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Title: SEC vs. ND
Post by: Rebel on November 29, 2012, 03:22:13 PM
(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h228/burnsk73/SEC-vs-Notre-Dame.jpg)


 :fuelfire:
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: boldfighter on November 29, 2012, 03:39:05 PM
I look forward to the Championship game.  I firmly believe than ND will win, and I can not stand Notre Dame!
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: cclanofirish on November 29, 2012, 03:50:52 PM
Keep talking, I'm going to enjoy when the Tide finally gets rolled.  :-)
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: Rebel on November 29, 2012, 03:52:28 PM
I look forward to the Championship game.  I firmly believe than ND will win, and I can not stand Notre Dame!

No way in hell ND wins. They've had so many close calls it ain't even funny. One close call was to a team Bama dominated. I expect this to be another example of why the SEC is considered the toughest conference in the nation. Think ND would be undefeated playing an SEC schedule? Keep in mind, rankings don't mean anything when it comes to toughness. Kent State is ranked #17. Ole Miss would destroy Kent State. Rankings are a reflection on how well they perform in their schedules. They took strength of schedule out a while back.  
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: Rebel on November 29, 2012, 03:56:09 PM
Another thing that speaks volumes. The way they talk ALL.THE.TIME about Manti Te'o. Why? Because ND doesn't normally experience guys on D that good. What is omitted is defensive players of his caliber are ALL OVER the SEC.
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: cclanofirish on November 29, 2012, 03:59:26 PM
Another thing that speaks volumes. The way they talk ALL.THE.TIME about Manti Te'o. Why? Because ND doesn't normally experience guys on D that good. What is omitted is defensive players of his caliber are ALL OVER the SEC.

Well, one of us had better be ready to eat crow. I think Notre Dame proved it's toughness all season. I will take my guys over Alabama or Georgia all day, but I do think Bama is better than Georgia.
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: boldfighter on November 29, 2012, 05:27:25 PM
No way in hell ND wins. They've had so many close calls it ain't even funny. One close call was to a team Bama dominated. I expect this to be another example of why the SEC is considered the toughest conference in the nation. Think ND would be undefeated playing an SEC schedule? Keep in mind, rankings don't mean anything when it comes to toughness. Kent State is ranked #17. Ole Miss would destroy Kent State. Rankings are a reflection on how well they perform in their schedules. They took strength of schedule out a while back.  


Reminds me of the arguments being made against Ohio State the last time they won it all.  ND 23 Georgia 14
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: Rebel on November 29, 2012, 05:49:48 PM

Reminds me of the arguments being made against Ohio State the last time they won it all.   ND 23 Georgia 14

Against Miami. Do tell, when was the Big East EVER considered the dominant conference in the nation. Alabama 24 ND 14

Though I want UGA in it.
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: wasp69 on November 29, 2012, 05:51:19 PM

Reminds me of the arguments being made against Ohio State the last time they won it all.  ND 23 Georgia 14

Ohio who?   :fuelfire:
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: Rebel on November 29, 2012, 06:02:38 PM
Ohio who?   :fuelfire:

I think he's referring to that 0-9 against the SEC in bowls Ohio State.

Correction. They beat Arkansas one year. 1-9. lulz
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: boldfighter on November 29, 2012, 06:18:32 PM
I'm willing to make a friendly bet.  Loser has to go on democraticundergound and talk about how nice it is to hear Jane Fonda discuss politics.
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: wasp69 on November 29, 2012, 07:11:46 PM
I think he's referring to that 0-9 against the SEC in bowls Ohio State.

Correction. They beat Arkansas one year. 1-9. lulz

Nope, that one was erased.   :lmao:
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: marv on November 29, 2012, 07:22:19 PM
I'm willing to make a friendly bet.  Loser has to go on democraticundergound and talk about how nice it is to hear Jane Fonda discuss politics.

Having served in Laos once upon a time, I'm not taking any Fonda bets...(http://www.conservativecave.com/Smileys/default/argh.gif)...but ND has been a sentimental favorite of mine since the days of Johnny Lujack. Yeah, I'm that old!

(http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/001/418/070/Johnny_Lujack_December_1948_display_image.jpg?1318551247)

Be that as it may, I think 'Bama will probably win......(http://www.conservativecave.com/Smileys/default/bawling.gif)
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: Rebel on November 29, 2012, 08:49:03 PM
I'm willing to make a friendly bet.  Loser has to go on democraticundergound and talk about how nice it is to hear Jane Fonda discuss politics.

Make it sports-related and we're game. I will NEVER lower myself to talk positively about some stupid bitch that trashed the troops in Vietnam when my father served as an 0811 in the United States Marine Corps. I can't believe you'd even bring that shit up.
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: dixierose on November 29, 2012, 09:00:36 PM
1981 Sugar Bowl

GA 17
ND 10

That was UGA's last National Championship. We had someone named Hershel Walker playing at the time....

:-)

Edited to change date of Sugar Bowl. It was the 1980 season championship; but the Sugar Bowl was played in 1981....
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: boldfighter on November 29, 2012, 09:39:26 PM
Make it sports-related and we're game. I will NEVER lower myself to talk positively about some stupid bitch that trashed the troops in Vietnam when my father served as an 0811 in the United States Marine Corps. I can't believe you'd even bring that shit up.

Sorry, bad joke.  God bless your father for his service.
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: Rebel on November 30, 2012, 07:45:17 AM
1981 Sugar Bowl

GA 17
ND 10

That was UGA's last National Championship. We had someone named Hershel Walker playing at the time....

:-)

Edited to change date of Sugar Bowl. It was the 1980 season championship; but the Sugar Bowl was played in 1981....

I know the whole "Gurley + Marshall = Gurschal", or something like that, but Herschel > Gurley + Marshall. Herschel Walker was a freak of nature, which is WELL above exemplary. He'd be a 8 star in a field of 5 stars. This is not to take away from Gurley or Marshall, but Herschel had almost as much as those two combined in his freshman year and #5 all-time rushing yards in college football when he only played 3 years. #1-4 played all 4 years. Without Hershel Walker, there would have never been a 1980 UGA national championship. Same with, as much as it pains me to say this because I was so down on the kid...until I saw him play, Johnny Manziel. No way in hell would A&M be anywhere near where it's at right now without him. Without Gurley and Marshall, Murray still has Tavarres King, Malcolm Mitchell, Marlon Brown, Michael Bennett, Ken Malcome, etc. Hershel was pretty much Daddy Dooley's main workhorse. That's pretty much how Heisman candidates are chosen. Can a team make it without this one player. Manziel? No. Hershel? No. Gurley + Marshall? Yes. Manti Te'o? Yes. Cam Newton? Well, you see the results of that. So does Gene the Chin. ...from the unemployment line.
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: dixierose on November 30, 2012, 09:59:58 AM
I know the whole "Gurley + Marshall = Gurschal", or something like that, but Herschel > Gurley + Marshall. Herschel Walker was a freak of nature, which is WELL above exemplary. He'd be a 8 star in a field of 5 stars. This is not to take away from Gurley or Marshall, but Herschel had almost as much as those two combined in his freshman year and #5 all-time rushing yards in college football when he only played 3 years. #1-4 played all 4 years. Without Hershel Walker, there would have never been a 1980 UGA national championship. Same with, as much as it pains me to say this because I was so down on the kid...until I saw him play, Johnny Manziel. No way in hell would A&M be anywhere near where it's at right now without him. Without Gurley and Marshall, Murray still has Tavarres King, Malcolm Mitchell, Marlon Brown, Michael Bennett, Ken Malcome, etc. Hershel was pretty much Daddy Dooley's main workhorse. That's pretty much how Heisman candidates are chosen. Can a team make it without this one player. Manziel? No. Hershel? No. Gurley + Marshall? Yes. Manti Te'o? Yes. Cam Newton? Well, you see the results of that. So does Gene the Chin. ...from the unemployment line.

I agree with you on all points. I remember when Hershel got drafted. I was only 10 and didn't really understand how the draft worked. I was PISSED when he went to Dallas....I hated the Cowboys (still do). I think his story is a good one, too. He has written an autobiography which details his struggles with personality disorder. He was very open as to how it ruined his marriage and how it impacted him on the field. It's called Breaking Free: My Life with Dissociative Identity Disorder. Here's a link to its Amazon page.

http://www.amazon.com/Breaking-Free-Dissociative-Identity-Disorder/dp/B002RAR432

Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: BigTex on November 30, 2012, 10:11:33 AM
I agree with you on all points. I remember when Hershel got drafted. I was only 10 and didn't really understand how the draft worked. I was PISSED when he went to Dallas....I hated the Cowboys (still do). I think his story is a good one, too. He has written an autobiography which details his struggles with personality disorder. He was very open as to how it ruined his marriage and how it impacted him on the field. It's called Breaking Free: My Life with Dissociative Identity Disorder. Here's a link to its Amazon page.

http://www.amazon.com/Breaking-Free-Dissociative-Identity-Disorder/dp/B002RAR432

I saw the ESPN biography on him it was pretty good. As far as the cowboys drafting him that was the one of best things that ever happened to the cowboys.
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: Rebel on November 30, 2012, 10:14:59 AM
I agree with you on all points. I remember when Hershel got drafted. I was only 10 and didn't really understand how the draft worked. I was PISSED when he went to Dallas....I hated the Cowboys (still do). I think his story is a good one, too. He has written an autobiography which details his struggles with personality disorder. He was very open as to how it ruined his marriage and how it impacted him on the field. It's called Breaking Free: My Life with Dissociative Identity Disorder. Here's a link to its Amazon page.

http://www.amazon.com/Breaking-Free-Dissociative-Identity-Disorder/dp/B002RAR432



There's also an 30 for 30 ESPN special on him. Great story. It showed a man who built himself up to be a great. Contrast that with someone with God-given talent like Mississippi's own Marcus Dupree, and you'll come away thinking Marcus was a lazy f'er.

BTW:

http://chronicle.augusta.com/news/business/2012-11-29/herschel-walker-open-athens-restaurant

Can't see how these would go over anywhere else but Georgia, but he's wanting to make a chain. I've eaten at Lee Roy Selmon's in Tampa a few times. AWESOME, but it isn't plastered with Lee Roy's memorabilia. If it were, maybe OK City, Tampa, but I can't see where it would fit anywhere else.
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: Rebel on November 30, 2012, 10:17:49 AM
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Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: BigTex on November 30, 2012, 10:21:47 AM
There's also an 30 for 30 ESPN special on him. Great story. It showed a man who built himself up to be a great. Contrast that with someone with God-given talent like Mississippi's own Marcus Dupree, and you'll come away thinking Marcus was a lazy f'er.

Do you mean Marcus Dupree?
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: Rebel on November 30, 2012, 10:23:33 AM
Do you mean Marcus Dupree?

 :thatsright:

DAMN! Yes. Editing.
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: Rebel on November 30, 2012, 10:24:30 AM
Had to edit yours too, Tex. Don't need a pissed off SEAL on my ass.
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: Lacarnut on November 30, 2012, 01:54:51 PM
I'm willing to make a friendly bet.  Loser has to go on democraticundergound and talk about how nice it is to hear Jane Fonda discuss politics.

How about $50 provided it is AL vs ND. The loser donates the money to this web site. We can make it less or more; make it lite on yourself.
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: USA4ME on November 30, 2012, 04:40:45 PM
Some of you are too nice when it comes to these things.  For me, there's a handful of schools that if they win the national championship in any sport,  I just write off that year as being one where it wasn't really worth playing if that was the final result.  ND is one of those teams.

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Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: cclanofirish on November 30, 2012, 05:02:06 PM
Some of you are too nice when it comes to these things.  For me, there's a handful of schools that if they win the national championship in any sport,  I just write off that year as being one where it wasn't really worth playing if that was the final result.  ND is one of those teams.

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Well, you won't have to worry if "the SEC is the best conference in the world". Surely the best conference representative should be able to beat a non-conference team. Go Irish!  :fuelfire: :-)
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: wasp69 on November 30, 2012, 07:55:03 PM
Well, you won't have to worry if "the SEC is the best conference in the world". Surely the best conference representative should be able to beat a non-conference team.

Like a drum, my friend, like a drum...
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: Rebel on December 01, 2012, 12:00:32 AM
How about $50 provided it is AL vs ND. The loser donates the money to this web site. We can make it less or more; make it lite on yourself.

I'll do the same bet with Georgia. Georgia has more NFL-caliber players on its team right now than Bama. They just have an extremely conservative coach. He needs to stop being a *****. Grantham was a good choice. God knows, Willie Martinez sucked. Mike Bobo isn't too much better, but he has gotten better, if that means anything.
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: Lacarnut on December 01, 2012, 11:59:38 AM
I'll do the same bet with Georgia. Georgia has more NFL-caliber players on its team right now than Bama. They just have an extremely conservative coach. He needs to stop being a *****. Grantham was a good choice. God knows, Willie Martinez sucked. Mike Bobo isn't too much better, but he has gotten better, if that means anything.

Nope. I bet on sure things. Plus, I will be pulling for GA to upset AL and then an @ss whipping on ND.
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: NHSparky on December 02, 2012, 08:53:43 AM
Pull all you want, but you'll see another Alabama National Champions banner in Tuscaloosa in the not distant future.
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: tac on December 12, 2012, 12:03:57 PM
Pull all you want, but you'll see another Alabama National Champions banner in Tuscaloosa in the not distant future.

I sure hope that happens.
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: cclanofirish on December 31, 2012, 09:28:26 PM
How about $50 provided it is AL vs ND. The loser donates the money to this web site. We can make it less or more; make it lite on yourself.

I'll take that bet for $50. I predict Notre Dame will win the National Championship this year.
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: NHSparky on December 31, 2012, 10:21:50 PM
I'll take that bet for $50. I predict Notre Dame will win the National Championship this year.

Considering 'Bama is currently a 10 point favorite, hope you have your money ready.
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: cclanofirish on December 31, 2012, 10:41:05 PM
Considering 'Bama is currently a 10 point favorite, hope you have your money ready.

Vegas also had Oklahoma beating us by 10, so I am more than happy to put my money where my mouth is...Regardless, I think it will be an excellent game and have the nagging suspicion it will come down to a goal-line stand for Notre Dame.
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: Maxiest on December 31, 2012, 10:56:06 PM
No SEC team has been beaten by another conference in the BCS championship game.

No SEC team has been beaten by another conference in the BCS championship game.

No SEC team has been beaten by another conference in the BCS championship game.

No SEC team has been beaten by another conference in the BCS championship game.

No SEC team has been beaten by another conference in the BCS championship game.

No SEC team has been beaten by another conference in the BCS championship game.
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: cclanofirish on December 31, 2012, 10:59:14 PM
No SEC team has been beaten by another conference in the BCS championship game.

No SEC team has been beaten by another conference in the BCS championship game.

No SEC team has been beaten by another conference in the BCS championship game.

No SEC team has been beaten by another conference in the BCS championship game.

No SEC team has been beaten by another conference in the BCS championship game.

No SEC team has been beaten by another conference in the BCS championship game.

Perfect, Notre Dame is not in a conference :)
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: docstew on December 31, 2012, 11:22:23 PM
Perfect, Notre Dame is not in a conference :)

Let me re-word that for you:

No SEC team has ever lost to a non-SEC team in the BCS Championship game. In fact, no other conference has ever had both teams in the BCS Championship game.
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: Maxiest on December 31, 2012, 11:35:46 PM
Let me re-word that for you:

No SEC team has ever lost to a non-SEC team in the BCS Championship game. In fact, no other conference has ever had both teams in the BCS Championship game.

 :exactly:
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: Lacarnut on January 01, 2013, 09:56:43 PM
I'll take that bet for $50. I predict Notre Dame will win the National Championship this year.

You are on. Loser donates 50 bucks to CC.
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: cclanofirish on January 01, 2013, 11:29:33 PM
You are on. Loser donates 50 bucks to CC.

Perfect. Anyone else going to officially take on the bet?
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: BigTex on January 07, 2013, 10:44:32 PM
It's embarrassing that ND and Alabama were on the same
field
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: wasp69 on January 07, 2013, 10:48:19 PM
Well, that went about like I expected...
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: Maxiest on January 07, 2013, 10:48:43 PM
It's embarrassing that ND and Alabama were on the same
field

Amen!
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: docstew on January 07, 2013, 10:49:41 PM
Considering that Bama just beat THE DOUBLE DIGIT SPREAD by DOUBLE DIGITS, I stand by my statement that Notre Dame is the MOST overrated college football team of 2012.
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: cclanofirish on January 07, 2013, 10:51:50 PM
You are on. Loser donates 50 bucks to CC.

Time to eat my crow...awesome game by Bama. I need to find out how to donate the $50 as promised...anyone know the process?
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: Lacarnut on January 07, 2013, 10:58:14 PM
Perfect. Anyone else going to officially take on the bet?

Time to pay up. AL will be in the hunt next year also but they will have to get by Texas A & M, LSU, FL and a few other SEC teams. This should be a reminder that teams that do not play stiff competition have no business playing for the National Championship.

As a dieheart LSU fan, hats off to AL and coach Sabin. 
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: wasp69 on January 07, 2013, 11:00:40 PM

This should be a reminder that teams that do not play stiff competition have no business playing for the National Championship. 

This...
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: Lacarnut on January 07, 2013, 11:05:03 PM
Time to eat my crow...awesome game by Bama. I need to find out how to donate the $50 as promised...anyone know the process?

Above your last post in the left hand corner there is a icon to donate under several credit options.

Good luck to N.D. next year. Just stay away from top SEC teams. :-)
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: NHSparky on January 08, 2013, 06:24:32 AM
I'll take that bet for $50. I predict Notre Dame will win the National Championship this year.

BWWAAAAAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ROLL TIDE!!!
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: NHSparky on January 08, 2013, 06:26:24 AM
Considering that Bama just beat THE DOUBLE DIGIT SPREAD by DOUBLE DIGITS, I stand by my statement that Notre Dame is the MOST overrated college football team of 2012.

No, I give that designation to USC.  Preseason #1 to a 7-7 season, unranked, and loss to 6-7 Georgia Tech in the "I Give A Shit Bowl."
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: Rebel on January 08, 2013, 07:47:22 AM
No, I give that designation to USC.  Preseason #1 to a 7-7 season, unranked, and loss to 6-7 Georgia Tech in the "I Give A Shit Bowl."

Yep. GT had to basically beg just to get into a bowl with a losing record.
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: docstew on January 08, 2013, 07:50:39 AM
No, I give that designation to USC.  Preseason #1 to a 7-7 season, unranked, and loss to 6-7 Georgia Tech in the "I Give A Shit Bowl."

You do have a point, but I'll have to agree to disagree. Mostly it's just out of spite and hatred of ND and their little carve-outs and special rules.
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: NHSparky on January 08, 2013, 08:07:16 AM
Yep. GT had to basically beg just to get into a bowl with a losing record.

I went to GT, and even I can't justify a bowl bid with that record.

Frankly, the bowl season has gotten completely out of hand.  If you're not in the Top 25, you shouldn't get a bowl bid.  PERIOD.
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: USA4ME on January 08, 2013, 08:56:57 AM
Well, that was a butt kicking.

My wife is from Birmingham and a big Bama fan so she was worried.  See, that's what happens when you're our age and remember when ND used to be competitive; you worry that by some magic it will reappear.  Then the game starts and you realize they aren't what they used to be in the 60's, 70's and 80's, not even close.

Roll Tide!!

GO SEC!!!!

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Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: franksolich on January 08, 2013, 09:08:20 AM
Well, congratulations to Alabama.

Bear Bryant, the best coach in the history of college football, lives.

By the way, apparently Alabama now joins Nebraska as the only two teams that won three national championships in four years.
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: USA4ME on January 08, 2013, 09:14:01 AM
To my friend cclanofirish:

Here's what I've said about ND football the last 15+ years, and I'll say it here again:

--  They need to decide what they want to be. --

For some reason, they decided a few years ago that they wanted their football players to also be up to the academic standards of the university.  Well guess what?  Football players are as dumb as dumb can be many times.  Everyone knows this.  You see, you don't care if Bobby Joe and Leroy can spell their own name, you just want them to throw, run, catch, and pile-drive the opposition into the ground.  ND decided they didn't want that anymore.

ND practically invented recruiting.  One reason back in the 40's and 50's they had the best teams was because they had every stinkin' Catholic priest in the USA keeping an eye out for the local talent.  Father O'Malley would see someone on the local high school team who could run like the wind and they call up ND, "Hey, you need to come and look at this guy."  The only situation better than that was the Army teams of the mid to late 40's where if they wanted a player on their team, they drafted him into the service.  Wal-la, you're coming to West Point and playing football, son.

So they have the alumni, they know how to network and get the players, they just need to drop this stupid "academic standards" crap and get the players they need.  My question is will they?  Because if they don't, they're missing out on a lot of blue-chip players they could easily get, but they won't, and I don't care how good the coach is.  Lou Holtz wouldn't have won the NC he did there if he couldn't have recruited the dumb football players that made up that team.

So, they need to decide what they want to be; an academic university that fields a pretty good football team, or an academic university that has special classes so they can field an excellent football team.

.
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: USA4ME on January 08, 2013, 09:14:54 AM
Well, congratulations to Alabama.

Bear Bryant, the best coach in the history of college football, lives.

By the way, apparently Alabama now joins Nebraska as the only two teams that won three national championships in four years.

ND did it back in the late 40's, but those 3 are it.

.
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: Maxiest on January 08, 2013, 06:46:33 PM
This year and last years game is why they need a playoff system in college, so shit teams like ND, LSU, and Ohio would never make it to the big game.
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: Lacarnut on January 08, 2013, 10:27:26 PM
This year and last years game is why they need a playoff system in college, so shit teams like ND, LSU, and Ohio would never make it to the big game.

Who is your shit team. Betcha if they are in the SEC, LSU has beaten them.

You want a 4 team playoff system. When your team does not make it will you be crying for a 8 or 16 team playoff system?????????
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: BigTex on January 09, 2013, 01:40:13 AM
This year and last years game is why they need a playoff system in college, so shit teams like ND, LSU, and Ohio would never make it to the big game.

what are you talking about? LSU beat Alabama in the regular season.They would have easily beaten Stanford in a semifinal to get to the championship
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: Maxiest on January 09, 2013, 03:30:44 AM
Who is your shit team. Betcha if they are in the SEC, LSU has beaten them.

You want a 4 team playoff system. When your team does not make it will you be crying for a 8 or 16 team playoff system?????????

Actually there will be a 4 team playoff system beginning in 2014.  I think it needs to be more myself and has nothing to do with my shit SEC team, which is shit at the moment.  They wouldn't have made in a 48 team play off system.
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: Maxiest on January 09, 2013, 03:32:15 AM
what are you talking about? LSU beat Alabama in the regular season.They would have easily beaten Stanford in a semifinal to get to the championship

Maybe, maybe not...  There have been several wildcard teams that won the Superbowl.
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: BigTex on January 09, 2013, 04:14:43 AM
Maybe, maybe not...  There have been several wildcard teams that won the Superbowl.

College football is not the NFL, the saying is any given Sunday and not any given Saturday for a reason.
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: wasp69 on January 09, 2013, 07:53:42 AM
what are you talking about? LSU beat Alabama in the regular season.They would have easily beaten Stanford in a semifinal to get to the championship

But couldn't manage to pull it off against Clemson?  I dunno, maybe LSU last season but not this year.
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: wasp69 on January 09, 2013, 07:54:29 AM
College football is not the NFL, the saying is any given Sunday and not any given Saturday for a reason.

What do you mean?  College is much more volatile than the pros.
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: Maxiest on January 09, 2013, 10:42:03 AM
College football is not the NFL, the saying is any given Sunday and not any given Saturday for a reason.

What reason might that be?  That makes no sense.  It is any given Saturday... Texas A&M proved that.
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: BigTex on January 09, 2013, 11:19:07 AM
What do you mean?  College is much more volatile than the pros.

The 32nd team in the NFL can beat the 1st team in the NFL in any given game, the 123rd (or whatever we are up to now) could never even be competitive with the #1 team in college football.
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: BigTex on January 09, 2013, 11:20:47 AM
What reason might that be?  That makes no sense.  It is any given Saturday... Texas A&M proved that.

The #5 team with the Heisman winner beat the #1 team thats not exactly a huge upset.
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: Maxiest on January 09, 2013, 11:23:04 AM
The 32nd team in the NFL can beat the 1st team in the NFL in any given game, the 123rd (or whatever we are up to now) could never even be competitive with the #1 team in college football.

Well you are being a little far fetched.  I don't think me or anyone else in the whole world thinks that.  But the number 10 or 5 team in the NCAA can.  Did not A&M prove that?

And maybe we need to look at why that is, how come they can in basketball but not football?  Maybe this would change with a play off system?  Look at the NCAA basketball playoffs... Small schools such as Memphis go all the way.
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: NHSparky on January 09, 2013, 11:36:09 AM
First off, the ranking system in Div I is much more subjective than that of the NFL "power rankings". 

USC this year proved that.  How many preseason number 1 teams are still there at the end of the year?  Or even close?

The major reason behind that is player turnover.  While the average NFL career is just over 5 years, you can count on a lot of the impact players to stay on a team for longer than that--in many cases their entire 12-15+ year careers.  Few players make that kind of impact in Div I, and even then the most talented of them last 4 years, 5 if they were redshirted. 

And again, success in college ranks often does not translate into success in the NFL.  Look at all the high 1st-rounders who have flopped, and look at guys like Brady, Montana, et al, who were picked far down the list yet had HOF type careers.

Oh, and anyone here think that Monday night helped Manti Te'o and his draft prospects in April?  Yeah, me neither.
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: BigTex on January 09, 2013, 12:08:03 PM
Well you are being a little far fetched.  I don't think me or anyone else in the whole world thinks that.  But the number 10 or 5 team in the NCAA can.  Did not A&M prove that?

You think that, you are the one who cited the phrase "on any given Sunday" which the whole phrase is "on any given Sunday ANY team can beat ANY other team"

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And maybe we need to look at why that is, how come they can in basketball but not football?  Maybe this would change with a play off system?  Look at the NCAA basketball playoffs... Small schools such as Memphis go all the way.

The games are really different, the nature of basketball makes games closer and lets more underdogs win in a single game.
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: wasp69 on January 09, 2013, 12:16:16 PM
The 32nd team in the NFL can beat the 1st team in the NFL in any given game, the 123rd (or whatever we are up to now) could never even be competitive with the #1 team in college football.

Yet an unranked, DIV II team can come into a major DIV I team's stadium and hand them their ass on national television or a suck team from a suck division can beat a top 10 team on Thursday night.

It happens quite frequently, usually to teams that don't take their opponents seriously which is how a #32 team can beat a #1 team on any given Sunday.
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: wasp69 on January 09, 2013, 12:22:08 PM
The #5 team with the Heisman winner beat the #1 team thats not exactly a huge upset.

No, but the week 11 #15 with 2 losses (both to SEC teams) beating the undefeated #1 (king of the SEC) team at home was a big upset.
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: BigTex on January 09, 2013, 12:33:16 PM
Yet an unranked, DIV II team can come into a major DIV I team's stadium and hand them their ass on national television

App St was ranked #1 in Div 2, those teams are pretty good they are about as good as the #25 Div 1 team and it took a game winning field goal block to win. If we are talking about preseason rankings those are horrible every year a big time program gets a preseason top 10 ranking and finishes poorly. Because of the unequal schedule win / loss record dont tell the tale. So sometimes the #10 team has a chance against the #1 team (like an A&M team that was young and played top SEC competition) and sometimes there was never a shot for them to win (like ND who played pushovers all year)
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: BigTex on January 09, 2013, 12:37:01 PM
No, but the week 11 #15 with 2 losses (both to SEC teams) beating the undefeated #1 (king of the SEC) team at home was a big upset.

I would say it was only a big upset because A&M had never played at that level before, if next year a 2 loss A&M plays an undefeated SEC team you are going to expect it to be close arent you?
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: Lacarnut on January 09, 2013, 12:52:44 PM
Actually there will be a 4 team playoff system beginning in 2014.  I think it needs to be more myself and has nothing to do with my shit SEC team, which is shit at the moment.  They wouldn't have made in a 48 team play off system.

I asked you a question. Who is your shit team??? LSU has won 2 National Championships in the last 10 years. So, you are the one that is full of shit.
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: Maxiest on January 09, 2013, 04:25:43 PM
I asked you a question. Who is your shit team??? LSU has won 2 National Championships in the last 10 years. So, you are the one that is full of shit.

What the **** is your problem?  My shit team is UT and is irrelevant to an anything in this ****ing thread.  So how am I full of shit?
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: Lacarnut on January 09, 2013, 04:41:39 PM
What the **** is your problem?  My shit team is UT and is irrelevant to an anything in this ****ing thread.  So how am I full of shit?

I was responding to your post about LSU being a shit team. Don't get your bowels in an uproar; your head is liable to explode. BTW, the UT does not come close to the won lost record that LSU has posted in the last 10 years. That is a fact shithead.

 
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: Maxiest on January 09, 2013, 04:45:51 PM
I was responding to your post about LSU being a shit team. Don't get your bowels in an uproar; your head is liable to explode. BTW, the UT does not come close to the won lost record that LSU has posted in the last 10 years. That is a fact shithead.

 

I never said LSU was a shit team...  not sure where you got that.   Although Clemson would and could argue that point.
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: Lacarnut on January 09, 2013, 05:09:01 PM
I never said LSU was a shit team...  not sure where you got that.   Although Clemson would and could argue that point.

Wrong.....On page 4 second post from the bottom, you did.

LSU needs to revamp its offensive coordinators. One has Parkinson disease and the other is just not worth a shit. Coach Miles is a good coach; his loyalty might be admiral but they need to go.

With 2 min. in the game LSU has the ball with 2nd down and 2 yards to go, they pass it twice. That is the dumbest calls I have seen cause Clemson had no time outs and running the ball twice would have eaten up 1.5 min off the clock. A first down would have ensured victory. LSU has the talent to beat any team but their offense sucks due to bad offense coaches.
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: Maxiest on January 09, 2013, 05:21:28 PM
Wrong.....On page 4 second post from the bottom, you did.

LSU needs to revamp its offensive coordinators. One has Parkinson disease and the other is just not worth a shit. Coach Miles is a good coach; his loyalty might be admiral but they need to go.

With 2 min. in the game LSU has the ball with 2nd down and 2 yards to go, they pass it twice. That is the dumbest calls I have seen cause Clemson had no time outs and running the ball twice would have eaten up 1.5 min off the clock. A first down would have ensured victory. LSU has the talent to beat any team but their offense sucks due to bad offense coaches.

You're right, I'm wrong...  Most of my friends are LSU groupies and think Miles needs to go.  Me? I could care less.
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: wasp69 on January 09, 2013, 06:02:56 PM
App St was ranked #1 in Div 2, those teams are pretty good they are about as good as the #25 Div 1 team and it took a game winning field goal block to win.

Irrelevant.  Appy State was a season opener tune up team that showed up ready to play and Michigan didn't take them seriously.  How they won doesn't matter since the bottom line was - they won.  I watched that game, Appy State dominated Michigan in their own stadium on both sides of the ball.

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So sometimes the #10 team has a chance against the #1 team (like an A&M team that was young and played top SEC competition) and sometimes there was never a shot for them to win (like ND who played pushovers all year)

Uh, yeah, I know, that's kinda what I've said.
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: wasp69 on January 09, 2013, 06:28:11 PM
I would say it was only a big upset because A&M had never played at that level before

Maybe so, I would tend to agree and say also that there were many factors that made it an upset (freshman QB, first year in the conference, already lost two conference games, playing Alabama in Tuscaloosa, etc).

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if next year a 2 loss A&M plays an undefeated SEC team you are going to expect it to be close arent you?

What I have learned watching the SEC over the years is that it takes an SEC team to really beat an SEC team; again, college can be volatile.  What I expect next year is for A and M to give Alabama a serious run in the SEC West if not possibly winning the SEC outright.
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: Maxiest on January 10, 2013, 08:50:54 PM
Maybe so, I would tend to agree and say also that there were many factors that made it an upset (freshman QB, first year in the conference, already lost two conference games, playing Alabama in Tuscaloosa, etc).

What I have learned watching the SEC over the years is that it takes an SEC team to really beat an SEC team; again, college can be volatile.  What I expect next year is for A and M to give Alabama a serious run in the SEC West if not possibly winning the SEC outright.

All I know is I had a footballgasm watching it happen, A&M beat AL that is.  I think a few SEC teams new and old to shine next year.  A&M and Vandy to name a few.  Probably like you said A&M has the best shot at giving AL a run for its money.

Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: Lacarnut on January 10, 2013, 09:39:02 PM
All I know is I had a footballgasm watching it happen, A&M beat AL that is.  I think a few SEC teams new and old to shine next year.  A&M and Vandy to name a few.  Probably like you said A&M has the best shot at giving AL a run for its money.



Don't count out LSU. They beat the Aggies on their home turf even with a lousy offensive showing. They have to play in Tiger stadium which is a tough place to play next year. If they could only get a decent offensive QB and coach, they could go all the way. Coach Miles is too damn stubborn to do that. 2 more years of poor offense and Miles will be canned.
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: wasp69 on January 10, 2013, 09:43:23 PM
All I know is I had a footballgasm watching it happen, A&M beat AL that is.  I think a few SEC teams new and old to shine next year.  A&M and Vandy to name a few.  Probably like you said A&M has the best shot at giving AL a run for its money.

Out of all the teams Alabama played this year, I knew A&M was going to be the toughest.  They made all of the right adjustments as the season went along and they kept getting better and better.  I don't see Vandy being a huge threat in the SEC next year, I'm saving that designator for South Carolina.  However, I do see A&M being a thorn in Bama's ass in the SEC West.
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: Rebel on January 11, 2013, 01:38:21 PM
I think we need an 8-team playoff just to end the whiny little bitches' arguments once and for all.


BTW, time to retire this computer:

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/one-bcs-computer-still-ranks-notre-dame-no-185628284--ncaaf.html
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: USA4ME on January 11, 2013, 05:27:23 PM
I agree with those saying TAMU will be Bama's toughest team to beat in the years to come.  They're the only Texas team in the SEC, and many Texas players want to play for a Texas team if they can help it.  That makes TAMU the premier team in Texas to play for if you want to play against the best.

The only other team in the SEC that enjoys that is Florida.  If a Florida player wants to play for a Florida team in the best league, then UF is it.  Georgia is almost in the same boat, but they just don't have the large pool of players in-state that Texas and Florida do.  I think it's a big advantage for any team who can say "You're from (State), then here's the team to be on if you want to join hands with other players and prove that players from (State) are the best!"

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Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: Maxiest on January 12, 2013, 11:03:28 AM
I agree with those saying TAMU will be Bama's toughest team to beat in the years to come.  They're the only Texas team in the SEC, and many Texas players want to play for a Texas team if they can help it.  That makes TAMU the premier team in Texas to play for if you want to play against the best.

The only other team in the SEC that enjoys that is Florida.  If a Florida player wants to play for a Florida team in the best league, then UF is it.  Georgia is almost in the same boat, but they just don't have the large pool of players in-state that Texas and Florida do.  I think it's a big advantage for any team who can say "You're from (State), then here's the team to be on if you want to join hands with other players and prove that players from (State) are the best!"

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You are right, but there is only so much room and a large pool of players in Texas and Florida.

Interesting enough, I looked up some rosters...  And wow, you are spot on...  About 97% of A&M's roster is from Texas as is Florida's.  When I looked at AL I was a little surprised to find nearly 85% of theirs from AL (surprised because I didn't realize AL had that much HS football talent) a lot from GA and some from TX and FL.

I think this is why teams like Ole Miss and MS State will never be contenders.  My experience living and growing up in MS then moving to TN really opened my eyes to the difference just these two states take football.  It was fun and people like it in MS, but here in middle TN its an event.  The high school games are crazy.  Broadcast on TV/Radio, packed with fans, people even paint their cars the school colors.  Totally different than MS.  So Ole Miss and State have no talent to choose from.  And I know football is huge in TX and FL so they have tons of talent to choose from.
Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: USA4ME on January 12, 2013, 08:02:25 PM
If MS could keep it's talent in-state it would have some of the best teams in college football.  Of that I cannot be convinced otherwise.  Some of the best pro players in several positions are from MS (Walter Payton, Jerry Rice, Brent Favre, etc...).  Problem is they lose most their good players to out-of-state schools.

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Title: Re: SEC vs. ND
Post by: Rebel on January 14, 2013, 09:54:38 AM
I think this is why teams like Ole Miss and MS State will never be contenders.  My experience living and growing up in MS then moving to TN really opened my eyes to the difference just these two states take football. 

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/teamrank/2013/all/all

We'll be alright, and with 2 5-Stars about to commit, our recruiting ranking should be top 10. Also, I don't think A&M was that great of a Juggernaut, seeing as how we were beating them handily until the coach made a boneheaded call in the 4th QTR on his own 39 yard line from the damn shotgun.

http://espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=322800145

Bama has always had problems with mobile QBs that could also pass. See Cam Newton.