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Title: Don't Slave Your Life Away: Why America Should Embrace a 4-Day Work Week
Post by: Freeper on December 02, 2012, 11:08:19 AM
But don't you dare call them lazy, they want to work 32 hours and get paid for 40 at top wages.

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xchrom (84,721 posts)

Don't Slave Your Life Away: Why America Should Embrace a 4-Day Work Week


 
http://www.alternet.org/books/dont-slave-your-life-away-why-america-should-embrace-4-day-work-week

 

The Perpetual Workday

Jill Andresky Fraser’s book White-Collar Sweatshop details the movement of factory floor, scientific-management-style techniques into the office. Overall real wages scarcely budged in the 1990s, and earnings for college-educated workers actually declined by more than 6 percent. We might surmise that the lack of salary increases were offset, in part, by noncash benefits, but these too were extracted from the compensation package. “Lunch hour? An anachronism. Commuting time? A good chance to return phone calls. Sleep? Never mind if you were up until 2am on the phone with a client across the globe. Be at the office at eight.

"These days, workers are expected to be on call 24/7—24 hours per day, seven days per week,” writes Fraser. Seen in this light, innovations like flex time or working from home are in fact strategies to bring new sorts of workers—think women—into the job market and to subject them to a new set of (frequently electronic) rules and controls.

Think about it. Fifteen years ago, would you have taken a job if you had to be available every day, respond to messages from your boss late at night, and maintain contact with the office while on vacation? You would probably have taken a pass. But today just about any job, especially the good ones, exhibit precisely this oppressive 24/7 character.

It’s a corrosive double whammy: At the same time as technology has redefined labor by converting craft occupations into assembly line piecework, new gadgets have allowed our less inviting piecework tasks to follow us home, invading our bedrooms, filling family time, distracting us on holiday. This change in the character of work took place very quickly. As technology critic Jaron Lanier observed, “It’s as if you kneel to plant the seed of a tree and it grows so fast that it swallows your whole village before you can even rise to your feet.”

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021914846

I have to admit the 4 day work week I had years ago was pretty cool, only I had to work 10 hours a day, but it was worth the trade off. The DUmmies on the other hand bitch about 8 whole hours at work so I can't see them doing 4 tens.

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randome (8,559 posts)
2. Definitely in favor of working fewer hours. That would be progress.

Life should be getting BETTER for us all, not worse and not simply staying the same.

Here's a hint, if you have the attitude that work hours need to be shortened, you will never have a better life.
There are very few, if any successful people who only work 40 hours a week.

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xchrom (84,721 posts)
4. indeed. i would suggest as well that there needs to be significant pay rises as well. nt

Typical DUmmy,  they want to put in less work and get paid more in order to do so.  :mental:

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Viva_La_Revolution (26,487 posts)
6. great article, but everyone working Mon-Thurs will not work, obviously

We should have 4 workdays in blocks of 2. 8 hour shifts =32 hours = living wage.
that could work around every schedule, and fewer hours equaling full time will create more job openings.

Or they could hire people who are actually willing to work.

Title: Re: Don't Slave Your Life Away: Why America Should Embrace a 4-Day Work Week
Post by: Skul on December 02, 2012, 11:27:27 AM
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randome (8,559 posts)
2. Definitely in favor of working fewer hours. That would be progress. Less from this idiot would run into negative numbers.
Life should be getting BETTER for us all, not worse and not simply staying the same.
Two simple words, DUmbass.
 :ownit:
Title: Re: Don't Slave Your Life Away: Why America Should Embrace a 4-Day Work Week
Post by: GOBUCKS on December 02, 2012, 11:33:57 AM
DUmpmonkeys don't have to worry about long work weeks.

As soon as the jug-eared muslim's healthcare scam kicks in, very few DUmmies will be allowed to work more than 25-28 hours a week.
Title: Re: Don't Slave Your Life Away: Why America Should Embrace a 4-Day Work Week
Post by: Big Dog on December 02, 2012, 11:39:48 AM
DUmpmonkeys don't have to worry about long work weeks.

As soon as the jug-eared muslim's healthcare scam kicks in, very few DUmmies will be allowed to work more than 25-28 hours a week.

Exactly. Thanks to O, the 29 hour work week will be the "new normal". Should make this DUmmy ecstatic!
Title: Re: Don't Slave Your Life Away: Why America Should Embrace a 4-Day Work Week
Post by: BlueStateSaint on December 02, 2012, 11:47:10 AM
Exactly. Thanks to O, the 29 hour work week will be the "new normal". Should make this DUmmy ecstatic!

IIRC, Obamacare counts any employees who work 28 hours a week, which would mean that 27 will be the 'new normal.'
Title: Re: Don't Slave Your Life Away: Why America Should Embrace a 4-Day Work Week
Post by: Carl on December 02, 2012, 11:50:27 AM
You DUmbasses always yearn to escape from society but then demand it sustain you.

Two words...**** off
Title: Re: Don't Slave Your Life Away: Why America Should Embrace a 4-Day Work Week
Post by: ReaganForRushmore on December 02, 2012, 11:55:55 AM
But, But, But......the article says that wages stagnated in the 1990's and that quality of work suffered as globalization demanded flexibility.

It must have been those evil, greedy republicans that caused all that angst, all that stress. If only we had a democrat in the White House. excuse me...what?

All this happened under Bill Clinton and Al Gore, never mind.

DUmmie mode off.
Title: Re: Don't Slave Your Life Away: Why America Should Embrace a 4-Day Work Week
Post by: vesta111 on December 02, 2012, 12:08:17 PM
But don't you dare call them lazy, they want to work 32 hours and get paid for 40 at top wages.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021914846

I have to admit the 4 day work week I had years ago was pretty cool, only I had to work 10 hours a day, but it was worth the trade off. The DUmmies on the other hand bitch about 8 whole hours at work so I can't see them doing 4 tens.

Here's a hint, if you have the attitude that work hours need to be shortened, you will never have a better life.
There are very few, if any successful people who only work 40 hours a week.

Typical DUmmy,  they want to put in less work and get paid more in order to do so.  :mental:

Or they could hire people who are actually willing to work.



Utter CRAP, we were sold on the 10 hour work days, told Fridays was when we could make our Doctors appointments and tend to needed family matters.

Sounded good until we found that extra 2 hours on our feet caused us to sleep in on Fridays.  That extra 8 hours on our feet was dragging us down.  

About 3 weeks into this new plan we were told that mandatory overtime was coming, another 8 hours on Friday and some time into Sat.    There went any any time on a Friday for the Doctors appointments and gone was our Saturdays.  

Yes the money was good but, with no time to shop, and Sundays taken up with paying bills and sleeping off 56 hours on our feet, we wanted to go back to the 5 day 8 hour day, as family life was more important then money at that point.

At no time was the overtime by volunteer, you came in or was fired. Hells Bells , those with children with a doctors appointment had to cancel with a 2 days notice or request a vacation day that nominally paid 10 hours now to receive the 8 hours flat pay.

Manwhile the overtime was being taxed to the point that one was actually making only a few dollars above minimum wage even at time and a half.

Too much over time put us into another tax bracket that was not in our best interests.    

Lets see we have 24 hours a day 8 to sleep, 8 to work and 8 to tend to life.  Take 2 hours a day out of that and  2 hours has to be deducted form somewhere.  Work 40 hours and no problem, but when one has to work 50+ that is another, well you do the Math.  

Is the money worth it, if volunteers yes if mandatory that is for the people that work to say.   All goes back to just how much money one wants to make, not required to make and taxed on.  
 
Title: Re: Don't Slave Your Life Away: Why America Should Embrace a 4-Day Work Week
Post by: 98ZJUSMC on December 02, 2012, 12:14:35 PM
You DUmbasses always yearn to escape from society but then demand it sustain you.

Two words...**** off

 Exactly.  :II:

Title: Re: Don't Slave Your Life Away: Why America Should Embrace a 4-Day Work Week
Post by: 98ZJUSMC on December 02, 2012, 12:18:19 PM
Utter CRAP, we were sold on the 10 hour work days, told Fridays was when we could make our Doctors appointments and tend to needed family matters.

Sounded good until we found that extra 2 hours on our feet caused us to sleep in on Fridays.  That extra 8 hours on our feet was dragging us down.  


I'll take 4 tens over 5 eights anytime.
Title: Re: Don't Slave Your Life Away: Why America Should Embrace a 4-Day Work Week
Post by: zeitgeist on December 02, 2012, 12:26:05 PM
I had a 4/40 gig going for several years but ended up with a 24/7/7 on-call gig.  With the 4/40 I use to love the Monday Holiday mini vacays.  With proper planning of days off it was possible to greatly stretch the amount of time off one had.  The extra two hours a  day?  No problem for a desk jockey.  I do get Vesta's bitch about a production worker who has to stand all day but that is easily rectified though ergonomics and job rotation schedules.  (Job rotation is a concept I hardily endorse as it minimizes repetitive motion injury and ensures all line employees are cross trained).

Today's Dilbert pretty much sums up the DU's Wally world view:

(http://www.dilbert.com/dyn/str_strip/000000000/00000000/0000000/100000/70000/0000/400/170431/170431.strip.sunday.gif)

 :rotf:
Title: Re: Don't Slave Your Life Away: Why America Should Embrace a 4-Day Work Week
Post by: Dori on December 02, 2012, 12:33:02 PM
One company I know has an every other Friday off work schedule.  They work 9 hrs Mon-Thur and one Fri 8 and the next Fri off.
Title: Re: Don't Slave Your Life Away: Why America Should Embrace a 4-Day Work Week
Post by: Freeper on December 02, 2012, 12:40:19 PM
Utter CRAP, we were sold on the 10 hour work days, told Fridays was when we could make our Doctors appointments and tend to needed family matters.

Sounded good until we found that extra 2 hours on our feet caused us to sleep in on Fridays.  That extra 8 hours on our feet was dragging us down.  

About 3 weeks into this new plan we were told that mandatory overtime was coming, another 8 hours on Friday and some time into Sat.    There went any any time on a Friday for the Doctors appointments and gone was our Saturdays.  

Yes the money was good but, with no time to shop, and Sundays taken up with paying bills and sleeping off 56 hours on our feet, we wanted to go back to the 5 day 8 hour day, as family life was more important then money at that point.

At no time was the overtime by volunteer, you came in or was fired. Hells Bells , those with children with a doctors appointment had to cancel with a 2 days notice or request a vacation day that nominally paid 10 hours now to receive the 8 hours flat pay.

Manwhile the overtime was being taxed to the point that one was actually making only a few dollars above minimum wage even at time and a half.

Too much over time put us into another tax bracket that was not in our best interests.    

Lets see we have 24 hours a day 8 to sleep, 8 to work and 8 to tend to life.  Take 2 hours a day out of that and  2 hours has to be deducted form somewhere.  Work 40 hours and no problem, but when one has to work 50+ that is another, well you do the Math.  

Is the money worth it, if volunteers yes if mandatory that is for the people that work to say.   All goes back to just how much money one wants to make, not required to make and taxed on.  
 

I probably shouldn't mention the job that I had where we worked a minimum of ten hours a day five days a week, and  some weeks we worked 11 hours all week then came in on Saturday and did another 8 to 10 hours. And we were on our feet the whole time. Plus I drove an hour and a half to get to work and another hour and a half to go home.

I may have just given you a stroke by mentioning all that.  :rotf:

Title: Re: Don't Slave Your Life Away: Why America Should Embrace a 4-Day Work Week
Post by: md11hydmec on December 02, 2012, 01:11:53 PM
I work 3 13hr shifts.  I love it!  Have 4 days off, its great.
Title: Re: Don't Slave Your Life Away: Why America Should Embrace a 4-Day Work Week
Post by: Freeper on December 02, 2012, 01:14:53 PM
I work 3 13hr shifts.  I love it!  Have 4 days off, its great.

That is sure to give Vesta a major stroke.
Title: Re: Don't Slave Your Life Away: Why America Should Embrace a 4-Day Work Week
Post by: Evil_Conservative on December 02, 2012, 01:20:55 PM
It's people at the DUmp that assure me I will have plenty of job security.
Title: Re: Don't Slave Your Life Away: Why America Should Embrace a 4-Day Work Week
Post by: Freeper on December 02, 2012, 01:22:42 PM
It's people at the DUmp that assure me I will have plenty of job security.

They may be giving you job security, but they will be raising your tax bill because they are entitled dammit!.  :-)

Title: Re: Don't Slave Your Life Away: Why America Should Embrace a 4-Day Work Week
Post by: Big Dog on December 02, 2012, 01:26:12 PM
IIRC, Obamacare counts any employees who work 28 hours a week, which would mean that 27 will be the 'new normal.'

According to this article at breitbart.com (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/09/11/NFIB-New-Regulation-More-Proof-Obamacare-is-Bad-Law-Nearly-Impossible-to-Administer), 30 hours is the cutoff.
Title: Re: Don't Slave Your Life Away: Why America Should Embrace a 4-Day Work Week
Post by: Doc Savage on December 02, 2012, 01:40:41 PM
4 day would week would be great.  Right now, most, not all of the under 30's that we hire believe that when you have a 8-5 work day, you walk in the door at 8 and leave when the second hand hits 5.  So, by the time they actually are ready for work, after getting a cup of coffee, hitting the head, discussing what happened on the bachelor last night, it is close to 9.

Then of course it the discussion about what lunch is going to be.  So at 1145, I hear, "I have to run an errand, can I leave a little early for lunch"?  OK, sure, 10 minutes, ok.  but of course, because they run an errand it is a sure bet that traffic will be bad or the line at the post office was out the door so they are back late from lunch which they did not have time to eat, so the afternoon is spent scrounging for chow.

At 1630, it is time to start packing up for the end of the day.  Oh, we blocked Face Book and banned cell phones so that added some productivity.

Why start a 4 day work week that will equate to 3.25 productive work days at the most.  I just love the bitching on the days that we do have to stay after 5 or once a year when we do inventory after hours.  It is like we are asking them to give up their first born.

I would love to see these chumps that advocate a 4 day work week start their own business and see what they would think about it then. 
Title: Re: Don't Slave Your Life Away: Why America Should Embrace a 4-Day Work Week
Post by: franksolich on December 02, 2012, 01:42:01 PM
According to this article at breitbart.com (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/09/11/NFIB-New-Regulation-More-Proof-Obamacare-is-Bad-Law-Nearly-Impossible-to-Administer), 30 hours is the cutoff.

I think the common usage is "28" although the real figure's "30," because one has to account for unanticipated extra time, such as when employees clock in fifteen minutes early and clock out fifteen minutes late.
Title: Re: Don't Slave Your Life Away: Why America Should Embrace a 4-Day Work Week
Post by: Freeper on December 02, 2012, 01:43:58 PM
4 day would week would be great.  Right now, most, not all of the under 30's that we hire believe that when you have a 8-5 work day, you walk in the door at 8 and leave when the second hand hits 5.  So, by the time they actually are ready for work, after getting a cup of coffee, hitting the head, discussing what happened on the bachelor last night, it is close to 9.

Then of course it the discussion about what lunch is going to be.  So at 1145, I hear, "I have to run an errand, can I leave a little early for lunch"?  OK, sure, 10 minutes, ok.  but of course, because they run an errand it is a sure bet that traffic will be bad or the line at the post office was out the door so they are back late from lunch which they did not have time to eat, so the afternoon is spent scrounging for chow.

At 1630, it is time to start packing up for the end of the day.  Oh, we blocked Face Book and banned cell phones so that added some productivity.

Why start a 4 day work week that will equate to 3.25 productive work days at the most.  I just love the bitching on the days that we do have to stay after 5 or once a year when we do inventory after hours.  It is like we are asking them to give up their first born.

I would love to see these chumps that advocate a 4 day work week start their own business and see what they would think about it then. 

Where I work we have to hit the clock by 5, if for some reason we have to stay late we have to leave early the next day. I got yelled at for 20 minutes of overtime once.

Title: Re: Don't Slave Your Life Away: Why America Should Embrace a 4-Day Work Week
Post by: Evil_Conservative on December 02, 2012, 01:46:55 PM
4 day would week would be great.  Right now, most, not all of the under 30's that we hire believe that when you have a 8-5 work day, you walk in the door at 8 and leave when the second hand hits 5.  So, by the time they actually are ready for work, after getting a cup of coffee, hitting the head, discussing what happened on the bachelor last night, it is close to 9.

Then of course it the discussion about what lunch is going to be.  So at 1145, I hear, "I have to run an errand, can I leave a little early for lunch"?  OK, sure, 10 minutes, ok.  but of course, because they run an errand it is a sure bet that traffic will be bad or the line at the post office was out the door so they are back late from lunch which they did not have time to eat, so the afternoon is spent scrounging for chow.

At 1630, it is time to start packing up for the end of the day.  Oh, we blocked Face Book and banned cell phones so that added some productivity.

Why start a 4 day work week that will equate to 3.25 productive work days at the most.  I just love the bitching on the days that we do have to stay after 5 or once a year when we do inventory after hours.  It is like we are asking them to give up their first born.

I would love to see these chumps that advocate a 4 day work week start their own business and see what they would think about it then. 

I don't understand why people can't get to work 10-15 minutes early to ensure they are able to start work at the designated time.  I try my best to get into work 10 minutes early because there are days I have to start a new pot of coffee.  I'd rather start work at 7:57am then start it at 8:22am.
Title: Re: Don't Slave Your Life Away: Why America Should Embrace a 4-Day Work Week
Post by: Dori on December 02, 2012, 01:47:59 PM
I think the common usage is "28" although the real figure's "30," because one has to account for unanticipated extra time, such as when employees clock in fifteen minutes early and clock out fifteen minutes late.

I can just see all the Obamacare auditors coming in and finding an employee on the clock, even one time, at 30 hrs and one minute and then throwing a huge fine on the company.   It's coming......
Title: Re: Don't Slave Your Life Away: Why America Should Embrace a 4-Day Work Week
Post by: Freeper on December 02, 2012, 01:49:44 PM
I can just see all the Obamacare auditors coming in and finding an employee on the clock, even one time, at 30 hrs and one minute and then throwing a huge fine on the company.   It's coming......

Oh no doubt it is.

Title: Re: Don't Slave Your Life Away: Why America Should Embrace a 4-Day Work Week
Post by: md11hydmec on December 02, 2012, 02:12:05 PM
That is sure to give Vesta a major stroke.

 :-)

Title: Re: Don't Slave Your Life Away: Why America Should Embrace a 4-Day Work Week
Post by: Big Dog on December 02, 2012, 02:13:16 PM
I can just see all the Obamacare auditors coming in and finding an employee on the clock, even one time, at 30 hrs and one minute and then throwing a huge fine on the company.   It's coming......

That's why I will invest in shock collars for my minions. If they come within 25 feet of the front door prior to 7 minutes before the start of their shift, they will receive a harmless but attention-getting dose of electricity. Same for the end of the day- the switch goes "on" exactly 7 minutes after the posted quitting time.

It will be good for compliance with Obamacare, and is also a real incentive for minions to try to get promoted to henchmen (no collars for henchmen, in addition to other benefits- still 29 hours/week, though).

 :bwah: :bwah: :bwah:
Title: Re: Don't Slave Your Life Away: Why America Should Embrace a 4-Day Work Week
Post by: vesta111 on December 02, 2012, 02:20:43 PM
That is sure to give Vesta a major stroke.

Dear Freeper, when one is 21 years old there is youth and stammer until one works for 30 years with still another 15 years to go. Body's wear out from constant use in 20-30 years, office workers get carpal tunnel from working the computers, backs get out of Aline from sitting in a chair for hours on end.

As the work force ages the can do stand on ones feet for hours on end as a youth begin to make a toll on those that have done so for 30-40 years.

Say your mother worked her adult life as a waitress, raised you and a couple siblings and there was no problem.  Now she is 50 years old, problems in her legs, varicose veins, problems with her shoulder's from carrying heavy trays of food and problems with her wrists.   She had another 15-+ years to go to retirement.

She informs you that she now has to work 10 hours a day and does not know if she can do so.   What to do now ??  She cannot get disability from #SS and is ageing way beyond her age.  There are 10 young workers just waiting to get her job, they have no problem pulling her hours.  

What do you advise Mother to do, suck it up or loose everything she has worked for.  

You could put this in perspective for older workers that bust their Ass to raise family's and now find they have come up a dollar short of retirement.
  
Title: Re: Don't Slave Your Life Away: Why America Should Embrace a 4-Day Work Week
Post by: Freeper on December 02, 2012, 02:44:11 PM
Dear Freeper, when one is 21 years old there is youth and stammer until one works for 30 years with still another 15 years to go. Body's wear out from constant use in 20-30 years, office workers get carpal tunnel from working the computers, backs get out of Aline from sitting in a chair for hours on end.

As the work force ages the can do stand on ones feet for hours on end as a youth begin to make a toll on those that have done so for 30-40 years.

Say your mother worked her adult life as a waitress, raised you and a couple siblings and there was no problem.  Now she is 50 years old, problems in her legs, varicose veins, problems with her shoulder's from carrying heavy trays of food and problems with her wrists.   She had another 15-+ years to go to retirement.

She informs you that she now has to work 10 hours a day and does not know if she can do so.   What to do now ??  She cannot get disability from #SS and is ageing way beyond her age.  There are 10 young workers just waiting to get her job, they have no problem pulling her hours.  

What do you advise Mother to do, suck it up or loose everything she has worked for.  

You could put this in perspective for older workers that bust their Ass to raise family's and now find they have come up a dollar short of retirement.
  

Okay I get it you are confused, but that is normal for you, I was not saying that we should force people to work 10 hour days. All I said was when I did it I liked it.  Don't worry yourself into a stroke, the new workweek is going to be 30 hours now thanks to 0bamacare anyway.

Title: Re: Don't Slave Your Life Away: Why America Should Embrace a 4-Day Work Week
Post by: ironhorsedriver on December 02, 2012, 03:33:09 PM
I work six days, like it or not, mostly all night, every other night in a motel, working to from 6 to 12 hours at a time, you don't know how long until you get off. If you work 12, you may be on duty for up to 16, just trying to get into a terminal for rest. Life on the Railroad.
Title: Re: Don't Slave Your Life Away: Why America Should Embrace a 4-Day Work Week
Post by: Evil_Conservative on December 02, 2012, 03:33:37 PM
Dear Freeper, when one is 21 years old there is youth and stammer until one works for 30 years with still another 15 years to go. Body's wear out from constant use in 20-30 years, office workers get carpal tunnel from working the computers, backs get out of Aline from sitting in a chair for hours on end.

As the work force ages the can do stand on ones feet for hours on end as a youth begin to make a toll on those that have done so for 30-40 years.

Say your mother worked her adult life as a waitress, raised you and a couple siblings and there was no problem.  Now she is 50 years old, problems in her legs, varicose veins, problems with her shoulder's from carrying heavy trays of food and problems with her wrists.   She had another 15-+ years to go to retirement.

She informs you that she now has to work 10 hours a day and does not know if she can do so.   What to do now ??  She cannot get disability from #SS and is ageing way beyond her age.  There are 10 young workers just waiting to get her job, they have no problem pulling her hours. 

What do you advise Mother to do, suck it up or loose everything she has worked for.   

You could put this in perspective for older workers that bust their Ass to raise family's and now find they have come up a dollar short of retirement.
   

Dear Vesta,

I am 29 years old and have an office job.  I use an ergonomical chair and wrist pads at the computer.  I take my two 15 minute breaks I am allowed per shift.  Those are used to stretch my legs and get some fresh air.  The only disease us office workers will get is fat butt disease.
Title: Re: Don't Slave Your Life Away: Why America Should Embrace a 4-Day Work Week
Post by: NHSparky on December 02, 2012, 04:04:00 PM
I'll take 4 tens over 5 eights anytime.

Amen--saves me 20 percent on gas and tolls getting to/from.

Then again, most blue states say that OT comes not when you hit 40 hours in a week, but when you hit 8 hours in a day, meaning few businesses will allow 4-10's.

Thanks, libtards.
Title: Re: Don't Slave Your Life Away: Why America Should Embrace a 4-Day Work Week
Post by: SSG Snuggle Bunny on December 02, 2012, 05:24:41 PM
when I was a restaurant manager I worked 70+ hrs. a week even though I was only obligated to work 50. I had some damn good employees but the slackers made all our lives hell.

When I was working as a frac hand 70 hrs was the minimum going in and it was grueling and sometimes dangerous; but as tired as I was I was happier.

I don't expect liberals to understand.
Title: Re: Don't Slave Your Life Away: Why America Should Embrace a 4-Day Work Week
Post by: thundley4 on December 02, 2012, 08:26:01 PM
I work 3 13hr shifts.  I love it!  Have 4 days off, its great.

I work three 12 hour shifts, but get paid extra to make it equal to 40 hours pay.  The downside is that I work Fri-Sun, but can get called on my days off.
Title: Re: Don't Slave Your Life Away: Why America Should Embrace a 4-Day Work Week
Post by: tanstaafl on December 02, 2012, 08:38:26 PM
I work six days, like it or not, mostly all night, every other night in a motel, working to from 6 to 12 hours at a time, you don't know how long until you get off. If you work 12, you may be on duty for up to 16, just trying to get into a terminal for rest. Life on the Railroad.
Just think how hard your job would be if you had to push the train!

Personally, I perfer 6 12's. Not because I'm a work-aholic, but when on assignment, I usually only go on home visit every 3 months. Might as well be on the site working. Don't do bars in strange towns and don't run with the local wimminz.
Title: Re: Don't Slave Your Life Away: Why America Should Embrace a 4-Day Work Week
Post by: J. M. Pyne on December 02, 2012, 08:48:14 PM
I want a 4 day week
I want a 6 hour day
I want more holidays
I want a pony
An a red wagon.....
Title: Re: Don't Slave Your Life Away: Why America Should Embrace a 4-Day Work Week
Post by: Freeper on December 02, 2012, 08:49:52 PM
I want a 4 day week
I want a 6 hour day
I want more holidays
I want a pony
An a red wagon.....

I want a 3 hour workday, 2 days a week and a paycheck of $20,000 every two weeks, after taxes.
 :-)
Title: Re: Don't Slave Your Life Away: Why America Should Embrace a 4-Day Work Week
Post by: Big Dog on December 02, 2012, 09:59:58 PM
I want a 3 hour workday, 2 days a week and a paycheck of $20,000 every two weeks, after taxes.
 :-)

What, no pony?
Title: Re: Don't Slave Your Life Away: Why America Should Embrace a 4-Day Work Week
Post by: I_B_Perky on December 02, 2012, 10:47:15 PM
when I was a restaurant manager I worked 70+ hrs. a week even though I was only obligated to work 50. I had some damn good employees but the slackers made all our lives hell.

When I was working as a frac hand 70 hrs was the minimum going in and it was grueling and sometimes dangerous; but as tired as I was I was happier.

I don't expect liberals to understand.

Seems like we got something in common there, Sarge. When I was store manager, 50 hrs was the minimum we had to work. 8am-6pm...I always would take a couple nite shifts, usually 12 or 1pm-12pm depending on the day of the week, so my assistant didn't get burned out on nites... and on weekly inventory day, if you didn't have an asst manager that could count, which happened a lot, you opened and closed. Every now and again you would get a good one, but they would end up getting their own stores and you was back to square one.

I was damned glad to get out of the store.

As an aside... I can always tell someone that works on their feet at a social gathering. They are the first ones that find somewhere to sit!!!   :cheersmate: :cheersmate:
Title: Re: Don't Slave Your Life Away: Why America Should Embrace a 4-Day Work Week
Post by: Chris_ on December 02, 2012, 10:50:52 PM
When I worked as a line cook, I volunteered and took every available shift I could.  Before I left to go to college in North Carolina, I was working a month at a stretch with no time off and 60+ hours a week (I topped out at 75).  I showed up when I was asked, did a good job, and didn't bitch and moan.  I showed up at 7am to unload the truck for three hours (our dry storage was on the second floor) and came back at 5pm and worked until close.

I wish I could do that now but I'm limited to 40 hours a week... I'd have to get a second job.
Title: Re: Don't Slave Your Life Away: Why America Should Embrace a 4-Day Work Week
Post by: I_B_Perky on December 02, 2012, 10:59:18 PM
When I worked as a line cook, I volunteered and took every available shift I could.  Before I left to go to college in North Carolina, I was working a month at a stretch with no time off and 60+ hours a week (I topped out at 75).  I showed up when I was asked, did a good job, and didn't bitch and moan.  I showed up at 7am to unload the truck for three hours (our dry storage was on the second floor) and came back at 5pm and worked until close.

But you gotta admit Chris... those were the good old days!!!    :cheersmate: :cheersmate:

Title: Re: Don't Slave Your Life Away: Why America Should Embrace a 4-Day Work Week
Post by: Chris_ on December 02, 2012, 11:00:08 PM
Damn straight.  I just wish I was still 190 lbs. and could lift my own weight.

Yeah, those were the good old days.
Title: Re: Don't Slave Your Life Away: Why America Should Embrace a 4-Day Work Week
Post by: RobJohnson on December 03, 2012, 12:32:16 AM
Amen--saves me 20 percent on gas and tolls getting to/from.

Then again, most blue states say that OT comes not when you hit 40 hours in a week, but when you hit 8 hours in a day, meaning few businesses will allow 4-10's.

Thanks, libtards.

NV changed overtime laws. Due to my wage I must work over 10 hours to get OT in a shift.

Lower wage workers get 1.5% for any hours worked over 8 in a 24 hour period. So if you come in at 9 am one day, and 7 am the next day...the first 2 hours would be OT. It simply forced more people into part time status in the Las Vegas area service industry jobs. It's been like this for about 18 months.

Once in a while I work till 11 PM and come back in at 7 AM as I am exempt from overtime per Nevada law in such situations.

With Nevada being at the top of the list for unemployment I do what ever it takes.



Title: Re: Don't Slave Your Life Away: Why America Should Embrace a 4-Day Work Week
Post by: txradioguy on December 03, 2012, 01:01:19 AM
Ask the french how well that 4 day 30 hour work week turned out for them.

Oh and DUmmies...before you get behind and champion something like this...remember this will let those eeeeeeeeeeeevil corporations you hate save money (increas profits) because they're paying your lazy ass for one day less during the week.

Enjoy your three day weekend.

 :whatever:
Title: Re: Don't Slave Your Life Away: Why America Should Embrace a 4-Day Work Week
Post by: catsmtrods on December 03, 2012, 04:20:39 AM
I work 6 days 10-12 hrs all winter long and I ain't sitting at a desk! I get time and 1/2 on everything over 8 or 40 and double time over 60 or the occasional 7th day. Double time and 1/2 on holidays.  Of course all that overtime makes me a rich republican! In the summer I take a lot of time off. I have 4 weeks 2 days vacation and 12 personal days so I get to spend a lot of time doing what I want. It took me 35 years to get here. I bet DUmmies cant even comprehend that! I see them eying my retirement funds! If they get their hands on them I'm postal!
Title: Re: Don't Slave Your Life Away: Why America Should Embrace a 4-Day Work Week
Post by: Gina on December 03, 2012, 06:47:45 AM
I am willing to work however long it takes to get my work done.  I would love a 4 day work week.  That would be awesome.  We can't do it because of the union. Seems the outside workers get all the OT they can ask for and we don't. We asked for a 4 day work week and were told no because it wasn't fair to the outside workers since they can't have 4 day work weeks.  I hate unions.
Title: Re: Don't Slave Your Life Away: Why America Should Embrace a 4-Day Work Week
Post by: md11hydmec on December 03, 2012, 06:57:33 AM
I work three 12 hour shifts, but get paid extra to make it equal to 40 hours pay.  The downside is that I work Fri-Sun, but can get called on my days off.
Yeah, I work Fri - Sun also.  supposed to be 13.3 hour days but t usually winds up being 12.  I get 1.5 the first 8hrs of my first off day then double after that.  I feel so guilty sometimes. :rofl:  Been at my job for 23 years.  Love it!  Hopefully I retire in 10 more years. 

Oh, and we're non union.
Title: Re: Don't Slave Your Life Away: Why America Should Embrace a 4-Day Work Week
Post by: Celtic Rose on December 03, 2012, 07:35:20 AM
I'm a fan of 3 12's (13's).  If you arrange your week right, you can end up with some nice mini vacations without having to take vacation time.

I will admit that an issue over vacation time was one of the factors that led to me leaving my last job to return to school.  I had a trip to Ireland planned, and if I left on Thursday I could save several hundred dollars on airfare compared to leaving on Friday.  My company, however, had a strict policy that no more than two weeks of vacation could be taken at a time.  I offered to work extra the weekend before the trip, offered to take the time unpaid, etc., etc., but they said that there was no way they could let me have that extra day.  None of my friends had any problems at all, one worked for a scientific research company, one for a temp agency, and two for a major electronics company, and honestly, those last two friends had much more important jobs than I did.  It just got me thinking, here, I had been at this company for 5 years, had worked overtime every time they needed it, never complained, had never taken more than a few days off at a time before, and I didn’t really like my job.  A month after I got back, I gave notice and went back to school, and now I’ll be graduating in less than two weeks with a Bachelor of Science in Nursing. 

I did leave on really good terms though, and my boss told me that if nursing didn’t work out, I should contact her and she would find a job for me.  I may end up asking her for a temp job in late January if none of my applications have panned out yet.
Title: Re: Don't Slave Your Life Away: Why America Should Embrace a 4-Day Work Week
Post by: JohnnyReb on December 03, 2012, 08:01:48 AM
DUmmies are a sorry bunch....no ambition, no drive, no desire to better themselves.....just want to lay around high and have the world wait on them hand and foot.

Ambition = evil greedy bastard.

Drive = evil greedy bastard.

Desire to do better = evil greedy bastard.

Work harder = evil greedy bastard.

Work longer = evil greedy bastard.

Side job = evil greedy bastard.

Self employed = evil greedy bastard.

Want to keep what you work for = evil greedy bastard.

If you're not a screwed up, drugged up, sorry progressive liberal.....you're an evil greedy bastard.

Title: Re: Don't Slave Your Life Away: Why America Should Embrace a 4-Day Work Week
Post by: thundley4 on December 03, 2012, 08:18:25 AM
Yeah, I work Fri - Sun also.  supposed to be 13.3 hour days but t usually winds up being 12.  I get 1.5 the first 8hrs of my first off day then double after that.  I feel so guilty sometimes. :rofl:  Been at my job for 23 years.  Love it!  Hopefully I retire in 10 more years. 

Oh, and we're non union.

Any time I get called on a day off is time and a half and the only double time is outside my shift on Sunday. Still, I've gotten more double time than anyone else in my department. 

I've been on this shift for over 15 years and would hate to work 5 days/40 hours again.
Title: Re: Don't Slave Your Life Away: Why America Should Embrace a 4-Day Work Week
Post by: GOBUCKS on December 03, 2012, 09:46:06 AM
You don't have to quote vestanumbers's nonsense to reply to her.
Title: Re: Don't Slave Your Life Away: Why America Should Embrace a 4-Day Work Week
Post by: JohnnyReb on December 03, 2012, 09:50:08 AM
OK DUmmies.....actually WORK four 12 hour days and you can have your 3 day weekend.
Title: Re: Don't Slave Your Life Away: Why America Should Embrace a 4-Day Work Week
Post by: Wineslob on December 03, 2012, 09:51:09 AM
Stupid bastards, this would only give my wife more time for extras on the Honey Do list. :thatsright:
Title: Re: Don't Slave Your Life Away: Why America Should Embrace a 4-Day Work Week
Post by: AprilRazz on December 03, 2012, 10:37:35 AM
I love my 13 hour/3 day workweeks. Plenty of down time and plenty of time for overtime if it is available. Nurses do it all the time.
Title: Re: Don't Slave Your Life Away: Why America Should Embrace a 4-Day Work Week
Post by: RobJohnson on December 03, 2012, 11:02:31 AM
Stupid bastards, this would only give my wife more time for extras on the Honey Do list. :thatsright:

I used to work in an aluminum mill in which many of my married co-workers would work double shifts on the weekends. OT on Saturday and double time on Sunday...I used to mention...."so when you are working double shifts, is your wife spending double time shoppping?"

That really pissed some of my co-workers off.  :lmao: 

I used to work all kinds of hours, I was in my early 20's. It was easy to get a 16 hour shift on a Sunday. Now that same plant changed the rules, they only pay time and a half on Sunday, as they changed the definition of a work week.