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michigandem58 (69 posts)
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Snyder, GOP leaders unveil right-to-work legislation; protesters flood Michigan Capitol
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Source: Detroit Free Press
Gov. Rick Snyder said he is prepared to sign legislation that would make Michigan the nation’s 24th right-to-work state when the bills get to his desk.
During a news conference today in the state’s Capitol, Snyder said the Legislature will proceed with right-to-work legislation for public and private employees — which would exclude police and firefighters — and that the bills could be introduced today during the lame-duck session.
“The goal isn’t to divide Michigan. It is to bring Michigan together,†the governor said, as hundreds of union protesters stormed the Capitol and the governor’s office, vociferously voicing their opposition to the plan.
VIDEO AT LINK
Read more: http://www.freep.com/article/20121206/NEWS15/121206030/right-to-work-legislation-Rick-Snyder-Republican-leaders?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE
Purveyor (10,031 posts)
3. Not much we can do to stop this. It is going to happen. Sad day for Michigan workers, indeed! eom
Union Scribe (3,592 posts)
4. I can't type anything I'm feeling right now
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It would all be illegal.
Snyder has been a snake in the grass all along, and too few of the idiots in this state understood that. Including the media, with all their "oh he said he wouldn't sign any right to work legislation!" **** them, all of them. This was made possible, most recently, by the failure of Proposal 2 to put collective bargaining rights into the state constitution.
People voted no, saying it wasn't necessary to put them into the constitution because they weren't under attack. From now on my first question dealing with people here will be, "How did you vote on 2," and I'll treat them accordingly after that.
It's payback for your attempt to change the MI Constitution with Prop 2. It would have thrown out 170 existing laws to give unions unlimited power.
You lost. Get over it.
James48 (792 posts)
5. People leaving work and headed to Lansing by the car loads.
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Here is a quick video of the inside of the Lansing, Michigan capitol.
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=4143211579783&set=vb.17364823283&type=2&theater
It's just like Wisconsin, only quicker.
And the result!!!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014328064
Anti right-to-work protesters arrested in Michigan Capitol
Last edited Thu Dec 6, 2012, 01:06 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)
Source: MLive
Anti right-to-work protesters arrested in Michigan Capitol
By Melissa Anders | manders@mlive.com
on December 06, 2012 at 12:49 PM, updated December 06, 2012 at 12:50 PM
LANSING, MI - About a half dozen people who were protesting against right-to-work legislation were arrested outside the Senate chamber shortly after 12 p.m. today.
The protesters, who are among an estimated 3,000 union members and others demonstrating against right-to-work bills at the Capitol, were arrested for impeding the flow of pedestrian traffic, said Michigan State Police Inspector Gene Adamczyk.
He said the protesters were trying to push their way into the Senate chamber and laid down in a common walk way. They were asked to move and did not, he said.
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Union members and others in the Senate gallery applauded and cheered for those who were arrested as they were brought through the Senate floor.
Read more: http://www.mlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2012/12/anti-right-to-work_protesters.html#incart_river
heaven05 (1,649 posts)
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michiganians set this right wing nightmare in motion. we will get what the 'majority' asked for. no whining now. wish granholm could have stayed..
Just remember that your attempted recall of Snyder failed. The Governor, Senate and House is firmly under Republican control.
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You can still belong to a union if you
wat to are dumb enough. If unions were such a good deal this wouldn't be a threat.
So what are they protesting?
How other people choose to live their lives.
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Police used pepper spray Thursday to subdue protesters trying to rush the Michigan state Senate after the governor and other Republican leaders announced they would press for quick approval of right-to-work legislation limiting union powers.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/12/06/police-arrest-spray-protesters-trying-to-rush-michigan-state-senate/#ixzz2EJPX0CPD
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DUmmies ought to call Bronco Bama and tell him to put on his comfortable shoes and get on over to Michigan--the Hawaii vacation can wait.
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You can still belong to a union if you wat to are dumb enough. If unions were such a good deal this wouldn't be a threat.
So what are they protesting?
How other people choose to live their lives.
Union bosses are losing their gravy train.
This was the results in WI.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/billfrezza/2012/06/05/governor-walkers-victory-spells-doom-for-public-sector-unions/
"Now that union dues are voluntary, tens of thousands of union members have stopped paying them. Membership in the Wisconsin chapter of the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees union (AFSCME) has dropped by half. Membership in the state’s American Federation of Teachers (AFT) is down by over a third."
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Union bosses are losing their gravy train.
This was the results in WI.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/billfrezza/2012/06/05/governor-walkers-victory-spells-doom-for-public-sector-unions/
But unions are teh awesomes! All right-thinking people know this!
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"Now that union dues are voluntary, tens of thousands of union members have stopped paying them. Membership in the Wisconsin chapter of the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees union (AFSCME) has dropped by half. Membership in the state’s American Federation of Teachers (AFT) is down by over a third."
I thought this was un-possible? What say you, DUmmies?
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Remember lurking DUmmies, the willl of the people, the will of the people. :rotf:
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benld74 (3,990 posts)
8. Did part of Wisconsin move 1 state northwest when nobody was looking? SHEESH!
Smartest peoples on the interwebs!
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This is the brightest news I've heard since before November was stolen. Anything which causes the leftists and union-idiots-thugs to writhe in pain is A-OK in my book! :cheersmate:
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The 2010 groundswell of conservatism continues under the static noise of a general election loss. This is indeed good news and should serve as a warning of things to come in 2014. The sad thing is once the unions in MI are neutralized, the very scum that are currently holding the various municipalities hostage will enjoy prosperity they did not earn nor deserve.
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The 2010 groundswell of conservatism continues under the static noise of a general election loss. This is indeed good news and should serve as a warning of things to come in 2014. The sad thing is once the unions in MI are neutralized, the very scum that are currently holding the various municipalities hostage will enjoy prosperity they did not earn nor deserve.
That's part of the crap that will have to be swallowed in order to get to the other side of this. All those scums will die off and get their just rewards in the end.
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Once again DUmmies and Union Thugs protest and storm State buildings.
and once again all that bad behavior availed them...NOTHING.
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"Now that union dues are voluntary, tens of thousands of union members have stopped paying them. Membership in the Wisconsin chapter of the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees union (AFSCME) has dropped by half. Membership in the state’s American Federation of Teachers (AFT) is down by over a third."
Unfortunately, most of the money saved from dues is probably being spent to repair vandalism damage to their cars and homes.
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I thought that the primitives were all about a persons right to choose? :???:
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DUmmies ought to call Bronco Bama and tell him to put on his comfortable shoes and get on over to Michigan--the Hawaii vacation can wait.
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Watch it, Sucka....
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-michigan-right-to-work-20121207,0,6331751.story
Michigan GOP approves right to work amid union protests
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LANSING, Mich. — Republicans slammed right-to-work legislation through the Michigan House and Senate Thursday, drawing raucous protests from throngs of stunned union supporters, whose outnumbered Democratic allies were powerless to stop it.
Just hours after they were introduced, both chambers approved measures prohibiting private unions from requiring that nonunion employees pay fees. The Senate quickly followed by voting to impose the same requirement on most public unions.
Although rumors had circulated for weeks that right-to-work measures might surface during the session's waning days, the speed with which the GOP-dominated Legislature acted Thursday caught many onlookers by surprise. Details of the bills weren't made publicly available until they were read aloud on both floors as debate began.
The chaos drew raucous protests from hundreds of union supporters, some of whom were pepper-sprayed by police when they tried to storm the Senate chamber.
Because of rules requiring a five-day delay between votes in the two chambers on the same legislation, final enactment could not take place until Tuesday at the earliest. Republican Gov. Rick Snyder, who previously had said repeatedly that right-to-work was "not on my agenda," told reporters Thursday he would sign the measures.
Democrats denounced the bills as an attack on worker rights, but the GOP sponsor insisted they would boost the economy and jobs. A House vote on public-sector unions was expected to come later.
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vociferously voicing
Libtard speak for screaming obscenities like harpies on speed.
Union Scribe (3,592 posts)
4. I can't type anything I'm feeling right now Loose bowels?
It would all be illegal.
Vote passed by a majority is illegal.....only if done by Conservatives, right?
I must laugh now. :bwah:
Suck it, libtards.
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Elections have consequences, and Michigan had a mandate from the voters.
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In a related OP by MisterNUmbnuts.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021940640
Fri Dec 7, 2012, 08:06 AM
TheMastersNemesis (1,711 posts)
I Am Surprised That Michigan Defeated The Pro Union Amendment.
What are these idiots thinking in rejecting the pro union amendment in Michigan. They opened up this latest right to work vampire law by doing do so. They have no one to blame but themselves. If you keep rejecting pro labor or pro union initiatives you will end up like Bangladesh. Working for nothing. Damn it wake up American workers.
Your wages are falling because you are so God damned stupid. 6
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Fri Dec 7, 2012, 08:58 AM
LisaLynne (12,677 posts)
4. I agree -- the anti-union propaganda has been very effective.
We haven't done enough to counter it. Unable to refute truth with lies.
The this gem popped up.
Response to gollygee (Reply #2)
Fri Dec 7, 2012, 10:22 AM
Recursion (18,983 posts)
18. Actual union corruption hasn't helped
The two biggest articulated resistances to unions I've encountered are:
1) Corruption
2) Seniority rules
I think a third that doesn't get mentioned is that unions are seen as sticking up for union workers at the expense of non-union workers. (See the whole flap about the non-IBEW linemen allegedly kept off the line after Sandy.) Working America is a start, but there's still a lot of outreach to do.
On a larger point, if you want to see our side's version of the right's general echo chamber/bubble mentality, talk to other liberals about labor unions. I have seen on this board stuff like "I literally can't imagine a worker not wanting to be in a union." Yeah, you probably cant, which is the problem...
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Fri Dec 7, 2012, 10:38 AM
Union Scribe (3,599 posts)
20. Go gloat somewhere else. nt
What a shame, recursion piddled on Onion Scrubs cereal.
Lots of whinning going on.
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Fri Dec 7, 2012, 08:06 AM
TheMastersNemesis (1,711 posts)
I Am Surprised That Michigan Defeated The Pro Union Amendment.
What are these idiots thinking in rejecting the pro union amendment in Michigan. They opened up this latest right to work vampire law by doing do so. They have no one to blame but themselves. If you keep rejecting pro labor or pro union initiatives you will end up like Bangladesh. Working for nothing. Damn it wake up American workers.
Your wages are falling because you are so God damned stupid. 6
I love this typical meme. Show us facts, TheMasterbaiter. Oh, you can't. :tongue:
Even in Canahdeeahh, they wake up:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/story/2012/08/27/mercer-salary-survey.html
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Maybe there is hope after all. Maybe it's the local and state-level governments that may yet save us.
Hope springs eternal, and God is Good.
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Skul. I'm glad you brought this over. I wanted to just for this post:
Union Scribe (3,602 posts)
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There were just loads of ads for the collective bargaining amendment, starring nurses, teachers, firefighters, police, factory workers. We showed this state the vast swath of people who benefit from union rights, but they still looked at these everyday heroes and went to the polls and voted a solid "**** you."
http://www.leounion.org/political/279-anti-prop-2-side-gets-desperate
With Super-PACs from around the country kicking in enormous funds to stop Prop 2, total advertising spending over the initiative could easily top $30 million. Some experts on a panel commissioned by the MIRS estimate it could go as high as $40 or $50 million
I can't find it but the final figure was 60 million by pro labor groups.
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I remember my Mom having to have union dues taken out of her pay in the state where I was raised, whether she wanted to be a member or not (And despite being some weird kind of cockeyed Leftist Libertarian herself, she didn't). I have always regarded the closed shop rule as theft and extortion.
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I remember my Mom having to have union dues taken out of her pay in the state where I was raised, whether she wanted to be a member or not (And despite being some weird kind of cockeyed Leftist Libertarian herself, she didn't). I have always regarded the closed shop rule as theft and extortion.
One of the proposals that was defeated would have defined a person who is taking care of any family member that is collecting any sort of state or federal benefits as a unionized health care provider, subjecting them to union dues.
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Looks to me like someone woke up, looked at the craphole MI has become because of the unions and decided to try and fix it before they have to flush it.
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In the "You Own It" thread, I mentioned that I was going to be attending a reunion party of an old defunct papermill. I was leery of the loads of union people that would be there, now working at Walmart or somesuch.
SO, we're standing around with our beers, and someone mentioned the union. It all then came gushing out, the hatred and contempt for the UPIU (united paperworkers Int'l union). They sucked the wages out of the paychecks, and gave nothing back. Defended the deadwood and drunks, and ignored legitimate complaints.
So Wasp, I never did punch anyone in the nuts. :-) I just stood and listened politely.
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One of the proposals that was defeated would have defined a person who is taking care of any family member that is collecting any sort of state or federal benefits as a unionized health care provider, subjecting them to union dues.
Oh, I remember that now! Talk about outrageous overreach! That may just have sown the seeds.
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One of the proposals that was defeated would have defined a person who is taking care of any family member that is collecting any sort of state or federal benefits as a unionized health care provider, subjecting them to union dues.
Yeah, what Karin said, too. Overreaching like that sure didn't help the union cause, I guess it's hard for a hog to look up when its head is deep in the trough.
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In a related story, Omaha Steve Dawes was taken into custody at the Cornhusker Road overpass on US Hwy 75 this morning, on a charge of Obstructing Traffic.
In an exclusive interview, Bellevue Police Captain Mark Elbert said, "It appears Mr. Dawes was trying to commit suicide, but couldn't hoist his fat (expletive deleted) over the guardrail." According to Elbert, Dawes has been unable to make a statement to police, as he hasn't stopped crying since being taken into custody. "We have only been able to distinguish a few words. Mostly he sobs 'Why, why?' over and over again."
Stay tuned for updates on this story.
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In the "You Own It" thread, I mentioned that I was going to be attending a reunion party of an old defunct papermill. I was leery of the loads of union people that would be there, now working at Walmart or somesuch.
SO, we're standing around with our beers, and someone mentioned the union. It all then came gushing out, the hatred and contempt for the UPIU (united paperworkers Int'l union). They sucked the wages out of the paychecks, and gave nothing back. Defended the deadwood and drunks, and ignored legitimate complaints.
So Wasp, I never did punch anyone in the nuts. :-) I just stood and listened politely.
Well, damn... :-)
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60 million in dues....................poof...........................gone. :rofl:
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"Well, at some point, [union bosses] have made enough money."
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60 million in dues....................poof...........................gone. :rofl:
That's a whole lotta protest/on strike signs.
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That's a whole lotta protest/on strike signs.
That's a whole lot of homeless people paid less than minimum wage to walk picket lines.
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Panic begins to set in.
http://upload.democraticunderground.com/10021945583
Sat Dec 8, 2012, 02:21 AM
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Right-to-work legislation in Michigan: Thousands could mass for rallies at Capitol - Numbers needed!
Right-to-work legislation in Michigan: Thousands could mass for rallies at Capitol
By Paul Egan
Detroit Free Press Lansing Bureau
LANSING -- Unions spent Friday organizing civil disobedience training and staffing phone banks to urge members to be at the Capitol on Tuesday for what could be one of the largest demonstrations the state's seat of government has seen in decades.
Backers and opponents of a right-to-work law in Michigan said they are planning to show their strength -- predictions of 7,000 demonstrators or more, including hundreds from other states -- as the Legislature prepares to complete its fast-track consideration of a package of bills that would make the lightning-rod issue the law.
• RELATED: Michigan House passes right-to-work legislation after Democrats walk out to protest closed Capitol
Gov. Rick Snyder already has said he will sign the bills when they hit his desk, possibly Tuesday.
What happens in Michigan, considered the birthplace of the American organized labor movement, is being watched across the country and could prove to be a litmus test of sorts for unions and their once Teflon influence.
"On a scale of one to 10, this is an 11," said former U.S. Rep. Mark Schauer, now business development representative with the Michigan Laborers-Employers Cooperation and Education Trust.
"This is a direct affront to organized labor and its members. It's a game-changer."
more...
http://www.freep.com/article/20121208/NEWS15/312080108/Right-to-work-legislation-in-Michigan-Thousands-could-mass-for-rallies-at-Capitol?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE
Cry me a river. :sosad:
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by the failure of Proposal 2 to put collective bargaining rights into the state constitution.
Why is it fair to extend rights to certain people and not others?
Sounds kinda racisty fascist to me. You idiots enjoy owning slaves, or what?
"This is a direct affront to organized labor and its members. It's a game-changer."
Pound sand, ya little prick.
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Maybe there is hope after all. Maybe it's the local and state-level governments that may yet save us.
Hope springs eternal, and God is Good.
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I have always questioned our country's collective sanity & this event really doesn't help. Mich. easily voted Obumbles back in & then does this???? Talk about your split personality.