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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: dutch508 on May 31, 2008, 07:15:16 PM
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BlueJazz (1000+ posts) Sat May-31-08 08:57 AM
Original message http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3367953
78% of the US population believe in angels
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Sat May-31-08 09:02 AM
Response to Original message
1. So, what is an "angel"
Perhaps many are using a metaphorical view of angels....i.e., those who choose a kinder, benevolent path towards others.....
Goodness, though... If this is what really really upsets you, I fear for your long term sanity...
(http://freedomrider.blogspot.com/Bush%20halo.jpg)
iamthebandfanman (1000+ posts) Sat May-31-08 09:04 AM
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3. which is probably more than
Edited on Sat May-31-08 09:07 AM by iamthebandfanman
people who believe in god.
id LIKE to believe in angels.
if youve ever read about the angel hierarchy and the old catholic church, you know its actually very interesting.
i wish the church would bring back more angel theology
KCabotDullesMarxIII (1000+ posts) Sat May-31-08 04:12 PM
Response to Reply #46
56. That is too sad to even be funny. It is the combination of atheism (both formal
and posing as Christian) together with economic oppression of the less worldly, general population, that has led to this Gadarene plunge into chaos and destruction. And you blame Christianity! You're beyond help.
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Damn, that's a good icon of the president.
I think I'll use it for my avatar after I get bored looking at my fellow alum Skins.
By the way, sir, you do know that the first George Bush is considered a saint in the Eastern Orthodox Church, and one can buy icons representing such all over the socialist paradises of the workers and peasants.
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sleebarker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Sat May-31-08 11:55 AM
Response to Original message
6. That's what happens when people are ignorant
They look for magical explanations of the world.
Have you ever read Carl Sagan's A Candle in the Dark?
Do you mean magical explanations as in spirit guides, woodland fairies, and ghost chickens?
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Do you mean magical explanations as in spirit guides, woodland fairies, and ghost chickens?
Healing white light, Wiccan warlocks, shit like that...... :lmao:
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DUmmie rage at those who think government is NOT the highest power, take 6,461,123.
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Sat May-31-08 12:07 PM
7. Why does that make you angry? n/t
EOTE (1000+ posts) Sat May-31-08 03:48 PM
46. Because these people influence OUR lives.
We have to, in some effect, bow to the will of these people, these grown adults, who believe in magical, benevolent beings who watch over us. Our society is, by and large, ****ed. I wonder how we ended up in this awful situation that we're in now. I wonder how the citizenry could be so stupid to allow this to happen. And then I see statistics like this and it begins to make sense. And it pisses me off.
EOTE must be one of those 'tolerant and accepting of others' liberals I keep hearing about. Never met one in person... :uhsure:
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DUmmie rage at those who think government is NOT the highest power, take 6,461,123.
ROTFL!
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99.9% of DU'ers believe "smudging" will drive negative influences away, who is crazier?
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Sat May-31-08 12:07 PM
7. Why does that make you angry? n/t
EOTE (1000+ posts) Sat May-31-08 03:48 PM
46. Because these people influence OUR lives.
We have to, in some effect, bow to the will of these people, these grown adults, who believe in magical, benevolent beings who watch over us. Our society is, by and large, ****ed. I wonder how we ended up in this awful situation that we're in now. I wonder how the citizenry could be so stupid to allow this to happen. And then I see statistics like this and it begins to make sense. And it pisses me off.
EOTE must be one of those 'tolerant and accepting of others' liberals I keep hearing about. Never met one in person... :uhsure:
How closed-minded an arrogant! EOTE cannot accept that perhaps other realms of existence outside his/her narrow understanding can possible exist. EOTE exists, and he/she certainly does not know why, so how can EOTE assume to know how and why other levels of existence cannot exist?
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sleebarker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Sat May-31-08 11:55 AM
Response to Original message
6. That's what happens when people are ignorant
They look for magical explanations of the world.
Have you ever read Carl Sagan's A Candle in the Dark?
Do you mean magical explanations as in spirit guides, woodland fairies, and ghost chickens?
Ghost chickens? I :rotf: so hard I :bawl:!!!!
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sleebarker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Sat May-31-08 11:55 AM
Response to Original message
6. That's what happens when people are ignorant
They look for magical explanations of the world.
Have you ever read Carl Sagan's A Candle in the Dark?
Do you mean magical explanations as in spirit guides, woodland fairies, and ghost chickens?
Ghost chickens? I :rotf: so hard I :bawl:!!!!
Surely you didn't miss the whole Blackie episode?
undergroundpanther (1000+ posts) Fri Apr-07-06 11:26 PM
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Ghost chickens and warnings
Advertisements [?]I used to have a pet rooster. He was the coolest bird ever.
I got him as a chick,he was a black cute chirpy puffball.I named him Blackie.Most chicks are yellow but Blackie stood out with his inky feathers.He grew up into a handsome jungle fowl rooster with 6 inch dagger like spurs on his ankles that were used against a bullying dog named chipper,who intimidated and chased my dog Mikey. Chipper never came in the yard after that because he feared Blackie...Blackie was a bit vain about his tail,which was beautiful grand display that had him strutting like a peacock to impress the ladies.I used to tell him he was such a hen heart-breaker with that tail.Anyways I had him for around 7 years.He used to crow in the morning and he was so loud he'd wake me up for school.When I got home,I would snatch the cat, and we would crawl into the coop which held the rabbits and doves and chickens. I played my battery operated radio and pet everyone. My cat Rikki and Blackie would lay together sometimes.I could take this chicken anywhere.He would just perch on me. He came when called,He would fly up and perch on my arm if I asked him to. Sometimes he got so comfy resting in the crook of my arm he'd settle his head into my armpit and fall asleep... and he snored too..
I dunno if people understand how beautiful Chickens are.This is what Blackie looked like.He was a Jungle Fowl like this one..a kind of chicken native to Thiland and Asia. Except his Comb was the "Pea" style comb.
I dream of him once in awhile.Sometimes I see his spirit in a tree in the backyard,or walking around.I even saw him in the hospital along with my cat when I had surgery(pre-op)making sure all was ok.. I see his head bobbing back and forth out of the corner of my eye in the house too.I get messages from him. Here is one I had awhile ago and my thoughts on it.
Before the "Bird Flu" scare hit the news a few years ago I dreamed of Blackie. At first he was walking west into the sun. He walked past pits full of burnt and burning dead chickens. He walked to texas and to a veterinary lab facility there. I followed him. He led me to a bio lab where chickens were being tested or injected with something.I saw an image that looked like raspberries.He led me to factory farms filled to capacity with caged chickens that were traumatized and crazy from stress some were suicidal.. They got sick.I saw a few people getting sick from them.The Chickens were angry and calling justice upon the people handling them in factory farms for mistreating them.Blackie warned me about Bird Flu,before it hit the news.I just didn't know it until after the fact..
It would be interesting to see if Bird Flu is bio-engineered.
Considering it is factory farms that are most guilty of spreading it,and it's small local farmers that treat their birds better who are getting their birds culled by their governments,and wild migratory birds being culled while factory farms are not so scrutinized continue to abuse chickens for profits .Anyways I think Blackie was trying to tell me why there is bird flu now. It's because factory farms abuse the chickens in their care and the chickens can't take it anymore.Also there is a spiritual reason.
I have had a habit of caring for injured birds and loving the birds and animals I meet.I thank the spirits of the animals that inhabited the bodies of whatever meat I am eating comes from,and I give them my appreciation.I offer them comfort if they show me images of their life and try to relate. I apologize for their suffering and tell the animal spirits that what is being done to them by factory farms is wrong...It seems they need to hear that acknowledgment,even if you cannot stop the'machine'they seem comforted to know not all humans are in denial..
I am very disgusted by corporate farms.And I am even more disgusted because of what animals have shown me. But I also realize if you are poor you don't have alot of options,the animals understand this when I tell them.The chickens seem to understand that too.But also they are saying they are being abused and they want every human to realize that and admit it is wrong. And so they are pushing back in their own way for a solution to their own suffering. This is why there is a bird flu. It is a cry for justice.So if we will not stop corporate abuse of chickens or at least acknowledge that abuse of animals by corporations is wrong,than the chickens will use their powers to hurt us until we stop abusing them.This is what it has come to.
This is the gist of the messages I have gotten from Blackie about Bird flu.
He also asks for our appreciation & blessings for all chickens,and whatever other meat we eat and asks us for help for all animals mistreated by for profit corporations that think living beings are just products to use and abuse..
I saw Blackie again in a dream ,a few days ago,he asked me to tell people about the dreams. To tell them why and to warn them.
Blackie himself is torn up inside.. He knows people can be kind, he was giving me memories of snuggling with me, from a chickens perspective and it choked me up.And after that he showed me some asshole on a factory farm assembly line dumping a chicken that was not dead yet into a scalding tank,I saw this incident from that chickens point of view and it was horrific. I felt so sad after the fear wore off..
Blackie was saying he was confused about humans. He wants people to understand chickens have spirits too and they feel and they are not stupid. He told me the spirits of chickens at factory farms are in anguish they are confused and they linger around the Earth because they don't know what to do.They are angry and traumatized and they are causing problems because nobody cares about their spirits as if they don't have spirits. So they are stuck in a kind of limbo.
I think the Chickens are asking us to help them somehow,even if it is simple acknowledgment of the abuses that go on are wrong while we eat chicken and to help their spirits to go home..
In the most recent dream,Blackie showed me Maryland,he took me to Montgomery County ,He took me to Delaware too, somewhere on the eastern shore,and showed me in pictures that Bird Flu will be here this summer from the looks of the trees it looked like june or july..
So I'm putting this up here.For Blackie.
We need to help the chicken spirits go home.We need to help the chickens suffering here if we can.If we want to avoid being hit hard by the Bird Flu.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=245x19381
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Oh my sweet heavens, I did miss that one bijou. I am staring in the same kind of morbid interest one stares at a freeway pile up. Woah! :mental: :mental:
I may have to integrate a quote from that in the sigline...too many good ones though. :-)
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Oh my sweet heavens, I did miss that one bijou. I am staring in the same kind of morbid interest one stares at a freeway pile up. Woah! :mental: :mental:
I may have to integrate a quote from that in the sigline...too many good ones though. :-)
UP really outdid herself with that one.
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It would seem many or most of DUmmies believe in supernatural gobbilty gook and mysticism of one kind or another yet cast it in the light of Christianity and they get all offended.
Perhaps it is because that associates those things with a moral code and standards of responsibility.
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Oh my sweet heavens, I did miss that one bijou. I am staring in the same kind of morbid interest one stares at a freeway pile up. Woah! :mental: :mental:
I may have to integrate a quote from that in the sigline...too many good ones though. :-)
UP really outdid herself with that one.
And if I remember correctly that was also the subject of the very first FlippyDoo show.
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Being opposed to higher mathematics, I refuse to believe in angles...
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Oh my sweet heavens, I did miss that one bijou. I am staring in the same kind of morbid interest one stares at a freeway pile up. Woah! :mental: :mental:
I may have to integrate a quote from that in the sigline...too many good ones though. :-)
UP really outdid herself with that one.
And if I remember correctly that was also the subject of the very first FlippyDoo show.
I must have joined the other place after that. Will Flippy do a reprise, given UP's continued . . . or further "maturation" of its' condition?
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Amazing... only 46 percent of the population believe in democrats.
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Being opposed to higher mathematics, I refuse to believe in angles...
You've got the market CORNERED on wordplay :-)
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I must have joined the other place after that. Will Flippy do a reprise, given UP's continued . . . or further "maturation" of its' condition?
A rerun is possible as Flippy backs up everything; however, he's not too good at actually labeling the backups. If I get the chance this week I'll dig through some of CDs and see if it's still around.
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Being opposed to higher mathematics, I refuse to believe in angles...
You've got the market CORNERED on wordplay :-)
Can you rephrase that? I am clearly a bit OBTUSE. I guess I am not that SHARP this evening. I almost had to fly DELTA today.
By the way, I was looking for the user Solis today. I SAW SOLIS earlier, but not lately.
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Hmmmm.....UP is apparently a male cat trapped in a female human body, right? Then how does that jive w ith her loving to tkae care of injured birds, like she stated in the ghost chicken screed? Any cat I know would be batting the injured bird around the yard.
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Being opposed to higher mathematics, I refuse to believe in angles...
You've got the market CORNERED on wordplay :-)
Can you rephrase that? I am clearly a bit OBTUSE. I guess I am not that SHARP this evening. I almost had to fly DELTA today.
By the way, I was looking for the user Solis today. I SAW SOLIS earlier, but not lately.
Now there's an ANGLE I had not thought of. Clearly you have a DEGREE of expertise in this AREA that I can not hope to achieve. It's PLANE to see that we have CONGRUENT ideas on how these puns should be COORDINATEd. :-) :popcorn:
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Being opposed to higher mathematics, I refuse to believe in angles...
You've got the market CORNERED on wordplay :-)
Can you rephrase that? I am clearly a bit OBTUSE. I guess I am not that SHARP this evening. I almost had to fly DELTA today.
By the way, I was looking for the user Solis today. I SAW SOLIS earlier, but not lately.
Now there's an ANGLE I had not thought of. Clearly you have a DEGREE of expertise in this AREA that I can not hope to achieve. It's PLANE to see that we have CONGRUENT ideas on how these puns should be COORDINATEd. :-) :popcorn:
That's A CUTE post there. You just have to give me the high SINE and I'll try to do it RIGHT. I don't want to go off on a TANGENT -- SEE if we CANT stay to the subject at hand. I'll try not to RANGE off our DOMAIN.
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Being opposed to higher mathematics, I refuse to believe in angles...
You've got the market CORNERED on wordplay :-)
Careful...your days are numbered.
:-)
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Being opposed to higher mathematics, I refuse to believe in angles...
You've got the market CORNERED on wordplay :-)
Can you rephrase that? I am clearly a bit OBTUSE. I guess I am not that SHARP this evening. I almost had to fly DELTA today.
By the way, I was looking for the user Solis today. I SAW SOLIS earlier, but not lately.
Now there's an ANGLE I had not thought of. Clearly you have a DEGREE of expertise in this AREA that I can not hope to achieve. It's PLANE to see that we have CONGRUENT ideas on how these puns should be COORDINATEd. :-) :popcorn:
That's A CUTE post there. You just have to give me the high SINE and I'll try to do it RIGHT. I don't want to go off on a TANGENT -- SEE if we CANT stay to the subject at hand. I'll try not to RANGE off our DOMAIN.
Be careful...you might fractal your funny bone. :-)
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It would seem many or most of DUmmies believe in supernatural gobbilty gook and mysticism of one kind or another yet cast it in the light of Christianity and they get all offended.
Perhaps it is because that associates those things with a moral code and standards of responsibility.
One of the best reasons I've heard.
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sleebarker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Sat May-31-08 11:55 AM
Response to Original message
6. That's what happens when people are ignorant
They look for magical explanations of the world.
Have you ever read Carl Sagan's A Candle in the Dark?
Do you mean magical explanations as in spirit guides, woodland fairies, and ghost chickens?
Ghost chickens? I :rotf: so hard I :bawl:!!!!
Surely you didn't miss the whole Blackie episode?
undergroundpanther (1000+ posts) Fri Apr-07-06 11:26 PM
Original message
Ghost chickens and warnings
Advertisements [?]I used to have a pet rooster. He was the coolest bird ever.
I got him as a chick,he was a black cute chirpy puffball.I named him Blackie.Most chicks are yellow but Blackie stood out with his inky feathers.He grew up into a handsome jungle fowl rooster with 6 inch dagger like spurs on his ankles that were used against a bullying dog named chipper,who intimidated and chased my dog Mikey. Chipper never came in the yard after that because he feared Blackie...Blackie was a bit vain about his tail,which was beautiful grand display that had him strutting like a peacock to impress the ladies.I used to tell him he was such a hen heart-breaker with that tail.Anyways I had him for around 7 years.He used to crow in the morning and he was so loud he'd wake me up for school.When I got home,I would snatch the cat, and we would crawl into the coop which held the rabbits and doves and chickens. I played my battery operated radio and pet everyone. My cat Rikki and Blackie would lay together sometimes.I could take this chicken anywhere.He would just perch on me. He came when called,He would fly up and perch on my arm if I asked him to. Sometimes he got so comfy resting in the crook of my arm he'd settle his head into my armpit and fall asleep... and he snored too..
I dunno if people understand how beautiful Chickens are.This is what Blackie looked like.He was a Jungle Fowl like this one..a kind of chicken native to Thiland and Asia. Except his Comb was the "Pea" style comb.
I dream of him once in awhile.Sometimes I see his spirit in a tree in the backyard,or walking around.I even saw him in the hospital along with my cat when I had surgery(pre-op)making sure all was ok.. I see his head bobbing back and forth out of the corner of my eye in the house too.I get messages from him. Here is one I had awhile ago and my thoughts on it.
Before the "Bird Flu" scare hit the news a few years ago I dreamed of Blackie. At first he was walking west into the sun. He walked past pits full of burnt and burning dead chickens. He walked to texas and to a veterinary lab facility there. I followed him. He led me to a bio lab where chickens were being tested or injected with something.I saw an image that looked like raspberries.He led me to factory farms filled to capacity with caged chickens that were traumatized and crazy from stress some were suicidal.. They got sick.I saw a few people getting sick from them.The Chickens were angry and calling justice upon the people handling them in factory farms for mistreating them.Blackie warned me about Bird Flu,before it hit the news.I just didn't know it until after the fact..
It would be interesting to see if Bird Flu is bio-engineered.
Considering it is factory farms that are most guilty of spreading it,and it's small local farmers that treat their birds better who are getting their birds culled by their governments,and wild migratory birds being culled while factory farms are not so scrutinized continue to abuse chickens for profits .Anyways I think Blackie was trying to tell me why there is bird flu now. It's because factory farms abuse the chickens in their care and the chickens can't take it anymore.Also there is a spiritual reason.
I have had a habit of caring for injured birds and loving the birds and animals I meet.I thank the spirits of the animals that inhabited the bodies of whatever meat I am eating comes from,and I give them my appreciation.I offer them comfort if they show me images of their life and try to relate. I apologize for their suffering and tell the animal spirits that what is being done to them by factory farms is wrong...It seems they need to hear that acknowledgment,even if you cannot stop the'machine'they seem comforted to know not all humans are in denial..
I am very disgusted by corporate farms.And I am even more disgusted because of what animals have shown me. But I also realize if you are poor you don't have alot of options,the animals understand this when I tell them.The chickens seem to understand that too.But also they are saying they are being abused and they want every human to realize that and admit it is wrong. And so they are pushing back in their own way for a solution to their own suffering. This is why there is a bird flu. It is a cry for justice.So if we will not stop corporate abuse of chickens or at least acknowledge that abuse of animals by corporations is wrong,than the chickens will use their powers to hurt us until we stop abusing them.This is what it has come to.
This is the gist of the messages I have gotten from Blackie about Bird flu.
He also asks for our appreciation & blessings for all chickens,and whatever other meat we eat and asks us for help for all animals mistreated by for profit corporations that think living beings are just products to use and abuse..
I saw Blackie again in a dream ,a few days ago,he asked me to tell people about the dreams. To tell them why and to warn them.
Blackie himself is torn up inside.. He knows people can be kind, he was giving me memories of snuggling with me, from a chickens perspective and it choked me up.And after that he showed me some ******* on a factory farm assembly line dumping a chicken that was not dead yet into a scalding tank,I saw this incident from that chickens point of view and it was horrific. I felt so sad after the fear wore off..
Blackie was saying he was confused about humans. He wants people to understand chickens have spirits too and they feel and they are not stupid. He told me the spirits of chickens at factory farms are in anguish they are confused and they linger around the Earth because they don't know what to do.They are angry and traumatized and they are causing problems because nobody cares about their spirits as if they don't have spirits. So they are stuck in a kind of limbo.
I think the Chickens are asking us to help them somehow,even if it is simple acknowledgment of the abuses that go on are wrong while we eat chicken and to help their spirits to go home..
In the most recent dream,Blackie showed me Maryland,he took me to Montgomery County ,He took me to Delaware too, somewhere on the eastern shore,and showed me in pictures that Bird Flu will be here this summer from the looks of the trees it looked like june or july..
So I'm putting this up here.For Blackie.
We need to help the chicken spirits go home.We need to help the chickens suffering here if we can.If we want to avoid being hit hard by the Bird Flu.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=245x19381
The digging cat is hilarious, but I have to admit I had pet rooster when I was 5. I lived on a dirt road and wandered all over, generally having a great time. The road island red rooster that I never named always stayed with me. He made a great guard-animal. No dog or snake in northwest Florida had a chance around him.
A couple of drunk dirt-necks shot him in our yard one night.
To put it in perspective a couple of drunk idiots, fired into the yard and in the direction of the house of a law enforcement officer, and they killed livestock. The resultant convictions relieved them of their weapons permanantly.
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I believe in angels. Simply put, the proponderance of the evidence available to me leads me to conclude that the phenomenom that we understand as angels is real. I may not believe one man saying he saw an angel. However when various unconnected reports from people who don't know each other and don't share a background are taken together, eventually the logical conclusion is that there is something to their individual reports.
As to what I believe? All I'll say is that I see a great deal of myself in the Apostle Thomas.