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Current Events => Politics => Topic started by: mickBelker on December 02, 2012, 01:55:07 PM
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This is an existential fight and the choice is simple: live or die. Anyone who doesn't think that is the choice before us hasn't been paying attention.
The United States may already be past the point of no return... that is to say, the U.S. may well collapse internationally - our interests unheeded by any adversary from Tehran to Timbuktu - in which case it'll be up to lonely, isolated Israel, last bulwark of The West.
What's your vote? Life or Death?? Oh and here's the catch (you knew there was one, right?): the choice cannot change the fact that many, many, many, many people are going to die.
I hope Prime Minister Netanyahu can find the will, the foresight, to do what is necessary to survive.
OTOH, they're just a bunch of racist, apartheid-loving Jews, right? So who gives a shit. </sarcasm>
Of course, all comments are welcome and encouraged.
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We won't. Israel might. A single conventional strike of even the largest scale logistically possible is not going to kill the Iranian nuclear program. I'll have to go with 'Doesn't matter' because the Israelis will meet their threshold for popping a nuke long before the US does.
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This is an existential fight and the choice is simple: live or die. Anyone who doesn't think that is the choice before us hasn't been paying attention.
The United States may already be past the point of no return... that is to say, the U.S. may well collapse internationally - our interests unheeded by any adversary from Tehran to Timbuktu - in which case it'll be up to lonely, isolated Israel, last bulwark of The West.
What's your vote? Life or Death?? Oh and here's the catch (you knew there was one, right?): the choice cannot change the fact that many, many, many, many people are going to die.
I hope Prime Minister Netanyahu can find the will, the foresight, to do what is necessary to survive.
OTOH, they're just a bunch of racist, apartheid-loving Jews, right? So who gives a shit. </sarcasm>
Of course, all comments are welcome and encouraged.
Imagine that we live in a United States in which a certain founding document is the law of the land... maybe a charter that constitutes a government and strictly enumerates the powers of that Federal government. In that imaginary land, in that imaginary charter (let's call it a Constitution, just for fun), the legislature is empowered to declare war on other sovereign nations, which requires debate and deliberation before invading another country.
On a sunny January day, that legislature is meeting to discuss declaring war against a far-off totalitarian country which is building a terrible weapon. Many other countries, friendly or unfriendly to the US, free or oppressive, stable or unstable, possess that same terrible weapon, and the US has either done nothing or supported the nations as they added the terrible weapon to their arsenal.
One man stands in the well of the greatest deliberative body in the world. One man, who seems out of place among the power brokers, political whores, and sycophants around him. One man, clear-eyed and calm with a backbone of iron.
Who is that man? Is it Billy Jack?
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/81/Billy_Jack_Goes_to_Washington.jpg)
No, it's Senator Big Dog, newly elected Libertarian senator from the great state of Kansas. On his first day in office, Senator Big Dog introduced a bill to recognize the Freckle-Breasted Redhead as the National Bird, with amendments to limit Federal spending to 75% of tax revenue, pay down the National debt with the rest of the revenue, and eliminate 90% of the Code of Federal Regulations.
Senator Big Dog stood at the lectern, looked down at a sheet of paper for a second, and began to speak. His voice, deep and strong with a touch of West Texas, brought the chamber to silence. A couple of the female staff members looked around excitedly, believing Sam Elliott had suddenly appeared among them.
"Should the United States nuke Iran?
No."
And without another word, Senator Big Dog returned to his seat.
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[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iKuMVqht4U[/youtube]
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Nobody is going to nuke Iran.
And further more, nobody is going to attack Iran's nuclear production infrastructure.
Israel won't have the political will since they are not going to receive any U.S. assistance with things like aerial refueling, anti air defense degradation and corridors of passage. Especially since the current administration blew the whistle on possible cooperation between Israel and Azerbaijan.
Most certainly the U.S. administration has no stomach what so ever for further irritating Iran as is evidenced by their lack of support for the latest round of sanctions against Iran.
No, what will happen is Iran will cross the finish line and become a nuclear power much like North Korea. The west will then depend upon MAD and toothless sanctions to keep Iran in check even as other Arab states begin to develop their own nuclear capabilities.
I hope I am wrong about the degrading Iran's nuclear infrastructure part but I would bet money that nothing is going to be done.
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BTW, if anyone doubts that Iran is determined to develop an intercontinental ballistic missile capability I refer you to this article.
http://www.space.com/14464-iran-launches-small-satellite-orbit.html
Iran launched a small Earth-observing satellite into orbit today (Feb. 3), marking the country's first successful mission since a failed attempt to put a monkey in space last year, according to state news reports.
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Anyone who wants to nuke Iran is a crazed, satanic monster.
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Anyone who wants to nuke Iran is a crazed, satanic monster.
Preemptive or unprovoked strikes, yes, I'd agree with that. But if they develop and test a nuke, or use it, all bets are off.
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Anyone who wants to nuke Iran is a crazed, satanic monster.
Well that must be me then. I'm all for it. A preemptive strike with nukes against the fortified bunkers, and an extra nuke just for the holy City of Quom where the Ayatollah lives.
Iran is too far gone to be saved now. Wipe it out.