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The Help Desk => Computer Related Discussions & Questions => Topic started by: Emdamascus on November 16, 2012, 06:00:06 PM
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Alright, I'm not a leftist, I can prove it! But I had gotten so sick of Windows I fell in with the Linux crowd. Just wondered whether anyone else used Ubuntu or variant? I am amazed at how fast and well it works on this older laptop. I would never go back to windows.
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I ran Ubunto on the netbook prior to this one when I had a windows issue.
Ran perfectly. No complaints. I'd still be using it if the machine didn't kick the bucket on me.
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Alright, I'm not a leftist, I can prove it! But I had gotten so sick of Windows I fell in with the Linux crowd. Just wondered whether anyone else used Ubuntu or variant? I am amazed at how fast and well it works on this older laptop. I would never go back to windows.
Check out this Linux variant - it's called Zorin
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21kqhP_xXZI&feature=relmfu[/youtube]
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0pKw5vLZ1Q&feature=relmfu[/youtube]
I haven't loaded this yet but I'm going to as soon as I get a chance. I've been tinkering with different Linux distribution since the mid 90s and they've come a LONG way in compatibility with most hardware. I like Ubuntu a lot, and it does offer you the ability to burn it to a CD so you can test drive it before installing it on your hard drive.
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Check out this Linux variant - it's called Zorin
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21kqhP_xXZI&feature=relmfu[/youtube]
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0pKw5vLZ1Q&feature=relmfu[/youtube]
I haven't loaded this yet but I'm going to as soon as I get a chance. I've been tinkering with different Linux distribution since the mid 90s and they've come a LONG way in compatibility with most hardware. I like Ubuntu a lot, and it does offer you the ability to burn it to a CD so you can test drive it before installing it on your hard drive.
Looks pretty cool, I may give it a whirl. Windows folks don't know how nice it is to have an OS that doesn't have to reboot every time they get an update! I have converted many just with a puppy usb stick. plug it in and any computer will work again if the HD will spin!
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Question. I've never built a computer, but have thought about trying to. Would Ubuntu work on a slower cheaper mobo/CPU? I don't want to spend a lot of money for my first try.
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Question. I've never built a computer, but have thought about trying to. Would Ubuntu work on a slower cheaper mobo/CPU? I don't want to spend a lot of money for my first try.
I'm not aware of any minimum required hardware configuration (like there is with Windows) in order to run Ubuntu. Burn a CD that you can boot Ubuntu from and you can see how it behaves with your older hardware. If you're not happy with it, remove the CD and nothing lost.
Check this out: Try Ubuntu before you install it (http://www.ubuntu.com/download/help/try-ubuntu-before-you-install)
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I'm not aware of any minimum required hardware configuration (like there is with Windows) in order to run Ubuntu. Burn a CD that you can boot Ubuntu from and you can see how it behaves with your older hardware. If you're not happy with it, remove the CD and nothing lost.
Check this out: Try Ubuntu before you install it (http://www.ubuntu.com/download/help/try-ubuntu-before-you-install)
Thanks. I saved that so I can check it out later.
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Question. I've never built a computer, but have thought about trying to. Would Ubuntu work on a slower cheaper mobo/CPU? I don't want to spend a lot of money for my first try.
I have used it to re-animate a computer I built about ten years ago, that was so full of malware etc that I finally abandoned it. It was a very state of the art box when I built it, but would be a slow dinosaur by todays standards. It did have a usb port, so I burned a copy of Linux Pup to a thumb drive and booted it right up. It will run great and almost as fast as my wife’s new Windows 7 laptop. No glitches and very easy web connectivity. try pup on a disk or usb stick and you will be surprised. Other flavors of linux are just as good, but built for full installation. The only problem I have had with ubuntu is printer setup, finding drivers is difficult.
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I run Ubuntu 12.04LTS on a notebook and really like it..
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I have used Linux for years, primarily Ubuntu and it's many off shoots. I am not a fan of the Unity desktop manager, nor KDE so I stick with MATE or Cinnamon.
Try Linux Mint, the newest ver is 14 and it is pretty nice.
I am running Zorin 6 in a VM and it appears to work quite well. I'm still tinkering with it and have not decided if I want to keep it.
Try an app called Docky, pretty good and configurable.
I think the minimum requirement of Linux is 512mb ram and about 8 gb free space on your HD.
The Android sw system and Apple OS are all Linux based, which is an offshoot of Unix.
Check Distrowatch.cpm for the latest in distributions.
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Well I got chased off vista for the time being.
The vista install on my laptop was too ganked and I didn't feel like messing with it.
Turns out that the recovery cd was unreadable for some reason.
Anyway, I'm on fedora 17 for now, I may just stick around for a bit
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Oh thats cool!
I was able to mount an external esata ntfs hardrive!
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So, I have been on Fedora Linux for 5 days now.
The only thing I'm missing are the games that only run on windows.
Installing software can be a pain, you have to focus on what your doing but I do lubs the command line. The fact of the matter is that everything that I have downloaded had the commands right there on the download page.
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Still running linux?
You can run windows in a virtual machine within Linux and play your windows based games. You do need a windows OS disk but they are not all that expensive at buycheapsoftware.com Win XP SP2 is $83.
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I have always had some Distro or another installed on a laptop for the past 7 or 8 years. I used to love Mandrake until it changed to much for my liking. I have probably ran Ubuntu the most, although I didn't like their new desktop manager all that well. I have even installed it on my Mac Mini in a dual boot configuration.
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I hate the Unity desktop. Linux mint is based on Ubuntu with the choice of a MATE or Cinnamon desktop. I prefer Cinnamon.
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Be careful installing Ubuntu. I put it 12.04 on my laptop and later decided
to downgrade to 10.04 and it was a real chore.
Canonical makes uninstall easy, but getting rid of the partition to recover your unused space was a really pain.
They should really include a utility to remove the partition in their uninstall tool.
Also there's no way to easily rollback to a prior distro, you have to do a wipe and reinstall.
It won't just let you easily use the previously formatted partition for a replacement OS.
Also I've read it can create problems if you have an existing partition on your HDD for Windows recovery.
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Be careful installing Ubuntu. I put it 12.04 on my laptop and later decided
to downgrade to 10.04 and it was a real chore.
Canonical makes uninstall easy, but getting rid of the partition to recover your unused space was a really pain.
They should really include a utility to remove the partition in their uninstall tool.
Also there's no way to easily rollback to a prior distro, you have to do a wipe and reinstall.
It won't just let you easily use the previously formatted partition for a replacement OS.
Also I've read it can create problems if you have an existing partition on your HDD for Windows recovery.
Edit: Not the OP but SCoastclamdinger
I thinks the OP is full of shit.
I am not aware of a distro that allows an upgrade or a downgrade period!
If you linux freaks disagree, please feel free to chime in cause I would like to hear it..
BTW, I'm running fedora so by freaks I mean none windows people.
I'm just mad that someone would suggest that there is an upgrade path with any linux flavor.
I don't think there is yet, maybe in the future but not yet.
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Edit: Not the OP but SCoastclamdinger
I thinks the OP is full of shit.
I am not aware of a distro that allows an upgrade or a downgrade period!
If you linux freaks disagree, please feel free to chime in cause I would like to hear it..
BTW, I'm running fedora so by freaks I mean none windows people.
I'm just mad that someone would suggest that there is an upgrade path with any linux flavor.
I don't think there is yet, maybe in the future but not yet.
Bro, you are reading into my post things that are not there, and distracting from the main point.
If you want to call BS, call it on your grade school teachers.
Firstly, my criticism of Canonical is legit. They don't make any obvious attempt to warn people about the partition problem, if you change your mind. Canonical is trying to position/market Ubuntu as user friendly for everyone, meaning Linux noobs like myself (not just Linux fanboys like you) and differentiate themselves from other distros in this way. "Shuttleworth said his goal is for Ubuntu to be not just another hobbyist Linux variant, but a serious challenger to the likes of Android, Apple, Chrome, and Windows. " http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/03/07/shuttleworth_ubuntu_leadership/
There's nothing in the Ubuntu uninstall app to resolve the left over partition issue. This problem is antithetical to being user friendly and definitely a pitfall that new users should be aware of. That was the crux of my post.
OK, stay with me here and remember Ubuntu is not supposed to be your father's Oldsmobile. If there is an easy (and I mean easy) way to resolve the partition issue or simply install a different distro in the left over partition (yes I'm saying this should be possible without deference to anything else), then please outline the steps.
Next, my statement "Also there's no way to easily rollback to a prior distro, you have to do a wipe and reinstall." does NOT say or suggest there was an upgrade path (or downgrade path) on any other distro, nor did I make or infer any comparison to other distros allowing for this.......that's your own misinterpretation. What I am saying is people should be certain which version they need if installing Ubuntu for the first time. Otherwise, they will have to deal with additional formatting or reinstall issues. Thus your anger is misguided.
If you have a linux gui that you like then good for you, but please don't try to obfuscate my legitimate warning to folks.
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Be careful installing Ubuntu. I put it 12.04 on my laptop and later decided
to downgrade to 10.04 and it was a real chore.
Canonical makes uninstall easy, but getting rid of the partition to recover your unused space was a really pain.
They should really include a utility to remove the partition in their uninstall tool.
Also there's no way to easily rollback to a prior distro, you have to do a wipe and reinstall.
It won't just let you easily use the previously formatted partition for a replacement OS.
Also I've read it can create problems if you have an existing partition on your HDD for Windows recovery.
I'm not exactly a guru here - and it's been many years since I actually worked in IT but ..
Typically when I "uninstall" an operating system - I'll just delete the partition(s) it resided on. Often using the partitioning software that's part of the install process for the *new* operating system. Perform a full format as part of the install.
As for the existing recovery partitions - just be careful not to nuke them when you set up the partitions for any new operating system.
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A friend of mine managed to install Ubuntu onto his cell phone. Why? Dunno, I suppose to see if he could.
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Been running Ubuntu, kubuntu,Xbuntu and typing on a Lubuntu laptop ATM, sense I discovered them years ago and like the distro for everyday ease of install and use....try to install Gentoo or Linux from scratch in under an hour ....aint happinin. As far as roll back that you describe these distros we not designed to do that...upgrade was designed in....but format re install is the way it really was supposed to be re installed. Now savvy peeps create different home, var,usr, and other folders so when they re install or upgrade it does not effect their docs ect but YMMV. Oh and by the by OP you don't have to be a Marxist to run Linux...just saying.
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I learned a little bit today about a subject I knew nothing about.
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I learned a little bit today about a subject I knew nothing about.
That's why I joined the cave...to learn things from like minded peeps. I get stuck in my own hobbies and work sometimes and forget there is allot of other stuff out there to learn.
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Been running Ubuntu, kubuntu,Xbuntu and typing on a Lubuntu laptop ATM, sense I discovered them years ago and like the distro for everyday ease of install and use....try to install Gentoo or Linux from scratch in under an hour ....aint happinin. As far as roll back that you describe these distros we not designed to do that...upgrade was designed in....but format re install is the way it really was supposed to be re installed. Now savvy peeps create different home, var,usr, and other folders so when they re install or upgrade it does not effect their docs ect but YMMV. Oh and by the by OP you don't have to be a Marxist to run Linux...just saying.
I've been running Fedora for a bit and am starting to get comfortable with it, have you had a chance to compare it Ubuntu?
I've heard alot of good things about Ubuntu but not anything that sets it apart from Fedora.
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I've been running Fedora for a bit and am starting to get comfortable with it, have you had a chance to compare it Ubuntu?
I've heard alot of good things about Ubuntu but not anything that sets it apart from Fedora.
Well I have not used fedora, but I did use red hat years ago and have a little experience with red hat enterprise. From what I understand fedora follows the old red hat ideology so I would say if you like fedora keep using it. Most basic commands will cross over to most distros so you will really not be learning something you cant use anywhere else...now you have distro specific commands like emerge for Gentoos portage system and such but nothing you cant pick up with the use of the man pages. You could also try out some of the live cd's. They are pretty good these days at giving you a glimpse of how the distro will work on your system. If there is anything I can help with just ask.
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I think I might have found a good reason to switch to Ubuntu.
Steam
Thanks Colonel Carrots!
:rofl:
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Well I installed Ubuntu 13.04 and I am totally underwhelmed.
The deal breaker for me was that there was not an ability to multitask, at least I couldn't find it.
Also, what happened to terminal?
I think for the time being I'll go back to Fedora 19.
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Well I installed Ubuntu 13.04 and I am totally underwhelmed.
The deal breaker for me was that there was not an ability to multitask, at least I couldn't find it.
Also, what happened to terminal?
I think for the time being I'll go back to Fedora 19.
Well Haven't used that numbered version of Ubuntu but I am not sure what you mean there isn't a way to multitask...you can burn cd's and search the web and use terminal all at the same time. I was sold on Linux about red hat 4ish time where you could play quake and burn an audio cd at the same time....cant do that with windoze and have a decent sounding audio disk. Anyway the terminal should be located in accessories that is where it usually is. There are about 4 spots on most Ubuntu variant distros to find the terminal. If you want it in the panel or "taskbar" just add it through the "add remove panel items". I am not trying to sell you on Ubuntu but if you haven't uninstalled take a good look around there is much to see and adding programs is easier to deal with than the RPM manager. But if you want a real challenge install Gentoo (I love Gentoo...but it chooses who it likes) or Slackware (mostly for servers all old school commands to get things done). There is a world of distros out there my friend. I would like your feedback on fedora tho...always open to other things.
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Well I installed Ubuntu 13.04 and I am totally underwhelmed.
The deal breaker for me was that there was not an ability to multitask, at least I couldn't find it.
Also, what happened to terminal?
I think for the time being I'll go back to Fedora 19.
I can't stand their whole Unity crap. I can barley navigate the crap and this is what I do for a living. It's like Windows 8 IMO. They tried to get of something that works well for something flashy and it sucks.
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I can't stand their whole Unity crap. I can barley navigate the crap and this is what I do for a living. It's like Windows 8 IMO. They tried to get of something that works well for something flashy and it sucks.
Hmm will have to check out the new Ubuntu....I am using a Lubuntu laptop now....lxde is much different than Ubuntu very simple. My last laptop had Kubuntu, again different than gnome. If they are chasing the Redmond tail it will be a total failure IMHO.
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(http://distrowatch.com/images/cgfjoewdlbc/ubuntu.png)
This is the Ubuntu I don't like. I think the new desktop is called Unity or something, I can't stand it.
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The pic you posted didn't come out but I went to the website and I see what you mean. I don't like that either. Well there are a lot of other distros out there and there is also the different window managers ...lxde, enlightenment, xfce the list goes on.
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Alright, I'm not a leftist, I can prove it! But I had gotten so sick of Windows I fell in with the Linux crowd. Just wondered whether anyone else used Ubuntu or variant? I am amazed at how fast and well it works on this older laptop. I would never go back to windows.
I've been running Linux for years. I run Mint 17 currently.
Nice when it just works, and don't have to worry about viruses, right :-)
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Question. I've never built a computer, but have thought about trying to. Would Ubuntu work on a slower cheaper mobo/CPU? I don't want to spend a lot of money for my first try.
Try Xubuntu, which is a stripped down Ubuntu.
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I hate the Unity desktop. Linux mint is based on Ubuntu with the choice of a MATE or Cinnamon desktop. I prefer Cinnamon.
Same here, big time.
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Edit: Not the OP but SCoastclamdinger
I thinks the OP is full of shit.
I am not aware of a distro that allows an upgrade or a downgrade period!
If you linux freaks disagree, please feel free to chime in cause I would like to hear it..
BTW, I'm running fedora so by freaks I mean none windows people.
I'm just mad that someone would suggest that there is an upgrade path with any linux flavor.
I don't think there is yet, maybe in the future but not yet.
Of course you can upgrade. It pops up in my upgrade notification.