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MCDONALD'S STRIKER: 'They're Not Paying Us Enough To Survive'
http://www.businessinsider.com/mcdonalds-fast-food-strike-nyc-2012-11
New York City fast food workers are expected to walk off the job this morning in a one-day strike, Josh Eidelson at Salon reports.
The chains involved are McDonald's, Wendy's, Burger King, KFC, Domino's, Taco Bell and Papa John's.
Why are the workers walking out?
"They're not paying us enough to survive," 21-year-old McDonald's worker Raymond Lopez tells Salon. "This company has enough money to pay us a reasonable amount for all that we do … they’re just not going to give it to us as long as they can get away with it."
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/mcdonalds-fast-food-strike-nyc-2012-11#ixzz2DcM4XwDc
Keep in mind that McD's had to change their order registers from the printed word of "french fries" to a picture representation of "french fries" because the employee's couldn't read.
Magoo48 (621 posts)
1. I support a living wage for all who work...
Then go back to school and increase your value.
greytdemocrat (1,178 posts)
3. Interesting...
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I personally find the concept of considering a McDonald's burger flipper job a career you could "survive" at, hilarious.
It's a part time job for kids. If this is all you can do to "survive", you have bigger problems.
Uh-Oh. This is not going to go over very well.
Skidmore (28,144 posts)
9. What type of jobs do you think people have migrated to when they
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were drummed out of careers by downsizing. I know people with multiple degrees who now are found stocking Walmart shelves, working for janitorial services, and flipping burgers. Where do older people go when they are considered to expensive for the company to employ? What types of work is available in areas where manufacturing has moved elsewhere? These types of jobs ceased to be teenager jobs some time ago.
We had a date night a couple of Saturdays ago (don't do those much anymore because they eat up the budget). We went to a matinee showing of Lincoln and our meal was at Burger King. There was a woman bussing the tables who most certainly was in her late 70s or her 80s. She was stooped over and limping while the young adults whizzed around her. Wonder if that job meant that her SS check couldn't be stretched to cover her monthly expenses. It doesn't take much and not everyone is seeking a "career" at a place like McDonald's. Quite often it is a way to supplement other income. I don't know your circumstances, but that snark is contemptible.
The dirty drawers is quite the exaggerator, isn't she?
Stonepounder (36 posts)
13. You obviously have never been unemployed.
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Think about someone like me. I was laid off from my job of 20 years when I was 61. Thankfully, between my severance, unemployment insurance, and some savings, we were able to make it to my 62nd birthday and get onto Social Security. Had it happened a year earlier, we would have been screwed, because the unemployment would have run out before SS kicked in. I would have gladly taken a job as a burger-flipper or a greeter at Wal-Mart. But that was at the height of the recession and there were NO jobs available.
So, yeah, I would have had bigger problems. So, what, exactly, was your point?
LOL. It took severance pay, unemployment and his savings just to survive one year.
sarisataka (1,048 posts)
15. I manage a McDonalds so know exactly what everyone makes
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I do not know how they support families either. Like many of them it was not my first career choice but after my 80+k job moved away and 18 mos. unemployed I was a bit desperate. I consider myself lucky to come in as management making 30% of what I used to.
At some point you have to accept that to survive you are not 'above' any job. If you are a burger flipper, be the best damn burger flipper. Go where you can with that career or at least survive while looking for better.
You wonder why so many immigrants work at McD-- because they are willing to work. I am proud of my Hispanic, SE Asian and Somali workers. They give me an honest days work for the best I can get for them. I encourage them to seek management or education for something better in the meantime. My biggest problem is those who do believe such a job is beneath them. They are argumentative, don't want to do things like empty the trash, do a poor job when they do it and still gripe that they are not paid enough.
How about that. There are some DUmmies that do have a job. I always thought it was only a rumor.
DaveJ (4,734 posts)
21. "This company has enough money to pay us..."
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That is a key statement. They aren't asking for a minimum wage increase because there are some companies that might not be able to afford it. Personally, I think that if a company can't afford to pay their employees well, they should throw in the towel. But there may be a few exceptions so I'm not sure.
At any rate, it's more practical to direct their concerns to their employer rather than to ask the state for a minimum wage hike.
So if a company can't afford to pay you what you think that you're worth, they should go out of business?
Sheesh!!!!
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Heh... Ya this is going to end well.
http://www.jammiewf.com/2012/former-acorn-honcho-wants-to-unionize-nyc-fast-food-workers/
Former ACORN Honcho Wants to Unionize NYC Fast Food Workers
Posted by Jammie on Nov 29, 2012 at 7:37 am
Making a mere $8 an hour to give attitude to customers just isn’t enough to make it these days, and now these schlubs are looking for $15 an hour. Hey, why not tack on some “free†healthcare and a fat pension while you’re at it?
What could possibly go wrong, other than mass layoffs?
After three years of working at the McDonald’s restaurant on 51st Street and Broadway, Alterique Hall earns $8 an hour — and is yearning for something better.
So when he heard about an unusual campaign that aims to unionize dozens of fast-food restaurants in New York in the hope of raising wages to $15 an hour, Mr. Hall, 23, was quick to sign on.
“It’s time for a change,†he said, “It’s time to put on the gloves.â€
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"They're not paying us enough to survive," 21-year-old McDonald's worker Raymond Lopez tells Salon. "This company has enough money to pay us a reasonable amount for all that we do … they’re just not going to give it to us as long as they can get away with it."
When I first read this, I thought it was an article from The Onion.
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Just wondering where all these DUmmies are going to go for food when they put all these fast food chains out of business?
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JDPriestly (34,380 posts)
20. As a former McDonald's worker (long, long ago)
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I support the strikers. I know how bad it was way back when -- early 1970s. I can only imagine what it is like now.
Way back then, I actually was paid better once I was eligible for unemployment than I earned at McDonalds.
He worked at McD's long enough to qualify for unemployment benefits then quit, only to make more money!!! :???:
I smell McBullshit.
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Unemployment is generally paid at minimum wage. With all the liberal feelgoodism that NYC is rampant with, I'm surprised they don't enforce their own wage standards.
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Unemployment is generally paid at minimum wage. With all the liberal feelgoodism that NYC is rampant with, I'm surprised they don't enforce their own wage standards.
Or other unions.
Carpenters Union Pays Minimum Wage to Hire Protestors
The Mid-Atlantic Regional Council of Carpenters is paying unemployed non-union workers to protest outside Washington, D.C., office buildings, telling the Wall Street Journal that it's sometimes too difficult to get its own people to come downtown to demonstrate.
WSJ reports that the carpenters union has been hiring people -- many of whom have no ideology on an issue -- to to walk picket lines, chant and generally sound off each day at around 150 picket lines in the District of Columbia and Baltimore.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/07/16/report-carpenters-union-pays-minimum-wage-hire-protestors/#ixzz2DdALW6Yb
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Don't forget the UFCW folks in Vegas some years back who stuck a bunch of "protestors" outside a WalMart in the middle of summer and paid them $6/hour, with no shade or water.
The WW employees inside the air-conditioned building were making upwards of $8/hour.
But my all-time favorite is from about 10-12 years ago, when ACORN (remember them?) was going around Santa Monica, trying to get people to sign a petition to get a "living wage" initiative on the ballot there--and they went to the state of CA and asked for a waiver to minimum wage laws because they weren't able to put enough petitioners out unless they paid less than minimum wage.
Finally, DUmmies--a Big Mac at McD's costs $4 these days. How much more do you think it'll cost if you start paying all the employees $15/hour with bennies?
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white_wolf (4,977 posts)
36. So that makes it even worse.
Every job should pay a living wage, I don't care if you are a burger flipper or manager.
These people are such f'n idiots. Tell ya what, White_Wolf, you f'n Communist, let's raise the minimum wage to 50K. After 2 years, all prices will rise to reflect the wage increases, the pay scales will shift as will that fictitious poverty rate, and you stupid douchebags will be right back here bitching about 50K not being enough to live on.
Everything is relative, DUmbasses.
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I guess these idiots never heard of getting a roommate... or moving the hell out of NYC.
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I have yet to see a post or comment on any thread, as to what "a living wage", is considered to be.
They throw that out on a regular basis, but, never define it.
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Wow, I don't think I want to pay $7.50 for a Big Mac.....
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Didn't OWS solve all this? If not, the fast food employees need to go to Zuccotti Park and ask what's up.
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I have yet to see a post or comment on any thread, as to what "a living wage", is considered to be.
They throw that out on a regular basis, but, never define it.
4,000 square foot house, a BMW or better, $2,000 a week to waste after bills and dope, 49 weeks paid vacation with 3 weeks sick leave annually and a 10 hour work week.......they'll strike for a shorter work week later.
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These people are such f'n idiots. Tell ya what, White_Wolf, you f'n Communist, let's raise the minimum wage to 50K. After 2 years, all prices will rise to reflect the wage increases, the pay scales will shift as will that fictitious poverty rate, and you stupid douchebags will be right back here bitching about 50K not being enough to live on.
Everything is relative, DUmbasses.
Could go back to the old Piece work plan, one gets minimun wage and paid extra for piece work. My first job as a teenager was to work this machine in a shoe shop. Scared the hell out of me, it was a bar machine that sewed straps onto shoes. Simple and easy, just place the strap on the shoe, put the foot down on the material and hit the foot peddle, the machine did it all.
Had I been 10 years older and not had to watch as another worker somehow got her thumb under the foot, had my husband not taken my pay check each week and given me just lunch money, I could have made a living wage and worked even harder.
All came down to working my butt off for $3.00 a week for lunch money and have someone else in charge of my money. Culture clash between those that handle the money and those that want a say in it.
Take a ride to the old mill towns where 80 years ago they were booming. Notice all the small homes that were built on the idea of Piece work. Businesses paid the minimun wage then gave the workers the chance to work as hard and as long as they wished to make even more money. It was up to the worker to decide what their salary would be.
No one complained about the wages they got, it was up to them to decide how hard they worked and what they wanted for a living wage.
Asians today do much the same, they work 2-3 jobs much like piece work, they do not expect any one job to pay them a living wage unless they spread it out to become one.
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The entitlement crowd! you don't make enough at your job? go back to school or learn a trade, or get a 2nd job.
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Good point, Vesta!
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I'll consider paying more for a burger so they can have higher wages when they stop ****ING ME AT THE DRIVE-THRU!
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white_wolf (4,977 posts)
36. So that makes it even worse.
Every job should pay a living wage, I don't care if you are a burger flipper or manager.
Yeah, stick it to the man, man...watch McDs go out of business, they'll go bankrupt and close all their shops just like Twinkies did.
Now what DUmmie?.....how's that "living wage" working out for you now?
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I have yet to see a post or comment on any thread, as to what "a living wage", is considered to be.
They throw that out on a regular basis, but, never define it.
It's like "Fair share" - it means whatever they want it to mean at the moment, not a real number. It's just a tool to arbitrarily impose their will on their opponents, like "Lebensraum."
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Where do older people go when they are considered to expensive for the company to employ?
What makes you think Burger King won't consider them "too expensive to employ" if they start having to hire them full-time at a "living wage" with full benefits?
The whole appeal of fast food isn't that you just get it fast, it's that you get it cheaper, too. When you end up having to pay the same or more there for a burger and fries as you would at a sit-down restaurant, figure ten bucks or more with tax, then what's the advantage? People struggling with food costs will be screwed. What's going to happen to all those teenagers and college students who just want to earn a little extra cash over the summer, or the spouse just trying to add a little supplement to the primary household earner's income? Their positions will be eliminated in favor of full-time-only, older workers who plan to stay on long-term. The law of unintended consequences doesn't even merit a passing glance with these fools.
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It's like "Fair share" - it means whatever they want it to mean at the moment, not a real number. It's just a tool to arbitrarily impose their will on their opponents, like "Lebensraum."
They're not that far from that:
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/liz-thatcher/2012/11/28/environmentalists-push-downsizing-200-sq-ft-homes
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What makes you think Burger King won't consider them "too expensive to employ" if they start having to hire them full-time at a "living wage" with full benefits?
The whole appeal of fast food isn't that you just get it fast, it's that you get it cheaper, too. When you end up having to pay the same or more there for a burger and fries as you would at a sit-down restaurant, figure ten bucks or more with tax, then what's the advantage? People struggling with food costs will be screwed. What's going to happen to all those teenagers and college students who just want to earn a little extra cash over the summer, or the spouse just trying to add a little supplement to the primary household earner's income? Their positions will be eliminated in favor of full-time-only, older workers who plan to stay on long-term. The law of unintended consequences doesn't even merit a passing glance with these fools.
Newsflash--it's already there. BK or McD's "meal deals" going for $7-8 now? (More in NYC, BTW.) Sit down places like Red Robin are charging similar prices, so what's the point of going through when you get a better burger at the same price?
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Newsflash--it's already there. BK or McD's "meal deals" going for $7-8 now? (More in NYC, BTW.) Sit down places like Red Robin are charging similar prices, so what's the point of going through when you get a better burger at the same price?
Steak~n~Shake is cheaper than Burger King and the food is much better imo.
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Steak~n~Shake is cheaper than Burger King and the food is much better imo.
Same with places like Five Guys and In-N-Out.
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Steak-n-Shake has the best milkshakes.
Wish they'd get better french fries, though.
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So...I just got home, had to lay in some supplies.
Stopped off McD and picked up a #1 with a med drink. (poorly constructed Big Mac, large order of stale fries)
$5.79
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Newsflash--it's already there. BK or McD's "meal deals" going for $7-8 now? (More in NYC, BTW.) Sit down places like Red Robin are charging similar prices, so what's the point of going through when you get a better burger at the same price?
True that. Prices have gone way up, especially for the so-called "premium burgers". Consider Hardee's "Six-Dollar Burger". Six bucks just for the burger? Maybe if it looked like it does in the photos. Instead, you get about half the ingredients, a dried out beef patty, and the whole thing looks like someone sat on it before it was boxed.
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Same with places like Five Guys and In-N-Out.
I don't like Five Guys at all.
Fries at McDonald's are far better, in my opinion.
The burger at Five Guys was okay, but so gigantic I could not begin to eat it like a sandwich.
Taking up the challenge anyway, I ended up with pieces of hamburger scattered all over, and used a fork to eat them.
So, it was a very unsatisfactory lunch and at least double the price of McDonald's or Wendy's.
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Steak-n-Shake has the best milkshakes.
Wish they'd get better french fries, though.
I love there fries!! Don't make me hurt you. :-)
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I love there fries!! Don't make me hurt you. :-)
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Really? I used to work at a restaurant (one of those Applebee's-type places) that served those shoestring fries. The owner switched over to something more like Wendy's fries and the sandwich and burger sales exploded. They were great.
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No one has mentioned the fast food tragedy of our age.
Wendy's, from the day it sprang up from Dave Thomas's ambition, had by far the best french fries of any restaurant.
A couple of years ago, adrift after Dave's death, the Wendy's braintrust decided to change their fries to something more like french fried potato peels.
They went from near perfection to the worst french fries available in the Western Hemisphere.
Their hamburgers are still great, but are ruined by their companion fries. Worse even than waffle fries.
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Really? I used to work at a restaurant (one of those Applebee's-type places) that served those shoestring fries. The owner switched over to something more like Wendy's fries and the sandwich and burger sales exploded. They were great.
Yeah, well I like shoe string onion rings, too, so maybe there's the catch.
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The only thing that I order from McD's is their coffee. Best coffee, bar none, from a drive thru.
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For a job that pays $8-$9 an hour to start and benefits as well such as getting health benefits that they got an exemption on from the Government I'd say that for entry level that is pretty damn good considering how 80% of entry level jobs don't have the same deal.
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A few short decades ago, McD's fries were the absolute best.
Went from full potato to fries, right on the premises.
I know, I did it. The secret is for sale. :-)
I was making double cheese-burgers before they were even offered as a menu item.
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The only thing that I order from McD's is their coffee. Best coffee, bar none, from a drive thru.
Worst coffee on earth. Hotter than molten lava.
If you get it from a drive thru, you have to drive another 75 miles before it's cooled down enough to drink.
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Personally I just wish they would pay half as much attention to their job as they do to their smart phone.
Of course a prog would be happy to explain to you that they don't make enough money to pay attention to their work.
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Worst coffee on earth. Hotter than molten lava.
If you get it from a drive thru, you have to drive another 75 miles before it's cooled down enough to drink.
McDonald's iced coffee is better. You get a lot for your money. Way better than Starbucks.
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Ungrateful bastards. :mental:
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Skidmore
These types of jobs ceased to be teenager jobs some time ago.
Actually they are still teenager jobs, it's just some adults are choosing to work them. But that doesn't make the job any more difficult. You work a teenager job and you get a teenager pay. Asking a business to up the pay grade because the one working the entry level job is 57 and has a doctrate in International Fine Arts and Lauguage Studies is asinine, which no doubt is why it seemed to you to be brilliant.
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Stonepounder (36 posts)
13. You obviously have never been unemployed.
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Think about someone like me. I was laid off from my job of 20 years when I was 61. Thankfully, between my severance, unemployment insurance, and some savings, we were able to make it to my 62nd birthday and get onto Social Security. Had it happened a year earlier, we would have been screwed, because the unemployment would have run out before SS kicked in. I would have gladly taken a job as a burger-flipper or a greeter at Wal-Mart. But that was at the height of the recession and there were NO jobs available.
So, yeah, I would have had bigger problems. So, what, exactly, was your point?
20 years and you didn't save. Your former employer, society, and life didn't screw you, you did it to yourself. No wonder this DUmbass is happy to flip burgers, no drive, ambition, or ability to improve their job skill.
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I'm looking at the same thing. Hell, I've got more than enough in my 401(k) (at least until Obumbles steals it) alone that I can survive for a couple of years.
And there ain't no way in hell I'm out of work anywhere near that long before I retire. IF I retire.
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I'm looking at the same thing. Hell, I've got more than enough in my 401(k) (at least until Obumbles steals it) alone that I can survive for a couple of years.
And there ain't no way in hell I'm out of work anywhere near that long before I retire. IF I retire.
You too??
Now I don't feel so bad.
I'd have to go get a job within the first three months, if I did.
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You too??
Now I don't feel so bad.
I'd have to go get a job within the first three months, if I did.
I might slow down a bit, but it'll be a cold day in hell before I stop working entirely. I'll probably be like Walter when he says, "Welcome to WalMart, get yer shit and get out!"
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Actually they are still teenager jobs, it's just some adults are choosing to work them.
The first McDonald's I ever saw was in the early or mid-sixties. No tables, and the big arches were on each side of the building.
Workers were all high schoolers, seventy-five cents an hour, and they RAN, non-stop. It was continuous bedlam behind the counters.
That's why the term "fast food" was coined.
The pace of work at a McDonald's today, with penniless middle-aged DUmpmonkeys on the job, is glacial by comparison.
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I might slow down a bit, but it'll be a cold day in hell before I stop working entirely. I'll probably be like Walter when he says, "Welcome to WalMart, get yer shit and get out!"
I figure if I can perform my job better than firty percent of the others, I'll stay.
Drop below that, and I go.
The first McDonald's I ever saw was in the early or mid-sixties. No tables, and the big arches were on each side of the building.
Workers were all high schoolers, seventy-five cents an hour, and they RAN, non-stop. It was continuous bedlam behind the counters.
That's why the term "fast food" was coined.
The pace of work at a McDonald's today, with penniless middle-aged DUmpmonkeys on the job, is glacial by comparison.
You too, I see.
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A few short decades ago, McD's fries were the absolute best.
Went from full potato to fries, right on the premises.
I know, I did it. The secret is for sale. :-)
I was making double cheese-burgers before they were even offered as a menu item.
I know the secret too, I was working there for $3.35/hr when we switched over to the new oil they use.
Double cheeseburgers were not on the daily menu, but were sold a couple times a year, and the double quarter pounder was not sold at all, even though we made them for ourselves. :-)
The secret for the fires was Beef Tallow
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3.35? I started working for McDonald's when they "proudly paid above minimum wage" one dollar and ninety cents an hour. Five cents above minimum :rotf: They got unproud when minimum went over that :whatever:
About 5 years later I went back in another part of the country. I was lured into working there after they found out where I'd worked before and wrangled myself a .20 cent above to start with an additional .35 raise after 30 days. I helped them through their crisis and turned down another .25 to stay. I was young and didn't want to have to do breakfast.
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These people are such f'n idiots. Tell ya what, White_Wolf, you f'n Communist, let's raise the minimum wage to 50K. After 2 years, all prices will rise to reflect the wage increases, the pay scales will shift as will that fictitious poverty rate, and you stupid douchebags will be right back here bitching about 50K not being enough to live on.
*Ding Ding Ding*
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I haven't read the posts in this thread yet but people aren't suppose to live on a McDonalds income. It should be a transition job or a job for kids (unless you are in management).
Sometimes I just want to :bitchslap: DUmmies.
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I know the secret too, I was working there for $3.35/hr when we switched over to the new oil they use.
Double cheeseburgers were not on the daily menu, but were sold a couple times a year, and the double quarter pounder was not sold at all, even though we made them for ourselves. :-)
The secret for the fires was Beef Tallow
Fifty pound cubes of vegetable based oil. Did many oil changes while there.
The secret was in the prep.
Here it is.
Wash, peal, wash, slice, wash, wash again.
Hang and let drain.
Put basket in oil for 30 seconds, remove and let drain and cool to room temp.
Only now, do you take the basket and put back in the hot oil. 350 degrees on both steps.
That's all there is to it.
The thirty second blanching then cooling, was the key.
Yes, BEG, you're right.
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If you can't take a food order correctly the first three times, why do you think you deserve more money? Fast food employees ALWAYS find a way to F up an order. Always.
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Fifty pound cubes of vegetable based oil. Did many oil changes while there.
The secret was in the prep.
Here it is.
Wash, peal, wash, slice, wash, wash again.
Hang and let drain.
Put basket in oil for 30 seconds, remove and let drain and cool to room temp.
Only now, do you take the basket and put back in the hot oil. 350 degrees on both steps.
That's all there is to it.
The thirty second blanching then cooling, was the key.
Yes, BEG, you're right.
We had frozen fries by the time I worked there. I still remember the last day we used the beef tallow grease for the fries. They haven't been the same since.
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We had frozen fries by the time I worked there. I still remember the last day we used the beef tallow grease for the fries. They haven't been the same since.
Did you work there during the McLean deluxe days? That was a way bad idea. I miss those fries.
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Did you work there during the McLean deluxe days? That was a way bad idea. I miss those fries.
I think the McLean was after I left to join the Army.
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Did you work there during the McLean deluxe days? That was a way bad idea. I miss those fries.
Holy cow, that sandwich was a bad idea. The bread was terrible.
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Just keep on DUmmies.....and some capitalist will make a machine to flip burgers, stack on a bun and hand it to the customer....much cleaner, faster and with less hassle from you DUmmies..
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Just keep on DUmmies.....and some capitalist will make a machine to flip burgers, stack on a bun and hand it to the customer....much cleaner, faster and with less hassle from you DUmmies..
http://www.thestar.com/business/article/1295160--automatic-burger-machine-could-revolutionize-fast-food
Automatic burger machine could revolutionize fast food
Published on Thursday November 29, 2012
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Marco Chown Oved
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With a beep, a buzz and a whir — and maybe even a little sizzle — the world’s first fully-automatic hamburger machine can prepare, cook and serve a perfect custom-made burger without a single human hand being involved.
A San Francisco startup is taking the Silicon Valley attitude into the fast food market and hoping to revolutionize what they call “the most labour intensive industry in the country.â€
Featuring glass tubes filled with lettuce and tomatoes, a meat-grinder, bun slicer, oven and bagger, the alpha machine is part Rube Goldberg, part Jetsons and promises to be the first step in burger evolution since McDonald’s proliferated around the world.
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http://www.thestar.com/business/article/1295160--automatic-burger-machine-could-revolutionize-fast-food
Well I be damned....I hear they have a market in New York for their machine.
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I haven't read the posts in this thread yet but people aren't suppose to live on a McDonalds income. It should be a transition job or a job for kids (unless you are in management).
Sometimes I just want to :bitchslap: DUmmies.
Just sometimes, Beg??? :wink:
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I haven't read the posts in this thread yet but people aren't suppose to live on a McDonalds income. It should be a transition job or a job for kids (unless you are in management).
Sometimes I just want to :bitchslap: DUmmies.
Even management doesn't't pay that well, high teens to mid 20's