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Title: Just a quick thought about unions
Post by: SSG Snuggle Bunny on November 20, 2012, 06:09:13 AM
Whenever a union goes on strike the corporation ceases, by definition, to produce.

That means no excise taxes are generated. No capital gains taxes are generated. No payments to FICA. No pension funds. No sales taxes. No income taxes. No payments into ObamaCare.

It's not about what's good for society as a whole; it's the union saying "I got mine, **** everybody else."



According to liberals, this is economic terrorism and treason.
Title: Re: Just a quick thought about unions
Post by: Tucker on November 20, 2012, 06:58:48 AM
Whenever a union goes on strike the corporation ceases, by definition, to produce.

That means no excise taxes are generated. No capital gains taxes are generated. No payments to FICA. No pension funds. No sales taxes. No income taxes. No payments into ObamaCare.

It's not about what's good for society as a whole; it's the union saying "I got mine, **** everybody else."



According to liberals, this is economic terrorism and treason.

Their convoluted reasoning would file this one under "For the overall good of society", which would be those Societal issues that they support.
Title: Re: Just a quick thought about unions
Post by: Gina on November 20, 2012, 08:06:00 AM
Snuggles, you need a job as CZAR Logical Thinker in the WH.  You really are one smart bunny.
Title: Re: Just a quick thought about unions
Post by: marv on November 20, 2012, 09:12:55 AM
They probably ate too many Twinkies off the production line, and went crazy. Be that as it may, I understand that Hostess might be bailed out by a *gasp* venture capitalist! Oh, the irony!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Just a quick thought about unions
Post by: wasp69 on November 20, 2012, 09:17:32 AM
They probably ate too many Twinkies off the production line, and went crazy. Be that as it may, I understand that Hostess might be bailed out by a *gasp* venture capitalist! Oh, the irony!!!!!!!!

Actually, they already had been bailed out by venture capitalists 8 years ago after their first bankruptcy.  Thanks to the very people the union scum are blaming for the problem, they had an additional 8 years of steady employment.
Title: Re: Just a quick thought about unions
Post by: Tucker on November 20, 2012, 09:22:18 AM
Actually, they already had been bailed out by venture capitalists 8 years ago after their first bankruptcy.  Thanks to the very people the union scum are blaming for the problem, they had an additional 8 years of steady employment.

Not all of em. Not too many DUmmies can keep a steady job for 8 years running.
Title: Re: Just a quick thought about unions
Post by: Wineslob on November 20, 2012, 09:48:26 AM
Actually, they already had been bailed out by venture capitalists 8 years ago after their first bankruptcy.  Thanks to the very people the union scum are blaming for the problem, they had an additional 8 years of steady employment.


Interestingly enough, I stopped by the local Hostess Outlet just to see what was left. Not much, and the fat-ass welfare types were in there cleaning out the shelves. No, there were no Twinkies. While I was there I talked to the cashiers who almost know me by name. Yes, I've been shopping there for quite a long time. I asked them if they were in the Bakers Union. They said yes. I asked about the "hang up" over the contract. The reply was (usual Union blame game) "Management has been taking money out (from what, I don't know) for years. It has nothing to do with the pension you hear about in the news."
These people never change. It's always "Management ****ed us! Not the strike!"    :whatever:
As I left two cops jumped out of the bushes and searched me for Ho Ho's, Ding Dongs, and Fruit Pies. Not finding any, they let me go.
Title: Re: Just a quick thought about unions
Post by: jukin on November 20, 2012, 10:27:29 AM
SSB, Great points!

I would also challenge anybody, or any DUche to name one single thing that any union has ever done to help a company stay in business, to help it expand, or become more efficient in a world marketplace.
Title: Re: Just a quick thought about unions
Post by: wasp69 on November 20, 2012, 11:59:54 AM
I asked them if they were in the Bakers Union. They said yes. I asked about the "hang up" over the contract. The reply was (usual Union blame game) "Management has been taking money out (from what, I don't know) for years. It has nothing to do with the pension you hear about in the news."
These people never change. It's always "Management ****ed us! Not the strike!"    :whatever:

You could have asked them how their "union resolve" was going to taste this winter when they didn't have paychecks but, alas, you did the best thing that could have been done in that situation.  No sense wasting your breath upon ears that are too stupid to hear; they're going to learn the hard way soon enough.

:ownit:
Title: Re: Just a quick thought about unions
Post by: Karin on November 20, 2012, 12:24:40 PM
The only problem is, they never learn.  This area up here used to be chock full of good papermill jobs.  Wages at $18-30 per hour.  Universities with world-class paper science and engineering programs.  There's hardly any left anymore.  The ex-union people continue to bitch that management ****ed everyone over, even 25 years after the death of a papermill.  I was salaried, so they attack me, after all these years.  I have to attend a party with these people on Dec. 1.  Maybe I'll come back with a bouncy. 
Title: Re: Just a quick thought about unions
Post by: wasp69 on November 20, 2012, 12:29:20 PM
The ex-union people continue to bitch that management ****ed everyone over, even 25 years after the death of a papermill.  I was salaried, so they attack me, after all these years.  I have to attend a party with these people on Dec. 1.  Maybe I'll come back with a bouncy. 

Stab the loudest, stupidest one in the nuts, Karin.  That's what I want to hear about on the 2nd.   :-)
Title: Re: Just a quick thought about unions
Post by: jukin on November 20, 2012, 01:26:31 PM
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The only problem is, they never learn.  This area up here used to be chock full of good papermill jobs.  Wages at $18-30 per hour.  Universities with world-class paper science and engineering programs

That is the thing leftists do not understand. Kill an industry and kill everything around it. I bet there were companies supplying the equipment to the paper mills in the area and paper mills the world over. That machinery companies also folded and that business also went overseas. Same thing happened in kalifornia with the printed circuit board industry. The suppliers all dies too. There are still lots of companies making PCBs in other countries and the suppliers to that consumer industry are now in those countries too. Even if the paper mills were to come back the support industries will never come back. The paper mills in the area will buy their equipment from overseas. Those equipment manufacturers are where really good paying jobs are because they are niche and innovation companies with (GASP) high profit margins.
Title: Re: Just a quick thought about unions
Post by: Zeus on November 20, 2012, 01:38:04 PM
They probably ate too many Twinkies off the production line, and went crazy. Be that as it may, I understand that Hostess might be bailed out by a *gasp* venture capitalist! Oh, the irony!!!!!!!!

Hopefully they are private venture capitalist and keep it that way. Tell the Ding Dong unions they got a snoballs chance in hell of joining them.
Title: Re: Just a quick thought about unions
Post by: Tucker on November 20, 2012, 01:50:27 PM
Hopefully they are private venture capitalist and keep it that way. Tell the Ding Dong unions they got a snoballs chance in hell of joining them.

There's nothing that says that the new management has to use the same facilities or staff.

Build a new plant in a right to work state.
Title: Re: Just a quick thought about unions
Post by: Zeus on November 20, 2012, 01:58:38 PM
There's nothing that says that the new management has to use the same facilities or staff.

Build a new plant in a right to work state.

While that may sound good it's not a feasible tactic.  Would create shipping & distribution problems raising prices because contrary to popular belief Twinkies don't last forever. They have a shelf life of approximately two weeks.
Title: Re: Just a quick thought about unions
Post by: thundley4 on November 20, 2012, 02:01:10 PM
While that may sound good it's not a feasible tactic.  Would create shipping & distribution problems raising prices because contrary to popular belief Twinkies don't last forever. They have a shelf life of approximately two weeks.

(http://dvice.com/assets_c/2012/11/worldsoldesttwinkie-thumb-550xauto-105684.jpg)
35 year old Twinkie.

http://dvice.com/archives/2012/11/yummy-worlds-ol.php
Title: Re: Just a quick thought about unions
Post by: J P Sousa on November 20, 2012, 02:17:12 PM
U.S. Steel Fairless Hills PA>

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  Peak employment was more than 8,000 in 1974.     On August 8, 1991, the company closed the hot side of the plant and the pipe mill. 

This left about 1,000 employed.

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Since the import crisis of 1998, employment levels have fallen sharply and various plant facilities have operated on an irregular basis. 

In 2001 the plant closed.

During it's hey-day, a friend said the wages were great and his job received 6 months vacation every three years because of the conditions he had to work under. A large part of Lower Bucks County PA was occupied with steel workers who had two to three cars, a boat and vacations homes in the Poconos and/or New Jersey shore.

Yeah, unions are great till they kill the company that provided them work.   
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Title: Re: Just a quick thought about unions
Post by: Chris_ on November 20, 2012, 02:23:57 PM
I hope they saved some of that money.
Title: Re: Just a quick thought about unions
Post by: JohnnyReb on November 20, 2012, 03:53:57 PM
WHOA!!!!!! I didn't know that. The bread I was raised on, "Merita Bread", is owned by Hostess.......so, I guess I'll learn to eat WAL-MART bread.

# or 4 months ago, I had a discuss with one of "Merita's" union member delivery guys .... .he was b*tching about the company wouldn't give in to their demands.....I guess he can have a nice, long Christmas vacation now.
Title: Re: Just a quick thought about unions
Post by: Tucker on November 20, 2012, 04:39:37 PM
WHOA!!!!!! I didn't know that. The bread I was raised on, "Merita Bread", is owned by Hostess.......so, I guess I'll learn to eat WAL-MART bread.

# or 4 months ago, I had a discuss with one of "Merita's" union member delivery guys .... .he was b*tching about the company wouldn't give in to their demands.....I guess he can have a nice, long Christmas vacation now.

Bunny Bread for me.
Title: Re: Just a quick thought about unions
Post by: J P Sousa on November 20, 2012, 05:43:51 PM
I used to think; "why would unions risk destroying their jobs"........silly me, because they don't really want to work.......they can collect unemployment and/or welfare.

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Title: Re: Just a quick thought about unions
Post by: SSG Snuggle Bunny on November 20, 2012, 05:50:29 PM
Bunny Bread for me.

You're a true friend.
Title: Re: Just a quick thought about unions
Post by: thundley4 on November 20, 2012, 06:07:41 PM
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Quote from: Tucker on Today at 04:39:37 pm
Bunny Bread for me.

You're a true friend.

He makes the bread from real bunnies.
Title: Re: Just a quick thought about unions
Post by: SSG Snuggle Bunny on November 20, 2012, 07:50:00 PM
He makes the bread from real bunnies.

Beware the raisan loaf.
Title: Re: Just a quick thought about unions
Post by: Maxiest on November 20, 2012, 10:05:11 PM
WHOA!!!!!! I didn't know that. The bread I was raised on, "Merita Bread", is owned by Hostess.......so, I guess I'll learn to eat WAL-MART bread.

# or 4 months ago, I had a discuss with one of "Merita's" union member delivery guys .... .he was b*tching about the company wouldn't give in to their demands.....I guess he can have a nice, long Christmas vacation now.

I posted this in another thread but it goes along here also.

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--Union rules forced Hostess to run separate truck fleets for delivering bread vs. sweets. A sweets driver, serving a 7-11 store, was forbidden from restocking shelves with breads already delivered and waiting in the back—he had to call for a bread driver to swing by and handle.

Read more: http://www.foxbusiness.com/investing/2012/11/19/death-twinkies-union-contract-hit/#ixzz2CpIXWlMP

And these idiots wonder why companies are closing their doors and moving to other countries or right-to-work states?  Or the union workers blame management?  Give me a break.
Title: Re: Re: Re: Just a quick thought about unions
Post by: DLR Pyro on November 20, 2012, 11:20:38 PM


And these idiots wonder why companies are closing their doors and moving to other countries or right-to-work states?  Or the union workers blame management?  Give me a break.
Everything I have learned about running a successful business is the need to continuously improve your systems and efficiencies. Sending 2 delivery trucks to a store when one will do the job makes no sense. Union members need to understand that corporations exist to make a profit for their share holders, not to provide easy money jobs to lazy workers.
Title: Re: Just a quick thought about unions
Post by: cattlebaron on November 21, 2012, 02:39:25 AM
While that may sound good it's not a feasible tactic.  Would create shipping & distribution problems raising prices because contrary to popular belief Twinkies don't last forever. They have a shelf life of approximately two weeks.

They can save in taxes enough to pay the trucking. Also, consider what they'll save in everything a Union would demand they pay? If I can load a truckload full of twinkies the cost per twinkie won't be unsurmountable, unless people just won't pay for twinkies anymore anyway. The commercial property would be a great deal cheaper. The state government would throw out one of those low interest loans and property tax exemptions...etc. etc.
Title: Re: Just a quick thought about unions
Post by: cattlebaron on November 21, 2012, 02:45:40 AM
I used to think; "why would unions risk destroying their jobs"........silly me, because they don't really want to work.......they can collect unemployment and/or welfare.

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The Unions have to have a purpose in order to accept those 'dues'. They create a problem, they convince every member of the problem, and they go into motion. Without strife between labor and management they cease to be relevant. I'm saying it's the MO of a Union and less the fault of their misguided members. How many stories have you heard about these THUGS that came to negotiate with so and so in upper management of some company? I've heard plenty and it makes the hair stand up on your head. 
Title: Re: Just a quick thought about unions
Post by: JohnnyReb on November 21, 2012, 06:10:54 AM
Bunny Bread for me.

Well, whatta U no.....that's the bread the wife brought home last night.
Title: Re: Just a quick thought about unions
Post by: 98ZJUSMC on November 21, 2012, 06:30:05 AM
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-Union rules forced Hostess to run separate truck fleets for delivering bread vs. sweets. A sweets driver, serving a 7-11 store, was forbidden from restocking shelves with breads already delivered and waiting in the back—he had to call for a bread driver to swing by and handle.

...and people used to think the "non-union changing a light bulb" thing was funny (which still is).