids half dog or half wolf, can not be trained as well as a 100% Dog., or trusted to act as a Dog. Interesting that some people enjoying raising these fellas and gals but they can never become house pets unless they have less then 1/8 wild DNA and that is nothing I would leave my kids around in the house.
CATS, we had a case of an 8 year old girl finding a baby kitten beside the road, putting it into her shirt to keep warm until she got home and had her mother take the kitten and her to the Vets.
The Vet. was very suspicious and had a DNA test run for the Vets. curiosity and results came back that this was a BOB Cat kitten. The Child's guarding angel was with her that day, had the kitten not been so under the weather it could have clawed her to death. DNA, all cats act alike keep their general instincts but some for some reason some coexist with humans and others see them a Pray. A split in the DNA makes the difference.
Every Beast that could coexist with humans was brought here from Europe and beyond the seas. The reason I believe is that the rest of the world was so huge and trading began on a large scale ideas were swapped between the Russians that learned to train bears and the Indians that learned to tame the Elephants, horses and cattle.
DNA, check out the Zebra, they look and at times act like horses, but their DNA does not make them horses, if it did man kind would have been riding them and using them in war all over Africa 5,000 years before Christ.
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From what I understand the tip off to a domesticated dog and a baby wolf is the DNA. Much like the DNA between a human baby and a Chimp. A few Chromosomes off between them, and us.
Let me hold your hand a little. How do you think that domestic animals became domestic animals? It is called selective breeding. You take the more docile animals with the right attributes that you want and breed them. A few Przewalski's horses have been successfully trained from foals. No one could call them a domestic horse. Yes they have similar DNA as Equus caballus but they are true wild animals. Given enough time and effort they could be domesticated.
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Let me hold your hand a little. How do you think that domestic animals became domestic animals? It is called selective breeding. You take the more docile animals with the right attributes that you want and breed them. A few Przewalski's horses have been successfully trained from foals. No one could call them a domestic horse. Yes they have similar DNA as Equus caballus but they are true wild animals. Given enough time and effort they could be domesticated.
Or you could just do like vesta does and whack 'em over the head with a hammer. They're none too bright afterwards, but they're fairly harmless and docile.
Oh wait--that's her. Nevermind.
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Or you could just do like vesta does and whack 'em over the head with a hammer. They're none too bright afterwards, but they're fairly harmless and docile.
Oh wait--that's her. Nevermind.
I would have an easer time explaining Brawndo to her. :rotf:
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Let me hold your hand a little. How do you think that domestic animals became domestic animals? It is called selective breeding. You take the more docile animals with the right attributes that you want and breed them. A few Przewalski's horses have been successfully trained from foals. No one could call them a domestic horse. Yes they have similar DNA as Equus caballus but they are true wild animals. Given enough time and effort they could be domesticated.
Question here how many generations does it take to with selective breeding to get what you wish in an animal ????
Example, the Dog, for hundreds of years we have bread dogs to carry different traits, long hair , short or long legs. However no one has figured our how to breed any dog with a Bob tail. We do this for breed standards and also subject the poor things to having their ears clipped, but these traits are stubborn and seldom go into a new generation, few dogs of the bob tail or ear clipped seldom if ever have off spring that does not have the floppy ears and long tail. Not in their DNA.
I remember in school being taught that after 50 years of rising thousands of generations of mice and clipping their tails the next generation will still have tails. Environment cannot take over DNA.
Mutations arise occasionally at the last time one would believe. Cat show, woman there had a odd cat with curly hair. Someone in England found the kitten in her barn, she took the kitten to a Vet. that bought it off her for perhaps $20.00 Us money and sent it on to a experimental cattery in England.
Some how the cattery was enabled to keep the mutation going and led to a whole new species of house cat. Strange cat, it looks like it has a very very short Afro. Price per kitten $2,000 on the barrel head.
Not bad on another isle was a man selling Ossie cats ,years of breeding made the coat look like an Ocelot. designer cats, some one out there is spending a big bunch of money trying to make a 7 pound cat look like a Bengal Tiger.
This in no way other then looks changes their DNA.
Just had a odd thought, watched a documentary on the northern Chinese that seldom go off their horses, that to this day hunt with trained Falcons. Normatic tribe since time began and still nomadic to this day.
Darnedest thing I ever saw, they would ride horse back with their Falcons to the top of a ridge and just wait for the wolves to pass by beneath them perhaps a mile down or so. The released these huge birds of pray and they would swoop down and kill a few wolves, then return to the handlers hands.
I would guess that people can train wild life as long as it it involves their their BASIC instincts.
BTW what is Brawndo ?????
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Example, the Dog, for hundreds of years we have bread dogs to carry different traits
What is a bread dog? Is that like a biscuit hound?
Signed,
The cigar and bourbon Dog
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BTW what is Brawndo ?????
It's what plants crave.
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It's like she was there.
Well, she has seen Apocalypto twice.
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I think nads may be incorrect about draft animals. I had thought that a while back I had nadined/googled that the Aztecs used ladies of the evening as a type of draft animal. According to what I nadined, if I remember correctly, that is where the phrase "screw you and the whores you rode in on" originally came from.
All this fictional spirit-guiding sometimes causes my mind to drift so maybe I'm remembering incorrectly.
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I think nads may be incorrect about draft animals. I had thought that a while back I had nadined/googled that the Aztecs used ladies of the evening as a type of draft animal. According to what I nadined, if I remember correctly, that is where the phrase "screw you and the whores you rode in on" originally came from.
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